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>“I saw John Wick 4 on the plane. Talk about volume. I think the film is disgusting beyond belief,” Stone said in a new interview with Variety. “Disgusting. I don’t know what people are thinking.
“Maybe I was watching G.I. Joe when I was a kid. But [Keanu Reeves] kills, what, three, four hundred people in the f****** movie. And as a combat veteran, I gotta tell you, not one of them is believable. I realize it’s a movie, but it’s become a video game more than a movie.”
>dictator-worshipping commie cokehead pretends to have human feelings and moral standards
He thinks it took multiple people to shoot JFK so I can see why he'd think this.
I mean he's right, in the first movie yeah he was an insane badass but it felt relatively grounded in the sense that he gets fricked up too and barely makes it out in scenes like the night club, the way the sequels just went overboard ruined the franchise for me, starting with homosexual fricking bulletproof suits
i think the directors just said, frick it, he's immune to death
Imagine being this mad at a great fricking movie.
Go back to jacking off to the punisher logo.
>Go back to jacking off to the punisher logo.
>bro you dislike this one over the top movie about an invincible protagonist that went off the rails you must WORSHIP this other one that's exactly like it!
unironically kys you fricking homosexual marvelsucking Black person, you and your dipshit franchise for brainless morons can lick my butthole
>As a combat veteran, not one of them was believable
Has this moron ever though maybe movies are fictitious?
I think he's just saying that by the time john wick kills Random Guy #142 it's just boring by that point in the film
You could have read the quote to the end, you know.
oh were you in 'Nam Oliver? Funny, you never mention it
Realism can take a back seat as long as the plot and writing is good. Speed for example is incredibly unrealistic, yet it's one of the best action movies of all time.
Not defending John Wick I've never really seen them I tried to watch the first and got bored. Action is a pretty shitty genre in general.
john wick is live action anime.
name 5 anime like john wick
Somebody get Oliver Stone to a doctor, he's going senile. That or he just kind of missed the last 50 years of action film.
Once they introduced the bulletproof suit and hiding behind one side of side of his jacket as he shoots people in the head became Johns go to strat it became over the top
I think he's just insecure that he couldn't ice that many asiatics.
Who do you think would have made the more kino Metal Gear Solid movie at the peak of their careers?
Oliver Stone or Michael Mann?
Really, no takers?
Michael Mann easily. He'd get the gun porn in the games just right for the movie.
Movies have been more video game than that when it comes to shit that I know for a fact people like Oliver Stone have loved. So much shit in the 60s, 70s, 80s.
These fricking boomers are actually nothing but afraid, dying, ignorant, coping, old spoiled men that don't have a grasp on jack shit anymore so they gotta pout and b***h. The hypocrisy is such a sign of their obliviousness.
nice. my taste and thoughts about John Shit 4 matches up with his. all you idiots arguing against what he's saying really think you know more about filmmaking than Oliver Stone?
It's all bots
unironically true. it is more like a video game. honestly I'm sick of movies giving people a unrealistic idea of reality.
>pop somebody once with a body shot, instantly falls over and dies
actually john wick almost always kills with head shot and will fire more than once in the body
>become a video game more than a movie
The top view gunfight made it obvious for everyone.
Who?
the guy who wrote scarface has a problem with the gratuitous violence of john wick
it is not about gratuitous violence, read the article for context.
Armitage Trail wrote Scareface
John Wick actually kills 151 people in the fourth installment of the popular film franchise – a new record!
“It’s lost touch with reality,” Stone continued. “The audience perhaps likes the video game. But I get bored by it. How many cars can crash? How many stunts can you do? What’s the difference between Fast and Furious and some other film? It’s just one thing after another. Whether it’s a super-human Marvel character or just a human being like John Wick, it doesn’t make any difference. It’s not believable.”
Then again, as Stone also said in the same interview, “People in showbiz are idiots.”
Oliver, you wrote the first theatrical Marvel film (Conan the Barbarian).
>It’s not believable
Neither is his JFK AstroTurf film or Boomer pinko self-insert Elias.
So the guy doesn't like over the top action movies. Big deal.
>it’s not believable
Have you seen JFK?
On the money. Slop suckers seething.
>Then again, as Stone also said in the same interview, “People in showbiz are idiots.”
holy based
>mfw watching a John Wick flick
literally who
Prolific writer director. JFK, Wall Street, Platoon
Americas done some bad shit though
isn't this the commie
The combat vet you mean homosexual?
>kills commies
>gets butthurt about it for some reason
>goes and sucks off the subhuman rats that proliferated communism
what a loser lmao
why do movies have to be le believable and realistic? You don't expect that from paintings.
