>"They don’t like him for the same reason that DC doesn’t like Guy Gardner and fans like the Punisher for the same reason they like Guy Gardner," noting that "There’s very few superheroes that have blue collar origins" and are "average guys driven to extremes."
>Dixon insisted, "The main reason they wanted to get rid of the Punisher is because they hated the Punisher and they hate you for liking it. It’s that simple."
>He compared the Punisher to how many Americans embraced working-class World War II veteran Archie Bunker in classic sitcom "All in the Family." Dixon noted that while the head of the Bunker household was created to be the "butt of all the jokes" and portrayed as a politically incorrect father complaining about America’s decline and believing in "unfortunate stereotypes", he ultimately became a fan favorite of people across the country because, unlike bigoted Hollywood caricatures of Southerners, the blue-collar New Yorker seemed like a real person people related to.
>He compared the Punisher to how many Americans embraced working-class World War II veteran Archie Bunker in classic sitcom "All in the Family." Dixon noted that while the head of the Bunker household was created to be the "butt of all the jokes" and portrayed as a politically incorrect father complaining about America’s decline and believing in "unfortunate stereotypes", he ultimately became a fan favorite of people across the country because, unlike bigoted Hollywood caricatures of Southerners, the blue-collar New Yorker seemed like a real person people related to.
>https://www.foxnews.com/media/former-punisher-writer-claims-marvel-hates-embarrassed-character-loved-cops-military
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>"I'm certain that the writers were horrified that the American television audience took to this guy," he noted, even as they continued making a profit off of his popularity.
>By contrast, he suggested that as Marvel in recent years has been far more willing to ditch large portions of its audience, claiming that when "new people took over at Marvel and they were just really, really just embarrassed about everything about the Punisher, particularly his audience. They didn’t like the Punisher, and they didn’t like the people who liked the Punisher."
>The last straw, however, he clamed, was when "our military and police began using the Punisher skull symbol on uniforms" noting it had been famously seen "on the sides of armored personnel carriers and Bradly fighting machines in Iraq" to the point that many ended up seeing the Punisher skull logo on an armored vehicle or police uniform long before they knew it came from a Marvel Comics character.
>He then suggested the thought process of Marvel leadership, "We’re going to take the Punisher, and we’re going to mangle him, and we’re going to destroy him. We’re going to do what no other entertainment company ever has done. We are going to purposely take one of our intellectual properties and tear it to the ground."
There's another avenue to this. Punisher is a rare example of a character that has a brand its creators cannot narratively control. Marvel and by extension Disney cannot direct the narrative of the character at all any more. Cancelling the Punisher won't do it and neither will sanitizing him. The idea of what he represents is too counter intuitive to what Disney wants a super hero to be and has taken on a life of its own that is far too rooted into the subset of people it appeals to. That skull is never going to go away, even if Disney zeroed the character the Punisher Skull would still exist and propagate without the character. It's the same thing with the Batman or Superman crests but to a lesser extent because DC at least has SOME narrative control over what those things still represent.
>We’re going to do what no other entertainment company ever has done. We are going to purposely take one of our intellectual properties and tear it to the ground."
Dixon's right about what's happened, but this is far from the only time Marvel or DC have taken one of their intellectual properties and tried to absolutely destroy it. Not just killing a character, (anyone can bounce back from that so long as someone wants to bring you back) but ruining them on a conceptual level, ruining fan perception of them, and salting the Earth for further stories. It just usually happens because some writer or editor has a hateboner for that character and enough pull to get away with it, the difference here is that it's happened for socio-political reasons because Frank has the wrong kind of fans and Marvel don't want to be seen as producing things THOSE PEOPLE like.
It's absolutely comical how media companies think they have a say in how or which audiences take to their products and when they don't get the one they want they just rage quit.
It's absolutely comical how media consumers think they have a say in how companies make their products and when they don't get the one they want they just rage quit.
Seethe harder that people you hate like a character you hate Marvel intern.
And they cry like b***hes because the owners of the toy took it away.
>Talking to himself
I accept your concession.
