>changes more during a timeskip than he does through six seasons of an entire show
How can you defend this? Of course you can fill in the gaps yourself, but the “gaps” are clearly what the show initially intended to be about. You can’t tell me it wouldn’t have been more compelling to see than whatever the frick Jimmy’s been doing since the show moved on from Chuck. Lack of thematic connection to Breaking Bad doesn’t actually depreciate the show as it surpassed BB with just the first season, but this has still been a disappointing segue.
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>but this has still been a disappointing segue.
it's "segway"
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that's a moo point
>moo
literally who?
We basically saw everything, he's already operating as Saul Goodman by season five. Pretty much everything of how he got to how he is in BB was explained minus minor things like him buying a new car and house. The only thing that could have been explored more is how he became so desensitized to murder, but you could see that happening through some years of working with criminals and murderers
>The only thing that could have been explored more is how he became so desensitized to murder
And you don’t think that’d be more substantial than anything that’s happened since Jimmy got his license back?
He isn't desensitized to murder though. He becomes a scared infant at the sight of violence, or when he is roughed up during the events of BrBa.
>changes more during a timeskip
Literally how? What changes do you think were left unexplained?
The only thing I can think of is the "Why don't you just kill Badger?" comment from S2 but even that is blown out of proportion, Saul is more confused by why he thinks these guys, who he assumes are big time drug dealers, won't just kill Badger. Even Walt briefly considers killing Badger in the episode, and Jesse gets butthurt at him.
Saul in BrBa is not totally desensitized to murder like says, he's obviously distressed at Walt killing Mike and is afraid to bring it up with him. And him suggesting they kill Jesse was framed by him as putting a dog out of its misery, even Skylar was saying at that point that they should kill Jesse.
>even Skylar was saying at that point that they should kill Jesse
As if that wasn’t out of place
skylar was a psychotic b***h how was it out of place
>but even that is blown out of proportion, Saul is more confused by why he thinks these guys, who he assumes are big time drug dealers, won't just kill Badger. Even Walt briefly considers killing Badger in the episode, and Jesse gets butthurt at him.
>Saul in BrBa is not totally desensitized to murder like says, he's obviously distressed at Walt killing Mike and is afraid to bring it up with him. And him suggesting they kill Jesse was framed by him as putting a dog out of its misery
That’s a lot of assumptions. He also suggests killing Hank. There’s a behavioral pattern there that’s completely absent in BCS. He also just has a different demeanor in BB. Can you really picture BCS S6 Jimmy audibly lusting for Francesca’s fat ass and making a sexist remark in every conversation?
>That’s a lot of assumptions.
Like what? Walt considering they kill Badger is not an assumption by the way.
>He also suggests killing Hank.
OK, and? It's another suggestion to Walt, the blood would be on his hands.
>Can you really picture BCS S6 Jimmy audibly lusting for Francesca’s fat ass and making a sexist remark in every conversation?
No, because he was in a relationship. Do you really need it spelled out to you that after Kim leaves (and presumably his third divorce) he'd rather just be a sleazy sexpest who fricks hookers? We already saw in S1 how he'd do stuff like that, like pretending to be Kevin Costner to that woman in Cicero
>OK, and? It's another suggestion to Walt, the blood would be on his hands.
It’s another suggestion that he’d never make in BCS
>Do you really need it spelled out to you that after Kim leaves (and presumably his third divorce) he'd rather just be a sleazy sexpest who fricks hookers?
I don’t need anything, but I would LIKE to see it. I’ve said that already.
It's a fair petition, but I like what we got. Another season would've been fantastic, for Better Call Saul shenanigans just after the fact Kim left, the depression, the sadness... but also, it seems a bit moot, we already seen a bit of it through Chuck, this season would've left Gene an episode at best for his resolution in the future. Kim leaving was the least scenario I wanted, but it was kind of bittersweet... how she already made up her mind at the start of the episode, or probably since she started to get stalked by Mike, she didn't want to, but it was inevitable, that's life.
>No, because he was in a relationship. Do you really need it spelled out to you that after Kim leaves (and presumably his third divorce) he'd rather just be a sleazy sexpest who fricks hookers? We already saw in S1 how he'd do stuff like that, like pretending to be Kevin Costner to that woman in Cicero
yea, I do want to watch that. I want to see him go on a bender like at the end of s1, bang a bunch of hookers, get confronted with what he's become and then say 'frick it, this is me now'. Watching that happen is the whole thing that the show is meant to be building towards. If they can spend 15 minutes an episode on tracking shots of gus walking into rooms then they can show saul actually changing rather than going 'AND THEN HE cHANGES YOU FILL IN THE BLANKS'
I just rewatched season 1 and I’d forgotten how much better it is than what the show’s doing now. Not only was it tighter and more thematically focused despite its slower pace, it was also way more affecting. Season 6 doesn’t have anything close to “I broke my boy” or “You’re not a real lawyer.”
>I want to see him go on a bender like at the end of s1, bang a bunch of hookers, get confronted with what he's become and then say 'frick it, this is me now'
Sounds lame, and like you said just another repeat of S1.
>Watching that happen is the whole thing that the show is meant to be building towards.
We've already seen everything we need to know about Saul Goodman's character. You just said you want a scene of Jimmy going back to Slippin' Jimmy mode (something we already saw in S1) and that you can already imagine how they do it. There's no need to rehash that relapse.
>than going 'AND THEN HE cHANGES YOU FILL IN THE BLANKS'
This is a classic case of "less is more", sorry you fail to see that.
>less is more
There is also “show, don’t tell.”
>sorry you fail to see that
Don’t get smarmy with me, this isn’t reddit
But they have shown it, you said it yourself that Jimmy's made this relapse before in S1 after Chuck rejected him, and it was only Kim that brought him back.
Now Kim is the one to reject him and there's no one to bring him back. Not hard to figure out.
Saul on some "The Hangover" tier bender would be a tasteless inclusion to the show.
>Sounds lame, and like you said just another repeat of S1.
Kind of like how Jimmy and Kim pulled another Chicanery in Plan and Execution. Maybe developing a pattern of recurring behavior like that isn’t such a bad thing and can help us understand them more. Even if we already know the information that’s being conveyed, seeing it for ourselves can give us a more visceral perspective on it.
Plan and Execution was intentionally meant to have a same-but-different aspect to it. It's the same in that they're publicly humiliating someone but the context is surrounding it is totally different; while they were forced into it to save Jimmy in Chicanery and felt bad for doing it, in P&E they're doing it for fun. Kim justifies what they did in Chicanery to Howard by saying they simply "showed the situation for what it was" while P&E is a totally unsubstantiated and made up smear campaign against Howard. The whole thing is meant to be Jimmy and Kim going too far and abandoning the slim morals they still had in Chicanery, because they think it would be funny to frick with Howard. In the end the consequences are grave and there's no defence for it.
I don't see what interesting spin you could put in Jimmy's relapse after Kim leaves and how it would be different from S1. Again, I think less is more here.
>seeing it for ourselves can give us a more visceral perspective on it.
I don't see what further insight you could gain from seeing Jimmy go on another bender/ relapse. You were able to sum up pretty well what you think should happen, so clearly you've already imagined it.
