Can someone who likes the Boys live action adaptation explain what exactly the appeal is?
I don’t particularly like Garth Ennis but The Boys is as good as his writing gets. And it works well.
The show feels like generic capeshit in comparison, and I don’t even understand why the basic premise was altered so much
>homelander in comics is seen as impossibly powerful to the point Butcher needs to enact a years long plan to take him down even with powers, a superpowers team and federal assets
>homelander in the show keeps getting his ass beat and Butcher actively saves him
>The Boys in the comic have powers from the start and spend most of their time kicking the shit out of the 90% of average supes who they’re stronger than. Occasionally needing to fight a real heavy hitter like Stormfront and requiring planning and strategy
>tv show writers said they didn’t do this and instead had the boys without powers because they didn’t want to write them fighting supes all the time and instead they’d need to “fight smart”... but all this actually resulted in was the boys doing the exact same blackmail plot over and over, then sitting and watching the superpowered women on their side fight supes anyway.
I dunno I just really fricking like how the actor plays Homelander, also Season 3 sucked ass
>comic has a fairly straight forward message about corporate bullshit, vengeance and abuse of power
>the narrative messages just plain don’t make sense in the show. Hughie is called toxic by starlight for wanting powers even though he’s terrified homelander will hurt the woman he loves and he only wants to protect her and himself from the literal most powerful psycho on earth.
>starlight then... gives compound V to kimiko because she wants powers for the exact same reason
>kimiko has a whole story arc about how she’s “not a monster” and doesn’t want to be a weapon
>proceeds to kill a bunch of security guards in agonising ways for no reason while listening to music and clearly enjoying it, all so they can steal a bioweapon (I guess they should’ve just handed over the bioweapon to these randoms and that’s a good enough reason to kill innocent guards?)
Normies love it because it's edgy and subversive in a way that feels refreshing after so many years of declining quality MCU schlock. Hyperviolence and cynical social commentary about MUH EVIL CORPORATIONS makes them clap like seals, even though Amazon and Disney are as close to Vought as you can get without using magical superpower chemicals.
It’s satire is so on the nose it’s painful. It’s weird anybody could enjoy it to me even if you 100% agree with it,
Seth Rogan ruined it with his cuck fetish.
Nah you're exaggerating. I think the tv show is mid but tolerable but your issues aren't real issues
>homelander in the show keeps getting his ass beat and Butcher actively saves him
He's clearly the most powerful and they brought in a guy who's equally powerful 2 seasons in to spice things up
>tv show writers said they didn’t do this and instead had the boys without powers because they didn’t want to write them fighting supes all the time and instead they’d need to “fight smart”... but all this actually resulted in was the boys doing the exact same blackmail plot over and over, then sitting and watching the superpowered women on their side fight supes anyway
Blackmail plots only started getting boring when they powered up the Boys anyway. They still plan and strategize, they came up with how to deal with Soldier Boy for example.
>the narrative messages just plain don’t make sense in the show
Don't need a clear narrative message in my light entertainment. Can muse on different topics raised from different perspectives. People being hypocrites is not unrealistic
>He's clearly the most powerful
He got beat up by Maeve and had to team up with butcher to survive a Soldier Boy
>Blackmail plots only started getting boring when they powered up the Boys anyway
Your level of quality you find enjoyable is clearly just way lower than mine I guess. Endless scenes of Butcher being “badass” by sitting in a basement and whining about blackmailing someone was pretty dull by the third time it happened. Let alone the 10th
>Don't need a clear narrative message in my light entertainment. Can muse on different topics raised from different perspectives. People being hypocrites is not unrealistic
They’re not treated as hypocrites. Because they’re not written to be. The writers are pretty open about what it all means. It’s just bad writing.
They literally didn’t let Maeve get killed even though it makes no sense and is nonsense because her character is LGBT. And they “refused to kill an LGBT character” since it’s apparently a trope
>He got beat up by Maeve and had to team up with butcher to survive a Soldier Boy
They had a fight which Maeve badly lost, and which was more interesting because it was fairly even. Soldier Boy is the aforementioned one they introduced as equally powerful. Non-issue
> sitting in a basement and whining about blackmailing someone
Really didn't happen that often. Reaching
>They’re not treated as hypocrites
Yeah they are, because they do hypocritical things. You don't need to have the scripts hold your hand and affirm that
It's pretty shit that they make storytelling decisions based on real-world bullshit political ideas but I'm pretty sure you just let politics define what you like and dislike and clutch your pearls when the creator disagrees with you. But a show like this is really just a soap opera with occasional light shows. I watch because I'm mildly interested in what happens to these characters based on their relationships with one another
>Yeah they are, because they do hypocritical things. You don't need to have the scripts hold your hand and affirm that
You don’t even “get” the show you enjoy lol. The writers think you’re an idiot for not getting it. They think you’re a mongoloid for thinking “good” characters being hypocrites is actually them being hypocritical.