>...and we’re going to mangle him, and we’re going to destroy him.
>We’re going to do what no other entertainment company ever has done.
>what no other entertainment company ever has done.
what no other entertainment company ever has done.
>what no other entertainment company ever has done.
what no other entertainment company ever has done.
>what no other entertainment company ever has done.
what no other entertainment company ever has done.
>what no other entertainment company ever has done.
Guy had his own ongoing in the 90s and then headlined Red Lanterns. DC absolutely loved him more than John Stewart who Didio was going to kill off before the writer ragequit the book.
DiDio was going to kill off John Stewart? It would have saved everyone so much trouble.
Not really, synergy would've brought him back for the 2000's.
I wonder how long it will take for Marvel to bring the character back just to make idiots think they are "no longer sjw" just to barely use him again
Cops don't like the Punisher, they like Bradley Cooper in American Sniper who wore a Punisher hat.
I see police officers use Punisher logo on the uniforms and on the police cars without a hint of irony especially about the fact that doesn't want to be a role model to cops in the comics.
my brother in christ, what the frick are you talking about?
MY HEROES
Don't care. No writer's opinions matter on Frank but Ennis. He's the be-all end-all for Punisher, no one else writes Frank like they should.
>No writer's opinions matter on Frank but Ennis.
Ennis was influenced by Dixon's Frank, though.
Post Ennis quoting Dixon as a major influence.
Someone has it, it was in one of the text intros Ennis did where he talked about going to a UK con and seeing a panel where writers he didn't care for were arguing with Carl Potts over Punisher
>No writer's opinions matter on Frank but Ennis. He's the be-all end-all for Punisher, no one else writes Frank like they should.
t. pleb
Nobody tell her that there would be no Ennisher without Dixon’s War Journal.
Ennis’ Punisher run is overrated by people who hate that Frank is associated with capes despite the character being a tongue in cheek take on mid-80s vigilante movies. Literal the only time his run was any good is when Barracuda shows up. Anyway the War Journal is the best rendition of Frank.
but the best part of Ennis's run is The Slavers
I agree, much to my own chagrin.
Ennis has never written a good comic book.
Every character he writes is in a perpetual state of roid rage and massively overreacts to every single detail.
Nah frick off, Carl Potts/Jim Lee War Journal and Chuck Dixon/JRJR War Zone are excellent action comics.
Tom Brevoort's response:
>"I've loved a lot of Chuck Dixon's comics and worked with him a time or two, and I find it perplexing to equate that sensible, knowledgeable writer with the guy spouting ignorant nonsense about the Punisher on his podcasts and elsewhere. He is smarter than that. He knows better."
If he's going to throw the guy under the bus for sharing his honest opinion that hurts no one but the abusive company that underpay it's writers and shit on it's fans he should at the very least give a few arguments.
>throw the guy under the bus
Brevoort did no such thing.
>He is smarter than that. He knows better.
No he isn't, he's writing comics for ComicsGate now.
Dunno why would anyone write "comicsgate" comics, left winger writers never write "liberal comics" or "liberal cartoons" they will just act like the American Democratic Party consensus is a fact and everybody else in the world are the biased ones.
Dixon will literally write for anything, he's the one comic writer with the most pages written in terms of american creators. He has written spongebob and Simpsons comics. He has written civil war comics for a single museum or re-enactment society to hand out. He has said by his own admission he'll take ANY job that pays.
By standing with Comicgate even after the frickery they pulled with Marsha Cooke, he has no room to judge anyone.
>the frickery
Was this actual frickery or just Twitter bullshit because the comic industry is full of man/womanchildren who are obsessed with Twitter drama?
They tried to claim Darwyn Cooke would agree with him if he was alive for clout, his widow responded he wouldn't for their behavior. Rather than backing off, they encouraged their fanboys to harass her while pretending they weren't.
>they encouraged their fanboys to harass her
Why are Conservatives so cowardly? Seriously.
>Why are Conservatives so cowardly? Seriously.
