After the Stewie Kills Lois message when they reveal it's a simulation he says it to Bryan afterwards. By that point the show had toned it down massively and I believed that snuffed out the rest.
because at this point it would be a mercy killing, and it's worse to leave her suffering.
They didn't say that on the show, it's just my general impression.
After the Stewie Kills Lois message when they reveal it's a simulation he says it to Bryan afterwards. By that point the show had toned it down massively and I believed that snuffed out the rest.
There was also Baby Not On Board where he realizes he needs the family at the end
Flanderization doesn’t really matter in shows like Billy and Mandy that never really had any heart or sincerity in their characters to begin with. The characters exist purely for jokes, not for emotional investment, and their personalities just shifted to make the jokes easier. Something like Family Guy is more egregious because you used to get moments played entirely serious with the characters and you’re expected to care about them.
Yeah this, I think Billy and Mandy is hilarious but it's not the kind of show that expects you to care about it's characters, everyone's treated like shit when needed to get a good joke off.
even the reverse happens sometimes
I remenber when Mandy was bad mooded on season1 but would still act as a child most of the time, she wanted to play, to have fun in a dark way but still.
Later season they removed everything of ''child'' on her and made this generic ''evil girl who wants to conquer the world''
They all got flanderized >Mandy went from a mean girl, but still a kid at heart (asked Billy's dad if he could play with her and other stuff) to the spawn of Satan >Billy went from dumb, but still had common sense to a complete moron that shouts all the time >Grim went from being intimidating earlier on and scared humans to being a complete joke that nobody took seriously. >Irwin went from Billy's cautious friend to a black stereotype who says YO all the time >Harold, like Billy had common sense earlier on and was the reasonable parent (taking care of Billy when Gladys had a nervous breakdown) but later was turned into a moron too
I would have liked to see where the show had gone had it kept its less insane tone. It had some good episodes but when I rewatch it billy can get annoying
and its hard to ignore greenblats contributions
even the reverse happens sometimes
I remenber when Mandy was bad mooded on season1 but would still act as a child most of the time, she wanted to play, to have fun in a dark way but still.
Later season they removed everything of ''child'' on her and made this generic ''evil girl who wants to conquer the world''
I saw Who Killed Who for the first time since I was in my single digits and I got massive whiplash >Mandy showing actual vulnerability like a regular kid >Irwin not being a simp
Irwin's development makes sense, though. He's a fricking nerd who wants to shed his timidity and show confidence to impress Mandy, but he just comes off as a complete ass instead.
Irwin's attraction to Mandy is some interesting continuity. The first time Irwin hears Mandy say she likes him, Billy was in her head.
Irwin's development makes sense, though. He's a fricking nerd who wants to shed his timidity and show confidence to impress Mandy, but he just comes off as a complete ass instead.
Season 1 of the show is so much darker and unique than the rest of the series and I love it. Season 2 not half bad either. The show definitely should've stayed in the realm of mythological creepy as opposed to the shock value and gross gags that would come later.
I fricking hate gross-out humor, always have. I dont understand why people find it entertaining.
Who started that shit? Was it Ren & Stimpy? I never liked that show either.
Randy Marsh is exactly the kind of character that is hilarious in the background or leader of a mob and ok as protagonist of specific episodes. But when they gave him a whole season he just turned into a complete jackass.
>Pilot had both of them being kinda dumb >Right after it changed to Cosmo being kind of dumb and Wanda just sort of being cautious >Later seasons Cosmo is deliriously dumb and Wanda is a tard wrangler
He had moron moments but that was within part of the early philosophy of South Park that everyone had moron moments and parents would do dumb things. It’s nowhere near as bad as it became, which is really the biggest shame because after the movie they dropped the standard of berating parents for being bad figures and blaming other people for their mistakes.
The interesting part about his debut, is he isn't Stan's Dad. Just a random geologist in South Park. Later on when they needed Stan's Dad for a scene, they decided to just reuse the character model instead of making a new one.
