>Now he's a generic twink.
That's what the target audience wants and that's why Tim's book flopped into oblivion. Had they gotten the artist who did Tim's pride oneshot or Travis Moore his book probably would've lasted closer to 18 issues like Batgirls.
Ironically Rossmo might have been a better fit for Batgirls (a bit of a legacy Steph & Cass artist, and not-Steph!Sparrow is the only character who looks good in that book), while any of the BGs artists probably would have been better received for Tim.
Tim is sucking wieners and playing swords now. If it's Rosenberg's will, Steph is for Jason now, a terrible fate, I know. The hope of Steph's fans is that Williamson wants to get Jason and Rose together, poor girl, so he's not going to let that happen. In the end, no matter what the scenario, a girl will meet a terrible fate.
>If it's Rosenberg's will, Steph is for Jason now
Stop with this autism already, just because two characters interact, it doesn't mean they're going to frick.
>Steph is for Jason now
Which is completely fricking random. Those two have never particularly liked each other, let alone been “friends.” Even as recently as the Robins book, the only acknowledgment Jason had for her was “and why should we listen to what Cluemaster Jr. has to say?”
Steph just happens to be the nicest one of the Bat-Family, so she's there to contrast Jason's violent autism, there's NO romance going on except for Cinemaphile anons writing their fanfiction.
Yeah
I remember riding my bike to 7-11 as a kid
Picking up the latest issue of a comic book
Thinking to myself
"This comic needs more wienersucking in it"
Wait
I never thought that
Steph is an ugly reminder of the past. Tim has blossomed into a beautiful man-loving butterfly. He doesn't need to be treated as a prop to Stephanie anymore.
>will pairing these useless no-draw shit characters finally make them able to sell a book?
No. coomers will just dl them. Serious Batgay collectors know they are worthless. (they'll bag #1 of course).
>Steph is for Jason now
Which is completely fricking random. Those two have never particularly liked each other, let alone been “friends.” Even as recently as the Robins book, the only acknowledgment Jason had for her was “and why should we listen to what Cluemaster Jr. has to say?”
>They ARE just friends anon
Not much better. “Steph’s friendly!” isn’t really enough to justify putting the two characters together in *any* amicable context when they’ve historically shown little more than disdainful tolerance towards each other. Obviously there’s always been a lot of potential for an interesting connection, but if you wanna make them friends now, you have to actually fricking write that happening.
I don't think the situation is how fans are painting it. Fans complain that Rosenberg pulled an entire friendship between Steph and Jason out of the blue, but they're not even friends. The point of Task Force Z is that Jason doesn't really have friends, and he never honestly reaches out to someone whom he could rely on. Steph explicitly forces her way into the story because she's hilariously nosy and was snooping through the mail, not because Jason ever called her. Steph calls herself "your old pal Steph", but that feels tongue-in-cheek like she's joking about how they're actually not all that close.
The story of Task Force Z is about characters lying to each other and hiding their motivations. Sometimes they're obviously sarcastic, and sometimes it's a surprise twist.
Steph has made friends with Damian and Klarion and Anarky, and her now-famous bond with Tim had the roughest start possible. She has a talent for befriending outcasts and ruffians and hostile parties, having been treated as one herself. I agree it's a weakness that Steph's motivations weren't made more explicit in TFZ. Her actions in TFZ make sense for her character, but her empathy for Jason needed more explanation. Overall TFZ was hurt by not having any non-digetic narration, which made all the moving parts and references difficult to follow.
Between “WOW YOU’RE HOT ZATANNA” and [...] I’d say it’s quietly a thing in the comics at this point as well. Well, quieter than Tim’s big coming out parade anyway.
Bisexual or bicurious or not, Steph simply has excellent taste in lovely ladies.
But her appreciation for Catwoman and Zatanna does make Steph's lustless cutesy gal-pal affection for sexy goth hard-body Cass all the more glaringly non-sexual. It should dampen shippers' hopes for Steph/Cass.
That's a good and thorough breakdown (and kek'd at the filename). Honestly my issue was less with TFZ, where it's clear they're still feeling out a dynamic (even if Steph's touchiness makes it come off overly familiar), and more with the follow-up in Joker TMWSL. "Your only friend" is just... way too much, even if you wanna call it more ironic than not. Just seems like a role that just would have made more sense for Babs, if her schedule had literally any room for it. Or hell, even Tim (never liked the New 52 randomly insisting they were friends either, but at least that had a reboot as an excuse).
The DCeased suit takes some nice liberties. The black leggings + red boots is pretty striking, makes me wonder if they should've just gone full TNBA with it.
Dropped plot thread. Time skip, Damian dies in a heroic sacrifice, and the story ends. Steph and Damian never reunite, her fate is never resolved.
Tim is sucking wieners and playing swords now. If it's Rosenberg's will, Steph is for Jason now, a terrible fate, I know. The hope of Steph's fans is that Williamson wants to get Jason and Rose together, poor girl, so he's not going to let that happen. In the end, no matter what the scenario, a girl will meet a terrible fate.
Steph has no indication of getting shipped with any Robins any time soon--also I don't get the meme that girl characters are uniquely mistreated when being paired with Jason. He's barely had any romance. Bruce, Dick, and Tim frankly have much worse track records when it comes to their love interests being trashed or written out.
Steph fans and Tim fans usually agree that the Batgirl and Red Robin era was a high point for them, and they were very much broken up and not close to getting back together at that time. Being paired with Tim doesn't always correlate with success for Steph, and vice-versa for Tim. A good run is about having the right creative team and timing.
11 months ago
Anonymous
>also I don't get the meme that girl characters are uniquely mistreated when being paired with Jason. He's barely had any romance.