>nig-
>HELP! MODS! POLICE! I'M BEING HARASSED!
lmao
>nig-
Exactly, none of them have the balls to say that in public. They're cowards.
Leave your safe space for once.
Lol who am I kidding I know you won't
>Leave your safe space for once.
Says the coward who will never leave his parents' basement. Nice performance though.
>projection
Once again, when cornered with FACTS AND LOGIC the liberal reveals his true disgusting form
You trumptards are always crying.
Okay, so Twitter bullshit, gotcha.
>that didn't happen because it proves me wrong
Loser.
Nice trips.
If it happened on Twitter, then it's Twitter bullshit.
Tell that to the judge.
It's still scummy behavior that showed their true colors, and rightfully cost them support.
Who's Marsha Cooke and explain why I should care. And you'd better not mention Twitter.
She's the wife of Darwyn Cooke. Which should be a familar name if you've been reading comics and watching DC animation for a long time. And even if you don't care about him, you should at least understand the bad PR of someone trying to pretend to be the savior of comic books bullying the widow of a beloved artist because she disagrees with you using her husband for clout and you couldn't just accept the difference of opinion. Even non-comic book fans will call you out on that shit.
So he actually works hard? No wonder he's fallen out of favor with the big (number) 2.
Writing for an easy money gig? He absolutely knows better then.
>no rebuttal, just name calling
Typical
Out of all people breevort can't act smarter than anyone else. This is the moron that b***hes about his waifu being dead 50 years later
>sensible, knowledgeable writer
not an argument.
Main continuity Frank has been fricked up for decades. He really doesn't do well under the sliding timescale but the forced changes they put him through makes that problem look minor in comparison. It seems the only person in recent years to use him well in recent years is Ennis. Then again, most characters have been fricked over incredibly bad since the comics crash so it is tough to tell whether Frank's situation is intentional or just due to horrid incompetence.
I’ve read the classic Ennis Punisher stuff and I have a good collection of the original Warzone. What would you say is good modern Punisher, and/or bad and why is it bad?
Frank is an offshoot of the Marvel universe that doesn’t really jive with a lot of other content. He goes well with Daredevil, kinda Spider-Man (as long as it doesn’t get too stupid), and the X-Men as long as it’s semi-grounded. He feels out of place in bigger scale stuff that I have seen. Sliding time scale is a bit weird for things like his origins, and I don’t like whenever his family being killed is retconned as being a result of Frank being in on some CIA spooky shit, kinda ruins the idea of random tragedy.
>He goes well with Daredevil, kinda Spider-Man (as long as it doesn’t get too stupid), and the X-Men as long as it’s semi-grounded.
No they don't, super kung fu, sci fi tech and superpowers already ruin his theme, it makes no sense for him to even survive when his enemies can easily hire a super ninja, wizard or robot to take him down, it makes no sense for him to use real life weapons when anyone can buy alien energy riffles and super armors.
>No they don't, super kung fu, sci fi tech and superpowers already ruin his theme, it makes no sense for him to even survive when his enemies can easily hire a super ninja, wizard or robot to take him down, it makes no sense for him to use real life weapons when anyone can buy alien energy riffles and super armors.
Nah, Punisher is at its peak when its pure CHEESE.
>Punisher is at its peak when its pure CHEESE.
This homie gets it
Just like the X-Men, even Spider-Man makes no sense at all in a shared universe.
Good modern Punisher I've read was Garth Ennis's work on Marvel Knights and Max. Knights gave you something that can kind of work in continuity since Punisher avoids the spandex crowd as much as he could and spends most of those encounters trying to escape them. Max was him in a world with no superheroes. Good non-Ennis stuff was usually out of continuity as well since Frank could Frank shit with impunity there like Punisher vs the Marvel Universe. Bad stuff is tougher since I seldom touched the main line after Civil War. Before that, the Angel series was pretty lame.
Is Max really no supes pocket universe? I thought it was just a darker offshoot, not fully grounded. What about stuff like Nick Fury and other “normal” heroes? They show up?