Not him but I’ll use a better example: Chicanery, the show’s most praised episode, tells us nothing we don’t already know about Jimmy and Chuck’s dynamic. Chuck’s outburst is essentially the same one he has in Pimento, this time just in front of a jury. Does this make it bad?
No, it’s relevant to the plot. Jimmy going on benders wouldn’t be.
It’s only relevant to the plot because the writers made the circumstances for it to be relevant to the plot. There were many paths they could’ve taken, but they chose to go over ground they’d already thematically covered. And that’s okay.
You’re really confusing me now, this shit’s barely english
>And that’s okay.
And why is that okay? You can’t just make a declaration like that and not elaborate. For the record, I like Chicanery, but your argument is nonsensicle.
I don’t need to elaborate as this anon
already did so and I was following up on what he said
Are you drunk?
They didn’t invent the circumstances, there’s no where else they could’ve taken this
I wasn’t aware this show was based on a true story
Lalo Salamanca LIVES.
lmao, this is so utterly disingenuous. The Chicanery speech does so much more than you say it does, it
>proves to Chuck his hypersensitivity to electricity is psychosomatic, in a public and humiliating way
>shows Jimmy absolutely tanking his relationship beyond repair to save himself
>shows Kim backing him in this endeavour, might be the first "legal" con they pull together as well
>sets up Chuck for the rest of the season; his attempt at recover and reputational damage to the firm through his outburst
It does as much as bridging the gap between S6 and BB would
>shows Jimmy absolutely tanking his dignity beyond repair as a cope
>sets up Jimmy for Breaking Bad; his willingness to be an accessory to murder and his detached and sordid attitude
>But all of that already happened to an extent!
Yeah, and his relationship was already tanked beyond repair in Chicanery and him and Kim had already pulled cons, just not legal ones.
>It does as much as bridging the gap between S6 and BB would
It absolutely does not, come on be real here. Imagine if we never saw the Chicanery episode or speech, and were just supposed to infer what happened based on how characters act afterwards. These two scenarios are totally different.
>his willingness to be an accessory to murder
We've literally already seen this in BCS where he's relieved when Mike tells him Lalo will be killed. Jimmy literally tells Kim how he feels he should feel bad for Lalo's (presumed) death but he doesn't. That's the first step on his journey towards being desensitised to death so long as it's something done away from him.
>his detached and sordid attitude
We've already seen him act like that as clients when being "Saul Goodman".
Lalo is a mass murdering psychopath, come on be real here. The fact that he has moral qualms with not having moral qualms shows how different he is.
>That's the first step on his journey towards being desensitised to death so long as it's something done away from him.
And it’s not a journey we saw.
>And it’s not a journey we saw.
i knew we were getting cucked when they showed the scene with the vet and his little black book. they spent way too much time fricking around with the cartel and ran out of time, now here we are.
I admit the Lalo scenario is different, but it shows his first moments of accepting murder when it helps with his own safety.
lolling at you just ignoring all my other points to focus on the most easily contested one
It’s all so tiresome
>he's relieved when Mike tells him Lalo will be killed
because lalo was a psycho killer who almost got jimmy killed when he went to get his bail money, then lalo went to sauls house and threatened him after the fact. there is a big difference between the relief in knowing someone like lalo will be killed and casually suggesting murdering a 20 something year old kid who got caught selling drugs, christ he even mentions away to do it, shank him in the chow line wasn't it?
so that would assume that not only was saul suggesting the murder but he probably would have facilitated it as well.
I think people exaggerate the relevance of that scene. It's just a suggestion to Walter and Jesse, and more of a question of "why aren't YOU doing this?" And the point is it's easier to suggest hiring someone to commit a murder than it is to actually do it. Have a look at the scene again, even Walter briefly considers the idea, and this was way before he let Jane die
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>Imagine if we never saw the Chicanery episode or speech, and were just supposed to infer what happened based on how characters act afterwards. These two scenarios are totally different.
Yeah, that’d be weird because it’s a major plot point. However, there’s a lot that can happen thematically without the plot being advanced. Should we skip Fly just because “nothing happens” and “we already know Walt feels guilty / is a control freak / is deluded”? It was an affecting episode. Jimmy’s moral decline could’ve also made for some affecting episodes, even if we can surmise what they would’ve looked like.
>Jimmy literally tells Kim how he feels he should feel bad for Lalo's (presumed) death but he doesn't. That's the first step on his journey towards being desensitised to death so long as it's something done away from him.
You really can’t see the difference between Lalo and Badger?
Did you seriously delete the original post over a typo? Good god.
>Jimmy’s moral decline could’ve also made for some affecting episodes
>episodes
>s
We already had way too much boring shit in the beginning of this season showing all the different and numerous little cons they play on Howard. Individually they're all fun, but together it starts to get old pretty quick. Same with all the Lalo investigation scenes, we know what he's doing, and the extreme lengths he's going to are both impressive and hilarious, but it's just played out way too much.
This episode was probably my favourite of the season BECAUSE of the timeskip and them finally saying "frick it, Saul has become Saul, let's move onto the new stuff" instead of dragging their feet and showing obvious stuff like they have been.
>Chuck’s outburst is essentially the same one he has in Pimento
Is that the "not a real lawyer" one? Because I think those are barely comparable
I want an actual character arc of how he deals with losing kim and embracing Saul Goodman. It's not the same as rehashing S1 because he's in a different place now. The sopranos repeatedly showed its main characters making the same mistakes and failing to grow and it's considered one of the best character dramas of all time, you're just making excuses for bcs because it got sloppy.
>Women want to frick Kevin Costner even after Robin Hood, Waterworld, etc.
Literally least believable part.
>He also just has a different demeanor in BB
This is honestly my main gripe with the show. He seems almost depressed. In BB he had energy, told witty jokes and was just generally way more charismatic. In BCS he just seems pathetic usually, and the jokes are forced. BCS is basically mid-life crisis Saul
Jimmy is more desensitized to violence than you think, and you can tell just by his disposition that he was supposed to be a different kind of person in BB seasons 1-4. They rectconned in season 5 when they knew he’d be getting his own show, but in 2011 Vince said that Saul was directly involved in Brock’s poisoning, not just in lifting the cigarette. Of course that’s ignorable as it’s never shown, but it is indicative of them generally writing him with lower moral standards for the majority of BB.
Okay, you obviously think you’re an intellectual. What shows do you consider to be better than BCS?
Twin Peaks and Mad Men. And no, I don’t consider myself an intellectual.
>Mad Men
yikes
Those are both soap operas anon. Of course these are the people that have been criticizing the timeskip, should’ve been obvious kek.
>Of course these are the people
I think you mean these are the women kek. Anon picked two shows that are loaded with sex scenes, chain smoking and melodrama.
What’s so feminine about chain smoking?
Who's the chainsmoker in Twin Peaks? And how many sex scenes does it have?
>Who's the chainsmoker in Twin Peaks?
Laura, Audrey, Shelly, Leo, Donna Hayward (Season 2), Sarah Palmer, Dick Tremayne, Diane...
>And how many sex scenes does it have?
You have to be kidding.
>Laura, Audrey
I think chainsmoking would mean they'd be smoking in every scene. But perhaps we had different standards. (Also, I was only thinking about the original show.)
>You have to be kidding.
