>The Silicon Valley hacker who has the worst stats ends up getting you the most money if you keep hiring him.
Was this game secretly redpilled on code monkeys?
yeah he's a bit part actor or tv only.
No one knew Ogg by name until he did GTA V just like no one knew Ned Luke until GTA V but he was in commericals and bit parts in shows like L&O:SVU
If you wanted a more known actor to play Trevor you could do a lot worse that Walton "moggin" Goggins.
Goodfellas era Liotta would be great as Michael but I'd rather him play Vercetti if they had made a movie about Vice City. I could see Vince Vaughn or McConaughey as Michael. As others said Ice Cubes kid would probably be best as Franklin.
GTA games don't rip off just one movie.
They take parts from several movies and tv
Vice City was obviously Miami Vice and Scarface
GTA V did Heat and other heist movies
Theres a random scene you walk on that's taken from the scene with all the dead bodies and a suitcase from No Country For Old Men, two women running from the cops and drive off a cliff like Thelma and Louise.
The scene in San Andreas with the pizza shop guy berating Ryder saying "I Feel sorry for your dad" is a reference to the "I feel sorry for your mother" scene from Menace II Society but SA was mostly just a nod to 90s gangbanging era of California. I'm not sure about III or IV though
Gta 4 late game quests are very Sopranos ,yes.It kinda sucks and it doesn't connect with the street life missions from early in the game,it does serve as a great setup for the two DLCs
forgot about the French Connection
But I know the last big heist from V where you had the muscle cars going into the bridge to hide in semi trailers was taken from one movie, I thought it was Heat but I could be wrong, haven't seen Heat in years.
4 is Rockstar's first attempt at a story with depth so the references aren't as clear as earlier GTAs,i do know there was a russian movie they based the first act of the story on,but the characters themselves(Niko,Roman) aren't blatant copies of movies
They don't rip off movies on the level of games. They rip them off on a mission-by-mission basis. It's why the overall story for the games is typically meandering and incoherent or really basic.
>I'm not sure about III or IV though
Just off the top of my head, IV ripped off Heat for the big bank heist and the French Connection for one mission.
so basically rockstar were living the dream life of every millennial of taking their love of vidya and Cinemaphile and making a comfy living out of it
The GenXers at rockstar were amazing.
Millenial generation not so much.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Millenial here.
But I'm inclined to agree. Even the music chosen for Vice City and SA was great.
I don't give a shit about how poorly the remasters of the trilogy was, the biggest frick up was not getting the rights to ALL of the songs on the Vice City Stations.
2 years ago
Anonymous
I'm a millenial too. All I was trying to get to is that there is a massive dip in quality. A lot of inspiration and edginess has gone.
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Yeah the lack of music was a deal breaker for me on the remasters as well.
Why were the music stations for the liberty city based games so horrible? The only song I remember from GTA IV that I knew that wasn't bad was Pony by Ginuwine and maybe an R Kelly song if I remember.Was R* trying to say something about New York tastes?
2 years ago
Anonymous
For the first one I was 9 so I just put on the techno/dance radio channel
GTA 4 yeah, all I remember is Kanye and Flashing Lights haha
2 years ago
Anonymous
>Why were the music stations for the liberty city based games so horrible?
Because they started taking themselves seriously. A lot of it is shit they actually like, not just troll music or guilty pleasures. If you think that shit is bad, you should check out what the stations in GTA Online have become.
2 years ago
Anonymous
I noticed the last time I played online (months ago) there were new stations but I stick to Rebel Radio the 80s station, and some times Radio Los Santos for Captain Save-A-Hoe.
2 years ago
Anonymous
I didn't say they were millennials though
I know we're not all that
2 years ago
Anonymous
I'm a millenial too. All I was trying to get to is that there is a massive dip in quality. A lot of inspiration and edginess has gone.
Millenial here.
But I'm inclined to agree. Even the music chosen for Vice City and SA was great.
I don't give a shit about how poorly the remasters of the trilogy was, the biggest frick up was not getting the rights to ALL of the songs on the Vice City Stations.
Yeah the lack of music was a deal breaker for me on the remasters as well.