While I do not believe it was ever explicitly said in the comics themselves, Punisher MAX and Nick Fury MAX written by Ennis never had any super powered characters. The only time it even had unpowered villains adapted from main continuity that I know of was when it was written by Jason Aaron. Those predictably underwhelmed. It is why there are a lot of fans of Garth Ennis on Punisher and Fury since he has a strong batting average with them.
I'm down with it, just like X-Men should be in their own universe quarantine
>Is Max really no supes pocket universe?
Wolverine MAX is the same universe. So at least 2 supers (Wolverine and Sabertooth) exist in that universe.
That makes sense. A Wolverine as a freak on the run from the weapon-x project, with no or minimal baggage from the rest of the X-Men existing, or at least them being way less public, to me, meshes with the tone of the Punisher.
Do the two have decent interactions?
>A Wolverine as a freak on the run from the weapon-x project
Actually, Weapon X was never a thing. He doesn't have claws naturally, and they are implants that his mob boss got him when he was a mob hitman. No Adamantium skeleton either, just the claws.
>Do the two have decent interactions?
No, I don't think he ever appeared in anything outside his own series.
That sounds like a really shitty version of wolverine. A mob enforcer who got his claws installed by some mob guy?
Is it not shitty when actually read?
It's pretty shitty, yeah. Don't bother.
He's not a mob enforcer anymore, and it's not clear if the mob guy is telling the whole truth due to amnesia, as Wolverine is also established to have been a vigilante for a long time. But it's probably just an incosistency.
I thought the amnesia thing was cleared by after House of M, with Wolverine getting all his memories back
It's a different universe.
He has amnesia here because of a plane crash that the story begins with.
I like Rick Remender's run. It's well known for the goofy Frankencastle shit, and I do like that part of it, but I also love the stuff with Microchip and Jigsaw's son and the whole hedgehog dilemma that run did with Frank.
I'm pretty sure people like the Greg Rucka run but I never read it.
I liked Jason Aaron's Earth 616 run but I don't see it as the end of Punisher because nothing ever actually ends in cape comics and they'll bring Frank back whenever someone has a good pitch (or when the Punisher replacement comic flops lmao).
Have him go on a leftwing arc: killing corrupt racist cops, school shooters, wall street executives, etc. But have the overall message of the run be "antifa just as bad as chuds."
Give Punisher a hot psycho gf who is basically Azula or Jinx of Marvel who is completely down with Frank's mission.
Or make Punisher gay in light of his wife divorcing him.
Have Punisher be framed for something he legitimately didn't do and force Matt Murdock to defend him.
Put him on a Midnight Sons team with Danny Ketch, Blade, Moon Knight, Hulk, and Elsa Bloodstone (between Rick Remender and Jason Aaron, Marvel seems to actually like Punisher in horror/mystical settings).
Frank has gone after all of those before save school shooters. It's not the fresh idea you think it is. Second, Frank fricks time to time but he never gets attached. He'd also treat an Azula type the same way he treated every copycat or murderhorny sadist he's run across with a bullet to the head. Only the Midnight Sons idea has legs, and you have to keep Jason Aaron away from it.
Duggan did well with Frank in books like Kill Krew and Savage Avengers.
I would totally check out an ongoing Frank book if he was the writer.
It's insane how he can write both of those books and drek like Marauders and X-men
I'm convinced X books have a brain draining effect.
Marvel has a bizarre history of writers who are perfectly normal on other books, sometimes even good, going completely insane when they're on an X-book.
Jason Aaron being a great example of that. He was doing well on max until he suddenly started ranting about making his mark on Punisher and things quickly went to shit.
Anybody who draws the pouches as the teeth is alright in my book.
>>"They don’t like him for the same reason that DC doesn’t like Guy Gardner and fans like the Punisher for the same reason they like Guy Gardner," noting that "There’s very few superheroes that have blue collar origins" and are "average guys driven to extremes."
This is a terrible argument. If he said "Marvel hates the Punisher because he promotes police brutality" or "they hate the Pinisher because he's too politically incorrect" he'd have a point, but claiming that Marvel hates "blue collar" people is just stupid. Especially since Frank doesn't even have blue collar origins and he is very much not an average guy.