Same thing happened with Simpsons. Ralph Wiggum was not made to be Chief Wiggum's son until season 4. The two characters were developed independently and only later the writers decided to make them father and son.
>It always seems to the Dad or father figure.
Harold's seems to be a rare case where despite becoming dumber he managed to still be a decent enough father, whereas Gladys became the one blatantly unfit to be a parent.
Yes, there's a reason for that.
If I told you why, some commie homosexual or other flavor of useful idiot would start crying "schizo" or "meds" or some such nonsense.
If you’re suggesting there’s a nefarious reason why Randy in particular become a moron in a cartoon where practically every adult is a single digit IQ mouth breather then I think it’s pretty justified that people are telling you to take your meds.
>He was nieve, but he could still function as an adult and had some on screen success >Tingblad seasons make him into a moron manchild, who drowns in his own spit and constantly gets assaulted by everyone
I prefered when he felt more like a hyperactive kid and less outright chaotic. But overall it’s just the direction the series took, more in your face and loud. Reminds me of EEnE when the slapstick got way more absurd/destructive later on.
>"two halves of a whole idiot" >cosmo has deeper voice and is more like a goofy brother in season 1
>by later seasons, play Nickelodeon gender dynamics straight: Cosmo less intelligent than a fetus with about as much bowel control; Wanda neurotic and always correct naggy mother figure who is never a part of the slapstick
>zoomers haven't seen this masterpiece
There will never be a show like this again.
I wish you frickers would stop this shit, read what you wrote, and realize how dumb you sound. You sound like literal children arguing over Pokémon cards, charzard is cooler no way it’s blastoise! Seriously it’s Stupid.
Zoomer this, zoomer that, zoom into the nearest brick wall at 130 MPH you stupid twats. You dumbasses don't even know what Zoomer even fricking means. And stop making up new moronic words too.
The Loud House is a show where it's all over the place. Characters like Lori and Lola are much more fleshed out than season 1 and 2 when everyone was literally a single character trait, with both of them having a good number of diverse traits while still being themselves. Lucy's the opposite/played straight, where they got rid of everything that wasn't "textbook goth," even the emo aspects. Strangely she's apparently the most popular sister, so I don't know. Flanderization isn't necessarily a bad thing always, I guess.
In the 90s and 2000s, cartoon creator ls were REALLY obsessed with monstrously stupid guys for some reason. And as a kid of that age, I don't blame them. When you're 9 years old, a dude too stupid to know how to breathe is hilarious.
>complete moron is now the most used side character to the point you would think they're the main character
Yep. A good ol' Flanderization.
I think they explained in the show why he stopped trying to kill Lois.
because at this point it would be a mercy killing, and it's worse to leave her suffering.
They didn't say that on the show, it's just my general impression.
After the Stewie Kills Lois message when they reveal it's a simulation he says it to Bryan afterwards. By that point the show had toned it down massively and I believed that snuffed out the rest.
There was also Baby Not On Board where he realizes he needs the family at the end
New Stewie is funnier.
Flanderization doesn’t really matter in shows like Billy and Mandy that never really had any heart or sincerity in their characters to begin with. The characters exist purely for jokes, not for emotional investment, and their personalities just shifted to make the jokes easier. Something like Family Guy is more egregious because you used to get moments played entirely serious with the characters and you’re expected to care about them.
Yeah this, I think Billy and Mandy is hilarious but it's not the kind of show that expects you to care about it's characters, everyone's treated like shit when needed to get a good joke off.
even the reverse happens sometimes
I remenber when Mandy was bad mooded on season1 but would still act as a child most of the time, she wanted to play, to have fun in a dark way but still.
Later season they removed everything of ''child'' on her and made this generic ''evil girl who wants to conquer the world''
I remember that.