Believable and realistic aren't the same thing. Jason Bourne movies are visually-believable but not realistic. John Wick and F&F are neither.
could you take a minute to justify that opinion
John Wick just looks like ballet to me. The illusion produced from camera moves and cutting isn't there in the majority of the scenes as they like doing these big ones that showcase all the choreography. It pulls me out and makes me very aware of the choreography. Also there is no narrative tension in any of the films or situations which produce impactful stakes.
Stone is right. There's something offputting about the John Wick sequels. They're over the top, but not in a funny or thrilling way, in a way where you just don't believe what you're watching. The choreography goes on forever, Keanu is too slow and it all feels like a meaningless stunt expo for the director.
I don't like the movie Stone made, but the NBK script was great because the satire justified the over the top violence. The crazier Mickey and Mallory were, the more of an indictment of the preferential media treatment they received. The two go hand in hand to make up the story. John Wick doesn't really have a story, outside of the dead wife and dog that everyone forgot about 2 movies ago.
Tony had a purpose behind all of his over-the-topness, he was an outsider immigrant trying to quickly rise through the ranks of organized crime, where being bolder and more ruthless earns you respect. He had an ambition, a rise and fall and it happens within one movie. We're on JW5 now and nobody knows what Wick wants besides "don't get killed by le high table." Stone doesn't know shit about politics, but he knows storytelling.
>Stone doesn't know shit about politics, but he knows storytelling.
Fair enough. Credit where credit's due. That's why i like JW1 more than the rest anyways.
Chad Stahelski (director of JW2-4) agrees with you
Who said anything about the director, dear pajeet? I was refering about the storytelling and self-contained story. Also:
>Derek Kolstad (born April 4, 1974) is an American screenwriter and film producer. He is the creator of the John Wick franchise, which began in 2014. He continued to write for the first two sequels of the franchise and is mainly known as a screenwriter of action films and shows.
A movie is more than the director. Big surprise i know.
Kolstad wrote the original script on spec, but all the sequels have been cobbled together with other writers.
Which explains why i liked the first John Wick better than the others. Just to be clear to the other stupid moron: i do like all the other ones too and 4 is fun in a certain way, but the first one is still my favorite. Same director or not i don't give a frick. Spielberg directed Kingdom of the Crystal Skull which was the worst Indiana Jones movie.
Based on Oliver Stone. Finally someone else who doesn't like this shitty franchise. As an anon above said "there is no tension" John wick kills everyone without breaking a sweat. It's like the joke Arnold made when he played himself in the last action hero about how many people he killed in the movie.We literally went from john mctiernan with his suspenseful action movies to capeshit shit in a couple of decades. The genre is dead.
>hates "capeshit"
>post capeshit cosplay
This is literally so fricking wrong and such proof as to why john wick is actually good.
Go watch the first movie again you giant moron. John wick gets the crap beat out of him 70% of the time. That's the whole reason it was so good. He gets the shit beat out of him then he goes and fricks a buncha shit up and still gets beat up but finishes it off by just doing things that would technically be easily possible
all the sequels are a bit different each time and play into what you're talking about yet STILL showcase him being mortal and him getting beat up so often
there was a whole 2 minute scene of john wick falling down so many stairs in the 4th film just to make a little joke out of what I'm talking about
The John Wick movies are very self aware and that is a part of the reason why they are so good.
You're literally a moron. That's why they're so good to you.
Don't reply to me unless you're going to reply to what I say you little shit eater
All john wick does is do a little dance with a gun while bad guys conveniently show up one by one. Then he tags them with the gun and they fall down. A john wick movie is this scene in several different locations and some unimportant story in between. It's like porn.
Its worse than porn. At least porn makes you feel something.
What's the difference between JW and Jackie Chan then?
Not that much, but Jackie Chan was unique, new and you hadn't seen it before. John wick is just perfected tacticool dancing.
dude, imagine a jedi movie with john wick energy
>a padawan stalks/fights a sith lord who just murdered his master who is evading him. cat becomes mouse becomes cat and BRUTAL
Imagine being a grown man simping for john wick
You are posting on purpose on Cinemaphile talking about how I am not being a grown enough man for you. You are literally doing that.
>john wick is just some action movie
Also it isn't convenient. That's one of the reasons why the movies work. 90% of it makes total sense. every action scene is very well done and Keanu does his work despite being almost like 60 yeas old now
>could you take a minute to justify that opinion
why do they have to be either? Fast and furious movies exxagerate stuff to achieve certain effect. It works. You're not an autist when it comes to paintings but when movies are doing the exact same thing then you are
>why do movies have to be le believable and realistic?
