>The movie reportedly received negative internal test scores, and the reshoots are scheduled for January to May 2024, reworking three major sequences.
https://www.superherohype.com/movies/555192-report-captain-america-brave-new-world-to-undergo-extensive-reshoots
Insiders say that, similarly to Daredevil: Born Again, Kevin Feige reviewed the footage during the strikes and decided a lot of the movie wasn't working. It allegedly had nothing to do with the movie featuring Sabra due to the Israel-Hamas war, since she is not a Mossad agent in the movie. The main issue is said to be that the plot is too confusing and needs to be streamlined.
Pre-reshoot leaks.
>Nations have been mining the dead celestial from ETERNALS for resources including Adamantium, Japan being the first to turn it into an indestructible metal alloy.
>Sam Wilson is the new Captain America, but has been forbidden from interfering in international affairs by President Thaddeus Ross, who wants to use him mainly for propaganda.
>Sam intervenes anyway, and finds out that the Leader has been playing 5D chess to increase political tensions and turn the nations against each other and get the Adamantium for himself.
>The Serpent Society are the Leader’s biotech-enhanced enforcers. They have a small role and are mainly there for Sam to fight in the opening act.
>Sabra is a CIA agent rather than a Mossad operative, and while she isn’t directly called a mutant, she states she has always had her powers and hasn’t been artificially enhanced.
>Sam’s friend Joaquin Torres becomes the new Falcon, and retired supersoldier Isaiah Bradley also joins the fight.
>Sam gets together with Army intelligence officer Leila Taylor, and Betty Ross also comes in to expose her father’s shady dealings.
>Ross turns out to have been using Bruce Banner’s gamma blood as a cure for his declining health, and has made a deal with the Leader to get it.
>Banner’s blood turns Ross into Red Hulk all according to the Leader’s keikaku, and Sam has fights Red Hulk with a Vibranium weapon in the third act.
>The concept of people using Banner’s blood as a supersoldier serum would lead into a solo Hulk movie that is in development.
>another super secret society
>MUCH MORE SECRET THEN PREVIOUS SECRET SOCIETY
The Serpent Society isn't a secret society, they are just mercs that really like snakes.
I'm wondering if they're gearing up for an Atlantis Attacks storyline if this shit is true. I would actually be interested in that if they did it right. Imagine the whole MCU against Set on screen, if they build it up right it could be crazy. But I don't trust Marvel anymore so this will likely go nowhere.
If they are, they're mixing it with the Earth being a dormant seed of a Celestial story.
Does Atlantis exist in the MCU? Didn’t they replace it with Talokan or whatever it was called?
Couldn't tell you, haven't seen a Marvel flick since Multiverse Of Madness. But apparently Feige isn't afraid to roll back stupid shit and make it make sense again.
The guy they got to play Namor was metooed anyway so with any luck he’ll be recast post secret wars and with that his whole backstory and setting retconned
welcome to comics, enjoy your stay
not every secret group in the comics has been running the world in the background. most of them do one or a few things. mcu has made everything too big.
In the comics they’re classic Captain America villains he’s fought them a lot. I think they were originally set up by Hydra but they’re not really Nazis or at least other then more than a snake worshipping cult that are basically assassins. I think they’re usually led by Crossbones or Taskmaster but of course Marvel ruined those two fan favorites from the comics so they don’t really have much traction here. My guess they’ll make Sabra the main leader here which with the Israel stuff going on will be kinda funny.
Sounds bloated, but I like the sound of Captain Falcon VS. Red Hulk.
>Leader has been playing 5D chess to increase political tensions
so the rumors were true and Ross is another Trump stand in? they seriously need better writers. they threw the Marvels to a no name director because she was a black lady. the entire movie shouldve been a build up.
5 seconds of fanfiction:
>Carol realizes she has no purpose and has been haphazardly flying from planet to planet
>while she attempts to follow her heart shes finding out that shes created wars and power vaccuums
>she returns home to earth only to find people dont think to kindly of her, some even blaming her for the Skrull invasion and letting Stark die.
>could have a great moment where she goes to the Tony Stark memorial but only finds it as a photo op for tourist, she is met by Rhodes and they have a long discussion about all of the fricked up shit thats happened and sets the stage for armor wars while diving into Rhodes not being there for Tony
>in the end Carol learns to work on a team and understand new worlds and issues or something
In there you can even have the government recruiting Justin Hammer and him going off about alien threats and how Captain Marvel should sign the accords or something.
TL;DR Do better
>sign the accords
lol the morons threw the accords out years ago. I guess they could bring them back randomly just as easily, who cares at this point.
>Sabra is a CIA agent rather than a Mossad operative
Then what the frick is the point of her being Sabra? Sabra is a distinctively israeli thing, not a israeli thing
The people who write this shit do not care about accuracy and fact. They're all fat brown gays and lesbians throwing shit together until someone of color or with two XX chromosomes does their white man bad speech.
Guarantee she has some dialogue that threads a needle and subverts goyim as pertains to this swap.
