Can DC Comics stop shipping Batman with Catwoman?
All Catwoman does is break up with Batman, abandon him, break his heart, cheat on him with many other men and women, and lecture and berate him all the time.
She isn’t interesting. And she isn’t even that sexy anymore with how most artists draw her.
Batman would be better off with anyone else than Catwoman.
Who do you think be Batman’s love interest?
Taila
Justice
Zatanna
Clark
Wonder Woman
Joker
Jessica Cruz. Priest had the right idea.
When does this stuff happen?
His Justice League run in 2017
It was shit
Huh
Considering I had no idea Priest did a stint on JL, I assume that it really must have been poor. What was so bad about it?
It was good, actually
Barbara Gordon
Go away, Bruce Timm.
Bring back Kathy Kane as the love-interest. Like the good ol days.
She's his lesbian cousin.
That’s Kate.
Those days are over.
No, anon, they're literally two different characters. Morrison separated them
Nobody. Batman comes off as completely asexual and unsexy no matter how many times they make him shirtless, give him subtext with Supes, or have him frick his love interests. His personality is just too awful.
Make him a volcel.
Kathy is his aunt.
>Kathy is his aunt.
Dunno if making Kate his cousin was the worst thing the writers ever did. Because it brings a whole lot of fricking questions, like why didn't the Kanes took Bruce in when his parents died.
Supergirl
Diana, as Elseworlds and DCAU has proven right.
Reminder: he's more loyal than Catwoman has ever been. Also never missed a single birthday in over two decades. Kneel.
When is Bruce gonna put a ring on it?
Once DC comics realizes the fujo market and drag/queer market vastly outweigh the dying boomers who screech at the (now at this point, already canon but not overtly embraced) thought that Joker is indeed in love with Batman. It's not reciprocal though. But I'd be happy to see joker more overtly feeling cucked by others stealing attention from Batman.
Amongst other things, yes. It's only a matter of time before comics embrace it. I want Joker in the pride event book no later than 2026. Ideally 2024.
Dawg I NEED to know where this is from
Batman: The Dark Prince Charming #2
The dark prince charming. Joker is simultaneously at his queerest and straightest. Either way, he's getting pegged by Harley while thinking about Batman.
It's also implied Joker might be the true father of the girl Bruce thinks is his daughter.
Yeah. Hence straightest. Too bad there's no sequel ever and that was just a tease for the hell of it. I miss drag!joker like you wouldn't believe. Editorial should've kneeled to Grant Morrison and given us Madonna!Joker
>implied
Bruce knows she's Joker's daughter by the end of the first book. Joker is oblivious though.
>Have sex with man's gf
>She gives birth, so you kill her and the man raises your child
>Now you and man have made and raised baby together, it's basically your daughter together and she's just the surrogate
>You were in love with the man all along
9 billion IQ play from Joker
Genuinely surprised this hasn't happens in main continuity. Joker seems like the type of guy to pull a Damien Wayne, only instead of raising the child as an assassin, he raises the kid as a perfectly healthy child, only for it to turn out Batman is the biological father to frick up with Batman's head. (and probbaly use DNAsplice magic to somehow be Joker's kid too). I like the idea where Joker is unreasonably polite to a handful of people, like Jackanapes and Grundy. The Joker Manga kinda has a similar premise, but alas is mostly gags.
Joker's got a nice ass ngl
Embrace the dark side, anon. It's canon (one sided)
They have midnighter and Apollo (bootleg ver.) let the clown have it
Majority of batfujos want Bruce to be a homewrecker by seducing Clark.
Top dominating Clark is so hot.
Based and canon!
I admire your dedication, but no.
>Once DC comics realizes the fujo market and drag/queer market vastly outweigh the dying boomers who screech at the
If Dc want's to completely bury themselves to the point of no return sure
How would that burn them to the point of no return? How? Out of the 4638748383644826528464827272832 mistakes DC comics have been making and dropping in sales, the clown who says he loves batman sincerely meaning it sounds like the least of worries.
>how would pandering to the almost nonexistent fujo coomer market affect a company?
gee anon, i don't know
>nonexistent
>Levi the best selling merch in Japan solely because of fujos
Single young women are the highest merchandise spender.