And comparing Frank's situation to Guy Gardner is also pretty dumb, especially since DC doesn't seem to hate Guy, he appears pretty frequently compared to other green lanterns.
>Especially since Frank doesn't even have blue collar origins
What exactly are Frank's origins? What did his parents do? Did he ever have a job other than be in the military?
Even if it exists, 99.9% of people can’t tell you off hand. Because it doesn’t matter. Frank’s story begins in the marines. He may as well have materialized out of the ether somewhere in Vietnam.
That’s what makes all this blue collar stuff so disingenuous. Frank didn’t become a marine to pay some bills. Frank simply is a marine.
People like Dixon, who is a writer, should know better that certain elements of a character are important and others aren’t, even if somewhere, at some point in the decades some nobody scrubbed in a backstory canon that nobody else cares about when the story is happening. When Frank punched that polar bear I was not wondering what his dad did for a job .
Dixon is trying and failing to make his random Archie Bunker comparison work.
In the MAX imprint, the Punisher (Francis "Frank" Castle, born Castiglione) grew up in Flatbush, a "working class" (read: poor) neighborhood in Brooklyn, NY. His father was an ex-marine who served in WWII. His mother's job wasn't detailed but given the time period, she was either a house wife or a seamstress.
>DC doesn’t like Guy Gardner
Dixon is so full of shit.
They portrayed him as an abusive ex in his most recent appearance, and not in a "Haha acts the clown with the other guys" way or played straight like in that one issue of JLI where he and Blue Beetle get into a boxing match; he was attacking of all people, Ice.
>W-well the character acted a bit like an butthole in an out of continuity story!
>THAT MEANS THEY HATE THE CHARACTER
Come the frick on.
Yeah, an actual example would be when he started to talk shit about himself and shill Captain America or when he just allowed Captain America to kick his ass like a masochist.
what are the best punisher runs?
Sounds like Dixon’s starting to show signs of terminal brain worm syndrome as a conservative.
Honestly, who the frick cares, Punisher is objectively an inconsistent poorly written character, a lazy Executioner rip off who simply don't fit in the Marvel universe, his comics are trash, he's trash.
>Everything is... LE BAD
The NPC equivalent of throwing the board game up in the air when the thread doesn't go your way
except that he won, considering that they are retiring the character
>they are retiring the character
About time. After Ennis, who needs the 616 version?
The only "solution" would be stop buying Marvel garbage comics, but no one cares because Marvel was never good, a company whose characters are a bunch of rip offs and whose writers are a bunch of literal who hacks. They don't give a frick, they will simply make another cheap rip off of another sucessful character from another company.
He's right
Punisher, despite if hundreds of twittergays and media trying to tell you otherwise is actually really pro cop and has a lot of said moments, hell in some stories he actually works WITH cops
You would think they see this as an oportunity to atrack a rightwing audience but instead they decided to burn everything to the ground because things have to either be an diverse lgbt power fantasy or harmless
I suppose a question is, where do you go with Frank to make him interesting? I’m scratching my head for story ideas that haven’t already been done for him
You dont need to “do” anything to any characters. I hate you fan fic writing homosexuals who say this shit.
This anon's idea was pretty funny
>Punisher meets Gert from I Hate Fairyland miniseries
Could work
The sellout option is to have Punisher 2099 show up and be all the bad things Disney doesn't want from the character and have Frank, Frank him as a meta narrative. Is this puke inducing? Yes. Is it also likely? Yes. Will it backfire horribly? Absolutely.
I got an idea, Frank goes out and kills a bunch of criminals.
Maybe it's been done, but what about a reboot where Frank is a vet of Iraq/Afghanistan, except he was a drone operator, with zero frontline combat experience. He's killed a lot but never directly. He comes home, family killed, he becomes a vigilante but he has to teach himself real combat on the job, get into various close calls, frick ups, etc.
So now he's just a sociopathic creep who wasn't hardened by tours "in the shit", he's just some creepy remote drone assassin? Bleah.
