It will be milked for the next 100 years, probably more. Same goes for LotR. Only hope is for some billionaire to buy the rights just to prevent anyone from using the IP.
It would be easy to save just make things everyone wants: a Darth maul movie, an old republic movie, etc. they won’t because the people running Star Wars don’t understand what makes it appealing but it could easily be saved
I have never understood Star Wars fans' obsessions with the obscene number of midquels that have been put out. I just fundamentally can't get interested in plots that are spoiled before they ever get shown.
>can this franchise be salvaged or is it dead forever?
Yeah it can be salvaged. The setting is still a good one, its got aliens and monsters, space dogfights, gun fights, bounty hunters, space wizards, and laser sword fights. With all that its easy to write a good story in it, you just need good characters and unfortunately the Disney trilogy squandered all the good characters from the original trilogy and replaced them with boring trash. So all that needs to be done is get some decent writers who understand the classic myths and tropes Lucas built the franchise on and can create characters the audience will actually like. The formula still works, Disney just has to obey it rather than trying to reinvent it into some preachy agenda pushing nonsense.
Sequels radically underperformed against the Prequels (gee, a decade of Shadows of the Empire multimedia prep sure did the trick huh), and clearly Lucas was the secret sauce. Suits proactively in denial is self-serving face-saving, but deep down they have to know.
The Sequels radically underperformed the OT as well. A New Hope made just about as much as all 3 “sequels” combined and did so on a much lower budget (even adjusting said budget for inflation).
The Sequels were a massive underperformer with the sole exception of TFA
Let me put it this way: I just recently discovered an ongoing Star Wars vs. 40k fanfic audiobook on Youtube a few weeks ago. Listening to it was more fun than anything Star Wars has made in the last fifteen years.
You cannot salvage Star Wars in its current form at this poinT. Ending the entire series with "lol actually Anakin/Darth Vader never fricking mattered and the prophecy referred to this Mary Sue nobody who'd steal Luke Skywalker's name after his death" cemented that. You'd have to engage in the dreaded reboots, and just like that you've cut expectations for what your new Star Wars will be in half.
The magic is dead. Remember the good times, make your own original IP and move on.
Prophecies are part of ALL fantasy works. Their presence and ambiguity add depth, conflict, and layers to a story. There was absolutely nothing wrong with having Prophecies in Star Wars. It was to be expected and it was handled fine.
Rey Palpatine and the Corporate Soft-Reboot are what really destroyed Star Wars. Until Disney faces this they are just going to be throwing good money after bad as their declining asset dwindles into the ether
>Prophecies are part of ALL fantasy works.
That doesn't mean all prophecies are created equal or serve the same function anymore than the works themselves are equal. This prophecy was utterly brain-dead and tacked on.
There's nothing ambiguous about it. It's so unambiguous that its only real contribution is reminding the audience how ROTJ ends and to needlessly puff up Darth Vader's importance. The prophecy's significance itself also doesn't really make a lot of sense given the setting, and funnily enough Anakin himself in AOTC and ROTS is a good example of why.
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Brainlet take.
The leading Jedi in the PT seem to constantly debate the Prophecy’s meaning and significance and overall legitimacy and their confusion over it’s true meaning causes the Council to make decisions they wouldn’t ordinarily make.
Only towards the end does Yoda realize the prophecy may actually point to the end of the Jedi Order itself. Luke and Leia’s heroics in the OT are then amplified as is Anakin’s eventual return to the light in “fulfillment of the scriptures”
However the fact that the prophecy may be largely myth, ….but the fact that it still occurred as predicted is ironic
It works fine. Luke was always meant to be King Arthur anyway
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>Brainlet take.
Zzzzzz. The prequelteen is already getting uppity. >confusion over it’s true meaning causes the Council to make decisions they wouldn’t ordinarily make.
Does it? They hardly mention it. Qui-Gon takes an interest in him, and Obi-Wan decides to train him because of Qui-Gon, OT be damned, but aside from that it rarely comes up. Obi-Wan briefly brings it up in ROTS to justify everyone making stupid choices despite everybody otherwise rightfully being skeptical of Anakin's judgment. The rest is just the characters being strung along by the plo--I mean, Palpatine. >the prophecy may be largely myth
Nothing suggests it's myth, though. Anakin's power is maximum (his sperm count is even higher than Yoda's!! Woah!!!!!) and he's miraculously born without a Y chromosome (though luckily the Force gave him a few extra chromosomes to make up for it, judging by his behavior). Likewise, the surface reading of the prophecy is right: Anakin is the Chosen One, and he did fulfill the prophecy -- just in a roundabout way that made use of dramatic irony and youngling murder along the way. >It works fine.
The finality of the prophecy never made any sense.
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>66
The Prophecy was fulfilled not because of strict Jedi Dogma, or adherence to ancient creed but because a son loved his father. No matter the cost, a son loved and forgave his father.
