What the frick is Chuck thinking? Aside from throwing in with Orchis not once but twice, he's now also actively mind-controlling the human population to fall victim to the AI's schemes.
I don't see the grand plan here, and I don't see how he comes back from this heel turn... he's evil forever for this imo. He's become everything he was once afraid of. Thoughts? Am I missing something?
Charles can never be "evil forever" until he's portrayed as evil as a movie. He's going to be back in the wheelchair and reversed back to full Patrick Stewart mode in a few years. That's the power of synergies/secondaries.
This is why I was mad at the Resurrection of Magneto mini, even though it was pretty well written. He had a really good death, but he had to come back for his movie equivalent
>pretty well written
Top kek
In a vacuum, sure.
Synergy isn't as prevalent in 2024 as you make it up to be. Magneto's resurrection was clearly planned when they killed him off.
I mean, he was never gonna stay dead, but what do you mean "planned"?
They had already planned how and roughly when he would come back.
>write Xavier as either dead or evil for the last 20 years
>MCU refuses to pull from anything before civil war
There is no chance he's not going to be a villain in the X-men MCU movie if it even comes out
>We are going to make Charles, the guy who did advocate for a healthy coexistence, a traitor butthole so that the terrorist who justifies himself by being a survivor of the Holocaust (But he has committed as many crimes or more at his own hands than Hitler) the new maximum leader of the mutants
Even the damn 97 show is doing that
>Charles is living the high life about to be the king of a glorious empire while Magneto is on earth fighting for his people (Although he spent years making coexistence more difficult and cultivating enemies)
>the guy who did advocate for a healthy coexistence
They retconned that to him not actually giving two shits about coexistence and simply forming the X-Men to act as mutant police because he viewed mutants as an existential threat to humanity.
It was right before the Sinister dark future.
He formed the X-Men as mutant police for the ultimate goal of peaceful co-existence.
Let's be honest, if Charles didn't form the X-Men even with this idea of being a mutant police many mutants would have committed horrible crimes against humanity and even against themselves (MORE), damn it, the fricking existence of the Morlocks shows that among them they are fricking elitist and Magneto was the greatest of them
Maybe if you had been pulling your weight and actively lobotomizing raycists radicals muggas would be ontop an not actively hunted down like rats in the sewer };^)
Are you just reading the awful Duggan books and not paying attention at all to the Gillen books where this is a dark path that's necessary to get rid of Enigma?
I love the Enigma stuff in concept but I'm struggling to understand it in practice. Is Enigma why Mother Righteous melted to wax while Charles was mind controlling her in the White-Hot Room?
No, Righteous figured out a way to kill her simulacrum without killing herself. Xavier took over the body as it was dying to send a message. Enigma has no access to the White Hot Room since it's outside of time and space like he is.
I still don't get why they didn't just kill Moira to prevent enigma and all the other bullshit
Honestly if that's what it takes for them to be accepted by society/ensure peace that sure as hell seems a lot better than facing countless wars, attempted genocides, etc and commiting your own atrocities in the process
>I still don't get why they didn't just kill Moira to prevent enigma and all the other bullshit
Nobody wanted to give up Krakoa and also none of them had the stomach to kill a little girl with the mind of a hundred thousand year old woman
Xavier represents race relations before Obama and Occupy Wall Street. He has to get character assassinated even further while they prop Magneto up.
>chuck sucks because he banished mutants to save humans
>chuck is sucks because he's killing humans to save mutants
Can they make up their minds?
Chuck sucks (and fricks). There is no qualifier or explanation required. It is self evident.
Magneto is only right because Chuck is wrong about everything and makes him right by default - that's how much Chuck sucks.
Scott basically permanently making him an outsider was the best thing the comics ever established as a long standing dynamic.
He's buying time for the mutants counterstrike. While he's focusing the machines' attentions on the humans, the muties are gonna go get their shit together to go gank Enigma and push back Orchis.
It's basically a "I will dirty my hands and let myself be seen as the bad guy, so that we can stop these guys" play.
Why’d he go b***h mode and refuse to cap Kid Moira, then? Surely killing one child is better than killing hundreds of millions?
Because the Dead X-Men begged him not to. They didn't know that the alternative would require a lot more deaths.
