It's really hard to say because there's been so much bad shit especially since Schism. Like I said Casey's run was almost unreadable garbage because he was legitimately drugged out of his mind during it but not in a good or creative way, he just half-assed things because he was doing the comic so he'd have more money for drugs. Fricker killed off Banshee in a shitty story and thought what a superhero team really needed was Stacy X, the mutant prostitute whose power was giving people orgasms when she touched them... also scaley skin for some reason. He may have been the one who started the Angel/Husk thing too, can't remember if that was him or Austen.
Aaron's WatXM is one of the absolute worst X-Men comics ever published, especially because this was the MAIN comic (or one of the main ones) for years. If you hated his Avengers run, WatXM is pretty much that minus the "what if character was other character" shit... but he did completely ruin Husk as a character.
I really have a tough time deciding between Battle of the Atom or Last Will and Testament as the worst (main) X-Men story I've ever read. Battle of the Atom is complete nonsense from start to finish that's so bad even Bendis openly hated on it in the very pages of the fricking story (the store was pretty much the idea of Aaron and the X-Men editor at the time... a certain Nick Lowe).
Last Will and Testament was a tie-in for the crossover Original Sin that went way longer than the story it was tying into because Bendis was clearly making it up as he went. The story (again, a tie-in for a summer event) wound up lasting nearly a year only for the ending to be the bad guy getting erased from history meaning the entire fricking story never actually happened and retconned itself. Just utterly pointless.
It's a pretty viable opinion and better than the usual choices a lot of which are often just grievances about the author for their other works dude was wiping his ass with the series once he found out about Hickman,
Austen simultaneously wrote one of the best Nightcrawler takes ever as well as one of the stupidest stories ever involving Nightcrawler. It's hit or miss. Still better than Hickman and Morrison's X-runs but that's not exactly hard.
It's pretty bad but it's definitely not the worst run ever. It did get worse as it went though. People overrate the Draco as the worst X-Men story ever when there's worse stuff in that same run (Polaris going crazy, Holy War, She Lies with Angels). There's decent stuff in the earlier parts of the run (the Juggernaut stuff and the issue where Northstar joins) and his follow up run on Adjectiveless is just kind of dull rather than offensively bad.
Joe Casey's run right before it was way worse as were Claremont's two return runs and I'd rather read Austen than the shitshow the X-Men have been since Schism. It's been 13 years of pretty much completely unreadable garbage. Austen's worst almost looks quaint compared to the unmitigated dog shit that is Krakoa, Battle of the Atom, or Last Will and Testament of Charles Xavier.
Anyone who says they'd take Austen's X-Men over Gillen's Uncanny of HiX-Men is not worth listening to. Hell, I'd rather read Bendis' X-Men over Austen's.
>Honestly Bendis' X-Men is inoffensive for the most part, >normalizes the X-Men as outlaws 'rescuing' mutant teens from their human families >triples down on the militancy, paranoia and us against them narrative of the books >convinces readers that America has ALWAYS had Sentinel patrols to kill new mutants like in the opening arc of Ultimate X-Men >Along with AvX, starts the idea of the Avengers as 'cops' trying to stop the X-Men >Character assassination of Beast and most of the teen O5. >Gay Iceman >Doubles down on the insane direction the books had already been taking Cyclops in, while positioning him as the hero of the story >The actual stories are meandering nonsense that take forever to go nowhere
At a time when X-Men badly needed to change direction and try to get back to normal, Bendis doubled down on everything they'd been doing wrong and just kept going. People understandably like the Magik costume, but the run itself was awful.
The entire deal is he looks like that but is just a dude. It’s the whole point of the character. It’s hard to think of a bigger example of missing the point
Of course I see this post ONE MINUTE after putting the book on the mutants-as-minority metaphor back in the book return slot. (Campus library, we have weird books here). It dedicates a giant chapter just to shitting on his run, not even bothering to name the other X-Books of the 2000s era never mind analyze them- save like, seven pages about House of M. No mention of Ultimate or New X-Men or Academy X or the New Mutants or anything. It’s hilarious. And I shoulda taken frickin pictures. I’d go back but I don’t wanna get banned because I’m already here past closing time.