GOOD MORNING SIRS
>You don't expect that from paintings
i do
Yawn
Of course he is right. John Wick is artless trash.
the first movie was good
the rest just exist as i actually alredy forgot the plot of 2 and 3, something about the hotel
>filtered by john wick of all films
he hasn't made a good movie since jfk anyway
Frick sake, Oliver, sort that fricking haircut out.
Also, he's right. As someone who did 2 tours
of Vietnam, he told Tarantino to BTFO when it
came to discussions of violence.
If he actually toured Vietnam he'd be dead or in prison for rape. Poser b***h.
>vietnam mentioned
>coomer brings up rape in the dumbest fashion possible
every time
He has a purple heart and was in infantry. He has confirmed kills in combat on the front lines.
yeah right, so did "chris" Kyle
>he told Tarantino to BTFO when it
came to discussions of violence.
You shouldn't be a homosexual blowhard when you're an ESL moron, Rajesh.
I'm tired of capeshit but I'm also getting tired of boomer hasbeens impotently complaining about it.
The first John Wick should've been an hour long, and there only needed to be one of them.
Two was exactly the same shit with maybe 5 minutes total of clever action sequences surrounded by mind-numbing boredom and repetition. I assume that's also true of 3 and 4.
Movies for NPCs
>commie opinion
Using a commie magician to insult a commie filmmaker.
>fights vietnam communists in 1963
>amerisharts in 2023 calls you a commie
>only americans hate communism
Yes
I like stone but he's a hypocrite, reminds me a lot of Noam Chomsky, they try to have an appeal to authority through sincerity but then you need to remember Stone is a commie and others paddle around with the likes of Epstein.
Hard to stand tall when they wallow so low.
He's not a commie. He's a liberal. He worships JFK and not Lenin, Castro etc.
>He's the good kind of socialist!
Liberal in the American context is a slur you massive nincompoop
Did he also complain about John Woo's movies or anything out of Hong Kong in the 80's? John Wick is really no different than those.
They had soul and humor. The Hard Boiled teahouse shootout blows any Wick setpiece out of the water by virtue of the chaos that seems to unfold. Tequila is an undercover cop that isn't supposed to be doing what he's doing but we believe the situations he finds himself in call for it. John Wick just walks around killing everything because hes le boogeyman.
Since when is Stone a commie???
>one guy killing a bunch of people is ridiculous and disgusting
>but my movie Platoon where exactly that happens at the end is okay
>commie piece of shit hating cool action movie and guns
No surprise here
What about Scarface? I love it but i can't deny the over-the-topness almost turns it into a parody.
Same goes for Natural Born Killers. It being satirical isn't an excuse
>NBK
Wasn't that a Tarantino idea?
His original story, but Stone directed it and changed the tone to being a critique of mass media and violence in America
>the entire purpose of the movie doesn't change the fact that it has the thing he is criticizing!
I notice zoomers are intellectually incapable of understanding satire.
>NOOOO I´M TOO PRUDE TO ENJOY A MOVIE AHHHHHH
what a homosexual lol, why are you on Cinemaphile?
I can't even rank Stone's best 5 movies cause all of them are mediocre.
What? Writing Conan the Barbarian, one of the greatest chad movies ever made, isn't enough for you Cinemaphile morons?
he should stick to writing, also he had good source material to work with already
JW4 is unironically better than anything this ugly fat moron has ever filmed in his career
Kek yeah scarface shoot out was basically a video game and platoon bro getting shot 73 times and still running was moronic
Of course Wick is more like a video game that’s the point
no, the point is you're a tasteless imbecile
no the point is he doesn't need to get his taste validated by Oliver Stone, unlike you, OP
I can like Scarface and Platoon while acknowledging a lack of realism and the hypocrisy of Oliver Stone.
Scarface was a very entertaining movie but it was hardly high art or deep or anything. Psychopath aims high and ends up hurting everyone around hi: wow 2deep4me. It was like a video game in face video games were made based on it and blacks glorified it in the early days of gangsta rap because it was such an over the top, cartoonish depiction of violent gangsters making bank.
You morons are so contrarian you're praising john wick lmao
>praising one of the most popular action movies of all time that has high critics scores on every single platform
>contrarian
You’re the contrarian moron acting like we’re not supposed to enjoy an action movie just because it’s not “realistic.”
enjoy capeshit, frick off
he couldve criticized shitty pretensious worldbuilding of jw and how first movie was more than enough instead of whining about gunfu and kill count
I only saw John Wick 1 and thought it sucked. Based on this thread the whole fanbase is butthurt and reddit so I'll skip the sequels.