I mean, he also admitted wanting to kill Batman and then violate his corpse. That's true love right there.
He also helped Batman fight Batkek twice.
Selena suspiciously MIA for that one. JUCEbros.... We can't stop winning
Zatanna, but unlike
I mean it unironically
also it's literally canon that Batman's deepest desire besides bringing his parents back is marrying Zatanna, so make of that what you will
Childhood friends never win
well maybe sometimes the childhood friend should win sometimes
maybe Bruce should have a happy ending, even if they made it happen just in some Elseworld bullshit, I would like to see it happen...
Cute
>alfred: master Bruce with a gypsy?! on my cold corpse!
>gypsy
but she's Italian
this cringe ship is nearly as bad as bruce/diana
this is utterly cringe
Zatanna is probably the worst possible love interest for Batman there is. Just her being in the same city invalidates everything Batman does. Who gives a shit about this detective crap when there's a literal magic wizard in town who can just magic all the problems away?
Yeah, leave the magical mysteries to my boy Jason Blood. I don't people associating Zatanna being THE magical detective because of hooking up with Bruce.
My boy Jason Blood deserves spotlight for his side of the magical side of crime solving.
Tim Drake.
>The original gay implied relationship (If you don't know the joke, then research the Batman and Robin are gay joke) was Dick ad Bruce
>Tim is now trying to steal that
Damn, Tim really can't stop stealing from Dick.
Catwoman. There is literally no one else.
Joker
catwoman's out because she'll never stop being a criminal
same with talia and she's much more villainous
no one with powers, wonder woman, zatanna, they wouldn't really fit in to each other's stories, and batman would likely take precedence over them
vicki vale is a no because it feels too much like repeating lois
probably best to take someone older/obscure or make someone new but you can guarantee they'd be replaced the moment a new writer took over
>because she'll never stop being a criminal
she already has.
Her whole arc is stopping being a criminal.
Also, vigilantism is a crime. So Batman is a criminal as well. It's been clear from day one he doesn't actually give a frick about Catwoman's crimes, because his time is too important to spend it on a woman stealing multimillion dollar diamonds from (mobbed up) museums in a city where innocent people are getting assaulted every day. So the people coping about Catwoman being a "criminal" like it *actually* matters to Batman have no concept of what Batman actually gives a shit about.
Lois Lane
White Rabbit
Taliasisters, the time is now!
>Taila and Bruce make up and get together
>Damian is finally happy now that his parents are together
One can only hope
>make love interest
>starts off funny and flirty and cool
>slowly make her constantly angry and boring and lame
Why does this always happen?
Writers think it makes for good drama when it is just boring.
Stop reading Batman comics, moron.
They've been together for over 80 years.
You should probably take the hint that this is the relationship.
They haven’t been together for awhile.
Selina left Bruce at the alter.
Then Selina broke up with Bruce again to have sex with multiple partners.
>multiple partners.
No she didn't.
Batman is constantly in Catwoman's book, she literally killed her side piece last year to save him.
A break here or there in the comics changes nothing, it's Bat and Cat forever.
And now Catwoman is leading an army of criminals against Batman and turning his family against him. Not to mention blaming him for her own actions like leaving him at the alter.
What a great love.
>shitting on a character for egregious mischaracterization
now apply this same standard to bruce.
nd Batman will forgive her because even for the rich, chick who are into latex and bdsm are hard to find.
>into latex and bdsm
>who is Talia
>any morally ambiguous anti villainess in Gotham or abroad that can make Bruce go "I can fix her"
Bruce is not tethered to her. That relationship isn't like Peter and MJ.
The fact that she cheated on Bruce shows how unloyal she is and will always be.
>inb4 they were on a break!
Yeah. So was Ross and Rachel. And it was still wrong for Ross.
>cheated
moron
Sorry your bawd of a Waifu is a nympho cheater.
Talia literally has orgies and fricked Jason and Bane lol
And Bruce has slept with numerous women. What's your point?
I don't care what DC says, I still like to think Talia raped Bruce.
Not DC, Morrison.
Do you not see the difference between Bruce sleeping with random broads and his former lover fricking his dead surrogate son and one of his enemies who paralyzed him?