The power and beauty and literary significance of that ending has been destroyed by corporate bigots and low-talent affirmative action hires
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>The Prophecy was fulfilled not because of strict Jedi Dogma, or adherence to ancient creed but because a son loved his father. No matter the cost, a son loved and forgave his father.
Prophecies being fulfilled in surprising ways is usually how they work. In this case it's just surprising to the characters alone and not the audience.
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>The power and beauty and literary significance of that ending has been destroyed by corporate bigots
It was doomed regardless, if you consider the treatments Lucas sold to Disney.
They need to make a really good Rey movie so that the sequel trilogy is recontextualised and salvaged in the eyes of future generations, which is no small feat.
I’ve not read them but I think reconfiguring the Jedi Academy trilogy by Kevin J. Anderson would be quite straightforward. Would be cozy, family-friendly, and could really build upon Rey’s character. You could just set it exclusively on Yavin 4 to isolate it from everything else. Would just be Rey training the next generation of Jedi. I think the villain of those books was the spirit of Exar Kun, an ancient Sith Lord. Would be pretty kino.
>They need to make a really good Rey movie
I don't think this is impossible, but I don't think it would rehabilitate the sequels anymore than TCW or whatever saved the prequels.
Like how people tolerate episodes one and two to eventually get to the half-baked but enjoyable episode three, so to will they sit through the sequel trilogy. It will just be a general malaise people sit through before kino. Remember, future generations will just view the sequel trilogy with apathy as they have no connection to the legacy characters or any recollection of how they were viewed before the sequels. TLJ Luke is their Luke and it will be all they ever know. I think TLJ will be the most rehabilitated film of the lot and become the ROTS of the sequels. TFA and TROS are still shit but it’s something.
>Like how people tolerate episodes one and two to eventually get to the half-baked but enjoyable episode three
I don't care for ROTS either, though. It's barely better than AOTC.
>They need to make a really good Rey movie
I don't think this is impossible, but I don't think it would rehabilitate the sequels anymore than TCW or whatever saved the prequels.
LOL. Rey is already a failed character. Doubling down on her theft of Luke’s story, character, and achievements is just going to make her more disliked and controversial
Rey is pretty much a nothing character, just as shitty copy of Luke, you can’t redeem her unless you completely change everything about her. The fact they are doubling down on this and giving her Luke’s original destiny shows they haven’t learned a thing
And yet doubling down on Rey and trying to salvage her character is the best option. She is the face of the franchise now whether you like it or not, you can’t just ignore her and create whatever random R-rated spin-offs and multiverse concepts you want.
>She is the face of the franchise now whether you like it or not,
No, she’s not. She is no more the face of Star Wars than Captain Marvel is the face of Marvel. Just because a corporation pushes a character really hard doesn’t mean that the audience accepts or supports him/her, buys their merch, or views them as the flagship,
Vader, Luke/Leia, Grogu/ Din, Ahsoka are all the true faces of the franchise to the fandom. Nobody cares about Rey Palpatine
>Just because a corporation pushes a character really hard doesn’t mean that the audience accepts or supports him/her, buys their merch, or views them as the flagship,
And yet you’ve elevated Baby Yoda and the Mando guy in the same pedestal as Vader, Luke, and Leia for some reason. A rehabilitation of her character is definitely possible and is the correct way to go. You can’t just retcon the sequels. I don’t like Rey either but it makes sense.
>A rehabilitation of her character is definitely possible and is the correct way to go. You can’t just retcon the sequels. I don’t like Rey either but it makes sense.
You can’t rehabilitate her character at this point, and Kennedy/ Disney & Co (sounds like an Irish Law Firm) have no intention of doing so. At all. It’s perfect girl boss all the way down.
They are Quadrupling down on Rey being the flawless savior and founder of the NJO. That’s not rehab, idiot. That’s reiteration
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Nobody is writing about what Lucasfilm intends to do. This is all hypothetical. I’m saying that the best scenario is that Lucasfilm makes a good Rey film because they can rehabilitate her character by making her more complex and nuanced, and depicting the difficulties she faces creating a NJO. Lucasfilm will probably do the opposite but that isn’t what is being discussed.
And if the post sequel films are not about Rey founding the NJO then what exactly are they supposed to be about? Are you just going to ignore it completely?
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The NJO is Luke’s story and Luke’s destiny. That needs to be reestablished.
There is no fricking reason that a story that takes place over 40,000 years potentially involving trillions of life forms needs to have only one destiny that somehow needs to be awkwardly transplanted to a despised corporate knock-off and there is nothing else that she can do besides steal, steal, and steal.
Give her her own fricking shit. Stop stealing other people’s shit. It’s the very reason why the ENTIRE planet either hates Rey or doesn’t care at all. She’s not authentic, original, or compelling.
She’s nothing.
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But what else would Rey be doing? Why wouldn't Rey eventually take on students?