The entire reason robot memory clone Moira betrayed Krakao and the mutants was because Xavier and Magneto betrayed her and Emma, Mystique, and Destiny are c**ts.
She was already planning on betraying Krakoa before that. She was going to use her cure on all of them and then spread it throughout humanity to permanently get rid of the x-gene.
based. the x-gene is just celestial engineering anyway it has no place in natural evolution
And that's a bad thing why? The inner circle of the X-men and high profile mutants are already aware of the fact that the X-gene is unnatural. Several non-mutants are also aware of this. The x-gene does more harm to the average mutant and only a few mutants that actually benefit from it.
I didn't say it's bad or good. I said it's not true that Moira only betrayed them after Mystique and Destiny went after her in Inferno.
I feel bad for the kid in the back whose ability is to be a backpack
>Child
Only in her body she's mentally an adult
Marvel realized that their most famous israeli character Magneto can't be portrayed as the evil guy while Israel is massacring the Palestinians.
Like Krakoa was any better for his character.
I wish people on this board actually read comics. Xavier's true motives were thoroughly explained in Rise of the Powers of X and X-Men Forever. He's not actually with Orchis. He's bullshitting them to buy time for the X-Men to defeat Enigma. In Gillen's books the only humans he's actually helped kill were Orchis scientists. Duggan had him destroy a U.S. spacecraft full of people, but Duggan also had Nightcrawler gleefully murder people a few issues ago.
>He's bullshitting them to buy time for the X-Men to defeat Enigma. In Gillen's books the only humans he's actually helped kill were Orchis scientists.
rotpox is definitely acknowledging his kill count
I'm pretty sure she was talking about the number of Orchis scientists being purged with his help. In Rise at least, he hadn't killed anyone else.
That talk about having the nuclear codes is the lead-up to what happens in fothox.
So far it's just talk. What happened in FotHoX was he took control of a bridge officer on the ship, and made him detonate their weapons aboard the ship. That's not the same thing as activating all the nuclear arsenals on Earth. I'm pretty confident in saying he's not going to go through with that.
It's looking likely that the reason he didn't tell Cyclops the reasons for his actions is because getting stopped/killed by Cyclops and the X-Men is part of his plan. The people complicit in his actions are three villains and Hope, who looks like she's going to be fricking off for a while in the last issue of X-Men Forever. They have to take easy resurrections off the table after all.
So how soon until they bring Krakoa back after the flop era flops
It's over, just like the Morrison era ended, the Decimation era ended, and the Schism era ended. At least one retailer is glad to see it go.
they will probably create another mutant paradise in few years
The idea that Professor X would be giving up the nuclear codes is what concerns me, master plan or not. He’s knowingly putting WMDs into the hands of villains
He's not giving them to Orchis, he just used them to nuke that shuttle.
>I wish people on this board actually read comics.
I wish you people would actually stop reading X-Men comics and stop buying them so Marvel would stop doing awful things like this with them.
Just like with Spider-Man, they're never going to fix these books unless people stop buying them.
>Brubaker tries to turn Xavier into Ultimate Xavier
>Carey puts in a lot of work to fix him back normal Chuck and gets a great series out of it
>Hickman comes along and not only ruins Xavier again but in a way that's basically only going to get him Beasted
Please let's not forget that everything from the first issue of X-Men in 1963 up until Krakoa was pre-planned by Magneto and Xavier and the whole "mutant vs mutant" struggle was just a stage play as they planned Krakoa with Moira. And that they also supplied Sinister with funds in return for his technology and genetics knowledge.
So basically everything from X-Men #1 in 1963 until HoX/PoX is a LARP by Xavier and Magneto.
That's not true. They stopped working on it when they had their falling out. Magneto completely stopped and Xavier only continued the part about upgrading Cerebro for mind backups. Other than that it was just Moira working on it from behind the scenes. It was only like a year before HoXPoX that they got back together and started working on it again.
>Xavier only continued the part about upgrading Cerebro for mind backups.
Thanks for reminding me basically every mutant character is dead and replaced by a clone.
Again, not true. The comics confirmed that the dead mutant's soul returns to the new body. Both in-universe and IRL interviews say it's true resurrections. The only clones are Avengers-era Beast and Laura, since both of them were made while the original was still alive.
