why come here and talk about tv if you don't even watch it? how fricking empty is your life?
11 months ago
Anonymous
>how fricking empty is your life?
yes asshurt troon I am sure you don't spend 10 hours a day on twitter on top of screeching in every thread on here.
11 months ago
Anonymous
i've never even made a twitter account because i'm not fricking moronic. grow a personality.
11 months ago
Anonymous
>television and film
anon... please... stop...
11 months ago
Anonymous
>thread about a tv show
anon... you may be moronic...
11 months ago
Anonymous
>why come here and talk about tv if you don't even watch it? how fricking empty is your life? >here >to talk about tv >implying Cinemaphile and television in general
LOL
11 months ago
Anonymous
i'm clearly posting in a board about a tv show.
"here".
to talk about tv.
moron.
11 months ago
Anonymous
you have to trolling LOL >i'm clearly posting in a board about a tv show.
who cares? what you originally said was >why come here and talk about tv if you don't even watch it? how fricking empty is your life?
eat shit LOL
what are you, netflix's lawyer? if millions of people are willing to spend money to view a product, the people who made that product should be able to make a single month's rent bare fricking minimum. it's called capitalism, i know you'd rather everyone work for free but that isn't how it works.
11 months ago
Anonymous
>if thousands of people see my shiny swept floors every day, I deserve residuals and being able to make 1000 dollars in a single day
no?
11 months ago
Anonymous
floors aren't art or media. not a good analogy moron.
11 months ago
Anonymous
art and media is inherently more valuable? why?
11 months ago
Anonymous
>art and media is inherently more valuable? why?
because people are willing to pay to view it, which isn't true for floors generally.
welcome to capitalism.
Why do people in art or media deserve to be obscenely rich?
why do the network execs deserve to be obscenely rich? they don't even do any of the actual work.
11 months ago
Anonymous
so if what they're paying isn't enough for them to make more than they are, why should they make any more than that?
11 months ago
Anonymous
Why do people in art or media deserve to be obscenely rich?
11 months ago
Anonymous
because people are morons who kept paying for movies after they raised the price to a quarter.
11 months ago
Anonymous
They work 4 days a fricking month, get more acting jobs or maybe a real fricking job
11 months ago
Anonymous
They aren't though. Its a streaming service. Netflix has to churn things out to keep people subbing. Actually releasing a movie or series doesn't get them much more money than they would get that month anyway. That particular film or episode is just one thing they're paying their sub to watch.
11 months ago
Anonymous
if that was true, they wouldn't be posting record profits every year. they are making way more money than they're spending on shows. way, way more.
11 months ago
Anonymous
God you're dumb. Their profits are literally in decline. Their REVENUE is going up but they literally had a 16% decline in profits last year.
11 months ago
Anonymous
fair, but if their profits are in decline, why are the ceo salary and bonuses going up? why reward someone for losing money with more money?
11 months ago
Anonymous
The market. As you've so kindly stated.
11 months ago
Anonymous
What I love about this argument is that if they paid all the actors and actresses what they think they deserve there wouldn't be any extra capital left to fund their gay-trannie porn aimed at black children or any of the other nonsense. There wouldn't be some living /misc/ cartoon (picrel) getting paid to be the show-runner of "let's get whitey" or whatever that one show was. Now it would be fun to see that happen and force Netflix to make shows that appeal to a wide-range of audiences instead of only producing queer marxist agit-prop. >b-b-but my one kernel of corn show that i like
That's probably all that would be left.
>she does, and so does every other actor in the industry. but i'm sure you know more about it. somehow.
All neets on 4chin(nel) likely think they should be awarded castles and real life waifus.
why should they given that she was willing to work for that price
she does, and so does every other actor in the industry. but i'm sure you know more about it. somehow.
but these actors are either entitled star or hypocritical nobodies. do u have any idea how many no-name actors out there would have taken on her part for at least a season for fricking free? just to have it part of your resume and be recognizable?
I assume the distinction with shooting means they probably practice their scenes for a few days too. But yes that makes them think they're too busy and special for a real job.
So are most industries and nobody gives a frick about the minimum wage slaves for those places. They need to step up their game because nobody else is going to make it happen for them. They can start by not posting on the internet and organizing to beat their boss's head in with a hammer if they don't get a raise.
seriously tho, normal workaday actors and writers don't want to suddenly become millionaires, they just want more than they're getting. if disney agreed to their demands, it would cost less than 1% of their profit. literally less than 1% to slightly improve the lives of all of the people that actually make their shit. i think they can afford it.
if the fast food workers and other low skilled, poor people were getting paid enough to feel secure, they may quit and not work those jobs. keeping them poor and without benefits guarantees that those jobs stay filled.
I think the problem is the industry is located in super expensive cities, and if they have to commute they will get close to no sleep. It shouldn't be millions but it should be livable, for every movie star you see there are hundred of actors barely affording to live despite despite being in hit movies and tv series.
>barely affording to live
Black person she works 4 days in a month IN A MONTH
That leaves her ass 25 other days to get up and make some fricking money. She could be a part time waitress and actor and still have 3 days off a week and pay those bills
$1,800 a month for four days of work is really good. Just get a part time job and you're set. Most people would love to be able to supplement their income so much with only 4 days of work.
frick off commie, people should be paid for the work they do.
11 months ago
Anonymous
they are. 900 per day of shooting.
11 months ago
Anonymous
people should be paid for what their work is worth, not the amount of hours.
doctor should be paid more than farmer
lawyer should be paid more than cleaner
actor on billion dollar network with millions of viewers should be paid more than random bit part actor with no views
simple capitalism.
11 months ago
Anonymous
she is being paid more. 900 per day of shooting is not the minimum for an acting gig. LOL LOOLOLLOL
11 months ago
Anonymous
but is it worth the literal hundreds of millions her episodes made in subscriptions? if i write a song that goes platinum, do i not deserve more money than someone who writes shitty songs that no one buys?
>people should be paid for what their work is worth
I think we're all agreeing to that, some of us just don't think actors are worth much. What do they provide to society and the world in general? I'd argue a ditch digger has a more tangible and positive impact than an actor.
this is communistic thinking. the free market doesn't give a frick what you "provide to society", it only cares about what people spend money on. more money spent = more worth. being on multiple episodes of one of the most viewed tv seasons of the year should equal more than fricking $1800. even if she shot every scene in a single day, she was ripped off.
11 months ago
Anonymous
are you moronic?
11 months ago
Anonymous
>people should be paid for what their work is worth
I think we're all agreeing to that, some of us just don't think actors are worth much. What do they provide to society and the world in general? I'd argue a ditch digger has a more tangible and positive impact than an actor.
11 months ago
Anonymous
I'd pay the janitors cleaning up after them and waxing their asses more
11 months ago
Anonymous
>doctor should be paid more than farmer
Interesting comparison.
Why is a farmer's work so much less important than a doctor's?
11 months ago
Anonymous
i feel like you should know this without me telling you
11 months ago
Anonymous
But I don't, please tell me.
11 months ago
Anonymous
It'd actually a very
11 months ago
Anonymous
it'd actually a very what?
And where has she signed this contract anon?
i didn't see the contract, but the issue is with the industry, this is an example of something unfair, she's not suing over that specific contract. it honestly surprises me that she got paid so little for scenes millions of people paid to see. there are actors who appeared in one single episode of Friends who are receiving substantial residuals to this day for their role, like thousands of dollars every few months for work they did decades ago.
and she got a flat day rate and not a penny more. just seems weird.
11 months ago
Anonymous
>i didn't see the contract
Stop posting
11 months ago
Anonymous
you didn't see it either b***h
Oh no, the poor wasn't signed on to make $900 a day and didn't want to work any more in another role.
That's all this is, she like you, fells anything less is beneath her so she won't work the rest of the month unless it's for $110 an hour.
No one has sympathy for these fricks. Stop making it a binary.
>No one has sympathy for these fricks
You don't, lots of people do. but they don't need sympathy, they're withholding their labor. if their labor is worth what they think it is, they'll succeed. if it isn't, they won't. getting upset about it is childish, this is capitalism in effect.
11 months ago
Anonymous
So under your rules this is now schrodinger's job contract
Provide a single source
11 months ago
Anonymous
No one cares anon. No one gives a shit.
11 months ago
Anonymous
she's not gonna frick you bro
11 months ago
Anonymous
i don't need her to frick me I have a gf she just goes to another school
11 months ago
Anonymous
Oh no, the poor wasn't signed on to make $900 a day and didn't want to work any more in another role.
That's all this is, she like you, fells anything less is beneath her so she won't work the rest of the month unless it's for $110 an hour.
No one has sympathy for these fricks. Stop making it a binary.
11 months ago
Anonymous
*poor woman
11 months ago
Anonymous
>there are actors who appeared in one single episode of Friends who are receiving substantial residuals to this day for their role, like thousands of dollars every few months for work they did decades ago.
Friends aired 30 years ago and it was the top show on broadcast tv. Industries change. Being an extra on some shit streaming show isn't the same.
Also, no is making thousands in residuals for one episode, you just made that up.
11 months ago
Anonymous
>Being an extra on some shit streaming show isn't the same.
It could be the same though, the studios have made the decision that it isn't, but it could be. if you have multiple speaking scenes in a show that draws in millions of dollars, you should get more than a flat day rate. they did in friends, they did should now.