Is coffee-drinking a lynchian way of signaling sex??
Only sex scenes I can recall were in FWWM, The Return finale, and that one with Naomi Watts.
>Those are both soap operas
If you wanna call them that, I’m okay with it. That says nothing about their quality though.
This is somewhat true, the Saul seen for the first time in S2 is definitely different to the rest of the show because they never even planned for him to become a recurring character. So I don't mind the narrative that Saul is putting on a bit of a show in BrBa, flippantly suggesting they kill people without thinking about it.
It's always easier to suggest a person be killed than it is to actually do it; that's pretty much the central premise of Walt dealing with Krazy-8. Even Jesse, who was always meant to be pretty innocent, keeps asking Walt when he's going to do it.
They’re far more morally justified in that situation than they are with Badger’s arrest
>they never even planned for him to become a recurring character.
>Jesse too
Was everyone supposed to die and the show just ended after season 3, what? Pretty clear why it's such a bad show.
>The only thing I can think of is the "Why don't you just kill Badger?" comment from S2 but even that is blown out of proportion, Saul is more confused by why he thinks these guys, who he assumes are big time drug dealers, won't just kill Badger.
BCS fans having to rewrite characters intentions in BB in order to justify BCS will stop being funny to me
it's literally the best done timeskip I've witnessed to date. The whole point was seeing how this funny catchy lawyer became Saul. You think it's a fun ride when in actuality it's the most depressing soul-sucking trip you've ever seen.
To see how far he falls when the relationship with Kim ends it puts BB into a whole new light for him which they kept saying but I didn't believe until this episode.
His last bastion of "goodness" was really while he was still with Kim and the point is they really WEREN'T good for one another it was never one sided.
He went from a monogamous relationship to a different hooker every night etc.
This too he was a lot more crass come BB era than he was as Jimmy
How they go from here and end up in the Gene time and what happens there POST BB is what has me really intrigued.
>His last bastion of "goodness" was really while he was still with Kim
This. One of the main reasons he wouldn't want to do something as dirty as to suggest a murder before was because he was afraid it would come back to hurt Kim somehow. Now he's got nothing to lose, so as long as he doesn't get found out by the cops, he doesn't care.
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>The only thing that could have been explored more is how he became so desensitized to murder, but you could see that happening through some years of working with criminals and murderers
Then maybe it should’ve been explored. Not really a minor change is it?
Nitpicking
>The only thing that could have been explored more is how he became so desensitized to murder,
That was the whole point of him asking.Mike for advice on how to deal with his PTSD and mike tells him the same thing Saul repeated to Kim at the beginning of this episode something among the likes of
>“One day we’ll wake up, brush our teeth and at the end of the day realize we haven’t thought about it all day. That’s when we’ll learn you can forget “
>new car and house
sandpiper money
The Big house and expensive caddy came from the sandpiper money dummy. Saul made about $70M
You got filtered
What else did you want, a montage of him picking up his custom plate?
yes
This recurring straw man is proof that this show’s fans are double digit IQ
It's because you won't actually engage in a serious debate over the episode, so there's no point trying
I spelt out here why I'm not upset with the timeskip
and no filtered morons have bothered replying, unsurprisingly.
This. I had an argument posed earlier today and two morons kept mentioning montages when I said nothing of the sorts.
I'm a BCS fan but even I know when the writing has gone to shit. The coping on this board is reaching unheard of levels.
and the filtered whiners of /bcs/ like you are single digit IQ. Us 99 IQ people have to repeat our recurring straw man because you 1 IQ idiots keep spamming the same "Grug not likey when have to think for Grugself" complaints. Shut up and listen to your superiors, or frick off to capeshit land
so a montage of him and kims day to day and a couple of solid guys cleaning his carpet and refrigerator is kino but not one that shows idk, sandpiper getting settled, him moving offices? seriously he goes from a very nice office and a modest apartment with kim to a shithole meme office and a mansion.
There's 4 episodes left and you guys care more about seeing mundane shit over the Gene arc? With the timeskip there is at least promise for the season to end well.
based on how this season has gone, how BB ended and how El Camino was Gene is gonna do some comic book shit in the last few episodes.
This one's fair. They should've at least made a mention of Sandpiper being Saul's springboard into big money
Why? It's already obvious.
Obvious within the narrative, but not within the presentation. The coming settlement of sandpiper is way overshadowed by howard's death, then lalo's death, then kim leaving. Just a single short sentence to mention lawyer business will help the moronic in the audience (like me) reorient.
Yeah they don't need to spell it out
>uh they don't need to spell it out brainlets yikes geez oof
>they MUST do more 15 minute gay flirting scenes with gus and 5 minutes of mike staring at his gun box now THAT's What I Call KINO
The only thing that disappoints me is that I was waiting for an origin story behind the inflatable Statue of Liberty being from the Kettleman's trailer/business.
>You give me that inflatable statue, AND let me suck your wife's breasts, and I'll make sure the American justice system will let you get away with anything. ANYTHING. What do you say?
Did they really not show how he got that inflatable statue?
Man I was kind of looking forward to that, feels like they’re really rushing this finale.
I don’t care about the inflatable statue but I was looking forward to that just as another opportunity to see the Kettlemans.
>ding ding ding!
>he says the falafal man killed lalo
They made a kino montage of Kim sticking fricking post-it notes on a window. Don't pretend like a Saul montage would be any more boring conceptually you dishonest shit.
Another speedwatcher getting filtered, huh?
Go back watching capeshit, moron.
watching the cope and defending this shit tier writing is hilarious
i get the diddly feelerino you're playing up your amusement to cover a base of seethe at your own disappointments with the show, which i guess is your cross to bear
It's so sad that Kim died of Ligma
what’s leprosy
lepro-seek help, sweaty
lepro-see deez nuts entering your mouth homosexual
Eladio mocking Hector is literally the least shit part of this entire season
Yeah, that was incredibly moronic. Eladio "trusting" Gus more than what Hector has to say, the guy who helped found your cartel, is beyond fricking stupid.
That Eladio is quite a nice and understanding fella, seeing as he didn't take any revenge for the betrayal of Nacho against his crime organisation.
to him, it must have sounded like hector just couldnt deal with lalos death and blame gus for something he didnt do
hector never had any respect for eladio and the salamanca family don't hold a fraction of the power the did in the past, it is a business after all and the chicken man has a massive distribution network that runs like clockwork.
Eladio wants to keep the peace so the money keeps rolling in. He knows Gus despises him.
Eladio has to choose between a literal crippled old fart and non-cripple that can keep the money flowing
If Eladio liked Hector then he wouldn't have left him in some godforsaken shack being looked after by Tuco
Eladio knows about their little grudge, but doesn't see it past Héctor being a jealous schizo. Gus has been extremely effective at covering his tracks, so there's nothing to frame him with.