The point was clearly that Bruce hasn't had orgies or had sex with Jason or Bane, and he'd be as bad as Talia if he did.
men and women are different
She’s the dangling carrot. She’s not meant to actually get with him
>All Catwoman does is break up with Batman, abandon him, break his heart, cheat on him with many other men and women, and lecture and berate him all the time.
(1) this doesn't happen as you say it does, and it used to be Batman who did this
(2) if DC won't let Bruce & Selina be a thing they certainly aren't going to halt their dogshit writing when it comes to whatever dumbass ship you prefer.
I mean, she use to be a bdsm prostitute. I don’t know why anyone would ever think that would be good loyal wife material.
For some reason, DC feels the need to keep shipping these two despite them making a boring couple that doesn’t work together. Especially since Catwoman is such an awful character.
DC should just kill her off and replace her with her black counterpart.
>All Catwoman does is break up with Batman, abandon him, break his heart, cheat on him with many other men and women, and lecture and berate him all the time.
It is because DC writers think it is empowering when it just makes Catwoman a c**t.
I wish DC comics would pull a Jon Kent and Tim Drake and make her exclusive to her Queer bi side. Promote her as being lesbian 24/7. Put her on every single DC Pride cover. Then Batman can be free to date better women who can treat him better.
>I wish DC comics would pull a Jon Kent and Tim Drake
No, frick off, stop turning straight women into carpet munchers. Keep that degenerate crap out of here.
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>Can DC Comics stop shipping Batman with Catwoman?
That's like asking DC to stop shipping Superman with Lois, or asking Disney to stop shipping Mickey with Minnie.
I don't think it's comparable in that Bruce and Selina weren't traditionally OTP like Lois and Clark, but more like a tragic sidepiece he loved that he could never actually be with. While he maintained a bunch of other serious relationships and love affairs, where besides like a mermaid, Clark's pretty much always been a one woman man.
>tragic sidepiece he loved that he could never actually be with.
he literally married her and had a kid. this false belief is absurdly idiotic.
In earth 2? She dies. you don't get to see a happy marriage.
that's irrelevant. they were still together, moron.
That other anon is right though, this is the only Batman relationship that's really managed to become well-known enough that normies know and expect it from movies, cartoons, etc. You're simply not going to manage to replace it with something else because it's got decades of head-start on you, and it's a big part of some Batman adaptations that are still very popular. Most people in this thread probably have relatives who've never read a comic in their lives but have a basic knowledge of who Batman and Catwoman are and how their relationship works.
Most adaptations don't let them have a happy ending together, but that doesn't mean the comics' handling of them needs to be so awful.
>I don't think it's comparable in that Bruce and Selina weren't traditionally OTP like Lois and Clark
Neither were Clark and Lois, for pretty much the entirety of their Pre-Crisis history, Lois was treated more as a joke than an actual legitimate love interest and Clark had a ton of girlfriends besides her. They only got married in the 90s which gave us wonderful writing such as Lois throwing a b***h-fit over every remotely attractive girl Clark was friends with because most DC writers of the time hated the marriage. Then you had a new crop of writers grow up around the time the New 52 came into play and finally got rid of the marriage who wanted their nostalgia marriage back so you had some truly convoluted multiverse shit writing including Mr. Mxyzptlk literally acting like a writer mouthpiece and talking about how Clark and Lois were true wuv. Except bringing back the marriage fixed frick all and Superman comics went back to shit soon after again.
Times change.
they're good as flirtatious, but bad as an actual couple.
kinda like spidey and black cat.
King truly fricked Batcat beyond repair, huh?
Yep. And Tini Howard buried it.
No not really, DC marketing fricked up Batcat so much they had everyone believing so when the obvious ass pull happened everyone was upset. They even fooled Marvel for once and had Kitty and Colossus have their own sham wedding the same month.
Had DC not ordered 1000 variant covers and just treated the book as a normal #50 without the media coverage people would be more forgiving of Tom King's run pre Alfred's editorially mandated death to make up for King's marriage asspull.
>They even fooled Marvel for once and had Kitty and Colossus have their own sham wedding the same month.
What were the odds that neither wedding actually happened? They couldn't have done things worse if they'd been collaborating with each other.