Why did they cast Gordon Ramsay as Ross?
anon, that's clearly harrison ford after a day in the sun
This feels more like a Hulk film then a Cap film.
Because they know nobody will ever seriously buy into a Black Captain America.
Captain America is not an A lister, that's why they are making Hulk there too.
The Hulk isn't actually in the movie, just his villains.
I suppose they are adding Ruffalo now
I doubt it. Word is they're scaling down the movie, not making it bigger.
Eh, Winter Soldier and the original Cap did just fine without any real help. Cap may not be an A lister but he's close, you bring back Chris Evans tomorrow and have him replace the black dude and the hype goes into overdrive.
Captain America in current MCU is a statistical A lister. I'm not sure what comic book you crawled out of but the character is front and center in every avengers movie alongside Iron man
Chris Evan's Captain America is an A lister.
Black Captain America is not.
This is the evolution of the same character. The point of the post you were replying to was that they took an A lister and are treating him like a B or C lister. Your argument was that he's not an A list character, but he absolutely is in the MCU.
If they frick up this movie, he can then become a B or C lister and hopefully the MCU slows down or dies.
No it is not. They don't even have the same fricking super power.
Honest question: are you ESL? Don't lie to me or act defensive or I'll know.
>Change the actor
>Change the character
>Not even the same super power
>Only thing that is unchanged is the title
>Must be an A lister
Fricking delusional. Legit.
Hey, question: the movie still says captain America, right? And the old captain America passed down the entire schtick?
Then, guess what Rajesh, it is the same A list character being treated like a C list who can't carry his movie. Whatever weird, gay logic you come up with about his powers being different doesn't matter. I am speaking from a financial standpoint. The name captain America is the A list box office draw.
And the Black person on the poster is a repellent.
Captain America is an A list box office draw. Till they see the fricking poster and see a nignog. That is like making Ironman 4 but it is actually played by the dude who plays War Machine and saying it will have the same A list box office draw. Fricking delusional.
The best part about speaking to a dumb ESL is if you use enough words at them they'll eventually accidentally agree with you. Thank you for your concession.
>Can't argue the point
>Better call him an ESL and say I win
The state of (you)
You admitted in your very first sentence Captain America is an A list draw. God damn you are one stupid pajeet
Yes. Captain America is an A list draw. Chris Evan's Captain America. People will be interested in the movie till they realize it is not Chris Evan's Captain America, you dumbfrick.
Patel getting toasty and multi posty. Captain America is an A list draw because the character has statistically made enough money to continue to helm films. He is helming a new high budget film as a current A list draw. Whether you hate him or not, that is the fact of what's happening.
When he statistically starts to bomb, he will drop. But, not yet.
You really need to understand the difference between Captain America played by Chris Evans and Captain America played by a Black person. The fact that you think people are stupid enough to conflate the two when every piece of marketing will show the new captain america, shows how low IQ you are.
You really need to understand financial decisions. They are selling a name that is a draw. If he wasn't an A list draw he would not be getting his own movie; he would be D+ with Loki, Hawkgirl, etc.
The name will draw INTEREST. But if you think the name alone will put people in the seats you are fricking delusional. Especially when it is Chris's Cap that people like and not this one.
The name will draw interest...as an A list draw. Yes. Do you see how you're agreeing with me while insulting me? How does being an absolute moron feel?
It will draw interest TILL people realize it is not interesting because it is not what they are looking for. Holy fricking shit, how fricking stupid are you?
Alright, now think like an executive. How does an executive know the movie won't make any money if it's not out yet? The character has a proven track record--so far--of financial success to a high level and has been forefront in the biggest movies the company has to offer. Captain America is A list, at this time. Will you be right in the future? Yes. I believe the same.
Are you wrong now? Yes, that too.
>The character
Stop saying the character. This is a new character. The audience is not moronic enough to conflate the two. Unlike you.
>this is a new character
>with the same rogue gallery, moveset, position, and similar suit
This is an evolution of the character. Marvel has every intention for him to be the same A list draw he was before. Think, Hamesh, think!
>this an evolution of the character
>except with a new actor
>except with a new in universe character
>And he thinks the audience is too stupid to realize so they will have the same draw
Think, moron, think!
Still an A list draw, Raj.
Yes. Chris Evan's Cap.
You do realize there is a difference right?
And what do you think will happen when they realize they have been bamboozled by the change in actor? Please share.
>A list draw
that's not a thing. You're just mashing words together.
Based ESL
A-list refers to an actor that gets paid a certain amount in Hollywood. There's no such thing as 'A-list draw'. It's word salad. I work in L.A. and who the frick are you? You no talent, no good piece of shit. I introduced the Walking Dead on stage in 1992.
>schizo who can't think outside of his own box appears
Language is fluid, and even in the original post of this spat, people were referring to the CHARACTER Captain America as A list. Why didn't you show your grievances about the term then, you gay little larper?
There are 2 characters here moron.
The only moron who thinks they are the same is you.
The same? Who the hell implied that? The NAME? Yes, still the A list draw.