From the morons who made El crap kino I knew s6 would shit the bed but not this bad
timeskips are every hack writer's favorite tool to explain character changes
like all tools or tropes in writing i think timeskips can be done well. i like the idea of uncovering how characters became what they currently are through flashbacks/allusions to what happened during the timeskip, kind of like developing their character retroactively. it's just that most of the time writers don't bother to do that and just use them as an excuse to write a character completely differently for no reason
And what do you make of BCS’s timeskip?
i think there was enough buildup that it's not as bad as some people are making it out to be character-wise, but after the pace of the rest of the series it did feel a bit jarring to me. at the same time i'm glad we're getting closer to gene stuff and wrapping things up so i'm not upset about it
>but after the pace of the rest of the series it did feel a bit jarring to me
I get the feeling they had this season planned out for ten episodes, then AMC extended it to 13 and so they put a lot of filler in the first half of the season, because episodes 4-6 especially are a fricking drag where nothing happens.
If that's the case then actually glad they got that shit out of the way early, so we can have a properly paced second half
I actually think the timeskip in this episode was done great.
I remember earlier in this season rolling my eyes at a lot of the "this is how he became Saul!!1! Look, he's in the office from Breaking Bad, and look, he's going to buy this book off the vet to get all the contacts he had in Breaking Bad! Look, Kim suggests he buys the oversized car, like the one he drove in Breaking Bad!"
I don't care about that superficial shit, I care about his character, and we've already seen him right on the cusp of being the Saul Goodman we see in Breaking Bad. The one last piece of the puzzle was what happened with Kim, and having a timeskip right after they break up really emphasises the effect that has on Saul and how much it changed him. If they'd done some dumb montage that showed him buying the car and the house my eyes would've rolled into the back of my skull, and it would have detracted from the effect of the timeskip.
It also sets up the rest of the show nicely, because of course this is not the end of the story; we're going to see what Saul was doing in the BrBa timeline from a BCS perspective, and probably get to see what happened to Kim exactly and what terms they're on now. People are ending like this timeskip was the finale of the show or something.
But we did a blood to pasta sauce wipe what’s the problem?
Did we also do a dressing up scene in his fancy closet?
I think it's open and shut, the character is fully developed
DING DING DING..BASED..DING SING DING.
ah.. the sauce wipe of Saul was go good.
Fricking kinooooooo.
But we know he fully became Saul now. Kim left him, so he lost his moral anchor and went all-in on the mask of sleaze to cope with his shit life. We didn't need to see him buy some shirts and ties, or slowly go bald
>But we know he fully became Saul now. Kim left him, so he lost his moral anchor and went all-in on the mask of sleaze to cope with his shit life. We didn't need to see him buy some shirts and ties, or slowly go bald
Of course we know that. And anyone who’s familiar with stories of its ilk will know that Walt’s world will fall apart before Breaking Bad ends. But we want to watch it because the film medium can amount to more than a summary on Wikipedia. It’s not about watching him buy shirts and ties.
You really didn't understand their relationship one bit, did you?
>moral anchor
Kek
>kim was sauls moral anchor, of course he would become a monster the second he left
KEK. That b***h was way more evil than him, if anything you would expect him to mellow. His transformation from Jimmy to Saul is never shown/explained. Its moronic
>Kim
>moral anchor
JAJAJAJAJAJA
t. Speedwatcher
>more le speedwatching straw man
This show was great when it actually was slow in season 1. This season’s been shit.
Season One is so comfy because it focuses on Jimmy, sets him up to become Saul, and is self-contained. No cartel shit. No Gus Fring stealing screentime. Just Jimmy on his own. Bravo Vince.
He's just trying to fill a Kim sized hole. They really don't need to show more. She was his world.
Hello, Zack Snyder.
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>people cannot change from one day to the next
You have not lived enough.
>show every little thing
>"nothing happens, why are they wasting time on this, BRAVO"
>don't show every little thing
>"hack writers, rushed, BRAVO"
there's no winning with you people
The problem is that they skipped a big thing, not a little thing. However, I actually liked the show most when everyone here was calling it Nothing Happens: The Show.
I'm not sure what people wanted to see exactly that the timeskip glossed over.
>side character walks from his car into a basement
6 minutes of screen time
>main character changes entire personality over a period of months/years, accumulates enough wealth to buy a gaudy mansion
6 minutes of screen time
can you not see the difference?
Don’t bother. They are too attached to notice things like that at the moment. A year from now, everyone will be tearing this show a new butthole for being the most inconsequential and filler-filled show there has ever been.
ok you cucks, fill me in. as of the latest episode, we’ve seen Jimmy lose Marco, Chuck, Kimmy, and (to some degree) Howard. all these “losses” could be either was there for or can be attributed to his actions. we clearly see that each one of these losses change Jimmy’s behavior. what part of a scene featuring Kim leaving Jimmy and then an abrupt cut to “Saul” seems moronic?
*all these losses he either was there for or can be attributed to his actions
I’ll take your bad bait.
He was more like Saul in season 1 before he lost any of those characters. His development post Season 1 increasingly made him less like the Saul from Breaking Bad. Him causing their deaths and his wife to leave him should negatively impact his life. Instead through the time skip, we suddenly get the charming, competent and confident lawyer that Saul is in Breaking Bad. We have not seen that at all throughout BCS.
>I’ll take your bad bait.
>Him causing their deaths and his wife to leave him should negatively impact his life. Instead through the time skip, we suddenly get the charming, competent and confident lawyer that Saul is in Breaking Bad.
Then you haven't being paying enough attention. The Saul persona is Jimmy's way of pushing away trauma. When did he legally change his name to Saul? Very soon after Chuck died, when he really should have been grieving. And we just saw Jimmy have probably the most traumatic few days if his life, with all that happened. So him going
"full Saul" is totally in fitting with what we've seen before from his behaviour.
>The Saul persona is Jimmy's way of pushing away trauma.
lol what the frick are you talking about? the saul persona was made up when he was conning people in chicago. it literally has nothing to do with trauma.
>the saul persona was made up when he was conning people in chicago.
Correct, but he had let down his family multiple times already by then, and his dad had even died before that (I believe). He was already a con artist, but the actual Saul persona didn't arise until he was already somewhat broken. That's what Saul is, a broken man's way of masking and avoiding pain.
>He was already a con artist, but the actual Saul persona didn't arise until he was already somewhat broken. That's what Saul is, a broken man's way of masking and avoiding pain.
lmao stop trying to pass off your headcanon as the real deal. he wasn’t emotionally broken at all when he was going as saul with marco.
he was using the name but not the persona.
imagine the mental gymnastics of believing this
Using a fake name for a scam isn't the same as becoming a whole other person. Saul Goodman from the bar in S1 is just Slipping Jimmy when he needs to turn on the charm and not give his real name. Saul Goodman from BB is a sleazy wisecracking lawyer. It's a story about how a throwaway joke can turn into a persona that can turn into your entire personality if things go a certain way, like a mask that eats the face kind of thing. Imagine being so dense as to not pick up on this.
He is embracing the caricature others already perceive him to be instead of constantly repenting for who he is and feeling guilty. Chuck literally spelt this out for the audience three seasons ago
Storytelling 101 - what happens next? What does he do the next day after waking up without Kim? Does he go full Saul the next day and never look back? Does he try and change knowing that being a sleazebag cost him everything, and something causes him to fail? Is he full of self hate and conflict over it that slowly eases away, or does he say 'frick it, might as well enjoy the ride' and start banging prostitutes instantly?