>making thousands in residuals for one episode
i can't find the source now, it was an article interviewing "actors who appeared in one episode". i think the quote was from the guy that played chip, rachels highschool bf, it was something like he gets a "substantial" check every few months, so he can't imagine what the actual friends are making. i assumed that meant thousands but maybe not. i'll keep looking.
11 months ago
Anonymous
>i can't find the source now
How bizarre!
11 months ago
Anonymous
He was in two.
Everything you say is contradicted in the next post.
Leave already.
11 months ago
Anonymous
>you should get more than a flat day rate
why? you keep saying this, but you're not saying why, just because the episode potentially has a lot of viewers, doesn't mean she automatically deserves more pay. the job is worth what the production company offers and what the actor accepts, nothing more.
11 months ago
Anonymous
>there are actors who appeared in one single episode of Friends who are receiving substantial residuals to this day for their role, like thousands of dollars every few months
Post a single thing to back up a word you have said in this thread.
Brother in christ she worked 4 days a month. Just because it's a multibillion dollar industry doesn't justify paying them more, if that was the case burger flippers at McDonalds should be driving around in lambos since they work far more hours per month than her for a very rich company
if a doctor removes a tumor in two hours, should he only get paid for two hours of work? or does he get paid what the life-saving surgery is worth? it is not about time spent, it is about outcome. you'd know this if you ever had a job.
people should get paid for what their role is worth. someone working 40 hours in sales should get paid more than 40 hours in the mailroom. it's what the work is worth, not flat numbers.
Well he probably doesn’t get to go home for the day and will have to come to work the next day.
but he's still paid more for those two hours. more than a janitor or cashier for their 2 hours. because his time is worth more.
my Black person are you implying her work on Orange is the New Black is comparable to the work of a surgeon?
i'm saying that not all hours are equal. if millions of people are willing to pay for an actor's work, it is worth more than sweeping a floor or collecting garbage. similar to how a doctor's two hours are worth more than a janitor's two hours.
guys this is basic capitalism. everyone getting paid exactly the same rate for the amount of hours they work is called communism. it isn't about how hard it is, or even how much skill or talent it takes. it's about how much money people are willing to spend on it. and a fricking lot of people paid to watch this show.
11 months ago
Anonymous
>art and media is inherently more valuable? why?
because people are willing to pay to view it, which isn't true for floors generally.
welcome to capitalism.
[...]
why do the network execs deserve to be obscenely rich? they don't even do any of the actual work.
I like how you say a janitor is paid X and that's ok because that's what he's worth because that's what he's paid. Then turn around and say actors paid X but that isn't ok despite that they are also paid X.
11 months ago
Anonymous
that's not what i said, i said janitors should be paid less than doctors, not that janitors are worth what they're paid. the market dictates what people are worth.
if actors and writers aren't worth more money, this strike will fail and nothing will change. if they are worth more, the strike will succeed and they'll get more. withholding your labor is only a threat if your labor is worth something.
11 months ago
Anonymous
so you are the market?
11 months ago
Anonymous
no, the market is the market. if the big studios can make money without the writers and actors, they are free to do so. if they can't, then they need to meet the demands of the workers. basic capitalistic labor negotiation.
it might not work, and that will just prove that the actors and writers aren't worth as much as they think they are. but if it does work, it'll prove they were being underpaid for years.
11 months ago
Anonymous
you're moronic
that's not what i said, i said janitors should be paid less than doctors, not that janitors are worth what they're paid. the market dictates what people are worth.
if actors and writers aren't worth more money, this strike will fail and nothing will change. if they are worth more, the strike will succeed and they'll get more. withholding your labor is only a threat if your labor is worth something.
>i said janitors should be paid less than doctors
11 months ago
Anonymous
>underpaid
You've already stated that isn't a thing. You're paid what you're worth at all times is your stated position.
11 months ago
Anonymous
not what i said, i was using the example of "hours spent as a doctor working" to "hours spent as a janitor working" to provide a very easy and obvious comparison, which you still misunderstood somehow. people should be paid for the value of their work, not the hours they spend working. do you disagree with something as basic as that?
11 months ago
Anonymous
>the market dictates what people are worth
Better luck next time kiddo.
11 months ago
Anonymous
people should be paid what they can get paid
commie scum
The market. As you've so kindly stated.
nope, it's actually the company itself that decides the ceo's salary. not the consumer, not the market, just the actual company. they pay actors and writers shit, and the ceo millions. and the profits are falling. i wonder if there's a lesson here.
Then the business doesn’t draw investors and she doesn’t have a job.
it will always draw investors, the media industry isn't going to choke and die because they take a 1% hit on their profit margins.
11 months ago
Anonymous
how is a free market where people get paid what they can get paid commie shit unless you are 100% baiting
11 months ago
Anonymous
no fair point, i misunderstood. that's what responding to multiple people at once gets me.
you're right, people should get paid what employers are willing to pay. if it takes strikes and negotiations to make that number as high as possible, that's capitalism baby.
11 months ago
Anonymous
>it's actually the company itself that decides the ceo's salary >not the market
That is the market, you mouthbreathing moron. How are you this dumb?
11 months ago
Anonymous
the company has misrepresented the ceos worth. 5x their bonus in one year while the company's losing money. you tell me how that makes sense in any market.
fast food is a billion dollar industry you utter moron
you can replace any burger flipper with another, people like specific actors
11 months ago
Anonymous
The market is what someone is willing to pay for services you fricking moron. They could be 100 billion in debt and paying him 1 billion a year and that's still the market.
11 months ago
Anonymous
that's a single company, not the market. the strike isn't about disney specifically, it's about all studios. a single company can pay an actor or exec whatever they want, the point is to change the rules the market works pay. minimum wage, sick days, maternity pay, safety requirements; all shit that companies were not willing to provide until capitalistic negotiations forced them to. the workers also have power within the free market, a strike is one of the ways they wield it.
11 months ago
Anonymous
>that's a single company, not the market.
That's still the market you total brainlet. Do you think the CEO couldn't work anywhere else? Stop posting, you're clearly 17 and 85 IQ.
11 months ago
Anonymous
it's one part of the market, not the entire market. the people making the product don't think it's fair, and want it to change. if the companies start to lose profit because of this strike, that's the market correcting an imbalance. "things are the way they are, so they must be the right way for them to be" is not how the market works, it changes with consumer trends and opinions, technology advances, economic shifts etc.
it is in a period of change now. we'll see how it goes. maybe nothing will change, or maybe it will. either way, it will be as the market dictates. not to sound culty or whatever.
ok for real i'm leaving soon, just a few more.
11 months ago
Anonymous
>the people making the product don't think it's fair, and want it to change
The people consuming doing give a frick because they people making it are lying
11 months ago
Anonymous
Don't give a frick I mean.
11 months ago
Anonymous
>it's one part of the market, not the entire market.
You're 17.
11 months ago
Anonymous
people should be paid what they can get paid
11 months ago
Anonymous
No. You've strictly stated that actors ARE worth more. But also stated janitors are worth exactly what they're paid. You're a biased moron.
11 months ago
Anonymous
>But also stated janitors are worth exactly what they're paid
show me where i said this
>actors ARE worth more
because they are. more people are willing to pay for their labor, so their labor is worth more, that's what the word means. janitors only effect the people whose floor they clean, the average person on the street doesn't give a frick if one random office isn't as clean as usual. but if a movie series with millions of fans doesn't get the next movie they're waiting for because the lead holds out for more money? that affects those millions of fans, and the studio could lose all the money they were willing to pay.
why am i explaining the free market to you chuds? read a book.
11 months ago
Anonymous
okay we get it you're baiting us
11 months ago
Anonymous
sad thing is i'm not, i'm trying to explain basic market principles to a bunch of 12 year olds for some reason.
>so their labor is worth more
Then why aren't they getting paid more? Checkmate moron.
sorry to be the one to tell you, but actors do get paid more than janitors.
>show me where i said this >which isn't true for floors generally. >welcome to capitalism.
>more people are willing to pay for their labor
No they aren't. Otherwise they would get paid more. In this case it's netflix paying the actor. Not "people".
right, so i didn't say it. i made a general statement about the relative worth of a janitor's labor in comparison to a doctor's or an actor's. i didn't say "janitors are worth exactly what they're paid". moron.
and again, i was comparing actors to janitors, and they are paid better than janitors per hour because their labor is worth more. basic concept, what's hard to understand about it?
11 months ago
Anonymous
why won't you address this?
>the execs are being overpaid
They're not. Their work is simply worth more than the work of an actor. If the board of directors is willing to pay for a CEO's work, it is worth more than acting or doing surgery, similar to how a doctor's two hours are worth more than a janitor's two hours. Those are your exact words.
If you disagree with it you have no consistency whatsoever.
11 months ago
Anonymous
i was busy writing the post you just responded to, i'm just one guy here, give me a second jeez
11 months ago
Anonymous
>so their labor is worth more
Then why aren't they getting paid more? Checkmate moron.
11 months ago
Anonymous
>show me where i said this >which isn't true for floors generally. >welcome to capitalism.
>more people are willing to pay for their labor
No they aren't. Otherwise they would get paid more. In this case it's netflix paying the actor. Not "people".
11 months ago
Anonymous
Excellent so you have no qualms about Bob Iger earning $30M a year then, it's what the board of directors is willing to pay him for his services. Basic capitalism right?