So you are saying Cap played by Chris Evan has the same draw as Cap played by Mackie? Yes or no.
Put on your thinking helmet and consider what my answer might be, Sirs.
>Avoids giving the answer
The only smart thing you have done today, moron-kun.
>seriously thinks he can force someone into a yes or no situation
Based ESL mudhut dweller with double digit iq
>Dodges the question again
Sad
You're using words incorrectly and trying to use sophistry to win an argument on a false premise. No, I will not let you do that, and no, words cannot be given arbitrary meanings.
>A list
You keep saying that word. I don't think it means what you think it means.
He is a capeshiter, they aren't capable of basic logic
>agreeing with the 'a-list draw' poojeet
>has the gall to talk about logic
HA HA HA
>doesn't even realize the a-list draw guy and poojeet were two different people
Based ESL
You aren't capable of following a conversation
I want to agree with you, but the other guy is right. It's a A Lister IF Chris Evans is playing him. Everyone knows he's gone, so having Mackey play him drops him to a B Lister. Like how Bioware used to be one of the most trusted names in gaming but now we know they're all a bunch of homos and diversity hires.
And yet Sam doesn't care enough to tell Banner about green Megamind.
if adamantium is indestructible how do you mine it
Adamantium is an alloy. You have to mix the alien mineral with some other components to make it indestructible.
>Adamantium is a MacGuffin
fxd yw
It is only indestructible after the first refining process. The metal must be kept in a heated, liquefied state after the ore is smelted. Once it cools and hardens it becomes indestructible.
well, you see…it’s quite simple. Just mine the rocks around the adamantium and then…extract the goods, yes.
>>The concept of people using Banner’s blood as a supersoldier serum would lead into a solo Hulk movie that is in development.
This is fricking stupid
Why couldn't they just have done World War Hulk instead of making it a subplot of Taika Wanktiti's shit Thor film?
This is setting up for the world war hulk film, dipshit.Thor 3 used the planet hulk arc
How many fricking plotlines are they setting up?
There is secret wars, there is fricking kangz and now WW Hulk? How about pick one.
Marvel are just throwing shit at the wall until something sticks.
yeah, turds.
Planet Hulk is act 1 of WWH. Civil War is act 2.
You might as well have asked why they ripped out Skurge's death scene without establishing one of Marvel's biggest Golden Age villains.
THEY'RE STRIP-MINING CREATIVITY ANON.
>The concept of people using Banner’s blood as a supersoldier serum would lead into a solo Hulk movie that is in development.
This is how you know the leaks is BS.
Any Hulk movie rights belongs to Universal.
Not anymore, Marvel got the rights back this year.
I didn't know that.
Guess the leaks might be right then.
>Sam Wilson is the new Captain America
>Joaquin Torres becomes the new Falcon
One of the things I disliked most about comics was "The new ______." The movies going down this road is what is killing them.
(TL note: keikaku means plan)
>Sabra is a CIA agent rather than a Mossad operative
There's a difference?
>anyone can be captain america, he has no super soldier serum, just wings, anyone could have wings
>the hulks blood can just make she-hulk, the hulks blood can just make red hulk
this is when superheroes start to get shit, I know Red Hulk is an established character and its fine for comics.
But once movies start to get into this territory of 'anyone' can just have super shit, whether it's Falcon just getting Captain America status despite not having powers, or Red Hulk just getting the strongest power set of all time just by drinking some blood, it all starts to become meaningless
This doesn't read like a coherent script at all. More like some kind of LARPY /x/ schizo rant. How does anything like this even get approved (if true).
That's because it's obviously not a full plot.
So how far am I expected to shove my head into my ass to believe that literally normal human would be able to fight Red Hulk?
Vbranium weapon? Oh please frick off.
So who’s Sam’s love interest in this? Sabra, Betty, the new army chick, his Hispanic partner?
The army chick apparently
I liked the previous name,
"new world order" kept the spy thriller/conspiracy tone pretty well, the new name just makes it seem like a generic superhero story where the good guys win at the end, and even when that's now that the movie is about the new name makes it seem like it.
I completely agree with you. I get that "Brave New World" is an Aldous Huxley reference, but "Brave New World" is a much better title because it sounds more ominous. But I guess "New World Order" was probably too on the nose for the israelites.
* but "New World Order" is a much better title because it sounds more ominous.
The people in Brave New World loved watching blacked porn in large group so the title fits
Not really, the woman was saved from the insane black rapist, than she was gang banged
As if any mcutard actually read BNW. If anything Disney is their soma
Why not “Brave New World Order”? Or BNWO for short.
Holy shit I expected this movie to be shit but I didn't expect things to be this bad
What would it take for Marvel to pump the breaks on all this? Can they even do that? Is that "allowed"? Cause it seems like the fatigue everyone's talked about forever now is finally real.
They are in a slump recently, but even their worst-received movie still cracked $400M and is in the top 10 highest-grossing films of 2023.
They won't stop, but by all accounts they are taking the time to reassess and improve.