9 months ago
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So really you’re just seething over Luke’s character being ruined. I get that. But that doesn’t really matter anymore from a business perspective. It is done. Kids will see Luke as a doddering old failure and Rey as the founder of the NJO. If Star Wars wants to have some kind of future Lucasfilm should move forward with this instead of retconning or pretending it didn’t happen. You can complain all you want about it but that is what needs to happen.
9 months ago
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No one cares about Mouseslop
9 months ago
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confirmed, the sequels are SW for people who hate SW. There's no way "forward" from that.
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>So really you’re just seething over Luke’s character being ruined.
Seething? Rey Palpatine is a garbage character. Whether I like or dislike Luke or Chewy or Pando or anything else has no bearing on the fact that Rey is an awful poorly written character who most people (young or old) deeply dislike or ignore.
Young people will more likely see Luke as the guy who saved the day in The Mandalorian and trained Grogu to be a Jedi as the only real new fans Disney Wars actually have are from The Mandalorian and not the laughable Sequel Trilogy.
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>if the post sequel films are not about Rey founding the NJO then what exactly are they supposed to be about? Are you just going to ignore it completely?
Yes. Jump into the far future with brand new characters in a new brand setting created competent writers with a string creative vision. Not another retread with a character no one likes. Kathleen had three movies to get people to care about Rey, she failed and it’s time to move on.
Didn't some anon find out this scene did a literal copy and paste of Rey & BB-8 from a still photo?
Imagine the final scene, grand finale of your billion dollar franchise film.. Only to use a digital copy and paste of a still photo.
Rey is pretty much a nothing character, just as shitty copy of Luke, you can’t redeem her unless you completely change everything about her. The fact they are doubling down on this and giving her Luke’s original destiny shows they haven’t learned a thing
they need a pr campaign that would make people stop associating star wars with disney and start associating it with people like filoni (I don't like the guy but a lot of sw fans do or at least think he's decent). so people would think "hmm, it's disney, BUT it was made by that guy who is shilled by everyone maybe I should give it a go"
Make a dark and gritty R rated New Jedi Order series adaptation
It would be kino seeing them fight the Yuuzhan Vong, which are like these big force immune aliens from outside the galaxy. All the battles would be cool and the story would be interesting
The only thing I really care about when it comes to Star Wars is KotOR. The remake is in development hell, and KotOR III is never happening, so whatever from my part.
> Remove all woke/girlbossness from the Ahsoka series.
> Cancel Dave Filoni's version of Heir to the Empire.
> Have Timothy Zahn write it instead as a 2 parter.
> Hyper faithful Knights of the Old Republic 2 parter.
> Get some competent non-woke directors like Brad Bird (iron giant, MI-ghost protocol) or the Russo Brothers for them.
> Dredd-ish R-Rated Boba Fett movie set in his prime. Never takes his mask off. Is treated like a slasher/terminator figure of pure terror for the underworld.
Introduce a “Multiverse” controlled by “The Ones”. (Thus re-canonizing the Legends Timeline, and other potential open timelines)
Re-cast the Big 3, and develop legitimate adaptations of the Thrawn Trilogy.
Allow creatives to decide what timeline they wish to produce content for. Energize the dwindling fan base by pushing contrived “Team Legends” vs “Team Disney” friendly fan duels (like the Yankees-Red Sox rivalry) to drum up broader interest
Hire a James Gunn/ Jon Favreau/ Kevin Feige type to be the Creative Director
Make things diverse (on both sides of the line) but don’t push “diversity” as your sole selling point or even bring it up, ever
Quietly re-establish Luke/Leia as the center of the SW Universe
Make good, thrilling, compelling content
Some combination of these should be utilized.
New leadership, better directors, a more unifying message, and quality faithful adaptations of the Thrawn Trilogy and Knights of The Old Republic, and NJO.
Introduce a “Multiverse” controlled by “The Ones”. (Thus re-canonizing the Legends Timeline, and other potential open timelines)
Re-cast the Big 3, and develop legitimate adaptations of the Thrawn Trilogy.
Allow creatives to decide what timeline they wish to produce content for. Energize the dwindling fan base by pushing contrived “Team Legends” vs “Team Disney” friendly fan duels (like the Yankees-Red Sox rivalry) to drum up broader interest
Hire a James Gunn/ Jon Favreau/ Kevin Feige type to be the Creative Director
Make things diverse (on both sides of the line) but don’t push “diversity” as your sole selling point or even bring it up, ever
Quietly re-establish Luke/Leia as the center of the SW Universe
Destroy Disney, leave it alone for a while, cancel all the subsidiary cartoon/TV crap that cheapens the brand. Get a talented writer and only start making movies when a decent script is done. All this won't happen.
There are still enough brainlets left who will watch this shit, but Disney failed to get a new generation into it so its value has dropped. Also, Disney is incompetent at pretty much everything they're currently doing. So yes, it can be made profitable, but Disney sure as frick is not going to be able to do it.