I think it's more of an extension of the Babs-is-the-Batbicycle meme. History tells us that if Steph starts getting paired up with another Batboy, the ball's not gonna stop rolling there. Within ten years she'll have either fricked or friendzoned all of them.
11 months ago
Anonymous
If your history model is only based on one character then it isn't a very good model.
>Steph coaches Damian and Maps during their very first intercourse >It was awkward as hell, but not a bad experience the two teens agreed >”And now you guys should be fine doing it on your own. Whew that brings back memories. I got pregnant in the same position as you Mia!” >Both Maps and Damian blushes and stares at each other silently, only now realizing they’ve been doing it bareback
Man I wish we didn’t already have a prolonged war going on right now over who gets to be Robin, because Maps is great and I need 10x more of her. Guess she could do the Robin’s-Robin thing that Tim and Sparrow having going on.
I kinda have a hard time seeing it, at least from a design standpoint. A female Robin can lean more androgynous, but pretty much every time we've seen a Batgirl without flowing hair (Cass/Helena, Nissa) it's meant to communicate how tough and Batmanish she is, which ain't Maps.
But I suppose now that Steph is running around in the Spoiler hood getting called Batgirl, the possibilities have opened up a bit. I *could* see Maps possibly pull off the Murphy Batgirl domino-slash-bat-eared-headband thing, maybe in yellow.
Honestly I find it a more enjoyable dynamic in some ways than the Tim and Steph of ye olde Robin '93. Mainly because when you drop the romance element, you also drop all the condescending "STOP BEING A SUPERHERO I KNOW BETTER AND I LOVE YOU TOO MUCH" drivel.
11 months ago
Anonymous
The romance part was the key for me. Without it its just bland, there's no chemistry here.
11 months ago
Anonymous
Honestly I find it a more enjoyable dynamic in some ways than the Tim and Steph of ye olde Robin '93. Mainly because when you drop the romance element, you also drop all the condescending "STOP BEING A SUPERHERO I KNOW BETTER AND I LOVE YOU TOO MUCH" drivel.
that's why I really liked the post Dixon/pre Willingham era of TimSteph where they were a couple and worked well with each other, with Tim not pushing her to quit even if the Birds and Batman fired her. They just worked well together and even though they had some ups and downs were mature enough to eventually trust each other enough to talk it through.
I just really liked Tim and steph as partners, if not for the dissolution of their relationship I'd have been all over a Tim and Steph book where they fight crime together, but it's not to be.
11 months ago
Anonymous
One day. One day.
11 months ago
Anonymous
See
>Steph is for Tim
Steph is an ugly reminder of the past. Tim has blossomed into a beautiful man-loving butterfly. He doesn't need to be treated as a prop to Stephanie anymore.
11 months ago
Anonymous
Bernard is a fad.
11 months ago
Anonymous
>Bernard is a fad.
Like Steph was? 😉
>Steph is for Tim
Steph is an ugly reminder of the past. Tim has blossomed into a beautiful man-loving butterfly. He doesn't need to be treated as a prop to Stephanie anymore.
11 months ago
Anonymous
>animated TimSteph never ever
I know it's not the best received run here but I thought the Tynion run would've made a great basis for a batfamily movie and introducing those characters if they ever adapted it as a DTV series.
11 months ago
Anonymous
The problem is Sparrow is just a nothing character. Another plucky heroine, this time, disabled I guess?
11 months ago
Anonymous
She’s nothing special but she serves her purpose. Book would probably be even worse without her, if it’s possible. And I’m partial to a purple-hooded blonde, what can I say. At least Sparrow knows exactly what she is, whereas Bluebird has delusions of actually being her own character who should supersede Steph.
Basically every interaction between Steph and Harper point to them getting together. She straight up says she thinks of Turner as s brother and Brody is barely in the show.
Steph may not be interested in Harper, but Harper is definitely interested in Steph, and I doubt they'll leave Harper alone by the end, so yeah, I can see it.
>I doubt they'll leave Harper alone by the end
Why? Isn't she stuck as Punchline's loser antagonist hero? That doesn't sound like a prestige position for the character.
11 months ago
Anonymous
Gotham Knights is literally fanfiction, I'm not talking about the comics.
11 months ago
Anonymous
Oh yeah, GK is that WB dead-Batman show that doesn't even have Dick.
She *would have* been the only thing I watched it for, but they pretty much lost my interest when they made her Oracle-lite in favor of comprising the actual team of complete fricking losers with even less claim-to-fame than her. (And Carrie.)
I hate that 4 of the main characters have hero identities and costumes and not one of them is using them. What's the point of this show even being in the DC universe.
>Tim goes to visit their apartment and a wave of girl-stink washes over him. >Dishes in the sink, used panties all over the floor. >He finds the two of them in their darkened bedroom both immersed in TOTK, Cass on the cracked TV, Steph using her switch handheld. >He tells them their place is disgusting and should be cleaned. They grunt and tell him to get on it. >Tim sighs and starts picking up after them.
>They used up all their clean clothes, so now they're just going naked. >Tim has to clean the apartment while they sit around nude and smelling.
>Uh-uh, not like that. Put on the outfit- >I am not wearing that! >You wore the Drake costume! you have no excuse! >This place is disgusting, how do you even live like thi- >*Steph slingshots a pair of thoroughly worn panties at his face* >those need washing, too >*cass removes her own and flings them at him as well >don't see why we have to wear these if we have to keep washing them. >That's just the rules of this fricked up society we have to live in >We live in a society? >Sadly yes, gamers rise up >Can't you guys just like..make a bin of used clothes ot something at least >Sounds like a you problem.. maid costume now- >Can you at least put a sheet on the couch? Oh god your sweaty butt water must be all over those cushions >Does it matter? you're not buying the sale anyway.