>but even their worst-received movie still cracked $400M
So what if they did? With their current year costs for movies and adverts they didn't even get enough profit for a fancy meal and McDonalds.
Marvel will continue pumping out capecrap until it no longer becomes profitable.
The Marvels flopping will probably help them realize they need to do something, change things up. Their movies are becoming too expensive, and are not making enough profit.
They are just going to focus now on properties they know have bigger built-in audiences like X-Men and Fantastic Four, which is probably what they should have been doing all along anyways. They will most likely be shit too but they are at least more certain to bring in box office. (There are even rumors of them bringing back Tony Stark. Kek.)
They have a lot of lame duck movies until they get to MCU X-Men, which probably isn’t coming out until 2028 at the earliest
>Fatigue
>Too expensive
Whats with these bullshit reddit talking points?
The movies started being rejected by the audience when they started emasculating the men and specially white men.
The sooner they realize that and apology the better.
There's nothing wrong with the movie. It's all the chuds fault. They have to do all these reshoots just to try and prevent the inevitable review bombing
Now he wants to do his job?
I seriously doubt it's just a story issue.
He's let shittier projects go out with messy stories.
The fact they brought up Sabra makes me think yeah it's due to Sabra and some shit in the film that would now cause controversy.
Feige was more hands-off after Avengers: Endgame, partially because there was too much content to personally give notes on all of it, and partially because he was angling for a higher position within Disney. Now he's been told to devote all his time and attention to getting the MCU back on track.
>because there was too much content to personally give notes on all of it
>angling for a higher position within Disney
The frick did he think he would be doing in a higher position eating avocado toast all day?
Serves him right not getting a promotion.
The first few times a movie or show flopped he should have gotten that being hands off wasn't working.
It's not entirely his fault. He warned Disney about content bloat when they decided to double the MCU output to prop up Disney+ and they didn't listen. Covid also didn't help matters, and then there was stuf like Chadwick Boseman's death and Jonathan Majors' arrest.
>Marvel makes shit
>audience hates it
Do better
>flies off
>another story with "all white men are LE BAD"
that ugly monster is not captain america and never will be k thx
>Extensive Reshoots
that's what they need, to add 120M more to the budget
These movies are budgeted with reshoots in mind.
PUT ANOTHER CHICK IN IT
AND MAKE THE BLACK MAN GAY
>Extensive Reshoots
They are recasting Cap with a white actor, right?
>she hulk
>red hulk
>Black person hulk
>trans hulk
>baby hulk
>grandma hulk
>bird hulk
who writes this shit
You forgot chink hulk, hulk jr. and incel hulk, all of which are an actual thing
>incel hulk
Which one is that one? is that A-bomb or some other new one?
The one from the she hulk show that injected himself with Jen’s blood in the last episode
The director of this was the guy who did The Cloverfield Paradox, so it's no surprise that this is a shitshow.
The Cloverfield Paradox was well-shot, it was the script that was bad.
I just watched the trailer and I disagree, maybe it's just the Netflix sheen but it looks bad, especially the effects.
>anyone that gets a little hulk blood turns into the fricking hulk
Oh just frick off
Can't you get bloodborne diseases from cum too? Maybe She-Hulk's car accident story was a cover up.
>anyone that gets a little hulk blood turns into the fricking hulk
That's been a thing for decades now. Red Hulk was created using a refined version of Hulks blood and Johnny Storms
>Can't you get bloodborne diseases from cum too?
Spider-Man gave MJ vegana cancer because his semen was radioactive.
>That's been a thing for decades now. Red Hulk was created using a refined version of Hulks blood and Johnny Storms
Yes, a refined version that took three scientific minds to develop.
In She Hulk, some just gets into her blood stream and she goes full blown hulk. In fact, she's an even better hulk.
>some just gets into her blood stream and she goes full blown hulk.
It's because they share DNA.
>Spider-Man gave MJ vegana cancer because his semen was radioactive.
Going by comic book logic if getting bit by a radioactive spider turns you into Spider-Man shouldn't getting radioactive cum inside you turn you into a slime girl?
Who actually wants The Falcon as Captain America?
Whose favourite character is Sam Wilson?
Of the three series that launched the MCU TV experiment TF&TWS was definitely the least well received.
>you can make super soldiers with captain america blood
>you can make hulks with hulk blood
>you can make thors with thors hammer
>a teenager girl can make iron man armor in her garage
What's next
It got watched more than Ms Marvel but yeah
>Do better senator
>It got watched more than Ms Marvel but yeah
Yeah because viewership on those shows is trending down. Loki season 2 got fewer viewers than the first one, and I doubt Echo or Agatha are going to draw people in.
Iger or some other bigwig said they had like a 5 year plan.
Agatha just shows that were like oh people are making gifs and memes about this niche character, give her a show, quick
2024 is going to be bleak for the MCU. Deadpool 3 which will probably make money but it's all about versions of characters who are on the way out, and on the live action TV front just Echo and Agatha. Maybe it'll break people out of the habit and when the 4 new movies come around in 2025 (assuming some don't get pushed or outright cancelled) people just won't show up for them anymore.