Sorta. It's just a different ethos towards creativity. Everyone thinks they can write but then they quickly realize it's not just spouting ideas so they start to "tribute" their favorite movies, actors, etc. and it really ends up being just ripping off shit because you don't want to hire a writer. Even studios that do hire professional writers eventually fire them and pull this shit. I suppose the temptation if you're a game designer is too great. Save all that money AND get to call yourself a "writer" when all you did was rip off your favorite movies. And zoom zooms on the internet will still worship you, call you genius, and blather endlessly about the "story" in the game even though ti's completely derivative, soulless crap that's vastly inferior to the film it took from.
Naughty Dog ripped off Ellen Page's likeness so hard she sued them and then chopped her own breasts off.
That's literally how movies and games are made.
If you're going to have a game set in the 80s you're going to have 80s cars and music.
Why are you upset about that?
Never watched that yet but it's constantly on TV when I go to my parents house to visit.
Should I watch it?
2 years ago
Anonymous
Yeah. Also watch donnie brasko
2 years ago
Anonymous
Been wanting to watch Brasko, super interested in the actual case, and it's got some of my favorite actors, I'm biased for New England crime movies.
I wish they'd make a GTA based more on Boston and Mass as a whole.
2 years ago
Anonymous
You have to watch all of Brian De Palma's movies. ALL OF THEM.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Any movie or show Rockstar pays homage or copies is good.They're great at finding good stuff,same for music
2 years ago
Anonymous
Rockstar actually hate video games. They're hipsters who wanted to be in the music business but they ended up in gaming because they're shallows fricks and that was "the next big thing". It's sort of why the company is how it is and the games have the sort of humor they do. They're always being passive-aggressive towards the player because they really don't like video games and honestly sort of resent you for playing their game. It sounds bizarre but I've been playing their games for a long time and was a fan of Lazlow for years. They don't like you.
They don't rip off movies on the level of games. They rip them off on a mission-by-mission basis. It's why the overall story for the games is typically meandering and incoherent or really basic.
there are no original stories left.
Everything is inspired by something.
So yes the cowboy game is going to reference, homage, or be influenced by john wayne and clint eastwood movies, or spaghetti westerns.
Also that's what rockstar does. Rockstar is to videogames what south park and family guy is to tv. They reference shit so people can point at the screen and say "I KNOW THAT BULGE"
>Everything is inspired by something.
inspiration =/= ripping shit off
They don't even try to translate it or work on the level of themes. They literally plug entire plots into their games, changing enough to not get sued. In some cases, like with Naughty Dog, they do get sued.
Again, they take those things and plug them in so people point at the screen and say "this is just like that thing I also know about!"
Not saying it's terrible, but takes a lot to make it work
Both of them are very inspired by the Proposition and Wild Bunch but RDR2 has a very good story for an open world,one of the best prequels in any media together with Better Call Saul.
RDR 1 is more of a collage of western pastiche and gta style humor with a 3rd act that caught everyone off guard
RDR2's story is fine but it's vastly too long. They made a terrible mistake focusing on Arthur and that gang exclusively. Instead, they should have split the game up into 3 or even 4 retellings of the same basic narrative but from the perspective of 3 or 4 different factions. The game has a real problem with making the anti-hero Dutch's Gang nearly the only "good guys" and everyone else shallow cartoon villains.
They're portrayed as the "outlaws with morals" trope that even Bonnie McFarlane in the first game talked shit about.
And one of the first lines in RDR2 after saving Sadie was Dutch saying "We aren't good people, but we ain't them" referring to the O'Driscolls.
It's a tired cliche and it's getting sickening at how many people find it so endearing.
"We rob people as need robbing, save people as need saving, and kill people as need killing"
Frick off. Do what you do but quit patting yourself on the back for it, game/movie.
The whole point of the game is that the trope is inevitably a lie. Did you even finish it or did that just fly right over your head?
2 years ago
Anonymous
it's the huge part of the mentality until they reach that inevitability. Again, it's a trope that they are "the bad guys with a heart" unitl they realize they were just bad guys all along, justifying themselves until they understand they were just making excuses.
see
they are literally not portrayed like that, arthur becomes like that when he realizes he is going to die, and the rest of the gang gives him shit for it until they kill him.
and
>"We rob people as need robbing, save people as need saving, and kill people as need killing" >Frick off. Do what you do but quit patting yourself on the back for it, game/movie.