>Hey, I know you quit pussy, but can you please put some effort into this? >Ow! I'd try but- Ow! Cass keeps kicking her legs on my back >She's probably just upset she lost the last round >pff. His technique is weak. Not even using his nose, doesn't press the feel good button. Pathetic. You'll put her to sleep like that. >Do you have to criticize this? I don't have to- >yes you do.
11 months ago
Anonymous
>Harper comes over, sees what's going on and joins Cass and Steph on the couch, waiting her turn for Tim to get licking.
11 months ago
Anonymous
>Jesus, Tim, move over. You eat pussy like an amateur. Watch and learn from a pro.
11 months ago
Anonymous
Tim works well as a maid with no bottoms and a remote controlled buttplug
>Everytime Tim starts to slow down they turn it on. >Barbara comes over and the girls turn towards her and Tim looks up from Steph's pussy, her cum dripping from his face. >Girls, what are you doing to Tim? >He's paying me back for the way he broke up with me as our live-in maid. >I dont know anything about that. Just want by pussy ate by pretty boy. >Join us, Babs!! >Oh fine, but I'm looking for something a little different. Tim, get over here.
11 months ago
Anonymous
>Looks like my girls have done a good job of breaking their pet in. All you need is a collar, don't you Timmy? >mmrph! mrrph! >Cass, make sure you keep his head steady, I don't want him coming up for air. Boys need to learn their place, right? >Aw, can I still milk him? He's twitching and throbbing so much, it's adorable! >Fine, I know you're soft on the boy. But make sure you put it in a bowl so he can lick it up when he's finished >Mm I bet if I turn the settings on up a little more he'll REALLY bust >He's struggling..like a b***h >Pull his hair and spit in his face. It's the only way to make sure he learns. And Steph, not too enthusiastic on the milking, I don't want him to cum so quick. We take it nice and slow-I've had a long week and I need a good rimming. Oh and girls, I've already the camera I put in here recording, but feel free to take any pics of bird boi for your spank bank >*SPANK* >Very good Steph! Lets make that pretty butt of his nice and red...
11 months ago
Anonymous
Tim is constantly being abused by the Batgirls. You'd think he'd stop going over to their apartment, but he's addicted to being their fricktoy slave.
11 months ago
Anonymous
Yeah right.
Tim smokes wiener now anon. Get used to it.
>Tim goes to visit their apartment and a wave of girl-stink washes over him. >Dishes in the sink, used panties all over the floor. >He finds the two of them in their darkened bedroom both immersed in TOTK, Cass on the cracked TV, Steph using her switch handheld. >He tells them their place is disgusting and should be cleaned. They grunt and tell him to get on it. >Tim sighs and starts picking up after them.
>They used up all their clean clothes, so now they're just going naked. >Tim has to clean the apartment while they sit around nude and smelling.
[...]
[...] >Uh-uh, not like that. Put on the outfit- >I am not wearing that! >You wore the Drake costume! you have no excuse! >This place is disgusting, how do you even live like thi- >*Steph slingshots a pair of thoroughly worn panties at his face* >those need washing, too >*cass removes her own and flings them at him as well >don't see why we have to wear these if we have to keep washing them. >That's just the rules of this fricked up society we have to live in >We live in a society? >Sadly yes, gamers rise up >Can't you guys just like..make a bin of used clothes ot something at least >Sounds like a you problem.. maid costume now- >Can you at least put a sheet on the couch? Oh god your sweaty butt water must be all over those cushions >Does it matter? you're not buying the sale anyway.
>Harper comes over, sees what's going on and joins Cass and Steph on the couch, waiting her turn for Tim to get licking.
I'm currently watching a steph fan get mad about her not being in that spirit world mini and it's funny how they're trying to phrase the batgirls comic as being pointless if these two girls aren't tied by the waist.
As a Stephgay, why the hell would she be? First of all it’s a *good* thing Steph and Cass occasionally get to do some shit as independent characters, and secondly it’s not like she’s ever been much of a spiritual character.
>First of all it’s a *good* thing Steph and Cass occasionally get to do some shit as independent characters
The entire reason I thought the dude complaining was funny is from this mentality. Like... they aren't that tied together. Even during their team-up book (with barb) they were both appearing regularly in different books. Yeah they were also appearing together alot, but that's what happens in this scenario. It'd be like complaining about barb appearing with canary/huntress or green arrow/black canary standing next to each other in a JL comic.
Cass is in a cartoon right now, steph is in a tv show, both get solo stories in regular comics and that webtoon. A stephgay crying because she has no appearances lined up while cass does and trying to use batgirls as an excuse is funny.
"Why did batgirls tie these two characters at the waist if they weren't gonna drag steph along" Idk, maybe they didn't "tie these two characters at the waist" and people are just being weird.
Charitably it might be some leftover paranoia at the Didio years when he was trying to pit their fanbases against each other by presenting them as an either/or to sabotage sales and reception. Also it's Babs; she's never been called Barb.
It’s honestly incredible Steph *ever* got to be Batgirl with ole Dan at the helm, short-lived as it was. I get Gail Simone staged a mutiny or whatever to keep Oracle, but with the lengths of censorship he was going to just a few years later to scrub her character from memory, surprising that that even bought 2 more years.
Allegedly his way of thinking was characters became toxic due to fan response getting too bitter. But so publicly making it obvious they weren't letting her be used at all only made things worse.
I think he was disappointed that the Steph Batgirl series didn't do better, but it was massively hampered by not launching alongside the other Batman reborn books. Like if you weren't super plugged in or a new reader at the time, I don't think people even realized there WAS a new Batgirl. Even in other books she barely featured.
11 months ago
Anonymous
>Allegedly his way of thinking was characters became toxic due to fan response getting too bitter.