>Had DC not ordered 1000 variant covers and just treated the book as a normal #50 without the media coverage people would be more forgiving of Tom King's run
The story that the wedding wasn't really happening got leaked out by DC before the issue was released, and retailed got stuck with a book they'd over-ordered and now couldn't sell. I remember reading some of them were trying to sue DC over it, did anything ever come of that?
>king
It was didio. King wanted to cement batcat canon on earth prime but didio the dude that wanted lois/Clark to break up had other plans
What is his fricking problem? All he causes is misery.
https://twitter.com/Batman/status/1697006287660228811?t=U6CV30dZSnSl8trr2SfXJw&s=19
>those replies
LMAO
Just a reminder- Selina's had sex with Slam Bradley
Sex with Slam Bradley's son
Gave birth to the daughter of Slam Bradley Jr
And Slam himself is being retconned into Bruce's real grandfather
Yes, that's right, Selina has had FOUR generations of a family inside her c**t.
Who the hell calls their kid "Slam"?
It’s a nickname
>tfw you read the character wiki's and it's all true
What in the frick DC...
Bruce/selina gave us Helena a much better character than Damian
I'm really fed up with writers drawing Catwoman with a dyke haircut. Can we get long-hair Selina back please?
And to answer your question OP, that's because DC goes about it the wrong way. Batman and Catwoman together only works if she gives up being a thief for him and settles down and DC can't do that because then she stops being Catwoman. So they instead do this half-ass shit where they have Batman look the other way constantly when Catwoman does illegal shit or else they just give her a pass because "she's only a thief, it's not like she's a murderess or something" as though stealing shit apparently is no big deal which is pretty messed up logic and makes Batman look like a hypocrite.
she doesn't need to settle down. he needs a partner that helps him when he's batman.
Batman already has enough partners and all it does is give us stories about Batman being nerfed to make the writer's pet characters look good. And Catwoman is a fricking thief, she does not have the skills Batman and company do and I'm sick of DC pretending like she does.
except she does. have you even read a catwoman comic before? she was literally created as a sort of female batman.
>have you even read a catwoman comic before?
Yes. Have you?
>she was literally created as a sort of female batman.
Go away zoom-zoom, read up on Catwoman's character history and then come back and apologize for being a fricking moron.
>Yes
lol, clearly not if you don't know she's been trained by martial arts masters, as well as in weaponry.
literally every DC street character has been "trained by martial arts masters", but the fact is Catwoman was never portrayed as some kind of elite fighter until recent years. She would never be able to compete against actual top-tier female martial artists like Black Canary and Cassandra Cain. She was always just a thief whose level of competence at martial arts was being able to beat up random mooks to make her escape
>until recent years
that's a complete load of shit. she's beat up or kept up with batman, robin, and batgirl before. she was not "always just a thief" who could only beat up the equivalent of cannon fodder.
what a dumb fricking post.
She was never treated as even remotely close to Batman, prior to Flashpoint there was actually a fairly even match between Batman and Shiva (unlike the recent era where Shiva is portrayed as being able to effortlessly crush Batman), but the only time Shiva and Catwoman fought, it ended with Shiva beating Catwoman so badly she almost died. Even Huntress did better than that. Most of the time she ran into any kind of serious threat, she either had to run away or it ended poorly for her. Hush almost murdered her as well, and Hush literally could not even beat Alfred in a fight.
Her level is slightly better than cannon fodder. Here's Catwoman against an actual trained fighter who lost to Batman.
>woman losing a fight against a man
>in her own comic even
Holy shit, I wasn't ready for that
"Catwoman losing in her own comic" describes most of the post Brubaker era of Catwoman lmao.
let's pick and choose as if power levels matter and as if batman hasn't gotten thwomped by joker before.
Power levels are stupid because all the training in the world won't prevent you from being coldwienered, they only work in Dragon Ball because you have to accept the stupid logic that punching really good means bullets don't work on you.
