On The Sopranos:
>I loathe The Sopranos!
>The reason being for not only that it portrays Italian-Americans as buffoons but the way it portrays working class life. I think The Sopranos is wildly out of date. It actually has to do with a 1960s style of Jersey and not a 1980s, 1990s. I teach in Philadelphia now and there is a style that working-class people have, of self-expression, and I feel it is caricatured in that show. I feel that show is a favorite of upper-middle-class viewers who almost think that they are getting a anthropological view of something that doesn't even exist anymore!
>It's more of a cartoon, a cartoon vision. I haven't gotten through a whole program, I try and watch it and I become furious. But I know many people who are fans of the show and my take shouldn't influence anyone else.
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On Revenge of The Sith:
>How tepid contemporary art seemed compared to the passionate quality of the finale with this huge musical score that was recorded at the Abbey Road studio in London, it's like this black mass, and you're getting this tremendous duel that's like dance theatre, the longest duel ever filmed.
>There's no computer speeding up, these actors, Hayden Christensen and Ewan McGregor did that for months, learning the swordplay, it is phenomenal! It is dance, this is contemporary dance
>And you get this passionate emotion, this love and hate between these two men, the whole thing is like a Puccini opera, and you have this like Romantic nature painting, this apocalyptic landscape of the lava, and Lucas then crosscuts with the Sentate chamber being destroyed on the planet of Coruscant, so you get the theme of Politics being destroyed at the same moment as you have the destruction of Industry going on, because as you have these two guys wrestling around, they throw off the whole control panels, and the whole industrial complex of Mustafar starts degenerating.
armond white she is not, but they are good remarks
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but she’s definitely giving him a reason not to get complacent
based
based pedo enabling atheistic leftist dyke
>there’s no computer speeding up these actors
You think you need a computer to move a stick that fast? How fat are you?
They actually had to slow down the footage of Ewan and Hayden in post because they were going too fast kek.
She's right. Sopranos is that shit that the TV studio just loves to milk but you know could have been resolved in 4 or 5 seasons. It was an era in which HBO was struggling to get viewers when they were competing with Pay Per View, Cinemax, Showtime, and cable TV viewers.
Revenge of the Sith is undoubtedly one of the greatest sci-fi operas and a great finale and start to the series.
Based as frick. My opinion is Star Wars is a greek tragedy.
Entirely right about the Sopranos
Entirely wrong about Star Wars.
get the frick Outta here. On this board the Sopranos is kino of the highest order end of story!
Tony as a character, yes.
The show in general, eh. It has highs and lows.
Tony as a character, no he's a shitty anti hero, borderline moron.
The show in general, yes.
Frick off, The Sopranos is a dumb & dated show. It has not aged well. And you're a fricking ass hat to think it's Kino. It's sensationalistic shlock passed off as being something greater than it is. You think it's more intelligent than it actually is, some kind of masterpiece which it is not. There's a word I can't quite think of it for people like you, a word for someone trying to seem/be deep and intelligent, but really your kind are shallow, and not at all being insightful. Pedant is about rules, so that is disqualified, the closest I could find is pseudointellectual, but that feels like cheating and clumsy as it is a simple compound word. It's not common, but sciolist seems to have the required definition.
"One who exhibits only superficial knowledge; a self-proclaimed expert with little real understanding." I prefer this to sophist, which I think has a suggestion of deceit rather than just ignorance or error. But even that feels phony, a word you just wouldn't use that often so let's just go with the screen grab I have, You're a smart aleck when it comes to TV/film If you think the Sopranos is at all KINO.
You could’ve just called him pretentious anon
>And then after thirty years you get the revelation of how did Darth Vader get born, who is Darth Vader, how did he end up as a robot man? We see handsome Hayden Christensen as Anakin Skywalker, he loses his legs and his arm and he catches fire from the volcano and incinerates and all these horrors, and then finally his broken body is taken and these surgical droids are putting him together like a Frankenstein's monster, cross-cutting with Natalie Portman dying in childbirth
>And after all these horrors, there's an unbelievable control of tone. Luke and Leia are separated because no one can know they exist. They're taken to different planets, and one is Space Switzerland, and it actually is footage of Switzerland, with like mountains and valleys, and the other is a desert planet, Tatooine with it's twin suns.