>evil girl who wants to conquer the world
that episode is still from the Grim and Evil season anon
They all got flanderized
>Mandy went from a mean girl, but still a kid at heart (asked Billy's dad if he could play with her and other stuff) to the spawn of Satan
>Billy went from dumb, but still had common sense to a complete moron that shouts all the time
>Grim went from being intimidating earlier on and scared humans to being a complete joke that nobody took seriously.
>Irwin went from Billy's cautious friend to a black stereotype who says YO all the time
>Harold, like Billy had common sense earlier on and was the reasonable parent (taking care of Billy when Gladys had a nervous breakdown) but later was turned into a moron too
I would have liked to see where the show had gone had it kept its less insane tone. It had some good episodes but when I rewatch it billy can get annoying
and its hard to ignore greenblats contributions
>and its hard to ignore greenblats contributions
For good or bad? For me it's for good
Fred Fredburger was his idea.
Oh
To give him credit, he never intended for CN to take the character and turn him into a mascot along with fricking Cheese
I think the YO thing was just a running gag.
Billy didn't really get Flanderized. They just made his relationship w/ other characters more malicious like Mandy.
I saw Who Killed Who for the first time since I was in my single digits and I got massive whiplash
>Mandy showing actual vulnerability like a regular kid
>Irwin not being a simp
Irwin's attraction to Mandy is some interesting continuity. The first time Irwin hears Mandy say she likes him, Billy was in her head.
Irwin's development makes sense, though. He's a fricking nerd who wants to shed his timidity and show confidence to impress Mandy, but he just comes off as a complete ass instead.
And that's a good thing, unironically.
Atoms is a hack
Season 1 of the show is so much darker and unique than the rest of the series and I love it. Season 2 not half bad either. The show definitely should've stayed in the realm of mythological creepy as opposed to the shock value and gross gags that would come later.
I fricking hate gross-out humor, always have. I dont understand why people find it entertaining.
Who started that shit? Was it Ren & Stimpy? I never liked that show either.
YEAH LIKE YOU
Randy Marsh is probably the worst example I can think of. Ed in EEnE came close to it in the later seasons.
Randy Marsh is exactly the kind of character that is hilarious in the background or leader of a mob and ok as protagonist of specific episodes. But when they gave him a whole season he just turned into a complete jackass.
I can't be the only one that tried this as a kid but failed...
I was scared out of my mind that this could happen if i picked my nose or sneezed too hard.
the intelligence is a match for the marines
Ed
>Pilot had both of them being kinda dumb
>Right after it changed to Cosmo being kind of dumb and Wanda just sort of being cautious
>Later seasons Cosmo is deliriously dumb and Wanda is a tard wrangler
They kept making Cosmo's voice more irritating every season.
I remember it being the opposite at first, Wanda was a ditz but Cosmo seemed reasonably dmart.
Cosmo gave off the voice and personality of a used car salesman in Oh Yeah Cartoons and parts of season 1.
Wanda gets hit with the moron stick at the tail end of the show too
How?
she just…is dumb now
dipping the wands in stomach acid and shit
It always seems to the Dad or father figure.
To be fair early Randy had his moron moments too. All the adult in South Park aside from Chef were stupid.
He had moron moments but that was within part of the early philosophy of South Park that everyone had moron moments and parents would do dumb things. It’s nowhere near as bad as it became, which is really the biggest shame because after the movie they dropped the standard of berating parents for being bad figures and blaming other people for their mistakes.
The interesting part about his debut, is he isn't Stan's Dad. Just a random geologist in South Park. Later on when they needed Stan's Dad for a scene, they decided to just reuse the character model instead of making a new one.
Same thing happened with Simpsons. Ralph Wiggum was not made to be Chief Wiggum's son until season 4. The two characters were developed independently and only later the writers decided to make them father and son.
Should've been Eddie's
Maybe he is.
>It always seems to the Dad or father figure.
Harold's seems to be a rare case where despite becoming dumber he managed to still be a decent enough father, whereas Gladys became the one blatantly unfit to be a parent.
randy got it pretty hard
Yes, there's a reason for that.