Now you are just catering to Chud fantasies.
That's fricking terrible for Frank. Just make a new character or villian with that idea as a foil.
Imagine being a "conservative" and being a Marvel fan, if you aren't a hardcore sjw and are supporting Marvel you are just being a cuck. Even a centrist would be a cuck for supporting them nevermind a conservative.
>centrist
It's a Conservative in disguise.
>They don’t like him
Dixon is a moron. Marvel doesn't give two shits on a moral/ethical level, and they don't hate the character. Its just bad PR and business is business.
But because Marvel is also run by morons, the only way they know how to lower a character's profile is by shitting on them as hard as possible.
And if Dixon cant see the issue in police liking the punisher then frankly the man is an idiot
Oh he sees it. But pretending he doesn't is more profitable.
i dont see the issue since the problematic incidents of the police get cleared out the moment bodycams footage releases, or in the case of Floyd both bodycams and autopsy reports
To add to this Police liking the Punisher isnt problematic at all, any normal person would want a criminals to die or not exist, police job is to protect and serve.
police protects you FROM criminals, they don't protect criminals (unless you are talking about politicians of course).
anyone here with a triple digit iq could see how everytime the police is under fire is always because a democrat/leftist group comes out of the woodwork to defend criminals, the most common being the dindu nothing defense or "x thing he did didnt deserve death" while ignoring the glaring issue of said criminal reaching for a gun or trying to actually fight off cops
the police literally aren't supposed to kill criminals, cops 100% should not identify with the Punisher. The court system decides guilt and punishment, not cops.
Doesn’t matter if they’re not supposed to kill criminals. If the criminal is shooting at them, they have a right to defend themselves.
>If the criminal is shooting at them
So why are criminals dying when they aren't shooting? Why are they dying when running away while unharmed
Why are they being shoot while surrendering
Those who are “unarmed” have knives or a blunt object. If you don’t act fast when a guy with a knife is rushing you, you’re fricked. Also, while they might not be attacking the police, they could be attacking others which is where the police will try to stop them.
Tell me that white boy who crawled in a hallway before getting shot was armed.
>police protects you FROM criminals,
just like how the presents were from santa and the stripper really does love you
Police who like the punishers aren't taking down criminal organisation, they are beating up homeless person half to death for making too much noise, breaking a teen nose because he said frick the police and arresting random people because they were annoyed at being randomnly pulled over.
Is there any actual, hard evidence of police brutality being correlated with the Punisher symbol or are we just assuming?
Easy. Cops who use the Punisher symbol are white supremacists.
[Citation needed]
Seriously anon, give a few instances of crooked cops having Punisher bumper stickers.
Give me actual evidence.
Because to me this whole idea of cops running around larping as Frank Castle sounds like one big boogeyman.
cops idolizing a character because he kills criminals extra-judicially isn't a good thing no matter how much you try to spin it
If the cops in question aren't actually killing or brutalizing people, this is just a lot of noise over absolutely nothing.
If the courts and legal system did a better job of keeping career criminals off the streets, and there wasn't a constant supply of simps aiding and making excuses for them, the entire fantasy of the Punisher wouldn't exist in the first place.
they're cops, they probably are brutalizing people. Likely their wives.
>If the cops in question aren't actually killing or brutalizing people
Then they are off-duty.
Except for this.
These posts are borderline non-sequitur, I'm asking for actual cases of bad cops with Punisher stickers and I'm getting "cops bad" as replies.
If it's so fricking common, why can't you produce any?
I WANT PHOTOS. PHOTOS OF PUNISHER COPS.
I don't know why you need specific examples to be convinced that cops wishing they could murder criminals indiscriminately is a bad thing
If they don't do it then who fricking cares? I don't believe in wrongthink.
>cops wishing they could murder criminals indiscriminately
what is this straw man that you've built up and how moronic must a person be to look any further into this than "haha cool symbol"
Cops murder criminals indiscriminately on a daily basis. They only need the slightest provocation or doubt then it's guns blazing. Chauvin and his posse are only in prison because they were slow, sloppy and wiener, and everyone and their cousin has a video recorder.