>And you get this amazing thing. Strong man arriving with baby. Baby handed off to other strong man. Strong man sitting with wife against great landscape. Lucas himself after his divorce retired for two years to raise his adopted children so it's an incredible personal reference there. First of all that's extremely progressive, you know, to end with the tenderness of men towards babies, not just children but babies. It's absolutely gorgeous.
>Nothing in the last 30 years in the arts that has been produced has been as emotionally compelling and significant as the finale of Revenge of The Sith.
>Nothing in the last 30 years in the arts that has been produced has been as emotionally compelling and significant as the finale of Revenge of The Sith.
topkek
not one serious adult gives a shit about your video games or animes you think are good
not one serious adult gives a shit about star wars either
>Nothing in the last 30 years in the arts that has been produced has been as emotionally compelling and significant as the finale of Revenge of The Sith.
A bit over the top but based. RoTS is the only good Star Wars movie.
>to end with the tenderness of men towards babies, not just children but babies. It's absolutely gorgeous.
God I wish we still had feminists like these, women who appreciated men instead of man-hating, baby-killing prostitutes.
i dont care for paglia but she deserves some credit for being the original "edgy anti-woke post-feminist" now that hundreds of women are picking up that gimmick
not surprised she predicted prequel defenders too
her whole work is like that, its sometimes based sometimes cringe. theres some book where she complains that women can only pee downward instead of marking their territory kek
She seems more interested in the level of drama depicted than the actual quality of the thing. But her criticism of the sopranos is interesting, but I think most working class people would find Tony Soprano admirable in a lot of ways.
>Nothing in the last 30 years in the arts that has been produced has been as emotionally compelling and significant as the finale of Revenge of The Sith.
Based
idk who this woman is but she seems like a moron
You should watch her discussion with Jordan Peterson. Its wild.
>you should watch [literally who] talk to [literally who]
what the frick is wrong with you
>literally who says [who gives a shit]
great thread
she's one of the most known feminists and probably one of the few ones who isn't a batshit insane man hater
tho she's second wave so that maybe explains it
So she isn't as contaminated with the Yiddish mind virus as most modern women. Who gives a shit
shut the frick up camille you dyke b***h
are you stupid? dworkin and mackinnon were peak second wave and paglia despises everything they stood for.
The only feminists I trust are manhaters.
I know where they stand and what their views are.
The ones that are 'not like other feminists' are not to be trusted. They're shifty. Looking for support outside of their own communities. Not good.
>lesbo dyke
>mafioso drama is just romanticizing racist misogynistic dinosaurs! Go extinct already!
>manchild space opera for nerds is actually just closeted homosexuality! Call your parents and come out of the closet already!
A walking talking stereotype. Women are just jealous because they are boring.
weak b8
>Women are just jealous because they are boring.
Ironically that is literally something Camille Paglia would say herself. Someone asked her what she learned when she dyked out. She said she learned women are completely fricking insufferable.
Sopranos is way too real this is why mentally detached people seethe at it.
Sopranos is reddit. Nobody on this board is ready to admit it yet, but shit's pretty banal and surface-level. But I guess delighting in the clowning Sicilians pointing their fingers and going "ayyyy" is something we can all share with every Chapo listener in every state university in America.
Cringe.
A-badda-boom! Haha.
You know I actually intuitively knew you were unhinged must be the years of chan.
Go watch Paulie Walnuts poke his fingers at somebody, you drooling HBO baboon.
A word to da wise... Remember The Ginyu Force!
Haha le pointy man. Summer.
>calls out people for memeing on Cinemaphile
get yourself checked for autism if you haven't already
memes used to be creative, that shit it hacky and boring.
>complaining about autism on Cinemaphile
Your average Subredditpranos fan.
