Can someone tell why Bobby was wrong in this episode?
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Can someone tell why Bobby was wrong in this episode?
Can someone tell why Bobby was wrong in this episode?
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Because he knew Hank duh.
Like most things in the show Hank wanted to teach Bobby some valuable life skills but Bobby decided to take a shortcut instead of put in the work. Kicking someone in the crotch only works if you take them by surprise, if Bobby kept relying on it he'd come cross someone that would be smart enough to wear a cup and he'd get an even more severe ass kicking because most guys see crotch punting as a move for pussies.
Actually kicking someone in the crotch is a lot harder than most people realize. Especially if they're standing far away or can react like at all. The reason it's so effective in women's self defense is because rapists have, by their chosen crime, made a point to kit close
>if Bobby kept relying on it he'd come cross someone that would be smart enough to wear a cup
Who the frick goes around wearing a cup? Unless he's fighting some dude fresh out of a football game that is never going to happen.
In any case: fighting fair is for pussies who value being perceived as tough over their own lives. You fight fair and guess what happens: You get knocked out, fall down, and smack your head on the pavement, and then you go into decorticate posturing while the guy who knocked you out continues to kick you in the head. If you ever wake up again, you're now a brain-damaged moron who should be euthanized. But at least you didn't kick someone in the nuts or gouge their eyes!
>Who the frick goes around wearing a cup?
A guy who hears there's another dude at school that exclusively kicks people in the crotch will
Maybe if he's a moron who's looking for a fight.
In which case Bobby should have the legal right to beat him to death with a hammer or shoot him with a gun.
Yes, so best to learn how to fight instead of being a one-trick pony with a trick that everyone is expecting.
but that wasn't Hanks issue. Hank was complaining that Bobby wasn't fighting fair, like he stepped into a boxing match instead of getting hassled by a bunch of kids.
That's the think Hank wasn't properly teaching Bobby anything. Even the one time he finally tried to teach Bobby boxing he was being an smug butthole about it until Bobby got too frustrated and didn't feel like taking anymore.
Hank is bad at explaining nuance but we've seen him know when it's time to even the field like when he was willing to come at a sketchy trailer park owner with a 9 iron because he pulled out a wrench he kicked Jimmy Witchard's ass literally when he deserved it. The problem isn't Hank truly expects gentlemanly fisticuffs it's that Bobby opens with dirty tactics and then gloats about it because he truly has no idea how to fight. Given how dumb and cowardly everyone Bobby fought were, learning to throw a decent punch would have had the same effect.
Other times Hank is okay but certain episodes like this he's lousy and like I said Hank doesn't explain any of this or even consider a well placed punch doesn't mean shit when there's multiple guys ganging up on you.
and seriously, who gives a shit whether you open with dirty tactics or not. Someone picks on you they forfeit the right to fair play
The multiple guys were all complete pussies is my point. Punching Chane in his lack of a jaw would've at worst probably shook him because he's never fought anyone who'd fight back with his friends fleeing like they did for the wienersock. If you're fighting a gang of guys with mettle, they don't care if you kicked their friend in the nuts, if anything it might just make them madder. Ultimately knowing how to actually fight will always be better than only knowing desperation tactics, Bobby was literally using a move that's only purpose was to stagger your attacker long enough to flee. Meaning it's completely useless in the event a second attacker can just chase you down right afterwards.
If Bobby bit the guy's throat out and then jammed his thumb into the guy's friend's eye, would that be fine with you?
Jeez Bobby why can't you just learn to throw a fricking punch?
Because fighting fair is for pussies and people who care more about their own weird sense of masculinity than their actual health.
If someone is trying to hurt you, you shouldn't hold back. You should do everything in your power to cause that person as much pain as possible, as efficiently as possible, with as little risk to yourself as possible, until they are no longer capable of doing you any harm (i.e. they're unconscious/unable to move/dead).
You sound like the kind of homosexual who'd shake a guys hand after getting your teeth knocked out by him because it was a "good fair fight bro"
You seem more like you're just a psycho. The fact you quickly need to devolve into such animalistic tactics shows hw truly incapable you are of defending yourself where as learning simple self defense. You're so insecure in your own masculinity that you've denied the merits of any other method.
>You seem more like you're just a psycho.