What's really great are the lengths they have to go to in order to justify killing so many people as the game progresses. Once you get to Saint Denis, it literally starts morphing into some perverse GTA nightmare land full of frothing racists, incest hillbillies, genocidal maniacs, and deranged cultists. All in order to fashion enough NPCs that can be summarily executed by the player whilst maintaining the gay "moral" framework that they setup for their narrative.
it's always fitting until suddenly the boot doesn't fit, at least the game stops trying to cram the foot into the boot and admits the boot no longer fits their ideas.
they are literally not portrayed like that, arthur becomes like that when he realizes he is going to die, and the rest of the gang gives him shit for it until they kill him.
>"We rob people as need robbing, save people as need saving, and kill people as need killing" >Frick off. Do what you do but quit patting yourself on the back for it, game/movie.
What's really great are the lengths they have to go to in order to justify killing so many people as the game progresses. Once you get to Saint Denis, it literally starts morphing into some perverse GTA nightmare land full of frothing racists, incest hillbillies, genocidal maniacs, and deranged cultists. All in order to fashion enough NPCs that can be summarily executed by the player whilst maintaining the gay "moral" framework that they setup for their narrative.
>saving Sadie was Dutch saying "We aren't good people, but we ain't them" referring to the O'Driscolls.
Here's a tip,don't believe Dutch.
Every grandiose statement about the gang comes from him,and the other people(including Arthur) are his parrots.
Hosea is the one self aware about the shit they do while Dutch justifies his atrocities with poetry
Dutch's gang aren't good guys,they bought into Dutch's cult bullshit but some members of the game already realized they were never Robin Hoods as early as chapter 2
Arthur's tragedy is that he remained blind with loyalty until it was too late.Hosea and John already were calling Dutch out in the early game.Even after Guarma he was trying to follow Dutch
The Italian could be blamed on brain damage sustained by Dutch after the trolley wreck which some youtuber went into detail about, or he just got tired of a dago talking shit and lost his temper.
The Cuba woman is when I personally thought "oh there's the psychotic Dutch"
But Arthur was beginning to question Dutch at the pre story ferry job where he shot the girl in the head.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>But Arthur was beginning to question Dutch at the pre story ferry job where he shot the girl in the head.
So many people forget or ignore this. One of the first lines iin this new game is that Dutch killed some civilians on a heist.
One of Dutch's last lines in the old game is him telliing John that he kills for fun.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>One of Dutch's last lines in the old game is him telliing John that he kills for fun.
I'll say from fan perspective Dutch believed his shit at the beginning, but the deterioration of the gang and the advancement of "civilization" in the West, he started to realize "I am what they say I am, I am an outlaw and if they want the monster they say I am I will become what they want"
He truly believed what he preached but he just said frick it I do what I want basically.
>Dutch's gang aren't good guys
You're right, but you know what I mean. They're set up as anti-heroes on the side of the protagonist, at least initially. I think riding that donkey for 50-100 hours was a mistake and they should have explored other factions and main characters building around a central event.
You can't make this movie because Ray Liotta has died.
he would've been way too old
An old man with dyed hair would be pretty on-brand for the character.
michael : de niro
trevor : idris elba
franklin : john boyega
>de niro
That boy?
The guys who portrayed them in the game?
>The Silicon Valley hacker who has the worst stats ends up getting you the most money if you keep hiring him.
Was this game secretly redpilled on code monkeys?
>if you keep hiring him.
The game blatantly tells you if you keep picking the guys shit stats that they will improve over time.
The guy from not-facebook office?
Here's your Trevor.
Why would you 'cast' a video game that's already just ripping off movies? That's literally all Rockstar games.
You realize the guy who plays Trevor is already an actor, right? He was in Westworld and showed Elsie his big fat Canadian shlong.
yeah he's a bit part actor or tv only.
No one knew Ogg by name until he did GTA V just like no one knew Ned Luke until GTA V but he was in commericals and bit parts in shows like L&O:SVU
If you wanted a more known actor to play Trevor you could do a lot worse that Walton "moggin" Goggins.