Lucas destroyed it with the prequels and Disney shit on the remains. Whatever you do to it from here on it, it's ruined. Lightsaber-fighting Yoda, Midichlorians, all the Disney shit, you can't undo it. It's over.
The Sequel trilogy unironically needs to be nuked from canon, it's a radioactive elephant foot that Yidsney is delusional enough to foreshadow in its shitty nuwars shows.
this, a story is only as good as its ending, just look at how GOT feels pointless to rewatch. doesn't matter how good rogue one/ andor/ clone wars/ ahsoka/ any other piece of new media or interregnum set piece of work they now crank out, it's all ultimately gonna culminate in. >I'm Rey Skywalker
Mostly this. The Big 3 ARE Star Wars. And worse than killing them off, Disney actively tried to diminish them. And ironically all that happened is that they diminished themselves in the process.
People all over the world now legitimately hate Bob Iger, JJ Abrams, and Kathleen Kennedy. And both the real Left and the fake corporate (Woke) left hate Bob Iger now too. He has no supporters, and the nonstop flops he’s produced have wrecked his business cred
Disney is having a run of shit releases that is equal/worse to the 70's directionless crapfest it produced. People thought it was the end of Disney when Tron flopped, but they learned and re-invented going into the 80's.
Guess it's just cyclical, but i doubt they can pull out of this tailspin.
They need to do a "legends" spinoff section where we get the Thrawn trilogy, Plagueis, Old republic, Vong etc all as they were established (with the few date retcons and stuff like that in Thrawn) in the books. That alone will get a lot of favour from star wars fans if they just copied the books and did them a decent amount of justice
The amount of copes here is telling. >Having to seperate Spiderman and Batman from the rest of their franchises >Including Mario like it counts as fantasy >Including walking dead and Harry Potter at all >Lord of the fricking rings
>Star Wars is in terrible shape
My brother in Christ you just tried to defend Lord of the Rings
Imagine still shilling Corporate Kathleen Kennedy Star Wars in 2023. And not only shilling it, but acting likes it’s still top dog. You need to lose your virginity.
This. Its like randomly bringing up Stargate or Farscape. In 10 years those one-off scifi shows will be remembered as Blake's 7 was in the 90s.
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Didn’t say it was alive, or popular. Only that it’s in better standing amongst its fans than Star Wars is amongst its own.
I qualified that it was less popular before I listed it.
Harry Potter is still pretty beloved amongst fans. Mario is about Castles, Princesses, Monsters, magic powers, etc. How the frick isn’t it a “fantasy”?
Star Wars is in terrible shape. The core fan base literally hates it
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SW fans universally love the OT, PT and the EU. Some of Mando is passable as well. Harry Potter hasn't had a movie since 2011.
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The core fan base hates Disney Star Wars (except maybe Mando 1&2 and Andor).
The older Star Wars will always remain well regarded, but the brand is just sinking rapidly these days
9 months ago
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>SW fans universally love the OT, PT and the EU. >
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RLMtards aren't fans
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>only people that agree with me and also love the taste of semen are fans
Give people what they want and yes, its possible. You could have a bunch of movies set about and using the old Legends/EU timeline. Vong War, NJO, Caedus Arc, Legacy, KOTOR, all of that would EASILY put butts into seats. When the MCU was basically copy and pasting comic book plots it was running on high, the same could've been true for Star Wars but Disney leadership is functionally moronic. You will have another Disney revival once people figure out woke doesn't sell.
In the absence of Space Race tier hype (and subsequent blue balling for another half century ...) no, it won't have the same impact. Same for the VFX leap (augmented reality/VR becoming actually impressive and adding something)
It will be milked for the next 100 years, probably more. Same goes for LotR. Only hope is for some billionaire to buy the rights just to prevent anyone from using the IP.
It would be easy to save just make things everyone wants: a Darth maul movie, an old republic movie, etc. they won’t because the people running Star Wars don’t understand what makes it appealing but it could easily be saved
>a Darth maul movie
darth maul is gay and has gay sex in the film
>an old republic movie,
trump administration allegory with trans protagonist
I have never understood Star Wars fans' obsessions with the obscene number of midquels that have been put out. I just fundamentally can't get interested in plots that are spoiled before they ever get shown.
It doesn't matter what the movie is about if they're the ones making it.
>can this franchise be salvaged or is it dead forever?
Yeah it can be salvaged. The setting is still a good one, its got aliens and monsters, space dogfights, gun fights, bounty hunters, space wizards, and laser sword fights. With all that its easy to write a good story in it, you just need good characters and unfortunately the Disney trilogy squandered all the good characters from the original trilogy and replaced them with boring trash. So all that needs to be done is get some decent writers who understand the classic myths and tropes Lucas built the franchise on and can create characters the audience will actually like. The formula still works, Disney just has to obey it rather than trying to reinvent it into some preachy agenda pushing nonsense.
Um...sweetie...
If Iger sells it off to the japanese, they can almost 100% salvage anything.