Like I said before, I really wish people on this board actually read the comics they rage and scream about.
I fricking hate the gays over Marvel who insist on trying to make Xavier a war criminal and Magneto as Jesus. It doesn't make any sense and align itself to the idea that wrong is right and right is wrong. This mentality that the opressed is always right bores me.
That's funny because right and wrong only exist in fiction. In reality, there aren't right or wrong choices; only consequences. You just pick which choice you can live with yourself at the end of the day and get on with your life. Its why its easy to write Magneto in an attractive way. He's portrayed as the realist. The only wrong thing Marvel is doing is not portraying Magneto as torn and haunted by his actions but actively chooses to play the role of the villain if it means it stops the persecutio of his fellow mutants. Perhaps his fellow mutants will be spared in having to play the role of the villain if he does it for them.
Wouldn't you do the same, though? Wouldn't you sacrifice your soul to burn in hell if it meant it spared your loved ones from having theirs burned?
Lol lmao you actually brought into the "Magneto is an oh so noble anti-villain. Bullshit the dude is a power hungry despot, he's ALWAYS at the lead or near the levers of power his entire thing is trying to obtain power over other's weaker than him be they human or mutant, and despite all the retcons and explanations writers try they still end up adding to the fricked up meta narrative surrounding the character
krakoa has irreparably damaged so many characters
It's damaged everything.
True, And they couldn't even pull the trigger and retcon it. Fricking idiots
lmao at babby's first x-men shitshow. grow some pubic hair kiddo
I've been around for a lot of these. The only thing worse than Krakoa was Decimation but Decimation didn't also completely ruin the characters that were still around the way Krakoa basically ruined all of the X-Men.
Decisions were made that I didn't like but the Carey/Brubaker/Fraction/Gillen era of the mid-00s to the early 10s was a classic run of mostly good comics. Bendis/Lemire/Soule/Guggenheim/Taylor/Rosenberg brought the X-Men to a nadir that Hickman revitalized.
Carey yes but the rest, no. Brubaker especially was complete dogshit and easily among the WOAT major X-Men writers.
The truth is that Krakoa is ending because sales are slipping. And they're slipping because while HoX/PoX was a fresh jump-on point which attracted droves of new or returning readers, the heavy continuity and insanely complex stories mean that as readers have fallen off no new readers have arrived to replace them. You see people everywhere be extremely intimidated when they find out they have to read so much to even understand where an X-Men title is at in 2021. And that's ultimately unsustainable. You can't have this giant mega complex epic that requires people to follow along for years to understand it and also keep attracting readers. Epics are meant to end. You see that with every form of media that drags on for years. What I do not get are all the extremely vocal fans (all of whom have been reading since Hox/PoX) who think marvel are intentionally sabotaging the X-men comics just because their personal favorite story arc is ending. Do they not understand that it's become a roadblock to attracting new readers? Like shit you could have continued for another year and made it a full five and not made the Fall of Kraoa arcs suck so fricking hard but the truth is it had to end or else the property would just be a total mess, inaccessible to new readers or returning pre-Hickman readers.
I just don't get the people who get so militant about this that they claim Krakoa is the only valid X-Men era.
It was always going to end in 2024, Gillen, Duggan, and Percy, etc had planned for it. But the slipping sales made them cut it five months early so a lot of subplots had to get chopped and Sabretooth War has to double ship because they weren't going to cut that potential cash cow.
I think I read Hickman had plans for six years, but I've also heard four. Either way, the problem for Marvel is that Krakoa has become inaccessible and unrecognizable as "X-Men" to anyone except the people who have been reading since 2019. And those people are now proclaiming themselves the only true X-Men fans.
yeah, I can imagine millions of comic book fans have trouble with the current x-men. That was sarcasm btw
yeah, sure. The X-Men fighting the Brood is unrecognizable. Also, a dystopian future story where an X-villain won and took over is also unrecognizable. That's definitely never been a popular X-Men storyline. Fricking idiot.
>The truth is that Krakoa is ending because sales are slipping
No anon, it's ending because hickman is gone, x-men 97 is ongoing, and there is an upcoming x-men movie
Fricking idiot.