15 years ago it would have just been another day on the force.
Over 6 million unarmed black men are hunted down and murdered by police to harvest their melanin every year.
Sure you think it's hilarious, if you were treated by the police like African Americans are, you'd be in the streets rioting. You've clearly never had your first brush with Authoritah, admittedly you are white-ish so you'll likely survive it, but it will still be eye-opening for you.
I've seen the actual statistics and I've seen what black BLM and their enablers believe the statistics are. They couldn't be further apart. If 2 black men get shot in the same year the ACAB dummies will claim that there are thousands of George Floyds every month that don't get reported, which of course is a rhetorical fallacy because you cannot prove that thousands of unreported murders of black men by police are happening if there is no data to corroborate the claim.
What unfortunately a lot of more educated people don't understand is that inner city culture has a completely different perception of where "facts" come from than people who are actually properly educated. They think if a bunch of people make a guess and they find out they all guessed similar, that means it's the truth. So that means, by their standards, if a bunch of black people guess that there is a nation wide genocide being committed by the police, it's the truth, and the statistics are being fabricated to suppress the truth. It's an extremely backward and shamanistic approach to knowledge but that's what a failed city education system does.
>So that means, by their standards, if a bunch of black people guess that there is a nation wide genocide being committed by the police
I like it better when you regale me with how you are being genocided by Le Grand Conspiracy, Chudley. You gonna fix me up later?
>They only need the slightest provocation
Then don't provoke them?
"moving your hand slightly too fast while having black skin" is often provocation enough
>I was only reaching for my knife/gun
many such cases
"Emerging from your friend's garage at night with ID in your hand" is a clear lethal force moment, as has been demonstrated.
>I can't breathe
Such a provocation
poor bait step it up.
>Chauvin and his posse are only in prison because they were slow, sloppy and wiener, and everyone and their cousin has a video recorder.
Chauvin is only in prision because USA is a joke banana republic where they choose impartial jurors such as a BLM protester and low iq women, and if that wasn't enought they also had prosecution making mistrail worthy offenses, the jurors being doxxed and Joe Biden quite literally making threaths
Yes, I understand you desire to live in a country where cops can be on your windpipe for "maybe" passing a fake bill, because you could never be similarly abused.
"Some day, I will own that boot" you think, licking it like a gud boi.
Anon the image you are replying to flat out says Floyd's neck was pristine
Hell the autopsy doctor flat out said that it was an overdose
Source?
Oh sure, and without video record, that would have been the end of it, "Hey folks, he just spontaneously exploded from Fent, it's a crazy drug, waddya gonna do?" All the pleading for air would have just been conjecture.
He ate the fentanyl so the police wouldn’t find it. It was too much for his body to take so he overdosed.
Its a complete dayum shame then that they were abusing and humiliating the hapless bastard when he detonated then, ain't it?
Poor widdle bullies.
What are the symptoms of a fentanyl overdose?
Why would someone be visibly hyperventilating and panicking if they were overdosing on a downer?
>gray, blue or pale skin
Well, it couldn't have been fentanyl then, the media told me his skin was black.
Don't bother arguing with /misc/tards. They don't understand anything until it actually pierces their bubbles and happens to them, and even then some just flail and make excuses anyway.
/pol/tards are literally the only ones that fricking watched the trail and the evidence provided
Everyone else just keeps claiming that Floyd died by the knee on the neck despite the fact that got discarted rather quickly
What are the symptoms of a fentanyl overdose?
Why would someone be visibly hyperventilating and panicking if they were overdosing on a downer?
oh and floyd was a drug addict, he's going to have a much higher tolerance to drugs.
>was a drug addict, he's going to have a much higher tolerance to drugs
The desperation in this post.
desperate how?
Yes that how it works, your body builds up resistances to chemicals over time. Diminishing returns, just look at Ozzy.
I can't name you any, I also can't name you a single US city with good policework, be it left or right
Can you even name a single far-left city in the USA?