>everyone is smiling cept KK and the black haired b***h on the right
if I knew where she lived I'd take one for the team and take her out
The problem isn't just the writers. The whole chain of command has to go. KK having no say on who will replace her is fundamental too.
Sequels radically underperformed against the Prequels (gee, a decade of Shadows of the Empire multimedia prep sure did the trick huh), and clearly Lucas was the secret sauce. Suits proactively in denial is self-serving face-saving, but deep down they have to know.
The Sequels radically underperformed the OT as well. A New Hope made just about as much as all 3 “sequels” combined and did so on a much lower budget (even adjusting said budget for inflation).
The Sequels were a massive underperformer with the sole exception of TFA
It's been dead since 1983.
It would take a very skilled writer to do so. Disney simply don't have the capability - they make movies for 5 year olds and morons.
They make movies for Blackrock and The Vanguard group. They want “5 year olds and morons” dead.
its time for cinema to end
Star Wars needs to die so cinema industry can be kino again. Disney is our ally not our enemy.
Let me put it this way: I just recently discovered an ongoing Star Wars vs. 40k fanfic audiobook on Youtube a few weeks ago. Listening to it was more fun than anything Star Wars has made in the last fifteen years.
You cannot salvage Star Wars in its current form at this poinT. Ending the entire series with "lol actually Anakin/Darth Vader never fricking mattered and the prophecy referred to this Mary Sue nobody who'd steal Luke Skywalker's name after his death" cemented that. You'd have to engage in the dreaded reboots, and just like that you've cut expectations for what your new Star Wars will be in half.
The magic is dead. Remember the good times, make your own original IP and move on.
The prophecy was unfathomably moronic to begin with. Rey just highlights what reasonable people already knew.
Prophecies are part of ALL fantasy works. Their presence and ambiguity add depth, conflict, and layers to a story. There was absolutely nothing wrong with having Prophecies in Star Wars. It was to be expected and it was handled fine.
Rey Palpatine and the Corporate Soft-Reboot are what really destroyed Star Wars. Until Disney faces this they are just going to be throwing good money after bad as their declining asset dwindles into the ether
>Prophecies are part of ALL fantasy works.
That doesn't mean all prophecies are created equal or serve the same function anymore than the works themselves are equal. This prophecy was utterly brain-dead and tacked on.
Nah, it worked fine. It was kept just ambiguous enough to serve the story but not control it
There's nothing ambiguous about it. It's so unambiguous that its only real contribution is reminding the audience how ROTJ ends and to needlessly puff up Darth Vader's importance. The prophecy's significance itself also doesn't really make a lot of sense given the setting, and funnily enough Anakin himself in AOTC and ROTS is a good example of why.
Brainlet take.
The leading Jedi in the PT seem to constantly debate the Prophecy’s meaning and significance and overall legitimacy and their confusion over it’s true meaning causes the Council to make decisions they wouldn’t ordinarily make.
Only towards the end does Yoda realize the prophecy may actually point to the end of the Jedi Order itself. Luke and Leia’s heroics in the OT are then amplified as is Anakin’s eventual return to the light in “fulfillment of the scriptures”
However the fact that the prophecy may be largely myth, ….but the fact that it still occurred as predicted is ironic
It works fine. Luke was always meant to be King Arthur anyway
>Brainlet take.
Zzzzzz. The prequelteen is already getting uppity.
>confusion over it’s true meaning causes the Council to make decisions they wouldn’t ordinarily make.
Does it? They hardly mention it. Qui-Gon takes an interest in him, and Obi-Wan decides to train him because of Qui-Gon, OT be damned, but aside from that it rarely comes up. Obi-Wan briefly brings it up in ROTS to justify everyone making stupid choices despite everybody otherwise rightfully being skeptical of Anakin's judgment. The rest is just the characters being strung along by the plo--I mean, Palpatine.
>the prophecy may be largely myth
Nothing suggests it's myth, though. Anakin's power is maximum (his sperm count is even higher than Yoda's!! Woah!!!!!) and he's miraculously born without a Y chromosome (though luckily the Force gave him a few extra chromosomes to make up for it, judging by his behavior). Likewise, the surface reading of the prophecy is right: Anakin is the Chosen One, and he did fulfill the prophecy -- just in a roundabout way that made use of dramatic irony and youngling murder along the way.
>It works fine.
The finality of the prophecy never made any sense.
>66
The Prophecy was fulfilled not because of strict Jedi Dogma, or adherence to ancient creed but because a son loved his father. No matter the cost, a son loved and forgave his father.
The power and beauty and literary significance of that ending has been destroyed by corporate bigots and low-talent affirmative action hires
>The Prophecy was fulfilled not because of strict Jedi Dogma, or adherence to ancient creed but because a son loved his father. No matter the cost, a son loved and forgave his father.
Prophecies being fulfilled in surprising ways is usually how they work. In this case it's just surprising to the characters alone and not the audience.