I can kinda get that thinking. There’s a lot of people even now who have been reading Batgirls and hating every minute of it, only out of sunk cost fallacy. In that way, he’s right — Steph and Cass are incredibly toxic characters whose long-term fans have mostly negative things to say at this point. But, y’know, people wouldn’t be so jaded if DC hadn’t mistreated the characters for years even before erasing them. And joked about it.
11 months ago
Anonymous
As a Steph fan, I actually do find the power tool joke kinda funny since it's clearly meant to be in dark humor with a character known for meta humor. In particular I think that's meant to be a reference to the outcry over Black Mask getting a figure with the power tools he tortured Steph with. I was upset only because the power tools got a toy before steph(still no classic Spoiler figure, sadly.)
I get why they'd be upset by the vocal fans, but at the same time I don't think it makes sense to punish fans who weren't at a convention and got into a shouting match with Dan Didio. Realistically, there's probably way more upset fans of other characters, they just aren't as vocal. Bu it's reflected in those fans not engaging, period, and just dropping off. No complaining, no outcry, just...not there visibly online.
11 months ago
Anonymous
>Allegedly his way of thinking was characters became toxic due to fan response getting too bitter.
I can kinda get that thinking. There’s a lot of people even now who have been reading Batgirls and hating every minute of it, only out of sunk cost fallacy. In that way, he’s right — Steph and Cass are incredibly toxic characters whose long-term fans have mostly negative things to say at this point. But, y’know, people wouldn’t be so jaded if DC hadn’t mistreated the characters for years even before erasing them. And joked about it.
That's a bullshit excuse. The characters were treated like garbage on explicit orders from editorial to treat them like garbage. Of course the fans are going to be pissed. And really the vocal complainers about Cass and Steph are a drop in the bucket considering the smaller fanbase size and fairly sedate considering the horror stories some creatives have about interacting with pissed off fans.
11 months ago
Anonymous
I’m not sure excuse is even the right word. It’s more like he set off the nukes and then went “damn it’s getting kinda radioactive around here.”
11 months ago
Anonymous
The whole "radioactive" thing was so transparent since both characters were in a better place than they had been in a long time right before the New 52. Then suddenly they are wiped from existence so Didio's waifu can go back to being Batgirl, and it's because they were "radioactive."
11 months ago
Anonymous
I do agree that it's bullshit. At the end of the day a fanbase that's enraged and visibly so is almost a good thing because it means people still care.
Is there a ship, especially yuri or yaoi, where the fans didn't immediately loose interest once it became canon? Even coomers commissions seem to take a nose drive once the lips lock.
Cass squeezes your face between her thighs while Steph rubs your wiener until you cum in your pants.
Then they take you to jail.
11 months ago
Anonymous
>Oh my god, Batgirl, look at this creep? He's got a boner! >Boner? Did I..break a bone? >Nah, but you made him pop something alright. God, that must be SO embarrassing for you >He's nervous...and..staring...he wants- >Oh, I don't need to learn body language to tell what he wants*grope* >His heart is beating more than usual.. >Yeah and all his blood is flowing ~right~here~. Batgirl, can you hold the perp down? I think we need to take care of something before we call GCPD >Headlock? Or leg lock? >Just because we're good girls, we'll let our guest decide- >Don't struggle. You may choke. Though..perhaps you'd enjoy that >Bet he would, what a sicko. mm..boy I sure wouldn't wanna bust quick if I were you. This is probably the last time a girl's gonna touch you in a while, try to make the best of it. >He's enjoying this..alot. More as I tighten--like-this-- >He better be loving this..though I gotta say, from what I'm feeling, it's not a bad sized one at all. Actually, maybe I'm just having a dry spell, but I think it's almost impressive. Hey Batgirl, are you curious just how it looks like in the open air too? >It would be..unfortunate if it disappoints...
11 months ago
Anonymous
>Instead of sending you to jail, Steph and Cass make you their pet criminal. Coming over to your run-down hideout to abuse however they like. If you complain they can always just turn you in.
No
Steph is for Tim
Frick yurigays
Frick OP
>Steph is for Tim
Nope
There is no way it's not Bernard plowing Tim.
I don't really hate Tim and Bernard. I just hate that they've become uwu softboys, when that's not what either of them were like.
Bernard's old look was much more unique than his current one. Now he's a generic twink.
>Now he's a generic twink.
That's what the target audience wants and that's why Tim's book flopped into oblivion. Had they gotten the artist who did Tim's pride oneshot or Travis Moore his book probably would've lasted closer to 18 issues like Batgirls.
Ironically Rossmo might have been a better fit for Batgirls (a bit of a legacy Steph & Cass artist, and not-Steph!Sparrow is the only character who looks good in that book), while any of the BGs artists probably would have been better received for Tim.
hang on, this aesthetic is telling. Is it just because women writers/writing for women sneaking BL into comics?
Tim is sucking wieners and playing swords now. If it's Rosenberg's will, Steph is for Jason now, a terrible fate, I know. The hope of Steph's fans is that Williamson wants to get Jason and Rose together, poor girl, so he's not going to let that happen. In the end, no matter what the scenario, a girl will meet a terrible fate.
>If it's Rosenberg's will, Steph is for Jason now
Stop with this autism already, just because two characters interact, it doesn't mean they're going to frick.
>Steph is for Jason now
Which is completely fricking random. Those two have never particularly liked each other, let alone been “friends.” Even as recently as the Robins book, the only acknowledgment Jason had for her was “and why should we listen to what Cluemaster Jr. has to say?”
Steph just happens to be the nicest one of the Bat-Family, so she's there to contrast Jason's violent autism, there's NO romance going on except for Cinemaphile anons writing their fanfiction.
Yeah
I remember riding my bike to 7-11 as a kid
Picking up the latest issue of a comic book
Thinking to myself
"This comic needs more wienersucking in it"
Wait
I never thought that
What makes you think that?