>old man yells at cloud
nothing to see here
>all those wickshitters seething in this thread
>"all those" instead of "all these"
HALLO SAR
I agree.
Wick/FF and the likes have become the equivalent of empty calories.
Even the special effects ceased to be interesting and are just perfunctory.
There's no structure, no build-up... just a wall of noise from start to finish.
I guess this is just some necessary step to AI moviemaking which will just reshuffle these ingredients as needed.
Bullet Train
Grey Man
John Wick
Extraction
Polar
Etc..
It's getting worse too
Gray man is terrible. I don't know why they are so hard on stone. The guy is a war veteran so he has a very particular sensitivity towards violence.
He also wrote and directed Natural Born Killers, which is peak ultraviolence shlock with zero depth to it.
Without irony, was nbk's script ruined by stone's direction
People pretending that action movies should have some depth and deep meaning are the biggest morons in the world. I watch movies like Raid and JW to see unrealistic fights, gunfights, and choreography. The whole franchise is based on someone killing his dog and then him going on a killing spree and taking out the most dangerous organization in the world by himself, and you people want this movie to take itself seriously
I'm not saying they should be very deep, but they don't like some tension and none of these films have it. I can accept these movies as stunt and gunfight pornography or as larp of Hong Kong and that would be it, it's just that there are people who act as if these movies had invented the action genre although if they put it back on the map that's not a doubt.
>The whole franchise is based on someone killing his dog and then him going on a killing spree and taking out the most dangerous organization in the world by himself
The first movie had that fun revenge element to it, the dog was a gift from his dying wife, the gangsters he killed were directly responsible, etc. But in the sequels he's just been running away. At no point has he expressed any desire to "take out" the organization.
Whatever you get what I’m saying. At some point he says that he’ll kill whoever comes his way so that’s what’s been happening since the 1st movie
Action movies were getting stale and boring until the JW franchise came out and that’s a fact. The way the fight scenes were filmed were refreshing and something we haven’t seen in a while.
Yes, I agree with jw, I refresh the genre, but it's not the big story. Die hard or red October are goats of the genus. The franchise could use some competent writing
>People pretending that action movies should have some depth and deep meaning
He's just saying that the movies are over-the-top in the worst way, not that they should be deep.
It all started with Taken and got progressively worse.
>get some well known meme actor, possibly past his prime so he looks a bit grizzled
>"he's too old for this shit"
>he used to a big deal in the spy/assassin/secret agent/commando community and everyone knows him
>everyone except the new butthole crime lord who is too wienery for his own good
>wienery villain does something stupid so the main guy needs to frick his entire organization up
etc...
>Wick is somewhere
>character that is too cool for school exchanges a few words with Wick
>50 faceless soldiers working for bad guy of the movie enter the building
>Wick and cool side character proceed to kill them all in a PG friendly way
>the building is clear
>Wick and cool character exchange a couple of quips and it leads into the next location where the whole thing repeats
BASED
john shit is capeshit through and through
also incompetently clobbered together slop
Imagine being a movie maker and dogging on movie people enjoy for entertainment value. He’s a frick head that doesn’t understand the masses.
>professionals in any given field should never comment on what other professionals in the same field do
You sound like a spineless turd that's afraid of actual critique beyond "turn off your brain bro" and "5/5 stars amazing movie can't wait for sequel". Go touch grass.
>all these seething capeshitters
He looks grizzled and disheveled.
oldmanyellsatcloud.jpg
Based Oliver dabbing on mentally stunted Millennial manchildren with their film-based adolescent invincibility fantasies.
i notice that when people that make and post these memes, it's a direct criticism on men who don't subscribe to the metro-sexual or numale meme. they only like when men are emasculated and soft.
I agree but he's the last person who should be allowed to complain about violence being careless and disgusting in films. Scarface is *the* film that inspired the most wannabe gangsters out there and it's not even close. If you want to talk about films being a bad influence that shit takes the crown.
blame De Palma's direction
I hate idiots like you that are so fricking stupid that they see a movie like Scarface and think it's pro gangster. You are the reason we can't have art.
>think it's pro gangster
it doesn't matter what you think, loads of gangsters literally cite scarface as an inspiration, it's the danger of showing shit like that as glorious in any capacity. to normal people it's obviously showing it as a bad thing but to morons, which most criminals are, it's just inspiration
Not him but are enough seriously saying it didn’t inspire wannabe gangsters? And calling Scarface art? Kek
Dumb esl poster
Nah STEM post doc with iPad on autocorrect
>ipad
Idiot
>mogs the whole JW franchise in under 2 minutes
>homosexual being annoying in a restaurant for two minutes
True, I guess
Taxi Driver inspired some moron to shoot Reagan. So what?