Even a short montage scene of his first few days/cases after the breakup would have helped establish that, then they could open the next episode with the scene from this one showing how far he'd fallen. They left him at his lowest moment and it would have been good to see how he picks himself up. Unless you're an autist who just sees the plot as 'THIS happens so then THIS happens' you want to see the characters in their downtime after major events regrouping.
>show every insignificant detail
or
>don't show anything
Ur right, they couldn't possibly have found something in between those two extremes.
>show every little thing EXCEPT for Jimmy’s actual transformation
And no, he didn’t magically “become Saul” the second Kim left, the Jimmy we see in BCS is still completely different from Saul in BrBa
Breaking Bad did timeskips right, they made timeskips at parts of the story where nothing interesting happens.
Better Call Saul uses a timeskip to skip an important part of Jimmys transition into Saul.
If you compare the two BcS timeskip becomes even more jarring.
It's lazy writing, because Vincento knows his reddit fanboys will eat shit and praise it, like the morons they are.
Fricking speewatchers itt, idk why I even still engage them
People who are more interested in the fandom than they are in the show itself love to use fallacies. Idk why I even still engage them.
>reference to song Jesse wrote… just because!
Frick off
Huh?
He thinks “fallacy” is a word Jesse Pinkman made up
kek minor characters had better and more complete character arcs than jimmy/saul.
>goes full Saul at the end of season 4
>They completely forget that and even go on to make Kim lower than him on the morality scale
>Only becomes full Saul when Kim soft breaks up with him
I love the show but the transformation into Saul would have been better if it had started in season 5 and kept going rather than him fizzling out and relapsing back into a McGill
>it's an OP b***hes on the internet episode
I forgot you’re not supposed to criticize tv shows. Let people like things and all.
Both sides here have made valid points and I think it’s time for you homosexuals to just accept that you disagree. This isn’t a debate, you just feel differently about it.
OP has not made any good points kek. He’s probably not a speedwatcher but he’s undoubtedly a pseud.
The guy saying we should've seen Jimmy on a bender or some shit can only make ridiculous arguments, like here
pretending that not seeing Chicanery would be akin to not seeing Jimmy on a bender.
It’d make less sense if it was skipped because of its narrative relevance. That doesn’t inherently make it more important thematically.
Timeskip was a good a choice considering the remaining runtime but it's frustrating to get blueballed on Saul shenanigans when half of seasons 4-6 have indulged in cartel bullshit
I was mad at first too, but when I thought about it I lightened up a bit. I think there's plenty to infer and learn from context. Like before the timeskip he's begging Kim not to go, and immediately after he's coldly trying to get of the hooker as fast as he can. So it's easy to infer that Kim was the last good thing in his life. Also through the seasons we've seen that Saul is his coping mechanism for Traumatic events. He literally changed his name fully to Saul shortly after Chuck's death, for example. And we've just seen Saul/ Jimmy go through the most traumatic few days of his life. Lalo coming back, killing Howard, tying him up, not knowing what would happen to Kim when she left, having to fake it at Howard's wake, then finally Kim leaving him. So yeah, he snapped. He has nothing left. What has being Jimmy ever gotten him? Pain. So Saul it is. I'm not totally defending it though. It's a missed opportunity to not show him make that choice after 6 seasons. But it's not awful either. I understand why Saul is Saul, so it did communicate it's reasoning just fine. But sure, it could have been better.
>he needs his hand to be hold through all tv and/or movies he watches
learn to put two and two together, you fricking homosexual OP.
>put two and two together
thats what the gene story line has been, you knowing enough about sauls situation at the end of brba to put together what happened. bcs spent 4+ seasons focused on the cartel and mike and this is the result.
>and now he's saul
the end.
I take everything phoneposters say and then throw it in the garbage
Genetic fallacy, though perhaps understandable
Holy shit you’re such a fricking pseud. Frick off already dude.
>However, there’s a lot that can happen thematically without the plot being advanced. Should we skip Fly (best episode btw) just because “nothing happens” and “we already know Walt feels guilty / is a control freak / is deluded.”
So is your argument just "We should have got a Fly type episode of Jimmy moping around after Kim leaves?"
If so, your argument is basically "I didn't get exactly what I wanted to see out of this show". Sure they could have spent more time on the breakup and afterwards, but they didn't. Doing a timeskip is actually a great way of showing the effect on Saul by not showing it. It's just a different narrative device that you aren't appreciating because you wanted something else.
Also you're a dumb contrarian Black person for saying The Fly is the best episode ever, yeah I like the episode too but you're clearly exaggerating because of all the hate it gets.
>I didn't get exactly what I wanted to see out of this show
Pretty sure what they skipped was what the majority of people thought the show would be about, it’s not that specific of a desire even if you’ve deluded yourself into thinking it is
>Pretty sure what they skipped was what the majority of people thought the show would be about
But the only substantial thing people feel like has been left out is how Saul is OK with killing Badger, which I contend has been overblown in its importance.
Otherwise everything else has been explained, unless you want to nitpick about "how did he buy the car".
>which I contend has been overblown in its importance
Which you have poorly contended. There are very few people that are comfortable with murder, it’s a significant difference in his characterization.
>unless you want to nitpick about "how did he buy the car"
Nobody here is doing that
>Nobody here is doing that
Not openly, but it’s obvious that deep down you care about it
i'm pretty sure most people just think it's fricked that the introduction of saul in brba, his second scene in the show he wants to conspire to have someone murdered.
>you don't gun for the mosquitos lawyer.
>so a prison shanking is off the table, and we're sure of that?
like what
>Which you have poorly contended. There are very few people that are comfortable with murder, it’s a significant difference in his characterization.
I keep pointing out that even Walt was also considering killing Badger in that scene but nobody acknowledges that.
It's just a throwaway line, more about Saul asking why doesn't he kill Badger than why don't we kill Badger. And he's being held at gunpoint to ask a solution for their problem, his next line is somebody has to go to prison here.
The ultimate solution of paying a huge amount of money to some guy to go to jail is probably something Saul didn't expect them to go for.
>even Walt was also considering killing Badger
because walt knows the dea want to cut a deal with badger to identify Heisenberg.
Because Walt was a much worse person than Saul ever was. Do Saul’s morals suddenly just degrade to Walt’s level the moment he comes in contact with him? Or is that just what would happen to you?
So watch something else
Can’t turn back now
Fly is actually the episode Breaking Bad would be most incomplete without. It’s not my favorite episode but I’ve no objection to someone saying its theirs.
I don't see how The Fly is that important, iirc you do get Walt talking openly about his self-loathing and inability to reconcile his dangerous drug dealing with his family life, but we're shown that through other ways, like when he punches that bathroom dispenser after learning his cancer has gone into remission.
It’s important because it’s a much needed reflection episode in a show that otherwise is always advancing the plot. Similar prestige dramas like the Sopranos and Mad Men had many similar episodes and they were better for it.
>but we're shown that through other ways
Other ways that that didn’t have as strong of an impact. A show is more than what it can be summarized as.
>Similar prestige dramas like the Sopranos and Mad Men had many similar episodes and they were better for it.
They were not made better for it, they were just made in the era where 13 episode seasons were the norm instead of 8. Cut five episodes from each season of both shows and they would’ve been much better.
You’re moronic
You are forgetting about Walt's guilt over Jane's death, he almost confessed to Jesse at the end of the episode, on a point where Walt wasn't a complete monster yet. Then as a contrast, he doesn't feel shit about it in season 5.