That's what I mean, you're a pussy who cares about the wellbeing of some random asswipe who is trying to beat the shit out of you.
>The fact you quickly need to devolve into such animalistic tactics
I don't care if you consider them "animalistic." I'm not trying to be a sporty gentleman who defeats his opponents with class a sheer skill. If I'm in a fight I'm doing absolutely everything I can to ensure I come out with the least amount of injuries as I possibly can. Nothing is off-limits. Hell, if I have a knife (or better yet a gun), I'm using it.
>shows hw truly incapable you are of defending yourself where as learning simple self defense
I'm not a martial artist or a boxer or even particularly strong. I cannot win a fair fight, so I won't fight fair.
>You're so insecure in your own masculinity that you've denied the merits of any other method.
I'm secure enough in my masculinity that I don't feel the need to put myself in danger to prove it. You do.
the psychotic ramblings of a moron who never leaves his house but fantasizes about how he'd supposedly fight if he ever encountered another person
not an argument
Correct, it's an observation. Good job anon.
more like impotent seething
>Flinging ad homs to try and seem tough
>Doesn't care about masculinity
Okay bro.
Calling a spade a spade isn't a demonstration of masculinity. It's just pointing out an obvious fact. If you care about the wellbeing of someone who is trying to assault you, you're basically a cuck.
You're trying too hard bro, it's clear you're just scared of people in general and overcompensating. Just take a boxing class or something and you'll feel more confident.
Why would I pay money to have people hit me in the face?
To know how to hit em back and make some friends
Weren't these the guys that kept trying to force Bobby to eat dirt?
yeah frick them.
You keep explaining like that was Hanks issue. I agree with you about that but that wasn't Hanks problem. Hank was getting riled up ONLY over some dumb fighting fair point and couldn't understand why Bobby wasn't agreeing with him and then punished him because Bobby got the better of him.
I agree with what you say, but nobody sat Bobby down to explain that. I could see why was was frustrated because nobody would give him proper advice. In the end he just saw his parents ganging up on him.
>then punished him because Bobby got the better of him.
he punished him because he kicked him in the fricking balls you moron
He was punishing Bobby because he kicked him so hard in the nuts there was legitimate concern he lost a testicle and couldn't walk....all because Bobby chimped out at being lightly tapped with a padded glove.
Bobby didn't ape out. he kicked Hanks ass.
Hank was wrong because he wouldn't give a real explanation of why defending yourself that way is wrong. The fair fight shit is NOT the right reason.
>he kicked Hanks ass
he actually kicked his balls
still got the job done.
>Lost Gameboy
>Got beaten by mother
>Mentally b***hslapped by Dad without lifting a finger
>Job Done
Suuuuure he did
that was after.
and apparently it was enough to make Hank sperg out and have to rely on Peggy to save the day.
all because nether one could be proper parents
>Bobby didn't ape out
We literally saw the look on his face
what?
Bobby was pretty rapidly becoming a bully himself and alienating his friends as a weird psycho with a fixation on other men's testicles. Which is bad enough as it is, then he kicks his dad in the nuts out of nothing but frustration and weakness. Bobby was becoming a shitty person and was setting himself up for a massive ass whooping.
He doesn't even need to wear a cup, he just needs to have the reflexes to avoid the single move of a kid who doesn't have good range in the first place.
>A cup
A good pair of jeans would work just fine.
Kicking someone in the nads is an excellent self defense move moron. There are no rules in a street fight other than do everything you can do get away from your attacker. nut shots, eye gouging, scratching, and biting are all fair game.
Would've sucked ass for Bobby when he ended up in juvie for nut-checking a classmate and causing him to lose a testicle.
Whataboutism is cancer, stop it.
>Whataboutism
Black person you don't even know what you're saying. Getting kicked in the balls is way riskier than most people think.
teaches someone not to bully others though
And teaches Bobby how to go to prison for maiming someone.
pretty sure kicking someone in the balls after they attack you counts as self defense
okay but he wasn't just kicking people in the balls after they attacked him. He was also pre-emptively attacking kids who seemed like they might bully someone. And his dad who was literally just trying to teach him to throw and block a punch. And his mother who was trying to stop him from being an unruly homosexual to his father who he had seriously injured. Bobby would've been running around kicking people in the balls for all kinds of dumb shit if they hadn't put a stop to it.