She’s currently with Kyle tho
>Steph is for Tim
Steph is an ugly reminder of the past. Tim has blossomed into a beautiful man-loving butterfly. He doesn't need to be treated as a prop to Stephanie anymore.
go away Shammas, stop stinking up the thread with your fanficcy disrespect.
Those two as a couple? Nah
Those two as a pair of nudist roommates? Absolutely! (really loved those greentexts from last thread)
You guys have been saying this shit since forever, stop it, it's not happening.
Beyond sick of the nuSpoiler costume but man would the yellow belt and symbol at least spice it up a bit.
asiaticgirl and used goods prostitute: will pairing these useless no-draw shit characters finally make them able to sell a book?
>will pairing these useless no-draw shit characters finally make them able to sell a book?
No. coomers will just dl them. Serious Batgay collectors know they are worthless. (they'll bag #1 of course).
I know they're trying to be cute and have them all be Batgirls, but Steph really doesn't need that, there's nothing wrong with her being Spoiler.
Making everyone gay for each other doesn't sell comics.
No. Why can't characters just be friends.
The same can be said for Steph and Jason.
They ARE just friends anon, there's nothing romantic going on with them.
Hopefully that's just the case and it's another instance of anon's insisting upon delusions.
>They ARE just friends anon
Not much better. “Steph’s friendly!” isn’t really enough to justify putting the two characters together in *any* amicable context when they’ve historically shown little more than disdainful tolerance towards each other. Obviously there’s always been a lot of potential for an interesting connection, but if you wanna make them friends now, you have to actually fricking write that happening.
I don't think the situation is how fans are painting it. Fans complain that Rosenberg pulled an entire friendship between Steph and Jason out of the blue, but they're not even friends. The point of Task Force Z is that Jason doesn't really have friends, and he never honestly reaches out to someone whom he could rely on. Steph explicitly forces her way into the story because she's hilariously nosy and was snooping through the mail, not because Jason ever called her. Steph calls herself "your old pal Steph", but that feels tongue-in-cheek like she's joking about how they're actually not all that close.
The story of Task Force Z is about characters lying to each other and hiding their motivations. Sometimes they're obviously sarcastic, and sometimes it's a surprise twist.
Steph has made friends with Damian and Klarion and Anarky, and her now-famous bond with Tim had the roughest start possible. She has a talent for befriending outcasts and ruffians and hostile parties, having been treated as one herself. I agree it's a weakness that Steph's motivations weren't made more explicit in TFZ. Her actions in TFZ make sense for her character, but her empathy for Jason needed more explanation. Overall TFZ was hurt by not having any non-digetic narration, which made all the moving parts and references difficult to follow.
Bisexual or bicurious or not, Steph simply has excellent taste in lovely ladies.
But her appreciation for Catwoman and Zatanna does make Steph's lustless cutesy gal-pal affection for sexy goth hard-body Cass all the more glaringly non-sexual. It should dampen shippers' hopes for Steph/Cass.
It's still a bit dumb to push it out of nowhere. And even then it's clearly not romantic
That's a good and thorough breakdown (and kek'd at the filename). Honestly my issue was less with TFZ, where it's clear they're still feeling out a dynamic (even if Steph's touchiness makes it come off overly familiar), and more with the follow-up in Joker TMWSL. "Your only friend" is just... way too much, even if you wanna call it more ironic than not. Just seems like a role that just would have made more sense for Babs, if her schedule had literally any room for it. Or hell, even Tim (never liked the New 52 randomly insisting they were friends either, but at least that had a reboot as an excuse).
Steph is for Damian.
I thought that was Cass. Now I know she'd look good with a tomboy haircut of some kind.
Based
Now this is a ship I haven't seen since 2011
Our numbers have dwindled but our kingdom only grows stronger.
That Steph Robin costume is super cute.
cute stephdami
The DCeased suit takes some nice liberties. The black leggings + red boots is pretty striking, makes me wonder if they should've just gone full TNBA with it.
Did Talia bring her back or no?
Dropped plot thread. Time skip, Damian dies in a heroic sacrifice, and the story ends. Steph and Damian never reunite, her fate is never resolved.
Steph has no indication of getting shipped with any Robins any time soon--also I don't get the meme that girl characters are uniquely mistreated when being paired with Jason. He's barely had any romance. Bruce, Dick, and Tim frankly have much worse track records when it comes to their love interests being trashed or written out.
Steph fans and Tim fans usually agree that the Batgirl and Red Robin era was a high point for them, and they were very much broken up and not close to getting back together at that time. Being paired with Tim doesn't always correlate with success for Steph, and vice-versa for Tim. A good run is about having the right creative team and timing.
>also I don't get the meme that girl characters are uniquely mistreated when being paired with Jason. He's barely had any romance.
I think it's more of an extension of the Babs-is-the-Batbicycle meme. History tells us that if Steph starts getting paired up with another Batboy, the ball's not gonna stop rolling there. Within ten years she'll have either fricked or friendzoned all of them.
If your history model is only based on one character then it isn't a very good model.
Damian for Maps, but coached by Steph!
>Steph coaches Damian and Maps during their very first intercourse
>It was awkward as hell, but not a bad experience the two teens agreed
>”And now you guys should be fine doing it on your own. Whew that brings back memories. I got pregnant in the same position as you Mia!”
>Both Maps and Damian blushes and stares at each other silently, only now realizing they’ve been doing it bareback
H-hot!
Too damn cute
Man I wish we didn’t already have a prolonged war going on right now over who gets to be Robin, because Maps is great and I need 10x more of her. Guess she could do the Robin’s-Robin thing that Tim and Sparrow having going on.