Yada yada yada yada yada SHUT THE FRICK UP
Walter needed his life to be ending for him to let loose his darker side
Jimmy was kept in by societal bounds (Chuck, Howard, Kim) and now that they left him, he let his side loose
>Walter needed his life to be ending for him to let loose his darker side
Yes, hence the entirety of Breaking Bad being about him letting loose his darker side
>Jimmy was kept in by societal bounds (Chuck, Howard, Kim) and now that they left him, he let his side loose
Yes, hence there being a timeskip that lets us assume that’s what happened.
What are you trying to say?
>lets us assume that’s what happened.
when? like when he thought he was responsible for chucks death so he sad sacked around until howard said he thought it was his fault and he was all smiles afterwards? i like bcs a lot but they fricked up his story and characterization, he was more saul goodman in the first season than he was in this season.
>like when he thought he was responsible for chucks death so he sad sacked around until howard said he thought it was his fault and he was all smiles afterwards?
I’m one of the people shitting on the timeskip but I think you missed the point of that one. He was alleviating his grief by shifting the guilt onto Howard. I’ve experienced people using similar coping mechanisms in real life. He was pretty much lying to himself, which could’ve made for a decent step towards his amorality.
Did anyone actually like the new episode? KIM JUST LE LEAVES
This and episode 7 are literally the only episodes I've liked from this season, and I'm sick of all the plebs shitting on it
>Mike watches baseball 10 minutes
>Gus flirts gayly for 15 minutes
wtf why dude
>Mike watches baseball 10 minutes
Be real, that's like a one minute scene
>Gus flirts gayly for 15 minutes
I admit this part could have been 1/4 as long and it shit me when I was watching it. But I like when Gus' demeanour changes at the end and he leaves.
I thought the scene where Kim has to convince Cheryl that her husband was a drug addict was great, the breakup is pretty good too.
Timeskip was shit but I honestly liked the breakup scene. It was what I expected but it was also all I felt it needed to be.
This show was a giant frick you by Vince to the audience because he thought he was above giving us comfykino about a greasy lawyer and is a pretentious frick who is desperately trying to create the Great American Crime Story.
This is a waste of talent and potential on the scale of the Star Wars sequels and only contrarians and idiots who think they're smart will disagree.
i kind of get that vibe from a lot of people, they think it's high brow and your a pleb who just 'doesn't get it'. comfykino about a greasy lawyer would have been great and pretty original as far as lawyer shows/movies go. instead we got a generic show about the cartel.
it was inevitable
a. it’s a prequel and had to link up to BB (which was all cartel shit)
and
b. normalgays unironically hated the first few seasons and Vince probably noticed and up the ante of action/cartel scenes post S3. Still, the first 3-4 seasons were kino, I miss it brehs
normalgays unironically hated the first few seasons and Vince probably noticed and up the ante of action/cartel scenes post S3. Still, the first 3-4 seasons were kino, I miss it brehs
Why do you homosexuals act like you're/were watching a super secret "anti-normie" show? BCS had MORE views in season 1 then it does now. Significantly more. BCS has actually dropped in viewership every single season, those seasons the "normalgays" supposedly didn't like/watch had more viewers than now. Frick off you queers, how are you gayboys not exhausted from basing your entire existence on being a contrarian
>dude trust me
>source my ass
head cannon is quite powerful
>the israelite numbers from the israelite website had more numbers in season 1
why do newbies think ratings are real? I bet these tards also argue about imdb numbers too, like that fricking means anything
What are you morons even talking about? The cartel was in BCS since the 1st season, IIRC they were in literally every single ep of season 1. try hard pseudo like you are top tier cringe.
>comfykino about a greasy lawyer
That’s what season 1 was and it’s the most disliked season for a reason
Season 1 is my favorite season. It does have some issues finding itself in the beginning but the last five episodes are the most impactful they’ve ever strung together.
What more is there left to show? Kim was the last thing holding him back.
They showed that the final breaking point was Kim leaving him.
All we ever needed to see was WHY he broke bad.
He broke bad because he killed his brother, an innocent good man, and had his 10/10 QTPi gf leave him while basically telling him its his fault for being to fun to be around.
>with chuck, howard and kim gone... I guess I Better Call Saul
Not far from what happened
Keep telling yourself that
Rewatching BB, every scene with Saul was memorable. Why did they have to ruin all his mystique with some shitty Slippin' Jimmy backstory? Less is more Vince, you sellout.
Remember when the jury thwarted him from "returning to the bar" or whatever they call it. They did the same thing and just skipped a year. The writers are too much in love with being master of the universe instead of sticking to some basic guidelines.
i'm glad they didn't skip over the Hummel figurine subplot
You can easily infer what happens after Kim walks out. It's the last significant thing to happen in Jimmy's life before he transitions into full-time Saul. Sorry you didn't get it.
and from that moment out hes just cool with asking or suggestion murder and slappin hoes and b***hes on asses
>hes just cool with asking or suggestion murder
he's not, I'm getting sick of this meme
>slappin hoes and b***hes on asses
because he lost kim. we'd already seen jimmy being sort of a womanizer when he was living with marco in season 1, before he started dating kim. it's easy to imagine that after losing what he thought was his soulmate he'd probably give up on finding another relationship and just frick hookers for the rest of his life
Why do you keep saying this? He was literally more like the Saul in Breaking Bad when he was messing around with his friend in Chicago (which took place prior to the events of season 1). The events of the show have made him less like that character.
Exactly. Jimmy always had the elements of Saul inside of him, except that he also had people that he genuinely cared about (namely Chuck and Kim), which kept him from going full sleazebag mode. When Kim left, he had nothing left other than his Saul persona, which he leant into even harder as a coping mechanism, just like we saw after Chuck died. The Saul in Breaking Bad is an emotionally hollow man using his persona as a means to avoid confronting his guilt and grief.
>REEEEE THE SHOW IS TOO SLOW
>REEEEE THE SHOW IS TOO FAST
cope
BCS is dogshit
ywnbaw
>ywnbaw
Thank God
Turns out, Bravo Vince is actually a hack.
Why did they completely ignore the current timeline for so long? I imagined episode 9 would at least remind us again of the current timeline and then the final episode would be in the present entirely.
Show went to shit when it started focusing too much on Mike, Gus, Hector and the Cartel shit.
I expected to see post-breakup Jimmy actually going back to work in his Saul persona and showing some emotional cracks while representing some clients in court, as he gradually hardens his persona and fully commits to Saul since he has nothing else left in his life. Just one episode dedicated to that would have been kino. Not sure why that is too much to ask for.
because that would be superfluous
>mfw Walt and Jesse are coming back
I'm not sure I will handle the cringe. bet Cranston looks 80 already
im hoping itll be something like "your next clients here, im sending him in"
>CANCEL IT, I GOTTA GO
>walks past jessie without even looking up
>and get my car washed generic assistant!
>5 second voice over cameo by walt as she goes through
lmao imagine the salt of hyping it up and then it being a frickin nothin burger?
After season 6 shitting the bed this hard, I wouldn't be surprised if it was a pathetic cameo like this. Would be the cherry on the shitcake.
pathetic
Will Cranston shave his head this time, or will we see the return of big head cheat Walt?