11 months ago
Anonymous
why would i be happy with that, my whole point is that the actors are being underpaid for their value, and the execs are being overpaid. that's the whole point i'm making.
bob iger doesn't contribute as much to the products being made as the writers and actors, so he shouldn't make so much more than them. more, sure, but not that much more.
11 months ago
Anonymous
>the execs are being overpaid
They're not. Their work is simply worth more than the work of an actor. If the board of directors is willing to pay for a CEO's work, it is worth more than acting or doing surgery, similar to how a doctor's two hours are worth more than a janitor's two hours. Those are your exact words.
If you disagree with it you have no consistency whatsoever.
11 months ago
Anonymous
all of people who invest in Hollywood productions strongly believe that executives add more value than actors. no studio is willing to experiment with a broke b***h $1M CEO. not even WB or Paramount and it would literally keep them out bankruptcy.
and I know this is an appeal to authority so you dont need to concede, but youre still wrong.
11 months ago
Anonymous
>invest >strongly believe
we're talking about what consumers are willing to pay for, not what the shareholders think. i don't give a frick who the ceo of the studio is, i'm buying a ticket for the directors, actors, writers etc. i'm paying for the product, but the guy at the top is taking all the money for some reason.
11 months ago
Anonymous
and the CEO is responsible for all the stuff that you see that makes you care about the actors writers and directors. all the ads, all the latenight talk shows, all the tweets, all the youtube "reviews". all of it happens because there is a massive marketing corporation running behind the scenes. without exception, massive marketing corporations need to pay CEOs a ton of money or they will get a bad CEO and fail.
you want art? go to UC berkely. hollywood is about making money and you dont make money paying grunts.
11 months ago
Anonymous
maybe it's just me but i don't watch late night talk shows and i never watch trailers or interviews. i don't give a frick about promotional materials. i go and see a movie based on some combination of if i like who's in it, who wrote it, who directed it, the plot sounds interesting, and it gets decent reviews. and reviews are free btw, so don't try and say bob iger somehow affects them.
11 months ago
Anonymous
We're a minority
11 months ago
Anonymous
If a private company decides to pay someone so much that's totally within their right. Also good for him. I hope he enjoys his well earned money. I'd still tax him for at least half of that 30 mil.
11 months ago
Anonymous
>i'm saying that not all hours are equal.
Hey look, a fricking moron
11 months ago
Anonymous
frick off commie, a flat hourly rate for all labor is moronic and will never work
11 months ago
Anonymous
>american hours kick in
11 months ago
Anonymous
i believe there is a free to consumer model that would be more profitable than subscription or traditional adverstising. product placement. if its free people will watch. if its good and free a billion people will watch. if you have a billion people watching for free you can make apple and ford pay a billion dollars to show their logo. especially if you only sell one spot.
dont even need to risk much to try it. all of them have the tech to realease one show for free. cowards.
11 months ago
Anonymous
[...]
commie scum
[...]
nope, it's actually the company itself that decides the ceo's salary. not the consumer, not the market, just the actual company. they pay actors and writers shit, and the ceo millions. and the profits are falling. i wonder if there's a lesson here.
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it will always draw investors, the media industry isn't going to choke and die because they take a 1% hit on their profit margins.
Turn on your pass
Unless there are two identical esls here lmao
11 months ago
Anonymous
>
i believe there is a free to consumer model that would be more profitable than subscription or traditional adverstising. product placement. if its free people will watch. if its good and free a billion people will watch. if you have a billion people watching for free you can make apple and ford pay a billion dollars to show their logo. especially if you only sell one spot.
dont even need to risk much to try it. all of them have the tech to realease one show for free. cowards. >
[...]
commie scum
[...]
nope, it's actually the company itself that decides the ceo's salary. not the consumer, not the market, just the actual company. they pay actors and writers shit, and the ceo millions. and the profits are falling. i wonder if there's a lesson here.
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it will always draw investors, the media industry isn't going to choke and die because they take a 1% hit on their profit margins.(You)
i'm the bottom post not the top, no problem admitting to any of my posts but that one aint me
>if a doctor removes a tumor in two hours, should he only get paid for two hours of work?
Doctors don't only work 2 hours a day you stupid frick and she isn't a doctor she pretends for a living
but he's not paid by the hour even if it's a 10 hour surgery, he's paid for the surgery itself. in fact if he can do the surgery just as well but in less time, he should probably be paid more than someone who takes longer. pay for the outcome, not the hours. pay for the value of the scene in the show/movie, not the days of shooting.
11 months ago
Anonymous
Doctors are paid with a salary. Also someone who pretends for a living should not be compared to doctors
the doctor is salaried. you are incorrectly equating what the hospital bills for the two hours versus how much the doctor gets paid at his yearly salary divided by hours he works.
>the doctor is salaried
not always, they can also be paid for specific procedures. even then my point remains; they get paid more per hour in their salary because of the value they add to the hospital. they add value by performing the procedures. whether it's per procedure or straight salary, the two hours they work are worth more than the two hours of a janitor.
What fricking Kino?
any fricking kino, or anything that might become kino. if you ever want to see any fricking kino ever again, actors and writers need to be working.
11 months ago
Anonymous
You're a brainless c**t
11 months ago
Anonymous
you're a moron who doesn't understand the free market. if the strike fails, you're right and the actors and writers aren't worth more money. if it succeeds, i'm right and they are.
11 months ago
Anonymous
Free market is being able to earn $900 a day.
Maybe work more days
11 months ago
Anonymous
>if you ever want to see any fricking kino ever again
Empty threat
1800 for 40 hours/4 days work?
Nah. Frick that and all weak b***hes who can't grind
All you triple Black folk making excuses for weak b***h shit like making 1800 for 4 days of work isn't enough because you live in NYC
Frick you
No one gives a frick about those working class kids in bumfrick nowhere making minimum wage selling useless shit to fatmericans.
Frick you
No one gives a frick about some waitress in Arizona barely making rent
Frick you
I hope Hollywood and the industry gets nuked. No cap. Just nuke those useless paid pretenders and their like bosses.
Frick you
There's a lot more that's not being mentioned here. Iirc, the contract they sign is for 6 months of a year they have to be dedicated to the show which dries up a lot of other acting work. Which would be fine if it was a network show cause then thry'd get s lot of residuals.
Another thing was that the dhow was one of Netflux's crown israeliteels so the cast would get invited to a lot of public engagements whoch Netflux expected them to go to. And if you're an actress, the clothing, makeup and israeliteelry you're expected to wear costs a lot so they had to rent it for like 2k a night and they had to pay for it themselves because you don't want to burn bridges.
There was a lot of other shit i cant remember.
What I don’t understand is why a job you work 4 days a month at requires you to live in downtown NYC kek, just live in Jersey or a good 60 miles from NYC and your rent will be 1/4 of what it was. You drive into town on the days you have to work.
Actors don't "deserve" to make more than janitors. The only reason big actors are paid huge amounts is that they SELL ADS. It has nothing to do with some inherent quality. I agree that everyone who works deserves a living wage, but not more.
Kek meanwhile ad actors have a higher net worth. Do actors even know what their whole business is about?
https://www.celebritynetworth.com/richest-celebrities/actors/stephanie-courtney-net-worth/
>they have to be in hell A or israelite York to film shit that's all filmed in front of a green screen anyway
>green screens
tbh I would hate that so much if I were an actor. When I was younger I used to envy the actors who got paid to travel and film stuff in exotic locations but now they just stand in front of a green screen while the studio adds a CGI background of an exotic location.
Let's say that somehow studios agree to pay actors "fairly" that would balloon up costs and living expenses even higher in California. Are these people dumb
Rich people LOVE lying about how much money they actually make. Her net worth is in the low millions and according to her she "only works 4 days a month" Frick this rotten spoiled b***h.
Wait! Guys I have a great idea, what if 'we' just replace all these actors and writers with migrants, preferably "undocumented" ones. That's what they support zo dearly, isnt it?
Not my problem. These dumb morons can't manage money and expect to just get more money to compensate. There are people who slave away for 40+ hours a week, pay their rent/mortgage and still manage to save money because they aren't wasting money on stupid shit or living outside their budget. I legit hope they all become homeless in the coming months.
>$900/day
honestly even if you got that as a full-time job it's like $200k/year, which is good but not a good rate for inconsistent work like this. I guess you really have to be an A-lister to have a career in acting. It makes me wonder what all these other actors do for day jobs.
I worked with them at restaurants. Theyd ask me "are you acting too?". And I'd realize I'd probably get more (background characters/extras, all theyd ever get) roles than them because they all had a bunch of shitty tattoos and stupid hair dye. I don't understand who actors think they are or what world they are in. Kind of jarring. I know some who are actually weirdly bragging about all this right now. "Yeah...I can't work because of the strikes. Yeah that's why I have no roles right now"
>diversity
That definitely plays a part in all this.
Non-white actors are only hired to keep costs down. It makes sense that their paychecks reflect that.
Am I reading this correctly? She works 4 days a month and makes 1,800$? 1,800$ for FOUR fricking days of "work"??? And they have the balls to complain about this???
