Calling it now: This will be positively reappraised in due time, much like Raimi's Spider-Man 3.
Calling it now: This will be positively reappraised in due time, much like Raimi's Spider-Man 3.
Calling it now: This will be positively reappraised in due time, much like Raimi's Spider-Man 3.
i think its gonna depend on what they do next with Strange or Wanda
though some scenes like Zombie Strange is gnarly as frick so i hope we'll look more favourably on that over time
lol no this movie didn't have nearly as much meme material as SM3
It's one of the only good MCU movies, I thought people liked it
nah its one of the lesser ones
so did i ? the strange and cap america movies are the ones i have highest praise for and i thought most here did too
Spider-Man 3 is still memed on with all of its obvious flaws still pointed out. It's still better than the Amazing movies but that's a low bar.
TASM1 is better.
No it won't. Raimi said himself this movie was just a job and doesn't consider it one of his movies.
why did he come in and change so much of it and turn it into Raimishit then?
>change so much of it
such as?
His use of trademarks were the only good things about the movie, if he had full reign and none of Disney's creative restraints it would've been a fantastic movie. But in the end his name was just advertising, the strongest faults of the MCU.
It would've been a fantastic movie if it was a classic Doctor Strange story and not "we need to adapt Disassembled because we have a weird hard-on for shitty 2000s stories and America Chavez, hurr durr"
This is less Raimi than For The Love Of The Game.
Nah. Wanda really fricked this movie hard. I do think however in time people will come to appreciate the depiction of America Chavez. Only time the character has ever been tolerable.
frick no she was the worst character on this movie if thats how she is "tolerable" then Jesus her comic version must be bad
Not unlike Gwenpool, America seems to be entirely different people depending on who's writing her. Frankly, they'd do well like with Iman just letting the actress effectively "make" the character and go from there. Xochitl's a lot more charismatic irl than she was written to be in the movie, but being 14 or however old she was when they filmed it likely explains as much.
yep sounds horrible and i really hated the movie version
There was about 13 good minutes, where you felt the actual hand of Sam Raimi come through. The rest was anonymous assembly line slop.
it was the complete opposite Feige needed to reign Raimi the frick in again. A standard MCU flick with Raimi flair would have been kino
This is the worst idea possible. Please stay away from Hollywood
Nobody will think about it at all
>This will be positively reappraised in due time, much like Raimi's Spider-Man 3.
It won't because, unlike Spider-Man 3, you have to watch a dozen other movies AND a tv series to understand what's happening.
>Calling it now: This will be positively reappraised in due time, much like Raimi's Spider-Man 3.
When did that happen? I always liked Spider-Man 3 but people still seem to hate it.
How MoM is regarded will likely depend on whether the MCU pulls itself out of the downward spiral it's been on for the last 2 years. If it makes a full recovery, this will just be seen as being another one of the movies in an MCU phase that sucked.
If the MCU never recovers, this movie and Love & Thunder may end up being seen as the franchise's equivalent of The Last Jedi, movies that made money but people didn't like them, and didn't like them so much that it hurt the performance of later movies because people started checking out entirely.
If the MCU doesn't die but just keeps on getting progressively worse, it might be reassessed as not seeming so bad in comparison.
Ultimately the people who praise it because it's Raimi are always going to praise it, the people who are seething about the Illuminati are never going to stop seething and the people seething over what it did to Wanda are never going to stop seething. Even if Secret Wars is just 3 hours of memberberries cameos for you to clap at and even if there's a Wanda redemption story, this movie's still going to be a sore point.
is also right that this was one of the first MCU movies you had to do 'homework' for, audiences and reviewers all seem to hate this aspect of the modern MCU.
>one of the first MCU movies you had to do 'homework'
That's not the actual issue. The actual issue is that if you do your "homework" then MoM feels completely disconnected from it to the point of you wasting your time but if you don't do your "homework" a major amount of context is missing and Wanda's motivations are glossed over. It's a sequel that feels like it's written by someone whose only experience with what came before is browsing the Wikipedia summary.
I haven't seen a single MCU tie-in series, I've also not really watched much of the post-End Game movies, just the Spider-Man and Guardians ones. I didn't really have any problem following the plot of Multiverse of Madness. The plot just wasn't very good or engaging.