Goodfellas era Liotta would be great as Michael but I'd rather him play Vercetti if they had made a movie about Vice City. I could see Vince Vaughn or McConaughey as Michael. As others said Ice Cubes kid would probably be best as Franklin.
which movie did san andreas rip off?
GTA games don't rip off just one movie.
They take parts from several movies and tv
Vice City was obviously Miami Vice and Scarface
GTA V did Heat and other heist movies
Theres a random scene you walk on that's taken from the scene with all the dead bodies and a suitcase from No Country For Old Men, two women running from the cops and drive off a cliff like Thelma and Louise.
The scene in San Andreas with the pizza shop guy berating Ryder saying "I Feel sorry for your dad" is a reference to the "I feel sorry for your mother" scene from Menace II Society but SA was mostly just a nod to 90s gangbanging era of California. I'm not sure about III or IV though
>I'm not sure about III or IV though
Just off the top of my head, IV ripped off Heat for the big bank heist and the French Connection for one mission.
And Sopranos.
I miss GTA 4 so much haha
Gta 4 late game quests are very Sopranos ,yes.It kinda sucks and it doesn't connect with the street life missions from early in the game,it does serve as a great setup for the two DLCs
forgot about the French Connection
But I know the last big heist from V where you had the muscle cars going into the bridge to hide in semi trailers was taken from one movie, I thought it was Heat but I could be wrong, haven't seen Heat in years.
4 is Rockstar's first attempt at a story with depth so the references aren't as clear as earlier GTAs,i do know there was a russian movie they based the first act of the story on,but the characters themselves(Niko,Roman) aren't blatant copies of movies
Bro 4 is 100% Brat. Maybe not in story but tone and aesthetics is the same
so basically rockstar were living the dream life of every millennial of taking their love of vidya and Cinemaphile and making a comfy living out of it
The GenXers at rockstar were amazing.
Millenial generation not so much.
Millenial here.
But I'm inclined to agree. Even the music chosen for Vice City and SA was great.
I don't give a shit about how poorly the remasters of the trilogy was, the biggest frick up was not getting the rights to ALL of the songs on the Vice City Stations.
Why were the music stations for the liberty city based games so horrible? The only song I remember from GTA IV that I knew that wasn't bad was Pony by Ginuwine and maybe an R Kelly song if I remember.Was R* trying to say something about New York tastes?
For the first one I was 9 so I just put on the techno/dance radio channel
GTA 4 yeah, all I remember is Kanye and Flashing Lights haha
>Why were the music stations for the liberty city based games so horrible?
Because they started taking themselves seriously. A lot of it is shit they actually like, not just troll music or guilty pleasures. If you think that shit is bad, you should check out what the stations in GTA Online have become.
I noticed the last time I played online (months ago) there were new stations but I stick to Rebel Radio the 80s station, and some times Radio Los Santos for Captain Save-A-Hoe.
I didn't say they were millennials though
I know we're not all that
I'm a millenial too. All I was trying to get to is that there is a massive dip in quality. A lot of inspiration and edginess has gone.
Yeah the lack of music was a deal breaker for me on the remasters as well.
Sorta. It's just a different ethos towards creativity. Everyone thinks they can write but then they quickly realize it's not just spouting ideas so they start to "tribute" their favorite movies, actors, etc. and it really ends up being just ripping off shit because you don't want to hire a writer. Even studios that do hire professional writers eventually fire them and pull this shit. I suppose the temptation if you're a game designer is too great. Save all that money AND get to call yourself a "writer" when all you did was rip off your favorite movies. And zoom zooms on the internet will still worship you, call you genius, and blather endlessly about the "story" in the game even though ti's completely derivative, soulless crap that's vastly inferior to the film it took from.
Naughty Dog ripped off Ellen Page's likeness so hard she sued them and then chopped her own breasts off.
Umm its actually Elliot Page now sweety
>game references x stuff from x year
That's crazy bro
That's literally how movies and games are made.
If you're going to have a game set in the 80s you're going to have 80s cars and music.
Why are you upset about that?
>Vice City was obviously Miami Vice and Scarface
Carlito's Way too
Never watched that yet but it's constantly on TV when I go to my parents house to visit.