He's got long homeless guy hair and a huge homeless beard right now. So his whole face will need to be CGI
>Bravo Vince filters fricking moronic phoneposters
Based
>he doesnt copy image urls directly from sites and post them into the bar in the image prompt here at Cinemaphile so he technically ( even if he is ) isnt downloading the image
ngmi
capeshit ruined your brain. there is no art in what you want.
>as it surpassed BB with just the first season
Jesus Christ, Better Call Saul fans really are braindead
OP here. I only said that because you can't have a discussion about BCS without people arguing it's better than Br Ba as a cope. I figured if I said it in the OP then we could actually just discuss the show and skip all the hurr durr filtered posting.
OP here, it was actually genuine
It's basically the same old Jimmy but without the need to mask or control his sociopath tendencies for Kim. He's the same smug butthole who no longer has anyone in his life to impress (Chuck and Kim). Still, his character just doesn't make sense to me. Sociopaths don't just suddenly become good for x years trying to play by the rules because of brotherly love. Saul is either a schizo or just a shitty creation of writers.
its a cop out, but he starts the sociopathic "good guy" game because hes trying to exploit being a lawyer and his brother is a huge in to that world. its a shitty handwave but a plausible one. its not like he was ever ACTUALLY playing by the rules, either.
Did they ever elucidate that him becoming a lawyer was his own scam? They spent all this effort showing how it was actually a really bad job and he had to do a lot of labor, it almost resembles honest work. Was it made clear this was all some trick?
no, which is why it would be a shitty handwave. but even with all the real work jimmy did, and that he does seem to be an actual good lawyer, he was trying to cheat his way into an actual, massive and well respected firm while doing all the petty shady shit he was doing all the way.
All it would have taken us some scene where he says he’s trying to do it for money or respect or what have you, maybe I’m buying his bullshit too much but he seemed authentic and they didn’t let on any indication he was doing it as a trick
well, he sorta was doing it for the money and prestige already. it would be pretty dark if they did because it would imply all the chuck stuff really was just a scam. it would be almost a good twist, that he was saul literally all along and it wasnt about him "turning" into the persona, but that being jimmy was the actual scam. imagine that, last scene, last episode, jimmy looks at potraits of howie and chuck and then at a pile of cash and laughs.
I'm tired of speedwatchers ADHD braindead buttholes like op
>mfw Lalo scenes
It was more important to see the glass plaque for Werner Zeigler being created for 10 minutes
>changes more during a timeskip than he does through six seasons of an entire show
He wasn't acting any differently as the time-skip Saul at the end of this episode than he had been acting as Saul in the earlier episodes. The problem is he was on the phone the entire time, so we didn't get to see/hear/whatever what he looked like when he wasn't "on". We'll need to see a little more to get a better idea how much is Jimmy and how much is Saul. Even in Breaking Bad there were a few moments where he dropped the "Saul" character and spoke more candidly/soberly.
The question is whether the house/car/hooker is him playing into the Saul character, or if it's some doomed attempt to find materialistic happiness without Kim.
the problem is that the change in saul from season 1 to season 6 is minimal, while the change from season 6 to timeskip/BB is massive
in season 6 he is still a wimp who wouldnt dare commit crimes without being forced to, while in BB he is the one who happily suggests criminal activities
if you weren't an idiot, you would realize that, after everything else, Kim leaving Jimmy was more than enough to turn him into the bitter, cynical, fully realized Saul Goodman. I expect we'll gain more insight to what happened between then, but we don't really need to. We already know enough without needing that filler. You see, with Kim, Jimmy's better nature, which had been diminishing from early in the show, finally left too. Broken hearts will do that. Even to the best of men.
>in a better world Jimmy would jave joined HHM and be good partners with Howard and Chuck, and they wouldnt have any anymosity
This episode truly caught me by surprise, and not even the last part.
kim saying how much fun she was having was walt screaming "were a family!" levels.
frick bros this is kino
I wanted the Mike Saul relationship to be linked a bit more. He goes from saving him in the desert to in BB letting Walt kill him (he could have fetched the bag instead).
OP is underage and can't relate to having his heart broken
never been in a relationship
didn't give a shit about the breakup
I have. I’ve never become a willing accessory to murder because of a breakup though. I think you have some antisocial tendencies.
The coping here is next level
Yeah, the coping from the speedwatchers
NOOOOO I MUST SEE JIMMY SIGNING THE CONTRACT FOR THE NEW HOUSE!!!
Wait, so you’re telling me the finale of this series wasn’t just the episode of breaking bad where he first shows up, but told from his POV? Wtf
uh, we havent seen the finale yet.
there's 4 episodes left
Can someone expain to me why if they're going to do a time skip, this couldn't have happened after Chuck's death? No seriously, you can just use timeskips whenever you want, but this is a prequel show, the point is that they wanted to explore something that required time
Because Chuck dying wasn't supposed to be the last straw that pushed him into the way he is in BB, Kim leaving him is. There was also still plenty to be set up tha would have been skipped if it went right to BB after Chuck died, there'd be nothing about how Saul ended up involved with the Cartel, what happened to Kim, or when he started practicing under the name Saul or what happened that lead to him becoming a lawyer again seeing as he wasn't practicing at the time. All the pieces are in place for him to become the way he is in Breaking Bad by the time Kim leaves him and the timeskip is just a way to drive home that that was the last point that drove him to be as he is in Breaking Bad. Chuck dying was a big deal, but it wasn't the same situation.
You are filtered.
They told you the story, without Kim the last piece of Jimmy's soul leaves him and he pours himself into his work and his Saul persona. That they've forgone showing you every material piece of the office that you already know he has is a fair trade for a deliberately jarring hard cut to the proverbial mausoleum he now resides in to maximize the impact of the apotheosis. They just spent the last 6 seasons dictating the trajectory that should bring him to this point, it's more than enough
I thought the fact that the timeskip forward showed how Saul is fully Saul all the time was kind of cool. All this time I think most people thought that he was only Saul when it mattered, like it's an act. But it's not. He's so broken that he just killed the Jimmy side of him completely, or at the very least stuffed it so far away that it can't be easily accessed.
I think the writers respect the audience intelligence, that's why they did the timeskip right after all of Jimmy's motivations to turn into Saul were completed, Kim confessing she knew about Lalo breaking the vow they made to always be transparent and tell each other everything (which Jimmy did do even if it took a while for him to confess about the desert shootout) that was Jimmy's breaking point, Kim was the only thing keeping him together after everything that happened in Jimmy's life, she was the reason he even got the motivation to live during the bagman episode, and suddenly SHE is the one betraying him? The one leaving him after everyone else in his life has left him and could never accept him and love him as he was? Kim was the only one who understood and loved Jimmy for what he was, yet now she's the one 'betraying' him, that was the last straw for Jimmy, something inside him finally broke, all those repressed traumas culminated with that point, that was the end of Jimmy Mcgill's story, because he chose to put on a new persona, one that will never get fricked by anyone ever again, one that says frick you to everyone who never liked him or accepted him, basically what Jimmy said to the little girl who was not given the HHM scholarship, if nobody can accept him, he'll show everyone how big and mighty he can be on his own, he'll frick everyone over just to show how he is better than everyone else, because in reality he is afraid to be hurt again, to be alone, to not fit in, it was a self fulfilling prophecy, and it started with Jimmy working at the store watching his dad get fricked for being a nice guy, then the Chuck vs Slippin Jimmy feud, then Marco's influence, then his mother's death, then meeting Kim his true love and motivation, and so on, until we got to the breakup scene, the final blow
Turns out writing something like that is really difficult, better to waste time wrapping up character arcs for cast members everyone knew would be dead or gone by Breaking bad instead.