>it's all about versions of characters who are on the way out,
How many times has Hugh Jackman retired and been brought back
> just Echo and Agatha.
Top lel. Echo where the people behind it said her comic powers are lame and Agatha who is just a meme.
Disney are seriously going to have to course-correct.
>>you can make super soldiers with captain america blood
>>you can make hulks with hulk blood
>>you can make thors with thors hammer
>>a teenager girl can make iron man armor in her garage
And you can catch AIDS by buttfricking homosexual homosexuals like every Disney executive does, and now has.
I like him because I thought Anthony Mackie seemed like a pretty fun guy, but I don't really think he was right to be Captain America. Winter Soldier guy should've been the new Cap because he's got that more calm and reserved feeling to his acting which makes for a lead like Captain America.
Also their show was a disappointment- had the potential to be a Lethal Weapon type kino (or just a comedic buddy cop thing like Psyche), instead it devolved into muh secret society and muh racism bullshit.
>muh secret society
What secret society? The villains were just a superpowered ANTIFA.
In a sane world, that poster would be a silly meme from Cinemaphile.
WTF are studios thinking?
Falcon is such a bland character and Anthony Mackie is not leading man material.
>Anthony Mackie is not leading man material
He's great in Twisted Metal, but he's playing himself in that.
It's crazy that they went ahead with the movie after his tv show was memoryholed by all the next day. But I guess they would rather burn money rather than have some rando calling them racists on twitter.
The show did well. Only later did the discourse turn against it, and mostly on Cinemaphile. To normies it was alright, a bit boring at worst.
It ended up memoryholed super fast. Critics only loved it because of the racial commentary.
>It ended up memoryholed super fast.
Most things are nowadays. Look at Barbieheimer.
WandaVision and Loki also ended on big cliffhangers and naturally generated more discussion.
Yeah that's true.
>the plot is too confusing and needs to be streamlined.
And they only noticed it now, after shooting the whole movie? jej
End the MCU now!
Good luck getting audiences to care without Chris Evans in the role
Mackie seems like a nice guy but people want Bucky as Cap
They want Bucky to remain his own character so he can lead the Thunderbolts.
who's the character on the far left
It's Karen.
Valentina de Fontaine I think, from FatWS, the black widow post credits scene and wakanda forever
>the executive decision to tank an entire disney+ show as well as a full captain America movie and deal with literal years of backlash was to culminate in a box office bomb about nobody side characters
I'm sure bro, they are making financially sound decisions. Why can't you just admit they wanted to make a black guy cap just for diversity points?
They want to make a black guy cap (which is also what is happening in the comics) AND springboard a new franchise. To them it is a win/win.
You know what happened in the comics before black cap? Bucky cap. The thunderbolts will bomb. There was no logic to this decision. Why are you defending zogslop?
I am not defending their decision. I am telling WHY they made their dumbass decision.
>years of backlash
What backlash? Nobody outside of Cinemaphile is sperging about Falcon Cap. At worst they find him boring.
>At worst they find him boring.
But that's literally the worst thing possible for an mc, let alone an action mc.
if he's leading them why is the midget chick in front and center?
They're co-leads.
because you'll think pugh is great and talented and like it dammit
Captain America? But that's a Black person.
Maybe you forgot about a man named George Floyd
Word is they are cutting out Sabra and the whole segment in Israel.
AND THEYRE MAKING HER EXTRA GAY. AND LAME.
They would need to be insane to keep that in, no matter if the israelites are running Hollywood.
Aye homieez
Why in the hell logically would Steve not pass the shield to Bucky? They’ve been friends longer been through hell together, and Bucky actually has the skill and physical ability to wield the shield as well as he could. Meanwhile, Sam’s just some with a fancy wing suit.
you know why.
Bucky doesn't want the shield, simple as. All he wants is to chill and dip his metallic fingers in chocolate pussy, but life keeps forcing him to go out and save the world.
>"he doesn't want it because...he just doesn't, okay? Executives said so!"
>ignores two full movies of character development as well as bucky actually using the shield the same way cap does
>Sam throws it all of one time in the entire mcu leading up to endgame
It was purely a diversiteam decision for blacktain America and you know it
The executive reason is here
Bucky is popular enough on his own and they're using that popularity to springboard a new franchise.
Cause he is white and male.
See the new ironman replacement
See the new black panther replacement
See the new hawkeye replacement
See the new hulk replacement
Notice something?
PUT A NIG IN IT AND MAKE HIM MOIST
nobody likes that black actor. why cant they just admit it? if it were will smoth or somene, it would do fine.
There's nothing wrong with Anthony, he's not a bad dude at all. It's just Captain America is white. You could have Will Smith playing him, wouldn't matter. We all recognize him as an Anglo. You can't just snap your fingers and undo 70 years of recognition. Just like nobody wants to see Spawn as an Asian, or Shang Chi as a Puerto Rican. Of course those are far smaller scale characters but the point stands.
They will try.