>The power and beauty and literary significance of that ending has been destroyed by corporate bigots
It was doomed regardless, if you consider the treatments Lucas sold to Disney.
They need to make a really good Rey movie so that the sequel trilogy is recontextualised and salvaged in the eyes of future generations, which is no small feat.
How would they even do that?
I’ve not read them but I think reconfiguring the Jedi Academy trilogy by Kevin J. Anderson would be quite straightforward. Would be cozy, family-friendly, and could really build upon Rey’s character. You could just set it exclusively on Yavin 4 to isolate it from everything else. Would just be Rey training the next generation of Jedi. I think the villain of those books was the spirit of Exar Kun, an ancient Sith Lord. Would be pretty kino.
Like how people tolerate episodes one and two to eventually get to the half-baked but enjoyable episode three, so to will they sit through the sequel trilogy. It will just be a general malaise people sit through before kino. Remember, future generations will just view the sequel trilogy with apathy as they have no connection to the legacy characters or any recollection of how they were viewed before the sequels. TLJ Luke is their Luke and it will be all they ever know. I think TLJ will be the most rehabilitated film of the lot and become the ROTS of the sequels. TFA and TROS are still shit but it’s something.
>Like how people tolerate episodes one and two to eventually get to the half-baked but enjoyable episode three
I don't care for ROTS either, though. It's barely better than AOTC.
>They need to make a really good Rey movie
I don't think this is impossible, but I don't think it would rehabilitate the sequels anymore than TCW or whatever saved the prequels.
LOL. Rey is already a failed character. Doubling down on her theft of Luke’s story, character, and achievements is just going to make her more disliked and controversial
And yet doubling down on Rey and trying to salvage her character is the best option. She is the face of the franchise now whether you like it or not, you can’t just ignore her and create whatever random R-rated spin-offs and multiverse concepts you want.
>She is the face of the franchise now whether you like it or not,
No, she’s not. She is no more the face of Star Wars than Captain Marvel is the face of Marvel. Just because a corporation pushes a character really hard doesn’t mean that the audience accepts or supports him/her, buys their merch, or views them as the flagship,
Vader, Luke/Leia, Grogu/ Din, Ahsoka are all the true faces of the franchise to the fandom. Nobody cares about Rey Palpatine
>Just because a corporation pushes a character really hard doesn’t mean that the audience accepts or supports him/her, buys their merch, or views them as the flagship,
And yet you’ve elevated Baby Yoda and the Mando guy in the same pedestal as Vader, Luke, and Leia for some reason. A rehabilitation of her character is definitely possible and is the correct way to go. You can’t just retcon the sequels. I don’t like Rey either but it makes sense.
>A rehabilitation of her character is definitely possible and is the correct way to go. You can’t just retcon the sequels. I don’t like Rey either but it makes sense.
You can’t rehabilitate her character at this point, and Kennedy/ Disney & Co (sounds like an Irish Law Firm) have no intention of doing so. At all. It’s perfect girl boss all the way down.
They are Quadrupling down on Rey being the flawless savior and founder of the NJO. That’s not rehab, idiot. That’s reiteration
Nobody is writing about what Lucasfilm intends to do. This is all hypothetical. I’m saying that the best scenario is that Lucasfilm makes a good Rey film because they can rehabilitate her character by making her more complex and nuanced, and depicting the difficulties she faces creating a NJO. Lucasfilm will probably do the opposite but that isn’t what is being discussed.
And if the post sequel films are not about Rey founding the NJO then what exactly are they supposed to be about? Are you just going to ignore it completely?
The NJO is Luke’s story and Luke’s destiny. That needs to be reestablished.
There is no fricking reason that a story that takes place over 40,000 years potentially involving trillions of life forms needs to have only one destiny that somehow needs to be awkwardly transplanted to a despised corporate knock-off and there is nothing else that she can do besides steal, steal, and steal.
Give her her own fricking shit. Stop stealing other people’s shit. It’s the very reason why the ENTIRE planet either hates Rey or doesn’t care at all. She’s not authentic, original, or compelling.
She’s nothing.
But what else would Rey be doing? Why wouldn't Rey eventually take on students?
So really you’re just seething over Luke’s character being ruined. I get that. But that doesn’t really matter anymore from a business perspective. It is done. Kids will see Luke as a doddering old failure and Rey as the founder of the NJO. If Star Wars wants to have some kind of future Lucasfilm should move forward with this instead of retconning or pretending it didn’t happen. You can complain all you want about it but that is what needs to happen.
No one cares about Mouseslop
confirmed, the sequels are SW for people who hate SW. There's no way "forward" from that.
>So really you’re just seething over Luke’s character being ruined.
Seething? Rey Palpatine is a garbage character. Whether I like or dislike Luke or Chewy or Pando or anything else has no bearing on the fact that Rey is an awful poorly written character who most people (young or old) deeply dislike or ignore.