All of these actors crawling out of the woodwork to poormouth is not helping their case. I don’t care about how little you claim to have made. I care about you and all of your little butthole friends making life difficult for the conservative working class. I’m actually glad your moronic ass got paid so little. There’s this little word called “no” that you could have said before going to work at Walmart in a filthy flyover state for an equal or higher paycheck. It’s not my problem you made bad deals to take a gamble at being a star and now have regrets about living beyond your means.
Shit, I got blessed with a 4x10 shift which is "only" 16 days of work and take home $2,800. $1,800 for four days sounds like a fricking dream job... I wouldn't even know what to do with all that time.
Is this really what the Strike is about? Just for actresses to have an excuse to b***h about how much they're paid? Are we really supposed to feel sorry for them?
Based Chekhov was writing about how evil actors and the entertainment industry at large was back in the late 19th century. He has a short story about a married woman who runs away to act in a travelling troupe and she ends up getting pimped out
Literally who? No one watched the show because she was in it. If you have zero drawing power, you should be thankful to get paid above what a normal extra does. Can't remember your name? Sounds like $100/day b***h.
>poojeets
Most companies have already burned their fingers with curryBlack folk. They get east Europeans now (not rusBlack folk though, nobody is that desperate/moronic) >AI
Yeah, better learn 2prompt instead.
Here's one thing I hope more people will realize as we move forward: the "work" of an actor isn't work at all. Pretending you're someone else and wearing cool costumes with your friends is what kids do.
I used to play little make believes with my friends on the playground and we would be made fun of. Then you get into highschool and you have theatre kids who believe the embarrassment of being made fun of for still playing make believe means they're doing something REALLY awesome and important? Like? They act like Les mis characters and become revolutionaries! They stand up for the little guys! Tldr actors inflate their egos and think it's valid because people find them attractive and think this means like some sort of divine right of power.
>work more, that will fix it!
That's not how money works. Pull a fricking dollar out of your pocket and LOOK at the fricker. It says 'legal tender'. MONEY IS A THREAT FROM THE GOVERNMENT. The government 'buys' shit from the people with money. Then they TAX THE FRICK OUT THEM. Money is a ticket, a temporary device to make sure you don't go to fricking jail for not bending over backward and letting them frick you hard every fricking year. They threaten your life if you don't pay your damn taxes and they buy what they need, food, bullets, airplanes with their threats.
THAT'S HOW THIS HAS ALWAYS WORKED.
If the government wants more, they TAKE MORE and everyone else has LESS.
Pretty simple, isn't it?
Are the economic times in your moment on Earth 'good' or 'bad'? It ENTIRELY DEPENDS ON HOW MUCH AND HOW HARD THE GOVERNMENT FRICKING RAPES YOU.
Nothing else matters. You can't work harder and not getting raped to death by the people who you never question and have already given full access to you at all times. If they want you gone one day, you're fricking gone.
Free market is being able to earn $900 a day.
Maybe work more days
you're usually not allowed to work any other acting gigs while you're "shooting" with a studio. so as an actor, you only can work 4 days a month.
they can work as a waiter or whatever but as an actor, they are locked in to those 4 days in that month.
>you're usually not allowed to work any other acting gigs while you're "shooting" with a studio.
Prove it.
it's called a non-compete, you'll ignore anything i post so do your own research
Well yeah you have to get to main character status. Not everyone is good enough. You'll always have a register operator. That's what she is.
if the show does well, anyone who worked on it should get paid more, not just the main character
It's also an artistic endeavour that I people should treat as a hobby, not a dedicated career
i assume you've never paid for media, because you wouldn't pay for someone's dedicated hobby, right?
They only feed everyone
But I don't, please tell me.
a single farmer can only produce so much food. a single janitor can only sweep so many floors. but a single doctor can save many lives in a single day. an actor can create something that entertains millions, for decades. it's about scale.
also obviously the skill and learning requirement. not saying being a farmer is easy, but i'm assuming it doesn't take multiple years of high cost schooling before you're allowed to even touch an animal or harvest a crop. almost anyone can sweep a floor, these days it seems hardly anyone can act.
alright only a few more responses before i have to go
>a single farmer can only produce so much food >a single doctor can only help so many people
It's just a game of semantics to you lmao.
You won't have any more responses, they got wise
it's not semantics any more than "2 is bigger than 1" is semantics, it's just a fact. i mean, farming is complicated and now that i think about it, and actual farm owner is probably paid shit loads these days. but like a normal farm hand who's only job is to drive a tractor or shovel shit; it's a low skilled job that can easily be replaced. being a doctor takes more training and they have a more direct effect on their job. a farm hand doesn't show up, hire a new one or maybe one shipment of food is late. a doctor doesn't show up for a scheduled shift, people can die right then and there.
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Anonymous
>probably paid shit loads >running a farm is low skilled
Holy shit that anon was right, you are 17.
11 months ago
Anonymous
>after getting thoroughly btfo he compares farm hands to doctors
Dude just take the L, you're digging yourself deeper and deeper.
>a single farmer can only produce so much food. a single janitor can only sweep so many floors. but a single doctor can save many lives in a single day.
A single farmer can produce several acres of food.
A single janitor can sweep whole storeys.
A single doctor can only save a handful of people in a single day.
Whoops.
No person in his right mind unironically advocates for entertainers to be paid a livable wage.
If you want to put food on the table, frick off and go do something useful
Entertaining can be quite useful. Denying that is denying human nature. There A reason that throughout history people have been able to make a living doing that.
Guess how many people do not make rent who are not on the television and so nobody ever listens to them or reposts their shit? Frick actors. Frick them. They will never give a shit about regular jobs getting treated better. Get fricked freaks.
You earn residual if nyou have been a in a lot of episode ,the more episode the more residual ,the chart look like 1 seaon,3season, 5season,200 episode wich only shows like bone or criminal minds that run for like 10 years have.
i shouldn't have to explain this to you morons again, doctors are more skilled than farmers. Farmers pay isn't based on the market.
[...] >pay someone for the value of their work, not the time it takes. a flat rate for all work is communism, paying for value is capitalism.
Actors are being paid for their value, which is hardly anything at all because they're fricking no name talentless hacks starring in shitty shows no one likes. If it wasn't for the flat rate they'd be paid even less because they're worth less.
except they're not, CEOs are stealing the money that should be going to the actors because they're not letting the free market take its course
>doctors are more skilled than farmers
Skilled in what? Doctoring? Sure.
And farmers are more skilled in farming than doctors, so what's your point?
Oh wait, you don't have one, you ABSOLUTE FRICKING moron
>Farmers pay isn't based on the market.
I assume he thinks all money they get is from subsidies.
>pay someone for the value of their work, not the time it takes. a flat rate for all work is communism, paying for value is capitalism.
Actors are being paid for their value, which is hardly anything at all because they're fricking no name talentless hacks starring in shitty shows no one likes. If it wasn't for the flat rate they'd be paid even less because they're worth less.
She has great breasts.
proof
imagine 'working' 4 days a month and getting celebrated for it by the media and going to award shows for it. jesus christ fricking kill the elite
and she could have used them to get more than $1800 a month on onlyfans
what a moron
Let’s see then. Go on lad
>lad
homosexual
>I’m not white
Yes we know you barefoot illiterate peasant
Maybe she should idk get a second job considering she's working four days a month
That's what a lot of the people on the show did, even though thry were in basically every episode.
maybe they should have paid her more seeing as millions of people have seen her act, most of them paying subscribers
I don't think so.
she does, and so does every other actor in the industry. but i'm sure you know more about it. somehow.
learn 2 code
stop watching tv
kek way ahead of you there
why come here and talk about tv if you don't even watch it? how fricking empty is your life?
>how fricking empty is your life?
yes asshurt troon I am sure you don't spend 10 hours a day on twitter on top of screeching in every thread on here.
i've never even made a twitter account because i'm not fricking moronic. grow a personality.
>television and film
anon... please... stop...
>thread about a tv show
anon... you may be moronic...
>why come here and talk about tv if you don't even watch it? how fricking empty is your life?
>here
>to talk about tv
>implying Cinemaphile and television in general
LOL
i'm clearly posting in a board about a tv show.
"here".
to talk about tv.
moron.
you have to trolling LOL
>i'm clearly posting in a board about a tv show.
who cares? what you originally said was
>why come here and talk about tv if you don't even watch it? how fricking empty is your life?
eat shit LOL
because i'm like the joker
I'm saying she shouldn't be paid more for a trite part she has, same as tens of thousands of people with bit parts.
What are you? Her lawyer?
Being on every episode for several seasons isn't a bit part
what are you, netflix's lawyer? if millions of people are willing to spend money to view a product, the people who made that product should be able to make a single month's rent bare fricking minimum. it's called capitalism, i know you'd rather everyone work for free but that isn't how it works.
>if thousands of people see my shiny swept floors every day, I deserve residuals and being able to make 1000 dollars in a single day
no?
floors aren't art or media. not a good analogy moron.
art and media is inherently more valuable? why?
>art and media is inherently more valuable? why?
because people are willing to pay to view it, which isn't true for floors generally.
welcome to capitalism.
why do the network execs deserve to be obscenely rich? they don't even do any of the actual work.
so if what they're paying isn't enough for them to make more than they are, why should they make any more than that?
Why do people in art or media deserve to be obscenely rich?
because people are morons who kept paying for movies after they raised the price to a quarter.