>He was also pre-emptively attacking kids who seemed like they might bully someone.
The only kid he did that to was the one in detention and that was because he was following Dale's advice.
So is getting punched in the stomach, or choked out, or knocked out. I'd rather blow up a guy's testicle with my boot than have him punch me in the face and break my jaw or knock out my teeth.
fun fact, if someone minorly inconveniences you and you proceed to violently assault them, the law tends to side with the other guy
Getting attacked is not a minor inconvenience.
>he's still ignoring the fact that Bobby wasn't only using this tactic while being attacked
see
Uh huh, and Hank? Or Peggy while she was attempting to enforce his punishment for kicking Hank in the balls?
Hank was being an butthole. A[apparently he had no problem with Bobby getting beaten up by multiple kids. Dirty pool was his bigger concern for some reason.
>Anon continues to pretend Bobby wasn't behaving like a violent Black person
post hands
>noooo you have to LARP as le gentleman and let yourself get your ass kicked by trying to fight fair
ignores my point entirely.
Because your point was he dindu nuffin you melanated dipshit
You're the one acting like a dumb Black person here
>Like most things in the show Hank wanted to teach Bobby some valuable life skills
The thing is he didn't. Hank was lazy.
He could've STARTED with breaking out the boxing gloves and teaching Bobby to fight "properly" but instead he just did a very hands off "go take a class lol". He didn't actively parent, he didn't follow up. He left Bobby to his own devices and then got surprised when being a father required more than telling your kid to figure it out and going back to watching the game.
He thought he was hot shit using cheapshots
but none of the fights he was in were fair fights. He was being ganged up on. Hank was complaining about "dirty pool" which shouldn't have even been a factor.
Yeah but it got the point where he tried using the same in even a non-violent confrontation with his mother IIRC
It's been a while and I may not have even seen the full episode at that
That was because Hank punished him out of spite for kicking him and then Peggy took Hanks side.
Granted Bobby might've went to far but Hank had it coming because he was acting like an butthole. His whole issue was Bobby wasn't "fighting fair"
>He was being ganged up on.
He was only right with Chane because it was a legitimate act of self defense. All the other times he wasn't being attacked, he was starting all the fights himself. It would be a different story if he wasn't trying to bait other guys.
The moral of the episode was stupid though, Bobby should've learned his lesson by coming across a jock who wears a cup, or for one of the guys to hit Bobby in the nuts back.
he was attacking the other guts because everyone was giving him bad advice. Joseph told him to attack the biggest guy to avoid being picked on. Hank wasn't giving him any actual guidance. The principle didn't care when anyone was getting bullied, only when he fought back "the wrong way" Even the other time, Bobby was helping another kid who was getting picked on.
Bobby did nothing wrong, there's no such thing as a fair fight unless you're in MMA or some shit. The only thing Bobby did wrong was abusing the power of the ball kick and being an butthole
Well for one thing he got so full of himself he was going around kicking his parents in the crotch to get away with doing whatever he wanted you dumb moron.
>Gets all pissy
Sorry I didn't realize homosexuals were in the thread. what's wrong homosexual? nobody allowed to discuss things on Cinemaphile homosexual?
>is moronic
homosexual
99 percent of Cinemaphile is homosexuals.
Real talk. Does hitting a woman in the crotch still hurt them? I've wondered this question for almost a decade and I want an answer.
I heard it's worse
>does taking a boot directly to the pelvis hurt?
fun fact, if you manage to hit the clit it's got a shit ton of nerve endings that don't generally like blunt force trauma
It doesn't tickle.
Yeah, I accidentally kicked my wife in the pussy back when we were first dating. She was not very happy about it. I was surprised, I didn’t think that would hurt a girl that bad, but her and the other girl that was there with us made sure I learned different.
>Accidentally
She should've stomped your nuts hard until there's none.
Its like taking a hit to the bone of the arm. People only no sell it as a joke in wrestling
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Yes, c**t punts are a thing.
He did it on purpose during a training spar to teach him how to defend himself. Past that, he went on to use it simply as a weapon/threat to bully people with which was b***h behavior.