He had some good moments but also some really really dire shit. Also, I'll defend the Draco if only because it came immediately after Sacred Vows, which had Austen do his damnest to irrevocably destroy Polaris to prop up Nurse Annie and her mind rapist son, who basically brainwashed Havok into abandoning Lorna at the altar and getting everyone to beat the shit out of Lorna when she called Annie and her son out on pulling a Purple Man and mindraping Alex to be her lover.
After reading that dogshit, the Draco was romper room.
That's not really how it played out, Austen follows on from Morrison in just writing Lorna as unhinged, when Havok comes out of his coma she just tells him they're getting married and everyone railroads him into going along with it and he doesn't get a chance to say he doesn't really want to until they're at the altar. Then she goes nuts and tries to kill him.
It's still a stupid story. IIRC the part with Annie's son was he had mental powers that mind linked her with Alex while she was dreaming, and they fell in love in their dreams before they'd met for real.
It’s only bad relative to what we had then. Far from the worst period relative to the garbage that came afterwards.
>Far from the worst period relative to the garbage that came afterwards.
who is the worst x-men writer? worst x-men story?
It's really hard to say because there's been so much bad shit especially since Schism. Like I said Casey's run was almost unreadable garbage because he was legitimately drugged out of his mind during it but not in a good or creative way, he just half-assed things because he was doing the comic so he'd have more money for drugs. Fricker killed off Banshee in a shitty story and thought what a superhero team really needed was Stacy X, the mutant prostitute whose power was giving people orgasms when she touched them... also scaley skin for some reason. He may have been the one who started the Angel/Husk thing too, can't remember if that was him or Austen.
Aaron's WatXM is one of the absolute worst X-Men comics ever published, especially because this was the MAIN comic (or one of the main ones) for years. If you hated his Avengers run, WatXM is pretty much that minus the "what if character was other character" shit... but he did completely ruin Husk as a character.
I really have a tough time deciding between Battle of the Atom or Last Will and Testament as the worst (main) X-Men story I've ever read. Battle of the Atom is complete nonsense from start to finish that's so bad even Bendis openly hated on it in the very pages of the fricking story (the store was pretty much the idea of Aaron and the X-Men editor at the time... a certain Nick Lowe).
Last Will and Testament was a tie-in for the crossover Original Sin that went way longer than the story it was tying into because Bendis was clearly making it up as he went. The story (again, a tie-in for a summer event) wound up lasting nearly a year only for the ending to be the bad guy getting erased from history meaning the entire fricking story never actually happened and retconned itself. Just utterly pointless.
Counting only main titles like Uncanny and Adjectiveless it's Rosenberg hands down
Nice meme opinion to fit in anon here’s some Cinemaphile gold
It's a pretty viable opinion and better than the usual choices a lot of which are often just grievances about the author for their other works dude was wiping his ass with the series once he found out about Hickman,
>m-m-my opinion is heckin valid!
Nah Rosenberg has never written a good comic but don’t be absurd. His “run” might as well have been a mini
Man you sound like a real homosexual
Alan Davis' work on both X-Men titles ranks pretty high for me. I think he's a great penciller and co-author but both his output suffered.
There are some pretty bad stuff. The saving grace is Juggernaut. Crazy that Juggs is at his best when written by Austen of all people.
Yes.
Austen simultaneously wrote one of the best Nightcrawler takes ever as well as one of the stupidest stories ever involving Nightcrawler. It's hit or miss. Still better than Hickman and Morrison's X-runs but that's not exactly hard.
>as well as one of the stupidest stories ever involving Nightcrawler.
Take a moment to think about how modern X-Men treated that as a challenge.
I mean, it was emphatically not good except for the stuff with Juggernaut. That was good. The rest was mid at best and dumb at worst.