Anon said it inspired others and you responded that the movie isn’t pro gangster, completely missing the point like a fricking moron.
Then again you think Scarface is high art kek
>Cranky old man complains that things aren't the way they were in "the good old days"
What else is fricking new?
Well he's dead now isn't he? Calm the frick down
Imagine being too stupid to understand a basic morality tale like Scarface.
>Old man yells at cloud
Yawn
holy fricking lmao, there are soooooo many seething redditors in this thread, i'm honestly having a laugh.
but seriously, can you redditors please frick off back to your subreddits already? we don't want your ilk here.
This, go jerk off and play a video game plebbitors. I know that’s how you like to unwind.
I'm here since 2017 and never used reddit. Frick off homosexual
Anybody who told you to just be yourself couldn't have given you worse advice
I'd like to help you out. Which way did you come in?
Stone was only kino with decent writers.
Eric Bogosian is so fricking underrated
The guy wrote midnight express he gets a pass.
Is John Wick capeshit?
Yes
Born Killers
this mf forgot about this abomination, frick off boomer
go enjoy barney, that's more of your taste
don't be so refractory old man
future is queer
sour old man
why he love putin??
Kino scene
Why does this board love capeshit so much?
to be fair we also love star wars
manchild trash from the 70s, grow up
Since when John Wick is capeshit?
he didn't say john wick was capeshit you esl failure
>Why does this board love capeshit so much?
Capeshit was created for working class whites since the 1930s. Its pulp entertainment and always has been.
This isn’t a working class board.
You have to wear a day suit to post here
>all these homosexuals agreeing with Stone
Since when Cinemaphile hates action kino?
homosexuals
TOTAL 'SLOP DEATH
KINO WILL WIN
"Okay, Grandad, time for Bedfordshire."
>tarantino makes movies, i make films
i kneel, I FRICKING KNEEL
I only like commies when they are dead 🙂
THIS TOTALLY HECKIN BASED BOOMER WHO MADE GOOD MOVIES AND IS NOW GOING TO DIE IN 6 YEARS TOTALLY HATES NEW STUFF THAT IS HAPPENING RIGHT NOW
HE IS RIGHT AND EVERYONE NEEDS TO STOP EVERYTHING THEY ARE DOING RIGHT NOW
>The Putin INterviews
did he go to far in a couple places?
The definitive list of 'slop
>All capeshit, mcu/dcu doesn't matter
>Live action Disney remakes
>Fast and the furious franchise
>Star Wars
>John Wick series
>Anything made past 2012
>Gay24 slowburn elevated 'horror'
>Your favorite movies
The Mad Max franchise is slop?
Based. I like Keanu and Derek Kolstad but these sequels barely even qualify as movies. They're like extended vidya cut scenes that you wish you could click through, but are forced to sit and watch.
Make more original shit like the Kolstad JW1 spec script, just because something hits doesn't mean it has to be a forced franchise.
Lynch tailgater hack fraud
Capeshitters get the rope. They attract moronic ESLs to this board who sht it up with their broken english and curry farts.
Weet ik
It’s well known old people don’t change, but we pretend they can form new opinions on new stuff.
>on a plane.
Image if we review his movies like thst
i watched scarface for the first time on my ipod video and loved it. i saw john wick 4 in a movie theater and it was complete garbage.
>i watched scarface for the first time on my ipod video and loved it
No you didn’t
>zoomer doesn't believe in pre-netflix media consumption
If that is how you watched it for the first time, your opinion is worthless anyways.
I win either way
>The director of Savages is calling JW4 a bad movie
Laugh
Based kino geezer calling out reddits favourite action slop.
I had the terrible misfortune of seeing John wick 1 I can't imagine how bad the sequels are.
The guy that directed John Wick had never directed a movie before. Also he describes it as a fantasy movie. It's not meant to exist in our universe.
John Wick franchise is pretty bad, although there are some decent elements, overall Stone is right. Very sad that nobody had the vision and resources to execute the Cowboy Bebop movie with Keanu because John Wick kinda tries to be the Cowboy Bebop anime and fails to have any KINO SOVL.
Wick was video gamey from the first movie.
How did it take him 4 movies to figure it out.
Stone’s best days are behind him, but for about an eight year stretch he was the best director on the planet.
He’ll always be based.
stone has no room to talk after the severe letdown that was snowden. I was hoping he could turn the clock back and give me something like jfk instead I got shailene talking about a good burn from pole dancing and a terribly cut final chase scene