Nobody is saying that krakoa is the only valid era, but that it was the most interesting that x-men were in a while. I want you to repeat your points, when Brevoort's era turns out to be a nothingburger flop
>Nobody is saying that krakoa is the only valid era,
NTA but there are a shitload of homosexuals on twitter who do. All of them have trans rights flag or similar and all of them think Krakoa was all about the parties and concerts and galas. Did they read the comics? Probably not, they probably just consume it second-hand or something.
https://variety.com/2024/film/news/marvel-layoffs-1235971962/
Xavier didn't turn evil. He's just buying time for Rachel/Hope/Destiny/Exodus to save a mortally wounded Phoenix Force/Jean's life so she can use the Phoenix Force to smite all enemies of mutantkind, including Enigma who is the super secret mastermind behind Orchis and who will just build a new Orchis/Nimrod if Orchis falls in a couple of years and try this gambit all over again if he's not killed alongside Nimrod.
And Hope pretty much is justifying Xavier killing humans for Orchis/helping them kill humans because "frick humanity" bigotry, as did the Rachel and the Dead X-Men team, who bullied Xavier out of the correct and bloodless option (depower/kill Moira so Krakoa never exists, which means that Orchis and Enigma never exist. Because they'd rather reign in hell than allow their victims and the victims of Orchis to be allowed to be brought back via time travel frickery.
To be fair to Hope it's less bigotry on her end and more akin to a fricked up pragmatic version of Vegeta saying Earth needs to help out with the final attack on Kid Buu. She basically is okay with some humans dying if it means taking out Enigma/the AIs. Still and buttholeish bordering on villainous thing in the end though but Hope was always a prick
Meta reason of course killing/depowering Moira and retconning Krakoa would be tantamount to saying that Krakoa was a mistake and can't have that, nosiree.
It would kill trade/omnibus sales for the era. That's basically the only reason why marvel never does straight retcons, only weird-ass "explanations" on stuff.
Krakoa wasn't a mistake. It was an interesting direction, and plenty of people enjoyed it. I've been reading X-Men comics since I was a kid in the 90's, and I loved Krakoa. So I'm glad it's all staying canon. I'm also glad that homosexuals like you will seethe eternally over it.
>It was an interesting direction
It wasn’t.
>and plenty of people enjoyed it
Doesn’t make it good, nor sustainable since those “plenty’ weren’t enough to keep the sales to the bar Marvel was hoping for, it had a decent start but the exodus of paying initial Krakoa enjoyers was clear.
It was interesting but I'm not a huge fan of how it was executed.
Huge mixed bag. Some fantastic titles, some absolutely atrocious. But it broke the mutant genocide cycle which was great. hopefully it'll stay broken
You're wrong as is anyone else who liked Krakoa. I'm completely militant about this.
>What the frick is Chuck thinking?
He's supposedly trying to buy time for Jean to fuse with the Phoenix again so she can BTFO Enigma. The problem is nobody actually knows this is the plan except Rachell and Jean so half the mutants want to stop him while the other half are fine with bending the knee
Xavier loves peace. "Peace" is another term for surrender. Do you know where the peace sign comes from? The two fingers that form a V? In ancient times, when one army defeats another army, they make the peace sign to signal to signal to their allies that the battle field is peaceful now because their enemies are dead.
He looks like the Apple guy now lol
Anyway do you expect Beast to go full schizo after his girlfriend got turned into a sentinel? I wanna see a fully prepared Hank vs Wolverine.
>Anyway do you expect Beast to go full schizo after his girlfriend got turned into a sentinel? I wanna see a fully prepared Hank vs Wolverine.
Old/Original Hank is dead as shit, they decided not to resurrect him again. Instead they recreated 1980s hank from backups. So no, the current Beast doesn't remember her because they never met.
Oh I was talking about the show. Sorry.
More and more I think Claremont was the only writer who actually understood these characters
Did he actually hate mutants or just want an excuse to kill?
Yes to both, his hate was mostly due to the X-men interfering with his plans
It's just an excuse to kill
But surely it's also an idea of "Look, I'm killing you and just so you know, I'm also a racist (I'm not, but I know that will affect you more as you die, you're dying at the hands of a racist that you hate so much)"
I hate modern muties so much it's unreal