They work 4 days a fricking month, get more acting jobs or maybe a real fricking job
They aren't though. Its a streaming service. Netflix has to churn things out to keep people subbing. Actually releasing a movie or series doesn't get them much more money than they would get that month anyway. That particular film or episode is just one thing they're paying their sub to watch.
if that was true, they wouldn't be posting record profits every year. they are making way more money than they're spending on shows. way, way more.
God you're dumb. Their profits are literally in decline. Their REVENUE is going up but they literally had a 16% decline in profits last year.
fair, but if their profits are in decline, why are the ceo salary and bonuses going up? why reward someone for losing money with more money?
The market. As you've so kindly stated.
What I love about this argument is that if they paid all the actors and actresses what they think they deserve there wouldn't be any extra capital left to fund their gay-trannie porn aimed at black children or any of the other nonsense. There wouldn't be some living /misc/ cartoon (picrel) getting paid to be the show-runner of "let's get whitey" or whatever that one show was. Now it would be fun to see that happen and force Netflix to make shows that appeal to a wide-range of audiences instead of only producing queer marxist agit-prop.
>b-b-but my one kernel of corn show that i like
That's probably all that would be left.
>she does, and so does every other actor in the industry. but i'm sure you know more about it. somehow.
All neets on 4chin(nel) likely think they should be awarded castles and real life waifus.
Then the business doesn’t draw investors and she doesn’t have a job.
why should they given that she was willing to work for that price
but these actors are either entitled star or hypocritical nobodies. do u have any idea how many no-name actors out there would have taken on her part for at least a season for fricking free? just to have it part of your resume and be recognizable?
I assume the distinction with shooting means they probably practice their scenes for a few days too. But yes that makes them think they're too busy and special for a real job.
Then why did she sign the contract?
Because it was that or nothing. Which is a shit position to be in. Which is why the entire profession is striking.
perhaps she should have picked another line of work that pays better
It's a multi-billion dollar industry, it should pay better.
So are most industries and nobody gives a frick about the minimum wage slaves for those places. They need to step up their game because nobody else is going to make it happen for them. They can start by not posting on the internet and organizing to beat their boss's head in with a hammer if they don't get a raise.
>Brad Pitt gets paid millions so I should too!!!!
name a entitled profession than actors
name a english you can speak
seriously tho, normal workaday actors and writers don't want to suddenly become millionaires, they just want more than they're getting. if disney agreed to their demands, it would cost less than 1% of their profit. literally less than 1% to slightly improve the lives of all of the people that actually make their shit. i think they can afford it.
Why? We don't pay fast food workers or walmart workers in profit sharing, why are the people who play make believe so special?
That's different. It's low skilled
if the fast food workers and other low skilled, poor people were getting paid enough to feel secure, they may quit and not work those jobs. keeping them poor and without benefits guarantees that those jobs stay filled.
So $900 a day sounds like a great deal!
acting requires skills that not everyone has which is why she gets paid 900 a day or about 112.5/hr.
Well she better find more roles if shes so talented!
That's an insane wage.
Remember when boomers were crying that unemployment was too high post Covid for anyone to come back to work?
People would quit because they are paid more...? Maybe I missed some part of the context.
fast food is a billion dollar industry you utter moron
It's also an artistic endeavour that I people should treat as a hobby, not a dedicated career
>assuming you work 4 days a month you get $1800
Oh poor her!
American entitlement really is something else.
If you're a NEET you can work 0 days a month and get that. We need work camps and gulags for the NEETs and welfare queens.
bro I know plumbers who make more than that doing less
She should do that job then
how do they get past 99? everytime I get paid more than that all I get is a 1up and then I'm broke again.
that actually evens out really well to be honest
lol all this transparency is doing is making me realize capitalism is even more reasonable than i thought
That should be the standard. Earning millions for being a screen clown shouldn't be legal.
I think the problem is the industry is located in super expensive cities, and if they have to commute they will get close to no sleep. It shouldn't be millions but it should be livable, for every movie star you see there are hundred of actors barely affording to live despite despite being in hit movies and tv series.
>barely affording to live
Black person she works 4 days in a month IN A MONTH
That leaves her ass 25 other days to get up and make some fricking money. She could be a part time waitress and actor and still have 3 days off a week and pay those bills
stop watching it then, if it isn't a job worth doing
Standard should be that being on one of the most popular shows means you can't afford rent? This place is infested with moronic contrarians.
Do you think 900 dollars a DAY isn't enough to afford rent? Are you fricking moronic?
We're all in this together. Mask up and stay home.
Two weeks to flatten the curve
#We'reInThisTogether
Oh, her. She was actually really cute but wasn’t a good character
I hate how weird the writing got for the raspy voice lesbian
$1,800 a month for four days of work is really good. Just get a part time job and you're set. Most people would love to be able to supplement their income so much with only 4 days of work.
If a billion dollar company can't pay you enough to make rent for a single month, it's a shit company.
yeah so get a different job LOL
the person that replaces her should also get paid more
hmm yeah they should pay me too honestly, you want some? they can pay you also i guess, lets just pay everyone
frick off commie, people should be paid for the work they do.
they are. 900 per day of shooting.
people should be paid for what their work is worth, not the amount of hours.
doctor should be paid more than farmer
lawyer should be paid more than cleaner
actor on billion dollar network with millions of viewers should be paid more than random bit part actor with no views
simple capitalism.
she is being paid more. 900 per day of shooting is not the minimum for an acting gig. LOL LOOLOLLOL
but is it worth the literal hundreds of millions her episodes made in subscriptions? if i write a song that goes platinum, do i not deserve more money than someone who writes shitty songs that no one buys?
this is communistic thinking. the free market doesn't give a frick what you "provide to society", it only cares about what people spend money on. more money spent = more worth. being on multiple episodes of one of the most viewed tv seasons of the year should equal more than fricking $1800. even if she shot every scene in a single day, she was ripped off.
are you moronic?
>people should be paid for what their work is worth
I think we're all agreeing to that, some of us just don't think actors are worth much. What do they provide to society and the world in general? I'd argue a ditch digger has a more tangible and positive impact than an actor.
I'd pay the janitors cleaning up after them and waxing their asses more
>doctor should be paid more than farmer
Interesting comparison.
Why is a farmer's work so much less important than a doctor's?
i feel like you should know this without me telling you
But I don't, please tell me.
It'd actually a very
it'd actually a very what?
i didn't see the contract, but the issue is with the industry, this is an example of something unfair, she's not suing over that specific contract. it honestly surprises me that she got paid so little for scenes millions of people paid to see. there are actors who appeared in one single episode of Friends who are receiving substantial residuals to this day for their role, like thousands of dollars every few months for work they did decades ago.
and she got a flat day rate and not a penny more. just seems weird.
>i didn't see the contract
Stop posting
you didn't see it either b***h
>No one has sympathy for these fricks
You don't, lots of people do. but they don't need sympathy, they're withholding their labor. if their labor is worth what they think it is, they'll succeed. if it isn't, they won't. getting upset about it is childish, this is capitalism in effect.
So under your rules this is now schrodinger's job contract
Provide a single source
No one cares anon. No one gives a shit.
she's not gonna frick you bro
i don't need her to frick me I have a gf she just goes to another school
Oh no, the poor wasn't signed on to make $900 a day and didn't want to work any more in another role.
That's all this is, she like you, fells anything less is beneath her so she won't work the rest of the month unless it's for $110 an hour.
No one has sympathy for these fricks. Stop making it a binary.
*poor woman
>there are actors who appeared in one single episode of Friends who are receiving substantial residuals to this day for their role, like thousands of dollars every few months for work they did decades ago.
Friends aired 30 years ago and it was the top show on broadcast tv. Industries change. Being an extra on some shit streaming show isn't the same.
Also, no is making thousands in residuals for one episode, you just made that up.
>Being an extra on some shit streaming show isn't the same.
It could be the same though, the studios have made the decision that it isn't, but it could be. if you have multiple speaking scenes in a show that draws in millions of dollars, you should get more than a flat day rate. they did in friends, they did should now.
>making thousands in residuals for one episode
i can't find the source now, it was an article interviewing "actors who appeared in one episode". i think the quote was from the guy that played chip, rachels highschool bf, it was something like he gets a "substantial" check every few months, so he can't imagine what the actual friends are making. i assumed that meant thousands but maybe not. i'll keep looking.
>i can't find the source now
How bizarre!
He was in two.
Everything you say is contradicted in the next post.
Leave already.
>you should get more than a flat day rate
why? you keep saying this, but you're not saying why, just because the episode potentially has a lot of viewers, doesn't mean she automatically deserves more pay. the job is worth what the production company offers and what the actor accepts, nothing more.
>there are actors who appeared in one single episode of Friends who are receiving substantial residuals to this day for their role, like thousands of dollars every few months
Post a single thing to back up a word you have said in this thread.
They only feed everyone
For four days of work? Naw, frick that.
Brother in christ she worked 4 days a month. Just because it's a multibillion dollar industry doesn't justify paying them more, if that was the case burger flippers at McDonalds should be driving around in lambos since they work far more hours per month than her for a very rich company
if a doctor removes a tumor in two hours, should he only get paid for two hours of work? or does he get paid what the life-saving surgery is worth? it is not about time spent, it is about outcome. you'd know this if you ever had a job.