If I told you why, some commie homosexual or other flavor of useful idiot would start crying "schizo" or "meds" or some such nonsense.
If you’re suggesting there’s a nefarious reason why Randy in particular become a moron in a cartoon where practically every adult is a single digit IQ mouth breather then I think it’s pretty justified that people are telling you to take your meds.
Went from being a chain-smoking alcoholic sociopath to self-insert of an angsty teen.
He became a serial killer even his parents were afraid off
>every character becomes one-dimensional
>but the show becomes exponentially funnier
sometimes less is more
unironically the funniest episode. and it somehow only features one mc
>He was nieve, but he could still function as an adult and had some on screen success
>Tingblad seasons make him into a moron manchild, who drowns in his own spit and constantly gets assaulted by everyone
Hackblad would never
Dexter's dad went from being a golfing pro to not even knowing the basics of the game.
The Mogar episode is where Harold changed.
Are you talking about Grim?
>S1
Competent auto mechanic
>later seasons
Certifiable moron
Luanne always struck me as someone who wanted to be an idiot because she found it simpler and less stressful.
is somewhat intelligent in S1
Pic not related?
I prefered when he felt more like a hyperactive kid and less outright chaotic. But overall it’s just the direction the series took, more in your face and loud. Reminds me of EEnE when the slapstick got way more absurd/destructive later on.
>Reminds me of EEnE when the slapstick got way more absurd/destructive later on.
Even Eddy said he's tired of that in the movie iirc.
>"two halves of a whole idiot"
>cosmo has deeper voice and is more like a goofy brother in season 1
>by later seasons, play Nickelodeon gender dynamics straight: Cosmo less intelligent than a fetus with about as much bowel control; Wanda neurotic and always correct naggy mother figure who is never a part of the slapstick
>character starts out as the voice of reason
>later becomes the worst character in the show and serves as a mouthpiece for the writers
Why'd you post about Brian Griffin then post a picture of Lisa Simpson?
I'm actually rewatching the show now, and no, he was always an idiot. All the way back in season 1.
>zoomers haven't seen this masterpiece
There will never be a show like this again.
B&M is Zoomercore.
It's zillennial.
I wish you frickers would stop this shit, read what you wrote, and realize how dumb you sound. You sound like literal children arguing over Pokémon cards, charzard is cooler no way it’s blastoise! Seriously it’s Stupid.
Quiet Zoomer focused zillennial anti-boomercore protestant
This is the sort of post that makes you question how far gone some anons are on this website
Not a thing
Very bold of you to assume no zoomer has ever watched an old show. Not to mention this shit aired in the 2000s
Zoomer this, zoomer that, zoom into the nearest brick wall at 130 MPH you stupid twats. You dumbasses don't even know what Zoomer even fricking means. And stop making up new moronic words too.
How many instances in show where the reverse happened? Like the characters being more rounded and their earlier depictions are weirdly flat?
*How many instances where the reverse happened*
The Loud House is a show where it's all over the place. Characters like Lori and Lola are much more fleshed out than season 1 and 2 when everyone was literally a single character trait, with both of them having a good number of diverse traits while still being themselves. Lucy's the opposite/played straight, where they got rid of everything that wasn't "textbook goth," even the emo aspects. Strangely she's apparently the most popular sister, so I don't know. Flanderization isn't necessarily a bad thing always, I guess.
Venture Bros comes to mind
Every character got more nuanced and less one note as the show went on.
Beavis and Butt-Head seem to have slightly more depth now than they did in the 90s. Or at least Beavis does.
I mean, given how damn shallow they are, I feel like it was kinda inevitable, if only to expand to having more jokes..
Is the reboot good?
In the 90s and 2000s, cartoon creator ls were REALLY obsessed with monstrously stupid guys for some reason. And as a kid of that age, I don't blame them. When you're 9 years old, a dude too stupid to know how to breathe is hilarious.
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did you just malfunction or what?
Rule of funny