Every single time it’s shown as them actually being ok to do that since they’re “good” characters.
Kimiko killing innocent security guards is treated as a lighthearted lolsorandum moment that disregards her whole story arc. But you think this is actually meant to be seen as hypocritical
At least the guy above was smart enough to see it as dumb schlock. The scripts are just bad dude. They don’t make sense or have a coherent narrative
Lol no, obviously I'm not unaware of things people like you repeat over and over and over again. I've just consciously decided I can enjoy the story on my own terms and making judgements about characters that aren't necessarily the ones the writers intend. You're the one who's totally controlled by the point they're trying to hammer into you rather than thinking around it from different angles
>I've just consciously decided I can enjoy the story on my own terms
Consume product. Ignore quality. Ignore logic. Ignore story. Ignore writing. Must consoooom
Nah that doesn't hit home friend. Like I said, I saw different ways of interpreting the same narrative scenario. Your behavior comes across as much more thoughtless and sheeplike from my perspective. But hey I guess we're all the meme of thinking we're the special ones and everyone else is the sheep. You just have a lot more rage and pride about it haha
Not really worth reading your comments when you just don’t care about the writing. If your level of shit acceptance is that high, you have no opinions or ideas worth hearing. Because it’s already established you’ll watch anything and enjoy it
Pretty telling that’s the best reason a “fan” of this shit has had so far lmao
I said I thought it was mid but tolerable lol
I do care about the writing, just not enough to get up my own ass about how my opinion is the only one that matters when there are one or two things I don't like
>mid but tolerable
You must have a lot of spare time to waste watching entire seasons of a “mid” show.
Yeah quite a lot lol. Especially since I watch it with other people
Now let's think about the person who hate-watches the show, cares enough to think about how some events are inconsistent with characters' supposed moral high ground, cares enough to read interviews with the writers to find opinions they disagree with, then argues about the show they hate on Cinemaphile LOL
Genuinely bizarre to see someone this low IQ
>Now let's think about the person who hate-watches the show
The fact I stopped watching after season 2 yet still have a better grasp on the show based solely on a few random YouTube clips and 5 minutes of reading, than you do after watching it all is not a good sign for your brain.
At least I know they play this stuff at moron care homes now though
Haha yes flail wildly in your anger little man
I’m not angry son, I’m disappointed. I always knew there was a huge audience drooling over CGI and bad writing and revelling in their own ignorance. I just never got such insight into NPCs before.
You’re the guy AI writing was made for.
Were you in that Nick Fury thread yesterday?
>Wake up sheeple!! The only based way to engage with media is to whine about it being bad
Here’s some quotes from an interview with Eric Kripke
>And then at what point did you decide that Queen Maeve's (Dominique McElligott) arc this season would be a lot more connected to the main storyline and that she would deliver that seemingly final blow to Soldier Boy?
>When you map out these hero's journey things, you reach this organic part for Starlight when, for her to truly rise into the hero we need her to be, we need to take away her mentor-slash-protector. And sure enough, there are like three different scenes in season two where Starlight's in a lot of trouble, and then suddenly Maeve's there.
>So, the conversation started to turn to, as much as we love the character and as much as we love Dom, we sort of needed to take this protection away from Starlight. We said, OK, well, if we're doing that, then it's time to play all the cards we wanted to play, which is a huge fight with Homelander that she might have won.
>I mean, that's what I love about that fight. We imply that had it kept going, she might have won.
>But to bring her down to this core moment of, "Do I continue on my goal of vengeance or do I save the people I love, specifically Starlight?" and that she makes that decision and actually is a hero finally and purely, I thought was a really beautiful moment.
>And then we worked really carefully and hard about — from the beginning I said to the writers, "She's not dying. I am not going to be the showrunner who kills off an LGBT character, like, frick that. So you better start getting your heads around 'How do we have her gracefully leave, but give her a happy ending?'"