What the frick are you even talking about? People work 40 hours a week every week with a set salary and most people don't get bonuses.
people should get paid for what their role is worth. someone working 40 hours in sales should get paid more than 40 hours in the mailroom. it's what the work is worth, not flat numbers.
but he's still paid more for those two hours. more than a janitor or cashier for their 2 hours. because his time is worth more.
i'm saying that not all hours are equal. if millions of people are willing to pay for an actor's work, it is worth more than sweeping a floor or collecting garbage. similar to how a doctor's two hours are worth more than a janitor's two hours.
guys this is basic capitalism. everyone getting paid exactly the same rate for the amount of hours they work is called communism. it isn't about how hard it is, or even how much skill or talent it takes. it's about how much money people are willing to spend on it. and a fricking lot of people paid to watch this show.
I like how you say a janitor is paid X and that's ok because that's what he's worth because that's what he's paid. Then turn around and say actors paid X but that isn't ok despite that they are also paid X.
that's not what i said, i said janitors should be paid less than doctors, not that janitors are worth what they're paid. the market dictates what people are worth.
if actors and writers aren't worth more money, this strike will fail and nothing will change. if they are worth more, the strike will succeed and they'll get more. withholding your labor is only a threat if your labor is worth something.
so you are the market?
no, the market is the market. if the big studios can make money without the writers and actors, they are free to do so. if they can't, then they need to meet the demands of the workers. basic capitalistic labor negotiation.
it might not work, and that will just prove that the actors and writers aren't worth as much as they think they are. but if it does work, it'll prove they were being underpaid for years.
you're moronic
>i said janitors should be paid less than doctors
>underpaid
You've already stated that isn't a thing. You're paid what you're worth at all times is your stated position.
not what i said, i was using the example of "hours spent as a doctor working" to "hours spent as a janitor working" to provide a very easy and obvious comparison, which you still misunderstood somehow. people should be paid for the value of their work, not the hours they spend working. do you disagree with something as basic as that?
>the market dictates what people are worth
Better luck next time kiddo.
commie scum
nope, it's actually the company itself that decides the ceo's salary. not the consumer, not the market, just the actual company. they pay actors and writers shit, and the ceo millions. and the profits are falling. i wonder if there's a lesson here.
it will always draw investors, the media industry isn't going to choke and die because they take a 1% hit on their profit margins.
how is a free market where people get paid what they can get paid commie shit unless you are 100% baiting
no fair point, i misunderstood. that's what responding to multiple people at once gets me.
you're right, people should get paid what employers are willing to pay. if it takes strikes and negotiations to make that number as high as possible, that's capitalism baby.
>it's actually the company itself that decides the ceo's salary
>not the market
That is the market, you mouthbreathing moron. How are you this dumb?
the company has misrepresented the ceos worth. 5x their bonus in one year while the company's losing money. you tell me how that makes sense in any market.
you can replace any burger flipper with another, people like specific actors
The market is what someone is willing to pay for services you fricking moron. They could be 100 billion in debt and paying him 1 billion a year and that's still the market.
that's a single company, not the market. the strike isn't about disney specifically, it's about all studios. a single company can pay an actor or exec whatever they want, the point is to change the rules the market works pay. minimum wage, sick days, maternity pay, safety requirements; all shit that companies were not willing to provide until capitalistic negotiations forced them to. the workers also have power within the free market, a strike is one of the ways they wield it.
>that's a single company, not the market.
That's still the market you total brainlet. Do you think the CEO couldn't work anywhere else? Stop posting, you're clearly 17 and 85 IQ.
it's one part of the market, not the entire market. the people making the product don't think it's fair, and want it to change. if the companies start to lose profit because of this strike, that's the market correcting an imbalance. "things are the way they are, so they must be the right way for them to be" is not how the market works, it changes with consumer trends and opinions, technology advances, economic shifts etc.
it is in a period of change now. we'll see how it goes. maybe nothing will change, or maybe it will. either way, it will be as the market dictates. not to sound culty or whatever.
ok for real i'm leaving soon, just a few more.
>the people making the product don't think it's fair, and want it to change
The people consuming doing give a frick because they people making it are lying
Don't give a frick I mean.
>it's one part of the market, not the entire market.
You're 17.
people should be paid what they can get paid
No. You've strictly stated that actors ARE worth more. But also stated janitors are worth exactly what they're paid. You're a biased moron.
>But also stated janitors are worth exactly what they're paid
show me where i said this
>actors ARE worth more
because they are. more people are willing to pay for their labor, so their labor is worth more, that's what the word means. janitors only effect the people whose floor they clean, the average person on the street doesn't give a frick if one random office isn't as clean as usual. but if a movie series with millions of fans doesn't get the next movie they're waiting for because the lead holds out for more money? that affects those millions of fans, and the studio could lose all the money they were willing to pay.
why am i explaining the free market to you chuds? read a book.
okay we get it you're baiting us
sad thing is i'm not, i'm trying to explain basic market principles to a bunch of 12 year olds for some reason.
sorry to be the one to tell you, but actors do get paid more than janitors.
right, so i didn't say it. i made a general statement about the relative worth of a janitor's labor in comparison to a doctor's or an actor's. i didn't say "janitors are worth exactly what they're paid". moron.
and again, i was comparing actors to janitors, and they are paid better than janitors per hour because their labor is worth more. basic concept, what's hard to understand about it?
why won't you address this?
i was busy writing the post you just responded to, i'm just one guy here, give me a second jeez
>so their labor is worth more
Then why aren't they getting paid more? Checkmate moron.
>show me where i said this
>which isn't true for floors generally.
>welcome to capitalism.
>more people are willing to pay for their labor
No they aren't. Otherwise they would get paid more. In this case it's netflix paying the actor. Not "people".
Excellent so you have no qualms about Bob Iger earning $30M a year then, it's what the board of directors is willing to pay him for his services. Basic capitalism right?
why would i be happy with that, my whole point is that the actors are being underpaid for their value, and the execs are being overpaid. that's the whole point i'm making.
bob iger doesn't contribute as much to the products being made as the writers and actors, so he shouldn't make so much more than them. more, sure, but not that much more.
>the execs are being overpaid
They're not. Their work is simply worth more than the work of an actor. If the board of directors is willing to pay for a CEO's work, it is worth more than acting or doing surgery, similar to how a doctor's two hours are worth more than a janitor's two hours. Those are your exact words.
If you disagree with it you have no consistency whatsoever.
all of people who invest in Hollywood productions strongly believe that executives add more value than actors. no studio is willing to experiment with a broke b***h $1M CEO. not even WB or Paramount and it would literally keep them out bankruptcy.
and I know this is an appeal to authority so you dont need to concede, but youre still wrong.
>invest
>strongly believe
we're talking about what consumers are willing to pay for, not what the shareholders think. i don't give a frick who the ceo of the studio is, i'm buying a ticket for the directors, actors, writers etc. i'm paying for the product, but the guy at the top is taking all the money for some reason.
and the CEO is responsible for all the stuff that you see that makes you care about the actors writers and directors. all the ads, all the latenight talk shows, all the tweets, all the youtube "reviews". all of it happens because there is a massive marketing corporation running behind the scenes. without exception, massive marketing corporations need to pay CEOs a ton of money or they will get a bad CEO and fail.
you want art? go to UC berkely. hollywood is about making money and you dont make money paying grunts.
maybe it's just me but i don't watch late night talk shows and i never watch trailers or interviews. i don't give a frick about promotional materials. i go and see a movie based on some combination of if i like who's in it, who wrote it, who directed it, the plot sounds interesting, and it gets decent reviews. and reviews are free btw, so don't try and say bob iger somehow affects them.
We're a minority
If a private company decides to pay someone so much that's totally within their right. Also good for him. I hope he enjoys his well earned money. I'd still tax him for at least half of that 30 mil.
>i'm saying that not all hours are equal.
Hey look, a fricking moron
frick off commie, a flat hourly rate for all labor is moronic and will never work
>american hours kick in
i believe there is a free to consumer model that would be more profitable than subscription or traditional adverstising. product placement. if its free people will watch. if its good and free a billion people will watch. if you have a billion people watching for free you can make apple and ford pay a billion dollars to show their logo. especially if you only sell one spot.
dont even need to risk much to try it. all of them have the tech to realease one show for free. cowards.
Turn on your pass
Unless there are two identical esls here lmao
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dont even need to risk much to try it. all of them have the tech to realease one show for free. cowards.
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commie scum
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nope, it's actually the company itself that decides the ceo's salary. not the consumer, not the market, just the actual company. they pay actors and writers shit, and the ceo millions. and the profits are falling. i wonder if there's a lesson here.
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it will always draw investors, the media industry isn't going to choke and die because they take a 1% hit on their profit margins.(You)
i'm the bottom post not the top, no problem admitting to any of my posts but that one aint me
Well he probably doesn’t get to go home for the day and will have to come to work the next day.
my Black person are you implying her work on Orange is the New Black is comparable to the work of a surgeon?
>if a doctor removes a tumor in two hours, should he only get paid for two hours of work?
Doctors don't only work 2 hours a day you stupid frick and she isn't a doctor she pretends for a living
but he's not paid by the hour even if it's a 10 hour surgery, he's paid for the surgery itself. in fact if he can do the surgery just as well but in less time, he should probably be paid more than someone who takes longer. pay for the outcome, not the hours. pay for the value of the scene in the show/movie, not the days of shooting.