Were there some things I didn't get? Yeah, like why Wanda was a villain now, but I sort of filled in the gaps enough to make sense of it, at least enough to realize I didn't care about any of it.
It's so weird how the multiverse concept simultaneously expands the setting while also making everything feel banal and unimportant. I got the feeling they were trying to impress me with the "epic scope" but I really just felt it made the struggle back on "our" earth irrelevant in the larger scheme of things.
>The plot just wasn't very good or engaging.
Yes, that's because in order to get why the plot is put together the way it is, you first have to watch movies and a tv show that (by your own admission) you hadn't watched.
>To this day I have still not seen the first DS movie and only know him from IW
See above.
No you absolutely do not. To this day I have still not seen the first DS movie and only know him from IW and I was able to follow the plot of MoM
I really liked that one, Strange's arc was neat
Spider-man 3 is still shit.
It's absolute shit editing and pacing wise and no amount of retrospection will change that
People bring up Spidey 3 because whole bad it's bad in a way that's kind of funny. MoM is just crap and on top of that it was boring crap.
This reads like the people who think the Sequels are going to be reappraised.
The prequels were. The sequels will be too.
The prequels had the benefit of kids liking them and all sorts of popular extended media around them. The sequels never captured the kid market nor have they had the same extended media that is popular. The most shocking thing about Disney is how they nearly managed to somewhat bring it back after the disaster of the sequels with The Mandalorian however, Disney then utterly damaged that good will as the seasons went by and eventually killed it with BOBF and Kenobi. It's also worth remembering that Force Awakens is nearly 10 years old, and if anything people have soured on that rather than praise it.
The prequels always had a generational divide between kids who grew up with them and adults who grew up with the original trilogy, and all the toys, games and cartoons meant those kids are going to grow up with nostalgia for the prequels in a way that's less likely to happen with the sequels, who haven't had anything like the sheer amount of product laser-focused on capturing a new generation of kids the way the prequels did.
The Reylo shippers and the defenders of TLJ will continue to praise the sequels, but they've failed at creating a new generation of Star Wars fans the way the prequels and the Special Editions had both done. If they'd managed that, it wouldn't matter so much in the long run if fans of the earlier phases of Star Wars didn't care for them.
no they won't they were boring as frick with zero meme potential
They'll be reappraised as even worse.
The messages and themes of the prequels about the fall of democracy and how all great powers collapse from within is just as relevant today as it was when they were first made.
What were the profound messages in the sequels? Don't try to kill your family in their sleep? Use nostalgia in place of a good story? Recycle characters and plot points when you can't think of anything original?
There's no meat to the trilogy.
Any messages of that sort from the prequels is undercut by the villain being a literal evil wizard who effortlessly controls both sides of a massive war without anyone noticing.
It's funny that the the best received stuff from the Sequel era is Rogue One and Andor. Solo is underrated. It's not amazing or anything and it commits a cardinal sin of prequels by trying to generate tension by putting characters we know will survive in danger, but it's a perfectly fine adventure film.
>undercut by the villain controlling both sides
Anon, it's the most realistic part.
>What were the profound messages in the sequels?
It's a meta story and message.
Imagine a female Anakin, who keeps getting told she's super special because she's female n' shit or whatever, then eventually goes over the edge like "REEEEEE IT'S MY TURN GIVE ME EVERYTHING I DESERVE IT" and, much like real Anakin, ends up b***hslapped, but by the box office. And in the end, instead of turning into fricking Darth Vader, just stays there, b***hing "I DIDN'T LOSE! YOU LOST! HUEHUEHUE"
Even if the quality were the exact same, the ST could have at least been memorable if Rey took up Kylo's offer to join him in TLJ.
>Even if the quality were the exact same
Anon... that was never gonna happen.
Mandalorian probably was decent enough because all the wrong people in charge were looking the other way, thinking "this isn't gonna be important anyway".
The prequels at their worst just spoiled a little bit of magic and were an overwritten kind of dullness. At no point in the prequels did they go in and have ll our heroes get revealed to be gigantic losers.
