>Cartoons losing their angular artstyle
>Offensive jokes are pratically nonexistent
>Fake happiness and upbeat attitude
>Tumblr safeness and atmosphere of coffeeshop AUs
Has there been a cultural shift against edgy media, especially cartoons?
>Cartoons losing their angular artstyle. >Offensive jokes are pratically nonexistent
I noticed this with the Invader Zim movie. The sharp angles were rounded and softened. The human characters all had healthy, natural tans instead of gaunt pallid Burtonesque features. Mouths weren’t full of crooked unending teeth.
It wasn’t bad but it was definitely gentler than the show
It's because today's animators are shit.
>It's because today's executives are shit.
ftfy
Animators today have skill. They're all being held back by people above them.
I really liked the Dib and Prof. Membrane subplot but god was it surreal. Very different from his father and Gaz had nothing but open disdain for him.
That's why it's hard for me to view it as a continuation of the show. It's a reboot.
Vasquez wanted you to be able to tell that the Membranes are hispanic
The Zim movie is especially noticeable in tone. The characters are way less hostile and openly caring to one another. Like
stated Gaz and Membrane would never show affection for Dib let alone say they cared for or loved him. It's even noticeable with Dib's reaction to Zim's loss of will when he discovers Earth isn't on the tallest's invasion path. Original series Dib would never show concern for Zim and would have gladly used the opportunity to prove he wasn't insane because at the end of the day Dib was a narcissist douche that only saved Earth out of pride.
The entire orignal series was cynical and dark and it was such a shame seeing Florpus throw that all away to cater to modern sensibilities.
That's another thing I feel the term "edgy" has done. It makes fun of people that are socially aware and don't buy into endlessly hopeful optimism.
>It makes fun of people that are socially aware and don't buy into endlessly hopeful optimism.
This. I'll accept if something's the bad type of edge if the gore or horror is unnecessary, doesn't at much or anything to the plot, or both, and is just there for only shock value. But when It's done in an interesting and well written way, there's no real issue with it. It's just become another way of disregarding more negative aspects of things because it's too unhappy or depressing for a good amount of people.
It was mostly to cater to the fanbase as well.
That has more to do with Vazquez turning the page, when he did the series he was younger and edgy.
Exactly the problem
Never grow up, kids
i thought it was like that so it'd more closely resemble his comic?
>show tones are now homogenized because statistic that's what kids want, the same shit over and over again
That's not even true.
cant wait for the next disney brown girl mc with super powers and/or brought into a mystical fantasy environment for Cinemaphile to become hyper obsessed over as the creator throws lesbian undertones with other connected characters as the writing and visual storyboarding is nothing but "spot the reference" to other successful media .
I knew this thread was familiar. Why do people even post the same thread over and over again? It's not like the opinions are going to drastically change over the course of weeks?
they hope it's not the same sad 20 homosexuals posting on Cinemaphile all day every day of course
What a shame, it's always the same sad 20 homosexuals posting
did you read whats in the op? thats echochamber call and response chum if ive ever seen it. actually correcting the homosexual will just lead to more people agreeing with buzzword verbatim, would even call it a conversation really. cant even say it looks like bots responding to bots because after openai's Cinemaphile dataset, thats not even half as moronic as the average Cinemaphile user who only uses Cinemaphile to shitpost and go oh no no at whatever twitter news that hot for the day.
It all used to based on Blackrock and focus groups.
I can't wait for gritty Eastern-bloc hyperrealism as the retaliation against this soft style. I want to see these leftists go insane trying to spin their art style's erasure of poverty as good
This is what you get for making fun of things for being "edgy". Reap what you've sown.
Just because Calarts sucks doesn't mean Hone Vasquez's coffee-ground diarrhea linework was good.
hey look it's the same thread again
It's the lack of line definition around the eyes that bothers me with the new rugrats. It's just like how Samurai Jack didn't have any either in s5. It's such a minuscule change that adds a surprising amount of uncomfortability.
Making fun of edgy stuff I feel was warranted at one point, but I feel like it was part of a bad trend where now literally anything with any degree of harshness or dire tonality is considered to be "edgy"
I feel as though the term "edgy" has gone from meaning
>"Empty shock value."