I wouldn't mind her being a batgirl too
I kinda have a hard time seeing it, at least from a design standpoint. A female Robin can lean more androgynous, but pretty much every time we've seen a Batgirl without flowing hair (Cass/Helena, Nissa) it's meant to communicate how tough and Batmanish she is, which ain't Maps.
But I suppose now that Steph is running around in the Spoiler hood getting called Batgirl, the possibilities have opened up a bit. I *could* see Maps possibly pull off the Murphy Batgirl domino-slash-bat-eared-headband thing, maybe in yellow.
Who the hell is Sparrow?
Yet another not-Steph(like Misfit and Harper before her) who's technically from the We are Robin book, but feelslike Steph in Tim's book.
Bad steph clone
Honestly I find it a more enjoyable dynamic in some ways than the Tim and Steph of ye olde Robin '93. Mainly because when you drop the romance element, you also drop all the condescending "STOP BEING A SUPERHERO I KNOW BETTER AND I LOVE YOU TOO MUCH" drivel.
The romance part was the key for me. Without it its just bland, there's no chemistry here.
that's why I really liked the post Dixon/pre Willingham era of TimSteph where they were a couple and worked well with each other, with Tim not pushing her to quit even if the Birds and Batman fired her. They just worked well together and even though they had some ups and downs were mature enough to eventually trust each other enough to talk it through.
I just really liked Tim and steph as partners, if not for the dissolution of their relationship I'd have been all over a Tim and Steph book where they fight crime together, but it's not to be.
One day. One day.
See
Bernard is a fad.
>Bernard is a fad.
Like Steph was? 😉
>animated TimSteph never ever
I know it's not the best received run here but I thought the Tynion run would've made a great basis for a batfamily movie and introducing those characters if they ever adapted it as a DTV series.
The problem is Sparrow is just a nothing character. Another plucky heroine, this time, disabled I guess?
She’s nothing special but she serves her purpose. Book would probably be even worse without her, if it’s possible. And I’m partial to a purple-hooded blonde, what can I say. At least Sparrow knows exactly what she is, whereas Bluebird has delusions of actually being her own character who should supersede Steph.
Disabled how?
I like this, and I wish an artist picks up this greentext and deliver it into this thread. Or the next one
Seconding
I love Batgirls!
Yes!
Isn't that the artist that has drawn like 10 casskon? Also where is that anon.
>Isn't that the artist that has drawn like 10 casskon?
He did but it was commissions
Google tells me that was a commission too.
um...
My dick is ready
Posting Cass noods
I thought Steph was literally a professional wiener gobbler and got knocked up because of it.
Truth is we only of her having sex the one time. Girl just has -100 luck.
Steph is a bisexual on the Gotham Knight show
Between “WOW YOU’RE HOT ZATANNA” and
I’d say it’s quietly a thing in the comics at this point as well. Well, quieter than Tim’s big coming out parade anyway.
Last time you guys said that it was overblown out of proportions an wasn't true.
Basically every interaction between Steph and Harper point to them getting together. She straight up says she thinks of Turner as s brother and Brody is barely in the show.
>makes steph bi
>puts her with her bi replacement
So that's the point?
The show is going to be canceled and no one watches it anyway so who cares.
This, and making her gay like Tim would only be a mistake because the gimmick overstayed its welcome.
>Basically every interaction between Steph and Harper point to them getting together.
God damn you monkey's paw.
Steph may not be interested in Harper, but Harper is definitely interested in Steph, and I doubt they'll leave Harper alone by the end, so yeah, I can see it.
In the latest episode, Steph is interested too.
Oh, I haven't watched that one.
>Turner kisses Steph and she feels nothing just like with Brody.
Oh yeah they're making her gay with Harper in this for certain.
>I doubt they'll leave Harper alone by the end
Why? Isn't she stuck as Punchline's loser antagonist hero? That doesn't sound like a prestige position for the character.
Gotham Knights is literally fanfiction, I'm not talking about the comics.
Oh yeah, GK is that WB dead-Batman show that doesn't even have Dick.
I like cass with superboy
Why are Batgirl threads so fricking dogshit?
This is not really one. It's worse, a stephcass one.
Yurigays are mentally ill
Cass has a new they/them gf now.
Hopefully it will kill her terrible fandom on Cinemaphile.
The Cass fandom has been through too many hard times, it is unkillable at this point.
>it is unkillable at this point.
Like HIV?
In that once you acquire the Cass itch, you can't get rid of it, yes.
Nah.
gib Cass doll
Holy shit, is that a real item available for purchase?
This piece of fanart is possibly older than some posters on Cinemaphile.
We’re seeing a lot of hints that Steph is bisexual but not a whole lot of hints either way with Cass.
I'd say Cass has had *more* suspect moments, but all of them were as Orphan, so, didn't happen.
Monkey paw. Steph becomes bi but cass becomes super straight
What would you do with your bound and gagged Batgirl?
No clothes Cass best Cass
She gets that from her mom.
Oh yes
Are you guys really that desperate for Steph content that you watch Gotham Knights?
I'm watching Gotham Knights for Duela, not St*ph.
I hope pre-New 52 Duela makes a come back from this show making her a bit more well known.
She’s not in movies, cartoons or video games.
So besides Wayne Family Adventures, this is our only cross media Steph content.
She *would have* been the only thing I watched it for, but they pretty much lost my interest when they made her Oracle-lite in favor of comprising the actual team of complete fricking losers with even less claim-to-fame than her. (And Carrie.)
I hate that 4 of the main characters have hero identities and costumes and not one of them is using them. What's the point of this show even being in the DC universe.
Already got posted
Nah
No.
With LoZ TOTK out these girls must be getting no work done. Or bathing. Just lounging around as gross NEET gamer girls
>Tim goes to visit their apartment and a wave of girl-stink washes over him.
>Dishes in the sink, used panties all over the floor.