So this is their level of thought on how to write. Also he says Maeve could have won against Homelander lmao
It appeals to redditors. The soft edge and safe political stances is the shit they eat up.
>writers shit on people for not believing the mainstream media through Todd, who says the mainstream media is lies
>but also all mainstream media we see in the show IS lies
>has a bunch of Neo Nazis tear down a statue of soldier boy, during the summer of BLM tearing down statues
>I don’t particularly like Garth Ennis but The Boys is as good as his writing gets
And it is still dogshit. The TV show is way better in terms of writing than the comic. Ennis is the embodiment of a competent idea guy, but shit creator
>The TV show is way better in terms of writing than the comic
Care to give an example? Because literally only homelander has had any real improvement, but even he’s suffered too much from the need to alter the characters around him at this point.
Every single character makes dumb decisions that only exist to propel a snails speed plot at this point
You even have ridiculous shit like
>starlight live-streams “exposing” homelander
>show acts like this is a huge dramatic moment that changes everything
>next episode, it actually changed nothing. There are no consequences for anyone whatsoever even though apparently Homelander wanting his image intact is the only thing that kept him from going nuts
>She’s even still allowed to be in the Seven building to just wander around and steal compound V because that makes sense
Every character is improved. Arguably the only one that hasn't improved is Butcher's dog, since he's just a cameo now.
>snails speed plot
Yeah, I'm not arguing the overall plot makes sense anymore in the show. Macro things don't ever matter until the micro decisions demand it actually matters, which means if you ever ask big questions the show starts to fall apart. Even with that, the show is still better than the comic.
>Every character is improved
How is Starlight improved?
You failing to mention a single way any character was improved just makes it seem like you don’t really think they have been
>The Boys is as good as his writing gets
Absolutely not.
He's bullshitting you to make you angry.
Reminder they
>gender swapped Stillwell then wrote her off after one season
>introduced Stan Edgar who just performs the exact same role as Stillwell from the comics but is black now
>proceeds to say this during the summer black people were burning down cities
I just like watching homelander get away with shit because of how fricking unlikeable everyone else is.
Remember when Starlight killed a random innocent guy for his car, then later is treated as the mora arbiter character who calls Butcher a murderer? (entire seasons later and it has never been brought up again either, real good writing. I guess killing a man isn’t a big deal)
Also how for some reason Butcher, whose entire character is “I hate supes because they abuse their power to hurt people” actually thinks she did the right thing by killing a guy who literally could not possibly have hurt her with a handgun, when she could have just walked up to him and disarmed him... all because they wanted to hijack his car to drive Hughie to hospital... and this was after he already offered to drive them there
This has no lasting impact on anything either
Wonder if the show will explain why her actress looks more bogged each season
>Noooo they love lgbt
I don't. But is Huey gonna die?
>Noooo they're doing obvious parallels to BLM
Oh hey yeah, that's kinda dumb. But what's gonna happen with that headpopper woman
>Noooo they need to have Starlight punished for murdering that guy
Sometimes people get away with shit and still think they're the good guys. I don't envy her life lol. But hey what happened to that bald chick who escaped?
Stop reeeeeeing about leftists not liking you and watch the fricking show. Or drop it and read stonetoss
>Sometimes people get away with shit and still think they're the good guys.
The writers said she’s the good guy.
It’s a story about how superheroes are bullshit and she literally becomes a generic superhero. You desperately searching for some internal logic is you failing to understand... the writers don’t think she did a bad thing and got away with it. They think it was fully ok for her to kill that guy. Because he made vague statements about the right to bear arms and is therefore ok to kill
You spending 5 seconds to consider her a hypocrite, is 5 seconds more than they ever did
Again, I don't care what the writers think. It really doesn't bother me that they might have a screwed up moral compass, because it's not what I'm coming to the show for. I care how interpersonal relationships will develop. And even then not very much.
>Again, I don't care what the writers think
Doesn’t matter. The writers lead the story. If you literally have to constantly invent your own reasons for a show to even slightly work because the writing is so low quality then that’s not a good show
I'm so sick and tired of seeing this homosexual absolutely everywhere. I have no idea what everyone sees in him.
Fricking this. THE BOYS on Amazon Prime is amazing. Nobody could seriously think its bad.