This should've gone out the window once Bruce's training went from "lifted some weights and did well in Gotham state college" to "trained around the world
Pre-Flashpoint Catwoman actually murdered Black Mask and Batman just forgave her for it. Though at least at that time she was portrayed as struggling with guilt over killing someone, nowadays I doubt they'd even bother with that
I'll be real with you frens
I've always hated the comic version of Catwoman, she's just too b***hy
Only Catwoman I thought was sexy was the one from the 60's show who was constantly getting kidnapped and put in deathtraps by the other villains
If DC could focus on only that part and make her a permanent damsel in distress we could maybe get something going
In fact do that to Harley too while you're at it, she's running out of goodwill
aieeeeeee
Know your place. Bat belongs to the clown.
Correct
Eww.
based Batjokes shipper
Thanks for the new phone wallpaper, fellow JUCEsister
CUTE
The way comics work mean no matter who it is it will always end in heartbreak to uphold the status quo.
In a eternal case of moronation, anon can't see that Catwoman isn't the issue, editorial is. Any other LI will suffer the same fate of breaking up in a "empowering" way, cheat, get character assassinated and do moronic shit because they want Bruce to be alone and supportless for their next arc.
>atwoman isn't the issue, editorial is
Fricking editorial! This is why we can't have anything nice.
I mean the writers suck ass, too. These companies are just filled with incompetents.
I guess this is the appropriate thread to reee about Gotham War.
What the frick happened to Batman's hand?
The Morrison version of the Batman of Zur-En-Arrr is the dumbest idea ever and reading Batman with literal self induced schizophrenia is one of the most tone deaf books DC has published in a while. It's the dumbest he's ever been written.
There's a story to be told about Batman and classism and his practical affects on crime, and I enjoy mob boss Catwoman but in this instance her plan is also stupid and she tells the entire Batfamily about it to instigate the War,when in the 8 weeks Batman was asleep, they were too stupid to catch her and her goons in the first place.
oh and Riddler has cameras that can see Batman, frick off.
it's worse than knight terrors with everyone written like complete morons and a touch of character assassination for selina.
>character assassination
That happens every year with comic characters, she's not special.
It's different when it's confined to a book no one reads. This isn't the case for Selina/MJ.
Isn't there a story about what would happen if Bruce didn't become Batman and in it he sees his soul mate? What's that from, or am I misremembering?
pretty sure that's been done about half a dozen times. I recall one in the BTAS comics where he and selina are married with kids.
Oh sure. The one I am thinking about though has her be some ordinary woman non-established character, with the idea being she is Bruce's actual soul mate who (on account of him becoming Batman) he never meets.
Batman's romantic relationship will never get fixed nor will his tension with either Selina or Talia get resolved. Selina will always be a will they or won't they relationship; Talia's deal is to be a secondary romance option to Selina, and fundamentally her narrative purpose is defined by both her father and her son. Characters like Wonder Woman are too big and their own thing as to deeply permeate the Batman mythos as the main love interest. There is not enough interest in the likes of Vicki Vale or Silver St. Cloud, who have become little better than being girl of the week.
Bruce's relationship will never get "fixed" has more to do with comic's need to return to status quo than it has to do with Bruce. But they should do the fricking ballsy thing and actually give Bruce a wife. He already has a bunch of "kids." Frickin Bat family with no wife like what's the damn point?
And Selina is the only option. OG Talia might be one because she was more of a victim and not a total psycho, but basically every version of her since the O'Neil version makes her a mass murderer, which would always be a no-go for Batman. And there are literally no other options than those two.
O'Neil Talia or bust
>comic's need to return to status quo
If Batman stops returning to the status quo than it should move on from Bruce being Batman; the only place Dick can really meaningfully go is permanently taking over the Batman mantle from Bruce. Yet, Batman's staus quo will never change (Bruce will not get a wife, Dick will not replace Bruce) as amongst audiences, both hardcore and casual, and writers there is both too much a like for the status quo and an inability to agree on how it should be changed.
It's amazing that they haven't made Batman a straight-out harem protagonist.
Harem protags are so overdone. That would be lame af.
That's why it is amazing modern DC has not done it.
Tim Drake was a harem protag though, well was.
I like Jessica Cruz with Batman. Feels like they can both bond over tragedy and facing their fears. Plus she’s actually nice and not some b***h who plays games
Jess are too good a character to be downgraded as Batman’s love interest.
Batman comics are shit