How dare she call paulie a cartoon caricature.
watch it!
Which of the 2 works is going to stand the test of time, the mythic archetypal one showing greater truths about us as people or the one that shits on humanity every chance it gets and leaves you feeling empty?
Ywnbaw.
Perfect bait
WATCH YA MOUTH c**t!
OOH!
Camille Paglia is the greatest living public intellectual. More learned and insightful than all shitty professors currently wasting students' time in Berkeley and similar places.
Her short book on The Birds is amazing.
>greatest living public intellectual
its like being the best fricking gay moron
No it isn't because she's the real deal: well-read, insightful, bold and unencumbered by cronyism, ideology etc
Who is this chick? Bada Bing Beauvior?
No though she admires Simone de Beauvoir. Read some of her essays (try Sex, Art and American Culture). Her magnum opus is Sexual Personae.
>read
Get the frick out.
Without reading properly, you'll never fully enjoy movies. Greek mythology, fables, Shakespeare are the minimum requirements because that's how you fully appreciate emotions, acknowledge tropes, connect symbolic dots etc
>Without reading properly, you'll never fully enjoy movies.
>turns off captions
lol. lmao.
>turns off captions
No idea what you mean but one thing seems clear: you gotta read more.
You're right maybe start with Billy Budd.
Billy Budd's great but already far down the road. The core of literature is more important to understand movies. Greek Myths and King Lear for instance provide a better assessment of The Sopranos
The sacred and the propane
The Playboy Interview is a lazy shortcut. Prepare to have your mind blown if you were making lazy assumptions about her.
https://www.davidsheff.com/camille-paglia
camille paglia is a pedophile apologist freak.
She looks like what would happen if Roman Polanski had a sex change operation. Very disgusting!
No she's not, she's a learned scholar who realistically talks about mankind as it is, not as semi-literate midwits hypocritically try to describe (while criminally indoctrinating children w gay propaganda)
>my take shouldn't influence anyone else.
I'm thinking based, why can't more intellectuals be like this?
It shouldn't have to be stated out loud.
It should’t but if she didn’t state it out loud you would have a bunch of chuds whining about feminists, israelites and cultural marxists. You have to engage with them as if you would a mentally challenged person.
What she said has nothing to do with feminism, israelites or cultural marxism. Those "chuds" seem to be living rent free in your head.
if the shoe fits...
Sneed
That woman is a moron
>I teach in Philadelphia now and there is a style that working-class people have, of self-expression, and I feel it is caricatured in that show. I feel that show is a favorite of upper-middle-class viewers who almost think that they are getting a anthropological view of something that doesn't even exist anymore!
moronic b***h. Fricking Camden and Philly is NOTHING like Newark and New York. Only thing in common is they should be nuked. She probably goes to Sheetz instead of Wawa- even during hoagiefest.
>Paglia was born in Endicott, New York, the eldest child[4] of Pasquale and Lydia Anne (née Colapietro) Paglia. All four of her grandparents were born in Italy. Her mother emigrated to the United States at five years old from Ceccano, in the province of Frosinone, Lazio, Italy.[2][5] Paglia has stated that her father's side of the family was from the Campanian towns of Avellino, Benevento, and Caserta.[6] Paglia was raised Roman Catholic,[7] and attended primary school in rural Oxford, New York, where her family lived in a working farmhouse.[8] Her father, a veteran of World War II,[9] taught at the Oxford Academy high school and exposed his young daughter to art through books he brought home about French art history. In 1957, her family moved to Syracuse, New York, so that her father could begin graduate school; he eventually became a professor of Romance languages at Le Moyne College.
>rich spoiled brat who grew up in cowtown New York
>somehow knows anything about what working class in north jersey are like
a know it all, self hating second generation gunea wop dyke. from upstate ny.
jesus christ, she just won the cover all game.
>berates sopranos solely on aesthetic, not on the intricacy of the human interactions
>lauds star wars on aesthetic and the symbolism of the human interactions
filtered beyond redditly markers
She literally criticized Sopranos based on the human interactions being cartoonish
Yes. There lies the filtering.