And they will bomb horrendous.
>There's nothing wrong with Anthony, he's not a bad dude at all.
i don't give a shit about his character. he looks stupid as frick and nobody likes him.
america is america regardless of what color the people are running the country into the ground, or something
Did he get powers in the TV show? I didn’t watch
No
Finally, a superhero that looks just like me.
I'm not going to see any movie with a black Captain America and that's all there is to it
>dead Celestial actually being brought up agan
Neat.
Who wants to watch a movie with Mackie as the lead?
There is this one moron in this thread who says people will cause Captain America
I never said that. I said the character is currently an A list draw, which is liable to change once this movie bombs. You are so hopped up on streetshitter curry fecal matter you are seeing words where they don't exist
We already know from this thread that people won't watch him cause he is now black and still you persist. Lmao.
>agrees with me on accident again
Based ESL
>words cannot be given arbitrary meanings
>but uhh, A-Lister ONLY refers to actors, it can't refer to characters!!
LOL
>the character is currently an A list draw
that's still not a thing. It's a meaningless collection of words. A-list means someone high paid and sought after in Hollywood, you stupid mouthbreather. Go back to your 3rd world country.
Did you know A list can also refer to CHARACTERS? In COMIC BOOKS? Or were you not aware of this? Just making sure.
google 'A-list draw' and you'll get 0 resultts. You can't use the word in that way. Ignoramus.
Oh damn, so you're actually just a dipshit. Nice.
>Leader has been playing 5D chess to increase political tensions
Anon is telling you morons that 'Captain America' is a mantle that gets handed down and there are definitely fans of various hero mantles. They even made a TV show based entirely on this. I will say however that marvel historically does villain mantles better than the hero ones.
And what this anon is leaving out is that it only really sticks in Alt-universe stuff and "theoretical future" issues. Legacy heroes usually need a huge artificial push and even with that- almost always fail terribly. Ms. Marvel's a good example here.
>it only really sticks in Alt-universe stuff and "theoretical future" issues.
Another moron. Again you're focusing on heroes, which is why I specifically addressed that marvel does it better with villains. Ronin, the mantle that MCU Hawkeye takes up when he went rogue is one such mantle.
I understood what you were saying anon. I'm adding that it rarely ever works.
>Hawkeye
You bloody idiot, Hawkeye "goes bad" every full moon. It's been his thing since the golden age.
>They refer to character
>Ignores the fact that Evan's Cap and Sam's Cap are two different character
Lmao. The fricking state of you.
Different characters? Sure, to an extent--however, the evolution of Captain America sees that the old Captain doesn't exist and the new Captain forms all of his roles, including helming the same movies that the old Captain would've helmed.
By that metric, they are intended to be the same archetype within the movies, and thus one benefits from the other's draw. It will be considered the same draw, in fact, until he no longer is an A-Lister (which will probably happen after this movie).
Based ESL
If you change everything about a character except the name, it is a new character. Giving a new character a popular name from an old character doesn't give him the same popularity as the old character. It is that simple, moron.
You're right. Does that change what Captain America is NOW, though? Do you think an executive who's looking at the character's track history will see it your way, or do you think the movie will go on to be released with a 250+ million dollar budget, because he is an A-LIST CHARACTER?
What do you think, Rajesh? Think! Think hard!
>Muh executives
It doesn't matter what muh executives think. What is important is what the audience thinks you fricking imbecile. Executives also think Brie and Captain Marvel is a A list draw. Oh look, the Marvels bombed in the cinemas LIKE EVERYONE FRICKING PREDICTED.
>A list draw
Still not a thing
A-list draw simply means the drawing power of an A-lister. Which Brie Larson definitely had.
Ridiculous. I like Steve, and it helps that he was portrayed by Evans. I also like Bucky and Sebastian Stan, he should have gotten the mantle.
I'm indifferent toward Sam and actively dislike that anti-draw, no dimes shitter Mackie.
But according to anon so long as they put Captain America in the title, it is an A-list draw
>Please ignore he is now played by a new person and actor
Lmao
This stupid curryeating Black person can't even speak coherently and is calling others ESL
it has name recognition and a powerful draw: yes
it does not have A-list actors. It does not have anything to do with A-list. Speak English properly or go back.
Learn the use of basic adjectives before you come in here parading around your stupidity, you bean eating wetback.
The funny thing is "Rajesh" and A-List anon are both right, they're just arguing semantics kek. Yes, the name is a big draw, and also, yes, the movie will bomb because anyone who gives a frick about the MCU already made up their minds years ago that Captain America is not and never will be a Black, so the fact that "Captain America" is on the poster is essentially irrelevant.
Yeah, Rajesh has just been aggressively agreeing with me while calling me a moron for like 20 minutes now. I do not know what's going on. Some larper claiming to be from Hollywood also jumped in saying some shit about sophistry and claiming A-List can only refer to actors in Hollywood (??).