Should I watch it?
Yeah. Also watch donnie brasko
Been wanting to watch Brasko, super interested in the actual case, and it's got some of my favorite actors, I'm biased for New England crime movies.
I wish they'd make a GTA based more on Boston and Mass as a whole.
You have to watch all of Brian De Palma's movies. ALL OF THEM.
Any movie or show Rockstar pays homage or copies is good.They're great at finding good stuff,same for music
Rockstar actually hate video games. They're hipsters who wanted to be in the music business but they ended up in gaming because they're shallows fricks and that was "the next big thing". It's sort of why the company is how it is and the games have the sort of humor they do. They're always being passive-aggressive towards the player because they really don't like video games and honestly sort of resent you for playing their game. It sounds bizarre but I've been playing their games for a long time and was a fan of Lazlow for years. They don't like you.
yeah its classic pacino kino
Dunkino
They don't rip off movies on the level of games. They rip them off on a mission-by-mission basis. It's why the overall story for the games is typically meandering and incoherent or really basic.
Achievable natty???
Micheal: Vince Vaughn
Trevor: Woody Harrelson
Franklin: O’Shea Jackson Jr.
is GTA just a rip off of movies anyway?
>Franklin
Ryan Gosling
>Trevor
Jim Carrey
>Michael
Tom Cruise
Trevor: Steven Ogg
Michael: Stephen Graham
Franklin: O’Shea Jackson
Hmm I'm not sure I'm sold on them
Trevor: Idris Elba
Michael: John Boyega
Franklin: Eddie Murphy
this is the worst casting i ever seen
the right answer is
Trevor: Eddie Murphy
Micheal: Idris Elba
franklin: John Boyega.
Trevor: Steven Ogg
Michael: Sean Patrick Flanery
Franklin: Laz Alanso
Trevor: Lil Peep
Michael: Lil Romeo
Franklin: Lil Nas X
>Dead
>Might as well be dead
>Dead.
Oops, got Nas X confused with XXXTentashun or whatever the frick that dumb Black person called himself.
>still remember seeing the first trailer back in 2011
>11 years ago
Trevor - Billy Bob Thornton
Micheal - Michael Madsen
Franklin - Don Cheadle
>Don Cheadle
you just really want the movie to suck
Michael - Karl Urban
Trevor - Quentin Tarantino in makeup
Franklin - Michael B. Jordan
Michael: Karl Urban
Trevor: Billy Bob Thornton
Franklin: Michael B. Jordan
Hot dog we have a weiner
Sorry you were close
Admit it. Of the two movies, you'd rather have the one with Quentin Tarantino in makeup.
I bet there are people in this thread that think both red dead redemption games were original stories as well
there are no original stories left.
Everything is inspired by something.
So yes the cowboy game is going to reference, homage, or be influenced by john wayne and clint eastwood movies, or spaghetti westerns.
Also that's what rockstar does. Rockstar is to videogames what south park and family guy is to tv. They reference shit so people can point at the screen and say "I KNOW THAT BULGE"
>Everything is inspired by something.
inspiration =/= ripping shit off
They don't even try to translate it or work on the level of themes. They literally plug entire plots into their games, changing enough to not get sued. In some cases, like with Naughty Dog, they do get sued.
Again, they take those things and plug them in so people point at the screen and say "this is just like that thing I also know about!"
Not saying it's terrible, but takes a lot to make it work
I know the first was very inspired by Unforgiven, but what was the second one copying?
Not him but it's The Wild Bunch.
Except it's a far better version of The Wild Bunch.
I would still recommend watching if you have not seen though.
RDR2 also takes from Butch Casiddy and Sundance Kid,but Butch/Sundance and The Wild Bunch are already similar to each other
>Butch Cassidy and The Sundance Kid
I know the premise but is this worth a watch??
Maybe go to my Father and watch it with him at the weekend
Both of them are very inspired by the Proposition and Wild Bunch but RDR2 has a very good story for an open world,one of the best prequels in any media together with Better Call Saul.
RDR 1 is more of a collage of western pastiche and gta style humor with a 3rd act that caught everyone off guard
RDR2s story is okay the first time around. It's absolute moronic the 2nd time around.
thats what happens when you try to emulate the spirit of the first one so much that you forget to make a game that it its own thing.