Young people will more likely see Luke as the guy who saved the day in The Mandalorian and trained Grogu to be a Jedi as the only real new fans Disney Wars actually have are from The Mandalorian and not the laughable Sequel Trilogy.
>if the post sequel films are not about Rey founding the NJO then what exactly are they supposed to be about? Are you just going to ignore it completely?
Yes. Jump into the far future with brand new characters in a new brand setting created competent writers with a string creative vision. Not another retread with a character no one likes. Kathleen had three movies to get people to care about Rey, she failed and it’s time to move on.
Didn't some anon find out this scene did a literal copy and paste of Rey & BB-8 from a still photo?
Imagine the final scene, grand finale of your billion dollar franchise film.. Only to use a digital copy and paste of a still photo.
Franchise is fricking dead.
Rey is pretty much a nothing character, just as shitty copy of Luke, you can’t redeem her unless you completely change everything about her. The fact they are doubling down on this and giving her Luke’s original destiny shows they haven’t learned a thing
I'd respect them more if everything Disney has done is non canon and they just try fresh with 100% different leadership
they need a pr campaign that would make people stop associating star wars with disney and start associating it with people like filoni (I don't like the guy but a lot of sw fans do or at least think he's decent). so people would think "hmm, it's disney, BUT it was made by that guy who is shilled by everyone maybe I should give it a go"
The Disney-AI will save it.
Make a dark and gritty R rated New Jedi Order series adaptation
It would be kino seeing them fight the Yuuzhan Vong, which are like these big force immune aliens from outside the galaxy. All the battles would be cool and the story would be interesting
It can only be saved by filming the following trilogies:
Heir to the Empire trilogy
Dark Forces trilogy
The only thing I really care about when it comes to Star Wars is KotOR. The remake is in development hell, and KotOR III is never happening, so whatever from my part.
Very salvageable. We will have to wait for the current clown world zeitgeist to end but it will be back.
It was intentionally destroyed. It can easily be revived by someone who genuinely wants to make a good film, but this won’t happen.
Serious answer.
> Cancel the Rey movie.
> Cancel the Mangold first Jedi movie.
> Remove all woke/girlbossness from the Ahsoka series.
> Cancel Dave Filoni's version of Heir to the Empire.
> Have Timothy Zahn write it instead as a 2 parter.
> Hyper faithful Knights of the Old Republic 2 parter.
> Get some competent non-woke directors like Brad Bird (iron giant, MI-ghost protocol) or the Russo Brothers for them.
> Dredd-ish R-Rated Boba Fett movie set in his prime. Never takes his mask off. Is treated like a slasher/terminator figure of pure terror for the underworld.
Some combination of these should be utilized.
New leadership, better directors, a more unifying message, and quality faithful adaptations of the Thrawn Trilogy and Knights of The Old Republic, and NJO.
Ditch Kathleen Kennedy.
Name a figurehead female CEO like Anne Sweeney
Introduce a “Multiverse” controlled by “The Ones”. (Thus re-canonizing the Legends Timeline, and other potential open timelines)
Re-cast the Big 3, and develop legitimate adaptations of the Thrawn Trilogy.
Allow creatives to decide what timeline they wish to produce content for. Energize the dwindling fan base by pushing contrived “Team Legends” vs “Team Disney” friendly fan duels (like the Yankees-Red Sox rivalry) to drum up broader interest
Hire a James Gunn/ Jon Favreau/ Kevin Feige type to be the Creative Director
Make things diverse (on both sides of the line) but don’t push “diversity” as your sole selling point or even bring it up, ever
Quietly re-establish Luke/Leia as the center of the SW Universe
Make good, thrilling, compelling content
>re-canonizing the Legends Timeline
Lucas said EU was never canon. Cope.
Lucas also said the Sequel Trilogy isn’t canon. So go fricking Cope on that
Destroy Disney, leave it alone for a while, cancel all the subsidiary cartoon/TV crap that cheapens the brand. Get a talented writer and only start making movies when a decent script is done. All this won't happen.
>revan show
>bastila shan show
>kotor trilogy
make it so
Disney was moronic and diluted the franchise by releasing a movie every year. It would be like having a world cup every year. It would lose its value
There are still enough brainlets left who will watch this shit, but Disney failed to get a new generation into it so its value has dropped. Also, Disney is incompetent at pretty much everything they're currently doing. So yes, it can be made profitable, but Disney sure as frick is not going to be able to do it.
its been dead since 1983, time to stop posting about it
Lucas destroyed it with the prequels and Disney shit on the remains. Whatever you do to it from here on it, it's ruined. Lightsaber-fighting Yoda, Midichlorians, all the Disney shit, you can't undo it. It's over.
The Sequel trilogy unironically needs to be nuked from canon, it's a radioactive elephant foot that Yidsney is delusional enough to foreshadow in its shitty nuwars shows.
this, a story is only as good as its ending, just look at how GOT feels pointless to rewatch. doesn't matter how good rogue one/ andor/ clone wars/ ahsoka/ any other piece of new media or interregnum set piece of work they now crank out, it's all ultimately gonna culminate in.