Just horrendous stupidity in capeslop threads
I said Captain America played by Chris Evan is a different character from Captain America played by Mackie. Your moron ass says they are the same character because they both have the same title. I agreed with you regarding Chris, but disagree with you when you say it carries over to Mackie. Fricking moron.
I never said they were the same character. One is an evolution of the old character, meant to fit the same archetype.
Read up.
This has nothing to do with the argument. You are losing your mind, Ramesh!
If it is an evolution of an old character and everyone knows it, why the frick would it have the same popularity as the old character?
It won't. It does now, statistically. It will not. Right now, it is being marketed and sold as an A-List draw with Harrison Ford on board and what I speculate as easily a 250+ million dollar budget. Marvel would not do this to a non A-list character.
I know you're going to get all moronic in a second here and say some shit about "but muh blacks he sucks" and I want you to know pre-emptively that I agree. This character will not sell to the amount the studio intends. As of now, he does, though.
Now you are trying to move the goalpost and frame it as what executives think is A-list. So here let's end this moronic shit.
Disney executive MAY think Captain America is still an A lister.
Everyone else who is not delusional aka the rest of the world knows he is no longer an A lister.
Happy?
Captain America is an A-lister MCU character.
To Disney executives.
Not to the rest of the world when he is played by Mackie.
Actually Black person cap is the same as regular cap because of headline attraction. You know, headline atraction, words I heard once on a Telenovela and never bothered looking up in the dictionary for their real meaning. LANGUAGE AND GENDER IS FLUID SO ANYTHING IS POSSIBLE, THEREFORE CAP IS BLACK
>Ain't that the gay homie from Black Mirror?
-The black audience they're hoping will come see it
You can’t sell a Batmobile movie with Tim Drake as Batman.
Who is this for?
News flash Captain America is not a Black person
>An A-list actor is a major movie star, or one of the most bankable actors in a film industry . The A-list is part of a larger guide called The Hot List, which ranks the bankability of 1,400 movie actors worldwide, [1] and has become an industry-standard guide in Hollywood.
At least learn about the culture you're trying infest, foreigner.
Okay, good definition. Now, have you seen multiple people (besides even me) in this thread talking about CHARACTERS as A-List? You have, haven't you? Do you think if you googled A-List Comic Book Characters you wouldn't see results of characters that are proven to sell and are in a lot of things?
Where the hell is your grievance here, schizo? What is wrong with you?
You're speaking in word salad and using false logic to try and steamroll someone and it's completely obvious. I find it distasteful.
No, that's you. You are refusing to accept that the term "a-list draw" can apply to anything but Hollywood actors, for some reason. Stop acting superior, you are an idiot. Again, language is fluid and definitions should always be accepted going into an argument; you entered an argument that had definitions already set and are trying to lash out to try to redefine.
Even the fricking pajeet is disagreeing with you, and you're on his side.
I don't care about sides. You're a sophist trying to make a false equivalency with pseudologic and it's palpably obvious.
You have a lot to say about what you think I am, but, frankly, I don't give a shit. A-list can refer to characters, too. Eat shit.
it's not who you are but what you're doing that matters here, and what you're doing is invalid discourse
This is a C-list post.
Now you're getting it.
I accept your concession
Reddit-list draw is strong with this post
seethe
Hahahahaha
dilate
>Concession
You literally took the POV of perhaps 10 people in the world vs the rest of the world. And declared yourself victor.
Lmao.
>Now
This is my first post in the thread. You're quite the moron.
What does that being your first post have to do with anything? You're understanding it now.
Meaning is arbitrary, nothing matters, I turned myself into a pickle.
Sebastian Stan should have become bew Captain and people would have run into the theater dropping their shit because Winter Soldier becoming new Cap has a perfect continuation sense and narratively nice, with Sebastian being normal badass looking white actor.
Mackie doesn't even look heroic, he is more of a thief trickster typecast. No one would give a shit about him as Captain.
Capeshit's dying because zoomers don't care for it and the diversity hire recent caats lack star power
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I just don't like the idea of a black Captain America. Does he really represent this people?
It is not just he is black.
His powers are also boring as frick. He is literally a regular human except now he throws a shield.
yes but a list draw uh ughgluggluglug *sucks wiener* a list draw *wipes semen from mouth* a list draw *takes another Black persondick up ass* a list draw therefore it's the same captain america that everyone will see, you see
cope
I don't know man, it's not like cap's powers are super interesting. He's just stronger than average human, even if he's the strongest one it's not so special.
MUCH MUCH stronger than the strongest human, much much faster, much much more agile, etc. I agree he's got the most boring powers of all heroes, but don't undersell just how ridiculously above and beyond he surpasses every human being on the planet.
>he's got the most boring powers of all heroes
hawkeye literally just shoots a compound bow.
It's not so bad as black widow which is literally just a b***h with a handgun.
I just can’t take this bobble headed dude seriously as captain America
I don’t have a problem with black cap. But could they have gotten literally any other black dude to play him? Mackie is too fricking goofy looking, he looks like the before version of cap before he stepped into the super soldier chamber.
that homie MOIST
>I don't have a problem with black cap
Why not?