To
>"I'm offended by literally anything harsh. Don't wrongthink and go against my puritanical, sheltered ideals."
The term is 100% a thought terminating cliche and an American corpo buzzword, because the only time you ever see it get used is in reference to harmless pop media and not towards anything genuinely pushing boundaries.
This is a copy pasta, but it doesn't make it any less true
Really? Its complete bullshit. Where's the actual evidence that there's been a big cultural shift against edgy stuff?
Bob's Burgers
How?
The series is just a reflection of the humor/contemporary attitude of its time. Watch it and see.
No it isn't. The audience isn't against edgy stuff now. You're just a gay with a persecution complex.
Yes it is and most of them are. A lot of them are put off by stuff that was normal by The Simpson's standards.
What is considered "edgy" now is having a gay couple in a show, thats all it takes
Legend of Korra already did it a decade ago
That hasn't been edgy in over a decade my dude.
You mean to reactionaries or to normal people? Because stuff like that was normalized a decade ago. It's not advant garde.
>they are pushing the envelope
Ten years too late, sweetie. It's not avant-garde to pull something Korra and other cartoons did years ago back when it was still somewhat taboo to do so. It's not shocking, it's a lazy device used to act like the show has merit simply because "muh representation", as regurgitated by anon earlier as an example of how it makes new shows better. It doesn't.
Sounds more like you're strawmanning off of anecdotal evidence.
Gib specific examples of edgy stuff being mocked, derided or being rejected by an audience.
Even edgy media cant really be edgy anymore. The bloodthirsty hitman who gleefully murders people without a shred of remorse is actually a tortured little cinnamon bun who just needs a liddle wuv UwU.
That's what happens when the latest crop of animators grew up on Naruto. Just wait till the MHA crowd have control
These are the long-term effects of Talk no Justsu
They've been doing this since the mid 1980s. I remember on real ghostbusters, the girl had to have her glasses changed because they were too threatening looking.
Like it or not, the internet indie animation scene is where you are going to get your actual edgy stuff. Not like how most modern adult animations think that just sex or violence is edgy, but actual stuff that pushes the envelope on what is acceptable. You are going to get a lot of deviantart level stuff, but that's the price you pay when you open the flood gates to find that one truly great edgy show.
>Like it or not, the internet indie animation scene is where you are going to get your actual edgy stuff.
If by "the internet indie animation scene" you mean "Japan," then sure.
Westerners can't even deal with stuff like actual slavery in their media nowadays lest someone be offended.
You aren't looking hard enough in that case then.
What are some modern internet animations about or involving slavery?
Define modern.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mII9NZ8MMVM
Besides that, the internet is so vast that there is someone out there who is probably done something. Slav animation for example has a lot of dark subject matter.
>Define modern.
Preferably something within the last decade.
And I was kind of hoping for something with more of a designed narrative as opposed to a 30 minute short detailing some historical events.
I like internet animation, but let's not pretend that it can compete with what a studio can put out on a budget level, I've enjoyed pretty much every Worthikids video but he doesn't exactly have the budget to pull off a full series. I would like it if more American studios were willing to adapt internet media and webnovels or narrative-driven webcomics, but they only ever seem to be interested in the safe, non-edgy stuff.
Well, I'm kinda hoping that since stuff like Smiling Friends and Hazbin Hotel have broke the barrier between industry and internet that we will eventually get an exec who will find something truly interesting to give money to.
Maybe when the American industry finds a way to divorce animation studios from the major media conglomerates things can change, but given how volatile a lot of personalities in the industry are that's likely to be an uphill battle.
Whatever the future may hold for animation, I hope we can all find a happy middle ground between complete edgelords and pointless rounded corner animations.
>Japan does it better because anime
Please leave and never come back
More just "anime is more willing to tackle edgy subjects than most modern western animation, even when it comes off as embarrassing."
And I don't just mean sex and violence.
>but what if this strawman?
how do you idiots let thoughts this dumb escape your brains?
>as a teenager used to erp
>everyone wanted to do a coffee shop au where no one had powers and it was modern day
why was that, why would I want to do an erp that I could just do in real life
how no one said TTG yet?
>Offensive jokes are pratically nonexistent
TTG has this. A lot.