Doctors are paid with a salary. Also someone who pretends for a living should not be compared to doctors
the doctor is salaried. you are incorrectly equating what the hospital bills for the two hours versus how much the doctor gets paid at his yearly salary divided by hours he works.
>the doctor is salaried
not always, they can also be paid for specific procedures. even then my point remains; they get paid more per hour in their salary because of the value they add to the hospital. they add value by performing the procedures. whether it's per procedure or straight salary, the two hours they work are worth more than the two hours of a janitor.
any fricking kino, or anything that might become kino. if you ever want to see any fricking kino ever again, actors and writers need to be working.
You're a brainless c**t
you're a moron who doesn't understand the free market. if the strike fails, you're right and the actors and writers aren't worth more money. if it succeeds, i'm right and they are.
Free market is being able to earn $900 a day.
Maybe work more days
>if you ever want to see any fricking kino ever again
Empty threat
>this Black person is comparing life saving surgery to writing "frick wypipeepo" in a script
If there's a demand for "frick wypeepo" then there will be a service for "frick wypeepo."
That's the most moronic bullshit someone can come up with
1800 for 40 hours/4 days work?
Nah. Frick that and all weak b***hes who can't grind
All you triple Black folk making excuses for weak b***h shit like making 1800 for 4 days of work isn't enough because you live in NYC
Frick you
No one gives a frick about those working class kids in bumfrick nowhere making minimum wage selling useless shit to fatmericans.
Frick you
No one gives a frick about some waitress in Arizona barely making rent
Frick you
I hope Hollywood and the industry gets nuked. No cap. Just nuke those useless paid pretenders and their like bosses.
Frick you
There's a lot more that's not being mentioned here. Iirc, the contract they sign is for 6 months of a year they have to be dedicated to the show which dries up a lot of other acting work. Which would be fine if it was a network show cause then thry'd get s lot of residuals.
Another thing was that the dhow was one of Netflux's crown israeliteels so the cast would get invited to a lot of public engagements whoch Netflux expected them to go to. And if you're an actress, the clothing, makeup and israeliteelry you're expected to wear costs a lot so they had to rent it for like 2k a night and they had to pay for it themselves because you don't want to burn bridges.
There was a lot of other shit i cant remember.
sounds like a bad job, i'd probably go get another job
Oh no, burning bridges for a show where she "only" makes $1800. What a shame.
Burning bridges with Netflix and getting known in the industry as someone that won't play ball.
What I don’t understand is why a job you work 4 days a month at requires you to live in downtown NYC kek, just live in Jersey or a good 60 miles from NYC and your rent will be 1/4 of what it was. You drive into town on the days you have to work.
It's literally the "hustle and bustle" meme
I got an idea. Why don’t you make a company, and hire me. I’ll mop your floor 4 times a month and you’ll pay key entire rent for it. Deal?
>So take away the taxes I voted for
XD
Actors don't "deserve" to make more than janitors. The only reason big actors are paid huge amounts is that they SELL ADS. It has nothing to do with some inherent quality. I agree that everyone who works deserves a living wage, but not more.
Kek meanwhile ad actors have a higher net worth. Do actors even know what their whole business is about?
https://www.celebritynetworth.com/richest-celebrities/actors/stephanie-courtney-net-worth/
b***h I make 500$ a month in the deep south and I live just fine. Maybe you should move. You'd be living great here for 1800$ a month.
>every actor moves to your shithole town
>no more actors in la or new york
>no more kino
>they have to be in hell A or israelite York to film shit that's all filmed in front of a green screen anyway
yeah for some reason the networks tell them they do, that's where they film everything. not the actor's choice, ever.
>green screens
tbh I would hate that so much if I were an actor. When I was younger I used to envy the actors who got paid to travel and film stuff in exotic locations but now they just stand in front of a green screen while the studio adds a CGI background of an exotic location.
What fricking Kino?
>no more kino
name 3 recent streaming kinos, i dare you
Let's say that somehow studios agree to pay actors "fairly" that would balloon up costs and living expenses even higher in California. Are these people dumb
Rich people LOVE lying about how much money they actually make. Her net worth is in the low millions and according to her she "only works 4 days a month" Frick this rotten spoiled b***h.
>Rich people LOVE lying about how much money they actually make
bingo
She should start an onlyfans and make 1800 a day.
>I DESERVE TWO MANSIONS!!!!
>are you sure this will help the labor movement?
does she know poor people exist?
>mfw the next woke remake and groomer tv show get cancelled
The Greeks and Romans had it right. Actors are the scum of the earth.
Wait! Guys I have a great idea, what if 'we' just replace all these actors and writers with migrants, preferably "undocumented" ones. That's what they support zo dearly, isnt it?
These people don't even WANT these jobs! They would go unfilled if it wasn't for migrants!
I'm in front of Home Depot offering beaners $200 for a capeshit script as we speak.
Not my problem. These dumb morons can't manage money and expect to just get more money to compensate. There are people who slave away for 40+ hours a week, pay their rent/mortgage and still manage to save money because they aren't wasting money on stupid shit or living outside their budget. I legit hope they all become homeless in the coming months.
>i make more money delivering food than hollywood prostitutes make for a role after sucking israeli wiener for it
>we don't make $900/day
>$900 per day of shooting
>$900/day
honestly even if you got that as a full-time job it's like $200k/year, which is good but not a good rate for inconsistent work like this. I guess you really have to be an A-lister to have a career in acting. It makes me wonder what all these other actors do for day jobs.
you don’t have to wonder. go to LA and everyone in the service industry is an actor.
I could easily retire after 2-3 years with $200k/y even in a first world country.
I worked with them at restaurants. Theyd ask me "are you acting too?". And I'd realize I'd probably get more (background characters/extras, all theyd ever get) roles than them because they all had a bunch of shitty tattoos and stupid hair dye. I don't understand who actors think they are or what world they are in. Kind of jarring. I know some who are actually weirdly bragging about all this right now. "Yeah...I can't work because of the strikes. Yeah that's why I have no roles right now"
is she even claiming she’s underpaid? It just sounds like she’s saying as a working actress she’s not exactly living large
Don't expect the morons on here to get that.
Autism or just trolling? She's clearly complaining about it.
So apparently I'm supposed to feel "solidarity" with an affirmative action c**t who makes more in 4 days than I do in a month
well that's what you get when you force people to hire you for diversity
>diversity
That definitely plays a part in all this.
Non-white actors are only hired to keep costs down. It makes sense that their paychecks reflect that.
You're moronic if you think she's telling the truth about her pay in OITNB. Her networth is in the low millions.
You know those networth things are all bullshit, right?
https://www.apumone.com/dave-smith-comedian-net-worth/?amp
Learn to code.
Am I reading this correctly? She works 4 days a month and makes 1,800$? 1,800$ for FOUR fricking days of "work"??? And they have the balls to complain about this???
And that's after taxes and shit
You also know she gave the most lowball example possible. Like that was the worst month of being part of that production.
>what do you mean I can't make ends meet by working four days a month?
These people would crumble into ash if they had to work a real job for one week.
Ash can be made into something
These cheese dicks are the dandruff of humanity, fit to only be bug food
All of these actors crawling out of the woodwork to poormouth is not helping their case. I don’t care about how little you claim to have made. I care about you and all of your little butthole friends making life difficult for the conservative working class. I’m actually glad your moronic ass got paid so little. There’s this little word called “no” that you could have said before going to work at Walmart in a filthy flyover state for an equal or higher paycheck. It’s not my problem you made bad deals to take a gamble at being a star and now have regrets about living beyond your means.
Shit, I got blessed with a 4x10 shift which is "only" 16 days of work and take home $2,800. $1,800 for four days sounds like a fricking dream job... I wouldn't even know what to do with all that time.
At least we all now know why they have so much free time to post their brain-dead hot takes on Twitter.
Is this really what the Strike is about? Just for actresses to have an excuse to b***h about how much they're paid? Are we really supposed to feel sorry for them?
>""works"" (acts) literally one day per week on average for $1800/month
>complains about it
Actors really should just be treated like prostitutes
Based Chekhov was writing about how evil actors and the entertainment industry at large was back in the late 19th century. He has a short story about a married woman who runs away to act in a travelling troupe and she ends up getting pimped out
Literally who? No one watched the show because she was in it. If you have zero drawing power, you should be thankful to get paid above what a normal extra does. Can't remember your name? Sounds like $100/day b***h.
>four days a month
>a months work
????????????
>working 4 days a month
Jesus christ
There are roughly 30 days in a month. Why doesn't she get a second job for the 26 days she's not working? I've heard coding is a big thing now.
>learn2code
I can't wait for you tech Black folk to be replaced entirely by poojeets and AI. Have fun at your """scrum meeting"""
>poojeets
Most companies have already burned their fingers with curryBlack folk. They get east Europeans now (not rusBlack folk though, nobody is that desperate/moronic)
>AI
Yeah, better learn 2prompt instead.
Here's one thing I hope more people will realize as we move forward: the "work" of an actor isn't work at all. Pretending you're someone else and wearing cool costumes with your friends is what kids do.
I used to play little make believes with my friends on the playground and we would be made fun of. Then you get into highschool and you have theatre kids who believe the embarrassment of being made fun of for still playing make believe means they're doing something REALLY awesome and important? Like? They act like Les mis characters and become revolutionaries! They stand up for the little guys! Tldr actors inflate their egos and think it's valid because people find them attractive and think this means like some sort of divine right of power.