The prequels were mostly bad films, but the world they were set in was great and laid fertile ground for a lot of (much better) spin-off media.
The sequels don't have a great world, because it's just a lazy, poorly thought-out, generally inferior redo of the OT's setting, and there's been little to no extra material even trying to expand on it because there's nothing to work with.
not unless they make more movies about the sequels
I wasn't aware that time had somehow become kind to SM3.
Because it stinks and I don't think anyone actually likes it except a handful of raimi devotees clinging to nostalgia out of rage at quips or whatever .
You are incorrect. OP, the entire MCU will be just shat on because of all the crap produced in the last six years. There will be people that argue online that the MCU was alright until they did Endgame, and that it was the last gasp of a dying brand.
Spider-Man 3, while bad, has its moments. Some cool fight scenes here and there, Sandman's transformation, Peter's dialogue with Aunt May about killing Sandman. While I I wish it was bulkier, I kind of like Venom's design. Sue me, I like when Venom has similar to Spider-Man suit webbing pattern.
DS2 is just shit and is based on SHIT (Bendis) and the supposed "horror" parts are bad and not in a usual campy way.
>Raimi's Spider-Man 3
it's still bad
I don't think so. Strange possessing the corpse of his alt self he left buried on his world is smart and cool but it is hugely undercut by him just using it to give Chavez a pep talk instead of overpowering or outwitting the SW himself. Terrible idea for your climax.
Delusional
God, I hate Star Wars Black folk.
Always making any discussion about themselves and their franchise.
Still better than marvelshit.
It's all the exact same goyslop for adolescent morons, get off your high horse, Star troony.
How about no. Marvel is one of the reasons the quality of Star Wars, and cinema in general, has tanked because everyone tried copying Marvel's novel formula. A decade worth of franchises ruined because of capeshit.
How about yes. It's all simplistic low-IQ garbage for toddlers and always has been.
Frick off with your nostalgia goggles. "Quality of Star Wars", hearing adults say such things is the most embarrassing thing in the world.
You're getting awfully defensive just because I called Marvel shit, which it objectively is. Tell us, anon, what do you consider to be high art?
No one's "defensive" of anything, moron. It's just hilarious to watch morons who enjoyed Marvelslop of their time act all high and mighty of similarly terrible slop.
>i-i'm not defensive
>he said, after replying multiple times with infantile buzzwords
Still waiting to hear what you consider to be good movies.
>infantile buzzwords
Slop for dumb kids deserves nothing less.
The House That Jack Built >>>>>> all the worthless action crap for braindead cattle masses, and it's not even all that good.
You ain't smarter than anyone else here, friend. I can promise you that.
Smarter than morons who eat up slop for prepubescents, troony. I can promise you that.
Show us your report card.
It's between your cheeks, go and check it.
I see a D. Not a good start.
just like you are when star wars gets called shit
>i know you are but what am i
Really?
Oh and
>and cinema in general
not my fault all you do is consume goyslop. "Muh elevated horror" craze of 2010s did a lot more damage to shit I personally watch than any moronic action slop for kids ever did.
I only care about Elizabeth Olsen so I am biased towards this movie.
Based and Lizziepilled
But she was massively screwed over by this movie
Not really. SHE ruined Dr Strange's movie. She also ruined Black Bolt for millions.
i think the tv show he was in(humans) already did that.
Last I checked, she wasn't in charge of the writing or Scarlet Witch's character arc. Blame Feige and Michael Waldron, if anyone
It's one of the worst big budget Hollywood movies of all time.
>This will be positively reappraised
But it doesn't need to. I liked it when it came out and still do.
You know what?
Ridley Scott's heart was in the right place with Prometheus and wanting an actual mature space-based sci-fi. It would've honestly been a welcome after all the kiddy shite.
It's too bad the execution was lacking.
My first thought walking from the theaters after seeing the movie was "well this isn't for me anymore".
>positively reappraised in due time, much like
WE
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Wandagays' autistic obsession and utter failure in trying to meme both this scene and Wanda's speech about wanting America's power never ceases to amuse me.
>much like Raimi's Spider-Man 3
The last minutes rewrites almost ruin it
>almost