>He finds the two of them in their darkened bedroom both immersed in TOTK, Cass on the cracked TV, Steph using her switch handheld.
>He tells them their place is disgusting and should be cleaned. They grunt and tell him to get on it.
>Tim sighs and starts picking up after them.
>they're also both naked
>They used up all their clean clothes, so now they're just going naked.
>Tim has to clean the apartment while they sit around nude and smelling.
>Uh-uh, not like that. Put on the outfit-
>I am not wearing that!
>You wore the Drake costume! you have no excuse!
>This place is disgusting, how do you even live like thi-
>*Steph slingshots a pair of thoroughly worn panties at his face*
>those need washing, too
>*cass removes her own and flings them at him as well
>don't see why we have to wear these if we have to keep washing them.
>That's just the rules of this fricked up society we have to live in
>We live in a society?
>Sadly yes, gamers rise up
>Can't you guys just like..make a bin of used clothes ot something at least
>Sounds like a you problem.. maid costume now-
>Can you at least put a sheet on the couch? Oh god your sweaty butt water must be all over those cushions
>Does it matter? you're not buying the sale anyway.
>*Steph slingshots a pair of thoroughly worn panties at his face*
>those need washing, too
>*cass removes her own and flings them at him as well
Sexy
>Cass and Steph living the dream, Tim on his knees eat one out while the other uses his back as a footstool.
>Hey, I know you quit pussy, but can you please put some effort into this?
>Ow! I'd try but- Ow! Cass keeps kicking her legs on my back
>She's probably just upset she lost the last round
>pff. His technique is weak. Not even using his nose, doesn't press the feel good button. Pathetic. You'll put her to sleep like that.
>Do you have to criticize this? I don't have to-
>yes you do.
>Harper comes over, sees what's going on and joins Cass and Steph on the couch, waiting her turn for Tim to get licking.
>Jesus, Tim, move over. You eat pussy like an amateur. Watch and learn from a pro.
>Everytime Tim starts to slow down they turn it on.
>Barbara comes over and the girls turn towards her and Tim looks up from Steph's pussy, her cum dripping from his face.
>Girls, what are you doing to Tim?
>He's paying me back for the way he broke up with me as our live-in maid.
>I dont know anything about that. Just want by pussy ate by pretty boy.
>Join us, Babs!!
>Oh fine, but I'm looking for something a little different. Tim, get over here.
>Looks like my girls have done a good job of breaking their pet in. All you need is a collar, don't you Timmy?
>mmrph! mrrph!
>Cass, make sure you keep his head steady, I don't want him coming up for air. Boys need to learn their place, right?
>Aw, can I still milk him? He's twitching and throbbing so much, it's adorable!
>Fine, I know you're soft on the boy. But make sure you put it in a bowl so he can lick it up when he's finished
>Mm I bet if I turn the settings on up a little more he'll REALLY bust
>He's struggling..like a b***h
>Pull his hair and spit in his face. It's the only way to make sure he learns. And Steph, not too enthusiastic on the milking, I don't want him to cum so quick. We take it nice and slow-I've had a long week and I need a good rimming. Oh and girls, I've already the camera I put in here recording, but feel free to take any pics of bird boi for your spank bank
>*SPANK*
>Very good Steph! Lets make that pretty butt of his nice and red...
Tim is constantly being abused by the Batgirls. You'd think he'd stop going over to their apartment, but he's addicted to being their fricktoy slave.
Yeah right.
Tim smokes wiener now anon. Get used to it.
>Tim on his knees eat one out while the other uses his back as a footstool.
Tim loves penis, get it right you homosexuals.
It doesn't matter what Tim likes. He's opinion is irrelevant.
It's missing one piece
Cute plushie
The absolute state of these threads. This is just as pathetic as that gay who forces Conner/Cass
Everyone deserves to have a dream, within reason.
But that anon is fricking great.
The greentexts have been getting increasingly strange in these threads.
Not gonna lie anon, this is fricking hot
Tim works well as a maid with no bottoms and a remote controlled buttplug
I'm currently watching a steph fan get mad about her not being in that spirit world mini and it's funny how they're trying to phrase the batgirls comic as being pointless if these two girls aren't tied by the waist.
Weird. Stephfans are usually pretty chill.
Usually
As a Stephgay, why the hell would she be? First of all it’s a *good* thing Steph and Cass occasionally get to do some shit as independent characters, and secondly it’s not like she’s ever been much of a spiritual character.
>First of all it’s a *good* thing Steph and Cass occasionally get to do some shit as independent characters
The entire reason I thought the dude complaining was funny is from this mentality. Like... they aren't that tied together. Even during their team-up book (with barb) they were both appearing regularly in different books. Yeah they were also appearing together alot, but that's what happens in this scenario. It'd be like complaining about barb appearing with canary/huntress or green arrow/black canary standing next to each other in a JL comic.
Cass is in a cartoon right now, steph is in a tv show, both get solo stories in regular comics and that webtoon. A stephgay crying because she has no appearances lined up while cass does and trying to use batgirls as an excuse is funny.
"Why did batgirls tie these two characters at the waist if they weren't gonna drag steph along" Idk, maybe they didn't "tie these two characters at the waist" and people are just being weird.
Charitably it might be some leftover paranoia at the Didio years when he was trying to pit their fanbases against each other by presenting them as an either/or to sabotage sales and reception. Also it's Babs; she's never been called Barb.
It’s honestly incredible Steph *ever* got to be Batgirl with ole Dan at the helm, short-lived as it was. I get Gail Simone staged a mutiny or whatever to keep Oracle, but with the lengths of censorship he was going to just a few years later to scrub her character from memory, surprising that that even bought 2 more years.
Allegedly his way of thinking was characters became toxic due to fan response getting too bitter. But so publicly making it obvious they weren't letting her be used at all only made things worse.