>$1800 a month
>work 2 days every 2 weeks
woman math
so what's stopping her from working the other 26 days a month?
>work more, that will fix it!
That's not how money works. Pull a fricking dollar out of your pocket and LOOK at the fricker. It says 'legal tender'. MONEY IS A THREAT FROM THE GOVERNMENT. The government 'buys' shit from the people with money. Then they TAX THE FRICK OUT THEM. Money is a ticket, a temporary device to make sure you don't go to fricking jail for not bending over backward and letting them frick you hard every fricking year. They threaten your life if you don't pay your damn taxes and they buy what they need, food, bullets, airplanes with their threats.
THAT'S HOW THIS HAS ALWAYS WORKED.
If the government wants more, they TAKE MORE and everyone else has LESS.
Pretty simple, isn't it?
Are the economic times in your moment on Earth 'good' or 'bad'? It ENTIRELY DEPENDS ON HOW MUCH AND HOW HARD THE GOVERNMENT FRICKING RAPES YOU.
Nothing else matters. You can't work harder and not getting raped to death by the people who you never question and have already given full access to you at all times. If they want you gone one day, you're fricking gone.
Hey moron. That's why you have to work more. Because of how fricked everything is. People aren't stupid.
Laziness.
>ITT: a mouthbreathing smartass tries to synthetize the concept of value from Marx and from Adam Smith and fails because he doesn't understand either
It's fricking hurting my brain
Women whine and cry and protest so they don’t have to be housewife’s and want to work
All so they can work 4 days a month, that’s a fricking hobby not a job
They are stupider the animals with ZERO survival instincts
Why is this only being talked about now? OitnB was Netflix's poster child for years.
That’s not $1800 net pay for a month’s work. It’s $1800 net pay for four days work. Women are bad at math.
Streaming deals in general are shit.
Is eric roberts into the strike?
i only came into this thread to see pictures of her, i am disappointed
It's simply not my problem
> Why do I have to pay taxes like the rest of you? I'm an artist! Waugh!
Hope they all starve.
How much by the hour?
>take away taxes and commission
This isn't how people discuss wages
>WE ONLY MADE MONEY WHEN WE WERE ACTUALLY WORKING WAAAAAAAAAAAAAH
>working 4 days a month doesn't make rent
try working some of the other 24+ days in the month, then
These people are fricking delusional and are actively destroying sympathy for themselves by ossificating their pay
learn to code?
delivery driver gig?
>now they're exposing their actual salary they're trying to hide behind net after tax
Up next, they move to a rural area for remote work and try to get the local confederate memorials removed and the public nativity scenes banned.
>$1800 for four days
I'm supposed to sympathize?
Yes because she legally is not allowed to work for anyone else due to contacts during that time.
Prove it.
Why? U say it won't count anywah
Prove it.
Can’t do other acting roles, maybe (that’s still a maybe). She can easily get a non-acting job.
It's actually 3.2k for four days
3.6 I mean
Sounds like she needed a second job like a lot of people.
>$27 in residuals
Per episode? Per year? Total? What are you talking about?
I think per quarter?
>taxes and other shit takes half your money
>but everything else is the issue
Until actors stop being moronic leftoids, that's all they deserve. Its still too much if you ask me.
Learn to code
That's what you were all saying a few years ago when blue collar workers and tradesmen were nervous about their jobs
>assuming you work 4 days a month
>for a months work
How absolutely insane and out of touch do you have to be to post that
you're usually not allowed to work any other acting gigs while you're "shooting" with a studio. so as an actor, you only can work 4 days a month.
they can work as a waiter or whatever but as an actor, they are locked in to those 4 days in that month.
Source: my ass
it's called a non-compete, you'll ignore anything i post so do your own research
if the show does well, anyone who worked on it should get paid more, not just the main character
i assume you've never paid for media, because you wouldn't pay for someone's dedicated hobby, right?
a single farmer can only produce so much food. a single janitor can only sweep so many floors. but a single doctor can save many lives in a single day. an actor can create something that entertains millions, for decades. it's about scale.
also obviously the skill and learning requirement. not saying being a farmer is easy, but i'm assuming it doesn't take multiple years of high cost schooling before you're allowed to even touch an animal or harvest a crop. almost anyone can sweep a floor, these days it seems hardly anyone can act.
alright only a few more responses before i have to go
And where has she signed this contract anon?
Why? A fry cook doesn't get more more wages and residuals for his chains success.
Actors are useless
>a single farmer can only produce so much food
>a single doctor can only help so many people
It's just a game of semantics to you lmao.
You won't have any more responses, they got wise
it's not semantics any more than "2 is bigger than 1" is semantics, it's just a fact. i mean, farming is complicated and now that i think about it, and actual farm owner is probably paid shit loads these days. but like a normal farm hand who's only job is to drive a tractor or shovel shit; it's a low skilled job that can easily be replaced. being a doctor takes more training and they have a more direct effect on their job. a farm hand doesn't show up, hire a new one or maybe one shipment of food is late. a doctor doesn't show up for a scheduled shift, people can die right then and there.
>probably paid shit loads
>running a farm is low skilled
Holy shit that anon was right, you are 17.
>after getting thoroughly btfo he compares farm hands to doctors
Dude just take the L, you're digging yourself deeper and deeper.
>a single farmer can only produce so much food. a single janitor can only sweep so many floors. but a single doctor can save many lives in a single day.
A single farmer can produce several acres of food.
A single janitor can sweep whole storeys.
A single doctor can only save a handful of people in a single day.
Whoops.
Living is more important than eating and bring clean
Well yeah you have to get to main character status. Not everyone is good enough. You'll always have a register operator. That's what she is.
>you're usually not allowed to work any other acting gigs while you're "shooting" with a studio.
Prove it.
why
Because you're just making shit up, Black person.
prove it
maybe work more than 4 days a month?
maybe don't live in nyc if you only work there for 4 days a month and just travel there when you're working?
Man I wish I could work 4 days for 1800.
3600
Don't live in NYC if you can't afford to live in NYC? Genius concept, I know.
>Women are such shit at making deals.
Lets me how much you earn, Big Money.
I bet you're a low income b***h.
Ywnbaw
No person in his right mind unironically advocates for entertainers to be paid a livable wage.
If you want to put food on the table, frick off and go do something useful
Entertaining can be quite useful. Denying that is denying human nature. There A reason that throughout history people have been able to make a living doing that.
learn to code
You guys are really frickin' cynical
First day eh. Leave while you can.
This shit is literally just WE ARE THE 99% but this time they are trying to make it like actors that make millions are part of the 99%?
lmao
I don't even remember a japanese girl, was she in the first season?
>you live in new york city
And there's your problem.
I don't think you can make it as an actor living in Utica
fricking live in jersey
>requires a flight to the UK then to the US
moron
haha
Please tell me people are giving her shit on twitter. We can't be the vocal minority again
Guess how many people do not make rent who are not on the television and so nobody ever listens to them or reposts their shit? Frick actors. Frick them. They will never give a shit about regular jobs getting treated better. Get fricked freaks.
exposure on an international scale is incredibly valuable and a huge part of the compensation
Regulars aren't paid per diem, is she just lying here?
Netflix is different?
>$4,520p per week
these narcissistic fricks are overpaid. the companies should strike to fricking ban the SAG
This is as of 2023, not when that was filmed
i don't give a shit
That's $450 for 4 days of work. Why the frick is she complaining?
Read again, it's $3,600
each day for*
900 a day, she gave her pay after taxes and commisions because she's a slimy little asiatic
You earn residual if nyou have been a in a lot of episode ,the more episode the more residual ,the chart look like 1 seaon,3season, 5season,200 episode wich only shows like bone or criminal minds that run for like 10 years have.
OITNB was a flash in the pan, shit show.
You said she can't work anymore days. Don't lie.
>should be paid what it's worth
But not farmers Lmao
See you later ESL cuck. Enjoy knowing you're externally moronic.
>See you later ESL cuck.
>Enjoy knowing you're externally moronic.
Oh, the irony!
He is though. Also internally.
i shouldn't have to explain this to you morons again, doctors are more skilled than farmers. Farmers pay isn't based on the market.
except they're not, CEOs are stealing the money that should be going to the actors because they're not letting the free market take its course
CEOs are more skilled than actors
we'll see about that when this strike ends and actors end up getting paid more, which will mean I am correct
yes because they haven't had a strike to get a correct income, only once there is a strike it becomes based on the market you idiot
>Farmers pay isn't based on the market.
>doctors are more skilled than farmers
Skilled in what? Doctoring? Sure.
And farmers are more skilled in farming than doctors, so what's your point?
Oh wait, you don't have one, you ABSOLUTE FRICKING moron
I assume he thinks all money they get is from subsidies.
i don't think you know what the free market means. it's literally free now and they're trying to make it less free.
This could be the most moronic threads of all times
>pay someone for the value of their work, not the time it takes. a flat rate for all work is communism, paying for value is capitalism.
Actors are being paid for their value, which is hardly anything at all because they're fricking no name talentless hacks starring in shitty shows no one likes. If it wasn't for the flat rate they'd be paid even less because they're worth less.
the amount of pro-strike people on this board disgusts me and i genuinely believe there are hollywood shills on here trying to sway opinion