>I'm Rey Skywalker
This is the only way it can be salvaged, but they won't do it.
star wars is good at two things
-normal television (NOT streaming miniseries)
-video games
everything else should stop
It died with the deaths of Han, Leia, and Luke.
It died when The Phantom Menace was released and the concept of Midichlorians was introduced
>It died with the deaths of Han, Leia, and Luke.
Mostly this. The Big 3 ARE Star Wars. And worse than killing them off, Disney actively tried to diminish them. And ironically all that happened is that they diminished themselves in the process.
People all over the world now legitimately hate Bob Iger, JJ Abrams, and Kathleen Kennedy. And both the real Left and the fake corporate (Woke) left hate Bob Iger now too. He has no supporters, and the nonstop flops he’s produced have wrecked his business cred
Disney is having a run of shit releases that is equal/worse to the 70's directionless crapfest it produced. People thought it was the end of Disney when Tron flopped, but they learned and re-invented going into the 80's.
Guess it's just cyclical, but i doubt they can pull out of this tailspin.
>rey
>face of the franchise
Not gonna do your job for you, disney
Slap a Legends label on the Sequel trilogy.
Release the despecialized editions.
Public caning of KK.
as shrimple as that.
It is dead, as long as it is in the hands of Disney and KK.
Dead. Let it die ffs.
not as long as Disney controls it
They need to do a "legends" spinoff section where we get the Thrawn trilogy, Plagueis, Old republic, Vong etc all as they were established (with the few date retcons and stuff like that in Thrawn) in the books. That alone will get a lot of favour from star wars fans if they just copied the books and did them a decent amount of justice
>can this franchise be salvaged or is it dead forever?
it can be salvaged, but it has to be sold off from Disney. Same with Marvel too.
They were never good with male brands.
Star Wars is unironically in a better position than almost every other fantasy Hollywood franchise.
Lol, lmao even.
Okay, go ahead and name some
Spiderman
Game of Thrones: House of The Dragon
Harry Potter
Mario Bros
Avatar
Walking Dead
Batman
Less popular but far better respected:
The Expanse
Battlestar Galactica
Babylon 5
Original Lord of The Rings
I mean, Star Wars is in terrible shape, shill
The amount of copes here is telling.
>Having to seperate Spiderman and Batman from the rest of their franchises
>Including Mario like it counts as fantasy
>Including walking dead and Harry Potter at all
>Lord of the fricking rings
>Star Wars is in terrible shape
My brother in Christ you just tried to defend Lord of the Rings
Holy COPE, shill.
Imagine still shilling Corporate Kathleen Kennedy Star Wars in 2023. And not only shilling it, but acting likes it’s still top dog. You need to lose your virginity.
mfs will say Star Wars is dead and then site Babylon 5 as a franchise that's alive and well
This. Its like randomly bringing up Stargate or Farscape. In 10 years those one-off scifi shows will be remembered as Blake's 7 was in the 90s.
Didn’t say it was alive, or popular. Only that it’s in better standing amongst its fans than Star Wars is amongst its own.
I qualified that it was less popular before I listed it.
Harry Potter is still pretty beloved amongst fans. Mario is about Castles, Princesses, Monsters, magic powers, etc. How the frick isn’t it a “fantasy”?
Star Wars is in terrible shape. The core fan base literally hates it
SW fans universally love the OT, PT and the EU. Some of Mando is passable as well. Harry Potter hasn't had a movie since 2011.
The core fan base hates Disney Star Wars (except maybe Mando 1&2 and Andor).
The older Star Wars will always remain well regarded, but the brand is just sinking rapidly these days
>SW fans universally love the OT, PT and the EU.
>
RLMtards aren't fans
>only people that agree with me and also love the taste of semen are fans
Stranger Things
Its dead.
Myself I embrace Legends canon only, and ignore Ashoka as best I can.
It should stay dead because disney destroyed its corpse beyond belief. Too bad it won't because SW's appeals to fricking everyone.
Give people what they want and yes, its possible. You could have a bunch of movies set about and using the old Legends/EU timeline. Vong War, NJO, Caedus Arc, Legacy, KOTOR, all of that would EASILY put butts into seats. When the MCU was basically copy and pasting comic book plots it was running on high, the same could've been true for Star Wars but Disney leadership is functionally moronic. You will have another Disney revival once people figure out woke doesn't sell.
Soft Reboot = Death. Goodbye, Star Wars.
It's dead until it can stay out of theaters for 10 years, gets sold and rebooted entirely.
They should get Nasu to write it. Saber Wars 2 was actually really fun.
George should've never made the prequels. Just let it rest. Make another space adventure franchise without all the baggage.
In the absence of Space Race tier hype (and subsequent blue balling for another half century ...) no, it won't have the same impact. Same for the VFX leap (augmented reality/VR becoming actually impressive and adding something)
Dead