I think he was disappointed that the Steph Batgirl series didn't do better, but it was massively hampered by not launching alongside the other Batman reborn books. Like if you weren't super plugged in or a new reader at the time, I don't think people even realized there WAS a new Batgirl. Even in other books she barely featured.
>Allegedly his way of thinking was characters became toxic due to fan response getting too bitter.
I can kinda get that thinking. There’s a lot of people even now who have been reading Batgirls and hating every minute of it, only out of sunk cost fallacy. In that way, he’s right — Steph and Cass are incredibly toxic characters whose long-term fans have mostly negative things to say at this point. But, y’know, people wouldn’t be so jaded if DC hadn’t mistreated the characters for years even before erasing them. And joked about it.
As a Steph fan, I actually do find the power tool joke kinda funny since it's clearly meant to be in dark humor with a character known for meta humor. In particular I think that's meant to be a reference to the outcry over Black Mask getting a figure with the power tools he tortured Steph with. I was upset only because the power tools got a toy before steph(still no classic Spoiler figure, sadly.)
I get why they'd be upset by the vocal fans, but at the same time I don't think it makes sense to punish fans who weren't at a convention and got into a shouting match with Dan Didio. Realistically, there's probably way more upset fans of other characters, they just aren't as vocal. Bu it's reflected in those fans not engaging, period, and just dropping off. No complaining, no outcry, just...not there visibly online.
That's a bullshit excuse. The characters were treated like garbage on explicit orders from editorial to treat them like garbage. Of course the fans are going to be pissed. And really the vocal complainers about Cass and Steph are a drop in the bucket considering the smaller fanbase size and fairly sedate considering the horror stories some creatives have about interacting with pissed off fans.
I’m not sure excuse is even the right word. It’s more like he set off the nukes and then went “damn it’s getting kinda radioactive around here.”
The whole "radioactive" thing was so transparent since both characters were in a better place than they had been in a long time right before the New 52. Then suddenly they are wiped from existence so Didio's waifu can go back to being Batgirl, and it's because they were "radioactive."
I do agree that it's bullshit. At the end of the day a fanbase that's enraged and visibly so is almost a good thing because it means people still care.
>Cass is in a cartoon right now
Would that Batwheels’ “Cass,” or did something actually good happen while I wasn’t looking?
>another terminally online moron gaslights themselves into self inflicted queerbaiting
yawn
Waffles
Ugly
Cass with a Babsgirl charm is too cute.
Is there a ship, especially yuri or yaoi, where the fans didn't immediately loose interest once it became canon? Even coomers commissions seem to take a nose drive once the lips lock.
Now that Tim has lost his credibility as a badass/masculine male, I think we need Jason to save Steph from her own virginity.
>Now that Tim has lost his credibility as a badass/masculine male,
You've never actually read much of Tim Drake, have you?
He’s the Robin with the second most( female) love interests as Robin, though. Next to Dick, and he has the bonus of his Robin era being revisited
NTA, but you don't need to be a badass to be a lady-killer.
First clue was thinking Steph’s a virgin.
Tim and Bernard will never be as good.
It doesn't matter if it's good or not, DC can never go back. Tim will suck dick for the rest of his life.
>Are you ready!
No!
Well get ready.
Agreed.
It’s time.
Gotham Knights show sealed the deal.
In a sex slave auction, which would receive the highest bid?
I'd say Dick. Sexy asian bawds like Cass have to be a dime a dozen at slave auctions, but Dick could very well be the sexiest man there.
Dick
Bruce is afraid to take Cass to Wayne Enterprise galas for fear of her undressing at inopportune moments.
>Cass gets scolded for letting food spill on her gala dress
>OK.
>proceeds to rip the top off and continue eating wienertail shrimp
>Bruce, your daughter just ripped off her top and stuck her head in the chocolate fountain.
>...Not again...
just gals being pals
I miss Steph's full face mask.
Can you imagine being a petty thief and turning around to see these two down the alley coming toward?
What would they do when they saw my raging boner stretching my pants?
laugh at you
They push you to the ground and step on your dick, alternating in pressure from gentle caress to painful crushing.
I might have to resist a bit so Cass is forced to get me in a headlock.
Cass squeezes your face between her thighs while Steph rubs your wiener until you cum in your pants.
Then they take you to jail.
>Oh my god, Batgirl, look at this creep? He's got a boner!
>Boner? Did I..break a bone?
>Nah, but you made him pop something alright. God, that must be SO embarrassing for you
>He's nervous...and..staring...he wants-
>Oh, I don't need to learn body language to tell what he wants*grope*
>His heart is beating more than usual..
>Yeah and all his blood is flowing ~right~here~. Batgirl, can you hold the perp down? I think we need to take care of something before we call GCPD
>Headlock? Or leg lock?
>Just because we're good girls, we'll let our guest decide-
>Don't struggle. You may choke. Though..perhaps you'd enjoy that
>Bet he would, what a sicko. mm..boy I sure wouldn't wanna bust quick if I were you. This is probably the last time a girl's gonna touch you in a while, try to make the best of it.
>He's enjoying this..alot. More as I tighten--like-this--
>He better be loving this..though I gotta say, from what I'm feeling, it's not a bad sized one at all. Actually, maybe I'm just having a dry spell, but I think it's almost impressive. Hey Batgirl, are you curious just how it looks like in the open air too?
>It would be..unfortunate if it disappoints...
>Instead of sending you to jail, Steph and Cass make you their pet criminal. Coming over to your run-down hideout to abuse however they like. If you complain they can always just turn you in.
Is cass anon okay?
He’s given up because he now knows StephCass is on its way.
Kate will turn Steph out and convert her to a pussy licking dyke.
Not great
Lame