But nowadays you've got the Krakoa era shit, which makes Chuck Austen's mediocrity endearing.
It's pretty bad but it's definitely not the worst run ever. It did get worse as it went though. People overrate the Draco as the worst X-Men story ever when there's worse stuff in that same run (Polaris going crazy, Holy War, She Lies with Angels). There's decent stuff in the earlier parts of the run (the Juggernaut stuff and the issue where Northstar joins) and his follow up run on Adjectiveless is just kind of dull rather than offensively bad.
Joe Casey's run right before it was way worse as were Claremont's two return runs and I'd rather read Austen than the shitshow the X-Men have been since Schism. It's been 13 years of pretty much completely unreadable garbage. Austen's worst almost looks quaint compared to the unmitigated dog shit that is Krakoa, Battle of the Atom, or Last Will and Testament of Charles Xavier.
Anyone who says they'd take Austen's X-Men over Gillen's Uncanny of HiX-Men is not worth listening to. Hell, I'd rather read Bendis' X-Men over Austen's.
Anon frick you. There hasn’t been an x-men comic worth reading in the better part of a decade. You hick-men dweebs are the fricking worst.
Honestly Bendis' X-Men is inoffensive for the most part, it just wastes all the hype Cyclops had received from the fallout of AvX though
>Honestly Bendis' X-Men is inoffensive for the most part,
>normalizes the X-Men as outlaws 'rescuing' mutant teens from their human families
>triples down on the militancy, paranoia and us against them narrative of the books
>convinces readers that America has ALWAYS had Sentinel patrols to kill new mutants like in the opening arc of Ultimate X-Men
>Along with AvX, starts the idea of the Avengers as 'cops' trying to stop the X-Men
>Character assassination of Beast and most of the teen O5.
>Gay Iceman
>Doubles down on the insane direction the books had already been taking Cyclops in, while positioning him as the hero of the story
>The actual stories are meandering nonsense that take forever to go nowhere
At a time when X-Men badly needed to change direction and try to get back to normal, Bendis doubled down on everything they'd been doing wrong and just kept going. People understandably like the Magik costume, but the run itself was awful.
Beast's been assasinated since Brubaker
The entire deal is he looks like that but is just a dude. It’s the whole point of the character. It’s hard to think of a bigger example of missing the point
The draco you say?
He is better than Morrison, Hickman, Gillen, Ewing, Fraction, all the women, gays, browns and black writers that have had books since him too.
Of course I see this post ONE MINUTE after putting the book on the mutants-as-minority metaphor back in the book return slot. (Campus library, we have weird books here). It dedicates a giant chapter just to shitting on his run, not even bothering to name the other X-Books of the 2000s era never mind analyze them- save like, seven pages about House of M. No mention of Ultimate or New X-Men or Academy X or the New Mutants or anything. It’s hilarious. And I shoulda taken frickin pictures. I’d go back but I don’t wanna get banned because I’m already here past closing time.
it filtered millions
I liked Azazel and Angel's healing blood, that's it
It was bad. But the good kind of bad.
He had some good moments but also some really really dire shit. Also, I'll defend the Draco if only because it came immediately after Sacred Vows, which had Austen do his damnest to irrevocably destroy Polaris to prop up Nurse Annie and her mind rapist son, who basically brainwashed Havok into abandoning Lorna at the altar and getting everyone to beat the shit out of Lorna when she called Annie and her son out on pulling a Purple Man and mindraping Alex to be her lover.
After reading that dogshit, the Draco was romper room.
That's not really how it played out, Austen follows on from Morrison in just writing Lorna as unhinged, when Havok comes out of his coma she just tells him they're getting married and everyone railroads him into going along with it and he doesn't get a chance to say he doesn't really want to until they're at the altar. Then she goes nuts and tries to kill him.
It's still a stupid story. IIRC the part with Annie's son was he had mental powers that mind linked her with Alex while she was dreaming, and they fell in love in their dreams before they'd met for real.