Him nut punting the gay who tried to force him to eat dirt was fine
dishonorable combat
bring great shame to Hill family
so, why did Hank got hurt so badly that he couldn't walk for a day while the school bullies didn't? was it the narrow urethra or Bobby got to land a more powerful kick?
>why do more developed adult testicles take more damage than developing young teen testicles?
I know /co is all 17 yr old pedos and troons, but use your fricking brains.
So if I punch a baby skull he'll be fine because it's not fully developed?
yeah, they're soft so they absorb the impact, it's a defense mechanism
Nevermind, no brains here to be found.
How would they do this episode in a reboot
When he picked Peggy in the crotch she'd have gone to the ER with testicular torsion and Bobby would have to do sensitivity training.
Bobby tries to kick someone in the crotch but it turns out his bully was actually a f2m trans kid dressed as a boy so Bobby gets expelled for assuming someone's gender.
he wasn't. I'm realizing more and more that hank is a huge homosexual. like the episode where he stops bobby from modeling because some kids might make fun of him, and instead of telling him to not care what they think, he makes him all self conscious and neurotic, like him, instead of instilling confidence and can do spirit in him. or the episode where he talks him out of cleaning up dog shit because it personally embarrasses hank himself, even though it's honest work and makes him a lot of money and provides a service to his community. hanks a hypocrite and a piece of shit. frick him and his homosexualy truck.
Those models were getting high off their own farts and expecting to be loved for it. Hank saved Bobby from becoming a self-obsessed butthole.
The modeling episode was interesting at the time because it was a subversion of the usual TV cliche where the dad is wrong and kids should just follow their dreams. Hank was the jock who teased kids like Bobby in school and he knows that there are a lot of kids out there who are much worse than he was, and that's just life.
Judge always referred to this episode as one of his favorites for the subversion, and in later years it became the template for a lot of episodes where Hank is right for no good reason and it's no longer a subversion of anything.
This one is sort of in between, because Hank isn't really proved right about anything, he just admits that it's OK to not "fight fair" when you don't have a choice (in this case, letting Peggy handle Bobby).
The one where Hank shits on Bobby's dreams to be an entertainer while fixating on Connie's was always weird to me too, especially when she later says she didn't want to do it.
It's largely a case of Hank doesn't quite understand Bobby's appeal. With Connie he understood her appeal and her very obvious talent. The whole episode was basically Hank and Kahn not understanding what their kids were actually looking for and just projecting their own idea of success onto them.
>She's bluffing! FINISH HER!
hank is wrong
going for the weakpoint is the best solution for selfpreservation
go for the weakpoint, make someone else suffer instead of you
It's not funny, stop laughing.
Bobby ended the conflict in the fewest moves, so the problem is the psychosexual aspect. We celebrate Ender Wiggens for accomplishing similar ends despite literally killing his opponents, we can stomach death before testicles. We don't want to think about that.
He wasn't wearing a purse and did in fact know the people he was assaulting
My dad taught me how to make Black person knuckles out of a roll of quarters and electrical tape. If you do it right it's identical to brass knuckles and you'll easily fracture someone's jaw, skull or simply knock all their teeth out. It came with the lesson that afterwards you simply go spend all the evidence, but the caveat that if I ever needed to use them I'd have to spend them on beer for him. I never did but I'm thankful.
>It came with the lesson that afterwards you simply go spend all the evidence
your dad was a moron, they don't need the random junk you hit someone with as evidence to charge you with assault
There is a big legal difference between using a weapon to defend yourself and simply punching them.
at the point that you're fracturing jaws or knocking all someone's teeth out, not really. If it was a gun or a knife sure because they'd slap possession charges on you or whatever, but if you get caught fricking someone up with some coins it's not gonna matter whether they find the find the coins or not they're just gonna charge you for being a violent ape.
if someone attacks you, Im pretty sure you can kill them in self defense
then why would you care about being found with coins?
sorry I shouldn't said I'm not that anon.
But if it's clear that someone was indeed attacking you, nobody is going to care how you fought back.
okay well that's not what we were talking about so... shut up?
what are you talking about?
>There is a big legal difference between using a weapon to defend yourself and simply punching them.
The big flaw with the episode is that Bobby's way too weak and clumsy to land all those nutshots. Realistically, he'd try it, miss badly, and get beat up worse than ever.