Literally anyone who knows anything about the Mafia alone will tell you the show is cartoonish, let alone the regular characters. Hell, we have ex-members saying the show is unrealistic but the gays on this board will defend "muh character study"
You mean in the way that Star Wars is realistic?
Archetypes, much like stereotypes, didn't arise from out of nowhere. These things have and will exist in the human world until we die out.
And when socializing with sociopaths, you’ve never noticed that they leave an impression of a charicature? There aren’t any shadow sides of archetypes presented in the sopranos? How about both? The duality of man?
Star Wars isn't presenting itself as something it's not
Who is the virgin counterpart? Filoni?
Star Trek boy
ummm based??
she out armond'd armond white
Kinomille Paglia
100% right, also i love the Sopranos because it's a cartoon because I love cartoons and Simpsons have sucked for like two decades now
who?
>Italian-Americans as buffoons but the way it portrays working class life.
I hate this dumb frick like you wouldn't believe
This c**t deserves to be shot for her contributions to the feminist movement.
Feminists hate her because she highlights the power and creativity of men. She wants women to be free from shackles, including the ones impose by extremist feminism.
she's the girl version of zizek: a bloated fricking moron touted by pseuds like you
>petersongays are still upset
>women opinions
Who cares about this degenarate boomer has to say, reminder she is an avid supporter of pedophilia
No she isn't, stop lying midwit. Exterme transgenderism apologists otoh
nice try israelite
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ty3iP8-YooY
Shit take, half-truths and other midwit overcompensation/ youtube view attempts. Know yourself, stop projecting
She went on the record saying she doesn't believe that and children need to be protected
who b***h dis is
Why has Paglia been getting more popular?
she dabs on all the right people
post the video next time
I live in new jersey and honestly the sopranos is how people act and talk, just slightly exaggerated. Carmella and Lidia are extremely similar to my mother, and Paulie is a mildly exaggerated version of middle aged guys around here who are really jersey in how they act. I don't get where she's coming from tbh, people love it here because its hilariously accurate to the people here and is laughing with us and not at us.
She's not entirely wrong. sopranos family was based on the Genovese crew in the 60's 70s in new jersey.
But she misses that a huge theme of the show is a declining mob/american life in the early 2000s. It is about people who grew up in the 60s/70s transplanted to now and being outsiders in their own communities. And the bumbling idiot working class caricature is a reflection of that.
Its obvious David chase has a disdain for working class Italians. Just look at saints of Newark.
>I haven't gotten through a whole program
opinion disregarded
AY TONE! that dumb b***h never met a north jersey italian or a mafiosi in her life, if she thinks the sopranos is a cartoonish depiction of italians.
I've never watched the Sopranos except for a few minutes of it but I can tell based on having seen those few minutes that it's trash. So she's right about the Sopranos. She's horribly wrong about RotS though, kek.
OMG someone has a bad opinion about something I like. Oh noes.
Take the last phrase she says in the OP, it's the best part of the whole thing.
>I think The Sopranos is wildly out of date
duh, why do you think none of the characters' timelines make sense
>The reason being for not only that it portrays Italian-Americans as buffoons
I can't stand this shit. The characters are played by Italian-Americans. Those Italian-Americans knew what they were getting into and loved the experience.
People like this, if they're not part of the group they're offended for, are directly implying the actors were too stupid to understand what they signed up for, and if they are part of the group like this bint, are just proving they're uptight cultural gatekeepers who need to shut the frick up and let their people have some fricking laughs at themselves. And if someone not part of the people also laughs? So fricking what, it's got the approval of the people being poked fun at, the jokes are being made so everyone can have a goddamn fricking wienersucking laugh.
>I feel that show is a favorite of upper-middle-class viewers who almost think that they are getting a anthropological view of something that doesn't even exist anymore!
addressed in the Pilot episode
I was told by the experts that the force is female.