That one guy Battlestar in FatWS was pretty cool, I wouldn’t have minded him as cap
Just cancel it.
Black people don't want this movie, white people don't want this movie.
Who wants to watch a movie about the moon cricket that simped for superhuman terrorists and called Bucky privileged.
is he going to look at the camera and say ayoooo do better
>>The movie reportedly received negative internal test scores,
INTERNAL INCELS ARE REVIEWBOMBING BLACKTAIN AMERICA!
doesnt red hulk need to be someone full of anger and energy?
And they get lethargic harrison "death bed" ford? Seriously?
oh yeah because mark ruffalo is so full of anger and energy
harrison ford could probably beat him
mark ruffalo was a terrible choice too for that reason and the fact he's a stupid gay
>for that reason
It's obvious that Disney is not interested in an angry/scary Hulk. He gets toned down in each subsequent movie until Endgame where he's dabbing with the kids and in She-Hulk he's a new dad taking time off to be with his poorly CGI'd kid.
>Hawkeye "goes bad" every full moon
That doesn't address my point about the mantle of RONIN. Read homie! Read!
Saturation of the event as a counterpoint to "Oh this is in the MCU" effectiveness is a legitimate counterpoint you underdeveloped argumentative clown. No one will seriously say Kamala is a decent character. Most people would agree that she's oversaturated. Catch. Up.
Are they going to use Apple and Microsoft etc. to buy out theatres and prop this one up like Black Panther? We didn't even see Indiana Jones and grew up loving that franchise, what makes them think we'll pay for this piece of shit?
They're reshooting because they managed to get RDJ back.
Practically every movie has test screenings and reshoots don't they?
>It allegedly had nothing to do with the movie featuring Sabra due to the Israel-Hamas war
Thats so much bullshit, it'll flop like a dead whale in the middle east and attract a shit load of protests around the world.
dude it was so easy to turn The Patriot into the new antagonist. You could make it some secret government organization like MJ12 actually trying to reproduce the supersolder serium, or even discuss the implications of releasing such a serum to the general public or the world, but nah you gotta make him a Trump sprouting racist terrorist.
>or even discuss the implications of releasing such a serum to the general public
The did this in Falcon and WS
Characters who are just extremely good at one thing without any explanation as to why are my favorites.
Fricking Bullseye man.
In fairness there's an explanation for Hawkeye, he was a circus performer trained by master archer Trick Shot and the master swordsman named... Swordsman. With Bullseye though they never even try to explain it. He's a low-level latent superhuman in my personal headcanon
How many more box office flops can the MCU take before Disney stops making marvel movies? I don't think they can even reboot it at this point because nobody gives a shit anymore
They have no choice but to limp along until secret wars, they’re in too deep now
>The movie reportedly received negative internal test scores
Wow- who would have thought replacing Captian America/Chris Evans with a character no one gives a frick about would turn out bad
Why did MCU phase 4 and 5 fail so much? People say woke shit caused it but I think that's only part of the problem. Why did the quality of all the movies take a nose dive after Endgame (besides No Way Home)?
They started adapting stories and characters by a guy named Brian Bendis. If the name sounds familiar it's because the guy killed DC comics. They hired him on for 5 mil and gave him control over most of the plotlines and stuff right after he killed Marvel comics. And now he's going to be responsible for the death of the MCU.
>Replacing popular characters with literally whos
>Thousand mediocre Disney+ shows released every year, that no adult man can keep up with
>No focus, everything feels disconnected.
>Woke shit
Reminder that they're making Agatha tv show. Who asked for that, again?
Wokeness is a part of it but I'll explain a bit more.
>In the mid-00s Marvel comics launched a new series of stories under the flagship:
>All New-All Different
>The idea was to draw in more female readers and promote 'equality'
>They even had press conferences about it
>In reality they were just trying to find a new demographic to recover lost sales
>All of the male heroes were made to look like jokes while being saved by their female counterparts at every turn
>it blew up in the faces and they backpedaled
>normally movie studios use comic book sales to determine which story lines are popular enough to spend millions on to make a movie or show
>the moron they had in charge at disney chose the worst series of stories. Stories from All New-All Different
>surprise surprise in blew up in their faces
ANAD was in the 2010s, definitely not the 2000s. The 2000s were a renaissance for Marvel while ANAD was its fricking demise
>ITT: anons lose track of who they are arguing with and switch sides
Whatever the time period was I'm still right. They bet on the wrong horse instead of using their own marketing data
Only arguing the time period, I agree with the rest
>diversity hire Avenger whose only power is using Stark tech
>gets his own movie
does anyone even give a shit about bootleg a-train? the only thing that supposedly makes him special is having a jetpack
I like Sam in the comics and in the MCU but in both I don't care much for his version of Cap. I really only ever liked Steve as Cap and none of the people that tried to replace him and I think they ae all better at being their own characters.
The arguing part wasn't aimed at you. Should have clarified. I meant the knuckleheads arguing over something else.
no way harrison ford is still alive by the time this shit comes out