RDR2's story is fine but it's vastly too long. They made a terrible mistake focusing on Arthur and that gang exclusively. Instead, they should have split the game up into 3 or even 4 retellings of the same basic narrative but from the perspective of 3 or 4 different factions. The game has a real problem with making the anti-hero Dutch's Gang nearly the only "good guys" and everyone else shallow cartoon villains.
dutchs gang isn't portrayed as good guys
They're portrayed as the "outlaws with morals" trope that even Bonnie McFarlane in the first game talked shit about.
And one of the first lines in RDR2 after saving Sadie was Dutch saying "We aren't good people, but we ain't them" referring to the O'Driscolls.
It's a tired cliche and it's getting sickening at how many people find it so endearing.
"We rob people as need robbing, save people as need saving, and kill people as need killing"
Frick off. Do what you do but quit patting yourself on the back for it, game/movie.
The whole point of the game is that the trope is inevitably a lie. Did you even finish it or did that just fly right over your head?
it's the huge part of the mentality until they reach that inevitability. Again, it's a trope that they are "the bad guys with a heart" unitl they realize they were just bad guys all along, justifying themselves until they understand they were just making excuses.
see
and
it's always fitting until suddenly the boot doesn't fit, at least the game stops trying to cram the foot into the boot and admits the boot no longer fits their ideas.
they are literally not portrayed like that, arthur becomes like that when he realizes he is going to die, and the rest of the gang gives him shit for it until they kill him.
>"We rob people as need robbing, save people as need saving, and kill people as need killing"
>Frick off. Do what you do but quit patting yourself on the back for it, game/movie.
What's really great are the lengths they have to go to in order to justify killing so many people as the game progresses. Once you get to Saint Denis, it literally starts morphing into some perverse GTA nightmare land full of frothing racists, incest hillbillies, genocidal maniacs, and deranged cultists. All in order to fashion enough NPCs that can be summarily executed by the player whilst maintaining the gay "moral" framework that they setup for their narrative.
>saving Sadie was Dutch saying "We aren't good people, but we ain't them" referring to the O'Driscolls.
Here's a tip,don't believe Dutch.
Every grandiose statement about the gang comes from him,and the other people(including Arthur) are his parrots.
Hosea is the one self aware about the shit they do while Dutch justifies his atrocities with poetry
>Just one more job
>They're the real criminals
You weren't supposed to buy into Dutch's bullshit
Dutch's gang aren't good guys,they bought into Dutch's cult bullshit but some members of the game already realized they were never Robin Hoods as early as chapter 2
When do you think Arthur realised? With the Italian Mafioso going into the swamp or the old woman in the tunnel in cuba?
Arthur's tragedy is that he remained blind with loyalty until it was too late.Hosea and John already were calling Dutch out in the early game.Even after Guarma he was trying to follow Dutch
The Italian could be blamed on brain damage sustained by Dutch after the trolley wreck which some youtuber went into detail about, or he just got tired of a dago talking shit and lost his temper.
The Cuba woman is when I personally thought "oh there's the psychotic Dutch"
But Arthur was beginning to question Dutch at the pre story ferry job where he shot the girl in the head.
>But Arthur was beginning to question Dutch at the pre story ferry job where he shot the girl in the head.
So many people forget or ignore this. One of the first lines iin this new game is that Dutch killed some civilians on a heist.
One of Dutch's last lines in the old game is him telliing John that he kills for fun.
>One of Dutch's last lines in the old game is him telliing John that he kills for fun.
I'll say from fan perspective Dutch believed his shit at the beginning, but the deterioration of the gang and the advancement of "civilization" in the West, he started to realize "I am what they say I am, I am an outlaw and if they want the monster they say I am I will become what they want"
He truly believed what he preached but he just said frick it I do what I want basically.
>Dutch's gang aren't good guys
You're right, but you know what I mean. They're set up as anti-heroes on the side of the protagonist, at least initially. I think riding that donkey for 50-100 hours was a mistake and they should have explored other factions and main characters building around a central event.
Cast what?
There was almost no plot in that game.