>You can actually watch Season 1 and just the last 5 minutes of the latest episode and you wouldn’t miss a thing in Jimmy/Saul’s character development
You truly wouldn’t. It’s remarkable how thoroughly they fricked this up
I think the Gene scenes haven't added much to the show thus far, a bit like the plane stuff in BrBa where it's mostly foreshadowing and intrigue. But even then it was self-contained in the season as buildup for the finale, whereas in BCS it feels like wasted time. Imagine BrBa season 2 not showing the plane scenes but Walter in hiding, thinking about the nazi gang... Especially since now that it may be time to show that stuff you're left with... 4 episodes for it? Plus whatever Walter and Jesse cameos have. Seems like it would've been better to progress on those seasons then have all the Gene stuff and flash-forwards near the end, or you end up with stuff like this episode where it seems you're running out of time to tie loose ends and finish the story.
>I NEED TO SEE HIM BUYING LITERALLY EVERYTHING HE HAS AND BECOMING LE KOOKY LAWYER
He's spent the last 5 and a half seasons developing his Saul Goodman persona and is now so depressed that he's took it on full time. Kim left so now he doesn't give a shit. What the frick else do you need? Who the frick wants to see him buying a house and car? It's unimportant.
>>I NEED TO SEE HIM BUYING LITERALLY EVERYTHING HE HAS AND BECOMING LE KOOKY LAWYER
No one has said this or anything like this. Why can't you engage with the critique in good faith?
No one has said this or anything like this.
Frick off, you bullshit artist.
defence of this show is literally based on schizo strawman arguments. they use them in every thread.
>YOU SAYING WE NEED A MONTAGE
>YOU SAYING WE NEED TO SEE THE INFLATABLE STATUE OF LIBERTY
>YOU JUST A SPEEDWATCHER
I am starting to believe they are shills repeating a script given to them
That in itself is a strawman, you dribbling child.
No. I’m not misrepresenting your arguments if you continually claim to say these things. Learn what a strawman is.
>montage of mike driving a car inside the warehouse for 10 minutes
>lazy timeskip because hack writers
>Cinemaphile pseud slurps up vince laziness
>10 minutes
Holy attention span. They explained why we was driving around, you braindead jackass.
>they explained it
that's your response? you fricking moron. it was a useless boring scene that added nothing to the series and your making dishonest comments about people wanting to see jimmy deal with heartbreak. fricking child
>you fricking moron
How fricking rich of you. You're a braindead c**t who couldn't write your own name with crayon.
good one
The scenes with Mike's guys doing work is meant to condition the audience that its good to be a nameless grunt that achieves nothing. Even if you die pointlessly defending someone that pays you minimum wage. Normal people see these clean up scenes and think "that's me. I'm always grinding every day to get that paper. rise and grind." and they have positive memories of the show.
>show about a scammer
>show was a scam
BRAVO VINCE
Watch Breaking Bad again
Im rewatching and Saul actually slips into Jimmy more times than you think
He’s only a caricature for his first 3 episodes or so
I rewatched it and he really only stops being a caricature in season 5. There’s a few moments where “Jimmy” is shown (helping Jesse with Brock and feeling bad the call to Hank) but that’s it.
haha i knew i was right to stay away from this show
nobody cares about this show and will never have the same impact breaking bad did/does
Ok
That timeskip is what this show should be all along. It didn't need Breaking Bad levels of drama.
I think I realized why Saul feel so different this season: it's Bob Odenkirk's health failing. He looks gaunt, his voice is deteriorating, and he doesn't have the getup and go attitude he used to in the first 3 seasons. Check out his demeanor in the you're not a real lawyer scene. This is definitely Saul from BB. The visceral anger is there.
Now compare it with his most recent outburst scene.
He is so haggard and barely catching his breath. I think the real reason we don't feel the timeskip works is that Saul should feel physically like he did in the first couple of seasons and BB, but he doesn't.
Pretty much everyone looked like they aged 10 years this season, and I'm fairly sure it was intentional
It’s even more extreme after the episode 7 break
it's true. between covid and the heart attack, it had a big impact. they shouldnt have dragged the show on for so long. you can get rid of two seasons if you stop with the cartel BS. then not everyone ages as much
Also scrap El Camino ffs
God, back when the show was kino incarnate.
Something about the breakup scene bothers me. I know it's supposed to be sad and emotional, but I just feel visceral revulsion and disgust at Jimmy begging Kim in his whiny high-pitched voice not to go with his hands clasped like a child. Is this how women feel when a man does something unmasculine? I suddenly understand them.
>How can you defend this?
I don't have to because I'm not a moronic homosexual like yourself.
Projection
tl;dr:
I have (sadly non-terminal) autism
>Jimmy has more success as a conman than making an honest living
>Wants brothers love
>Becomes lawyer
>Brother suggests he remain a coman instead of debasing the honor of law because it's more true to his character and trying to change is delaying the inevitable
>His wife and one and only confidant gases him up on the idea of fully commiting to the sleazy lawyer persona, constitutes it as a magic power and renders him impervious to the law and to being vulnerable to his peers
>Wife leaves him because the persona is more trouble than it's worth for her to stick around
>Saul is now publicly the cartoon others have always perceived him to be who rakes in thousands per day by playing to his strengths with literally nothing else going for him
>WTF THEY SKIPPED A YEAR??? THE TRANSFORMATION DOESN'T MAKE SENSE ANYMORE NOO VINCE NOO
He didn’t say that it doesn’t make sense
He may say that, but we know that he can’t make heads nor rails of it
They said the change happens during the time skip, it doesn't. You saw the final catalyst on screen and the absence of narrative in-between implies it's a straight and narrow path to where you next see him, the exact same reason you don't see Walt pissing about in his snowy cabin gradually growing a beard between Ozymandias and Granite State, because /you already know exactly why he's stuck there/
>They said the change happens during the time skip, it doesn't. You saw the final catalyst on screen
You see the catalyst, not the change. You said it yourself
>you don't see Walt pissing about in his snowy cabin gradually growing a beard between Ozymandias and Granite State
You do though, and it was kino
Fricking hell dude, there’s no winning with you. Not worth it.
Shut up
HE WAS COMIC RELIEF THIS WHOLE SERIES IS DOG SHIT
theres absolutely no way this shit show is better than BB put down the meth pipe
He already lost everything else throughout the season. Kim was just the last to go which is why it hit him so hard. You are acting like it is just her which drove him to become Saul when everything was leading to that.
>break up with a thot
>well I guess it's time to become criminal scum
>r/CinemaphileCinemaphile eats this shit up
BRAVO VINCE
meep
how is this thread still alive?
Speedwatching autists keep bumping it. Frick I can’t stand them.