You also can't name any evidence or statistical data to backup anything you've been saying, but that's part and parcel with ideological morons who probably haven't actually researched anything that comes out of their mouthes.
>You also can't name any evidence or statistical data to backup anything you've been saying, but that's part and parcel with ideological morons who probably haven't actually researched anything that comes out of their mouthes.
https://www.merckmanuals.com/home/drugs/factors-affecting-response-to-drugs/tolerance-and-resistance-to-drugs
>far left city in the USA
Seattle,
Los Angeles
San Francisco
New York
Detroit
Washington D.C.
these all have at least five decades of democrat rule btw.
I just realized that I forgot to mention Chicago.
He also had
-And enlarged heart
-Hypertension
Arteries blocked to 75% and 90% respectively
-alegedly covid
And im pretty sure im missing things
From anywere you see this is really fricking moronic how Chauvin """killed""" Saint Floyd
normal person seeing a guy dying: oh shit, better call an ambulance
cop seeing a guy dying: better make sure
The point is cops shouldn't be at fault for not magically knowing that 6'2 muscular black man chimping out is actually a ticking time bomb
Because he was overdosing moron, you can see him tripping balls in the videos
>You've just described 90% of American men over the age of 40 at that time.
I dont think that 40% of men had three times the lethal dose of meth tho
true, here in NE Missouri it's probably only 15%.
>Because he was overdosing moron, you can see him tripping balls in the videos
So why wasn't he unconciouss if he was already overdosing on fent?
He was agitated, not lethargic.
So, how come he happened to pass out and die RIGHT after chauvin was kneeling on his neck for 7 minutes?
None of those things are lethal on their own. How come he didn't die at home?
You've just described 90% of American men over the age of 40 at that time.
Maybe they would have fared badly with a cop on their neck. But of course that would never happen to some white guy weaving all over the road drunk, unless he was some shirtless desperately poor schmuck, and then only maybe.
No, It's happened to white guys too. Maybe not as often, but its happened
Oh I mean cops are like all bullies, cowards at heart. If you startle them sufficiently, or get their adrenaline up (and they have far superior numbers), you might end up on their trophy list too.
There are no "good cops" fren, television lied to you. It's disgusting people doing a truly disgusting job for disgusting pay, where the only compensation for not being a UPS driver or pizza deliver boy is being able to carry out your wildest bully/sadist/Klan fantasies on a mostly helpless populace.
No company really wants their brand associated with cops. Firemen? Sure. ZOG military? Absolutely, they love the vets. But the police are only palatable on old B&W tv shows. Particularly now that most of them are required to video their shenanigans, something their sleazy Union fought like tigers.
I dunno UPS driver is gonna be a pretty good gig pretty soon
Sure, but can you put a price tag on kneeing some Black to death that you've hated personally for years?
THAT is what keeps cops going, when a cop indulges their road rage, endangering the lives of scores of civilians, it's just normal duty.
Oh frick off
>It's disgusting people doing a truly disgusting job for disgusting pay
Shouldn't have defunded the police then.
The police were exactly like this 30 years ago, to my recollection. My Father's goes back further, same story. Still the same H.S. bullies and buttholes graduating with an education in sadism and extortion, choosing the next natural step in their careers.
Not brave enough for the military, so join the local Gestapo gang.
99.9999999% of cops were never defunded, even the cops in my medium-small town have funds for military toys.
The pussy cops who let those kids get gunned down in Uvalde had one of them rocking this Punisher and flag combo thing as his phone background.
You can scrub videos for more examples, I'm sure there's some, but there you go. A specific example that I'm surprised no one brought up and tried to argue semantics over.
Stunning and not-so-brave.
No one bothered because we know the goalposts not only have wheels, they are motorized.
>The cop who DIDN'T gun down the criminal had the punisher logo
Not what I was expecting, but interesting nonetheless.
The criminal in this instance wasn't some teenager mouthing them off or a homeless guy punching air, so naturally they had to swarm around and wait while kids bled to death.
More than half of your city/town's funding goes to these guys.
Cops only respond "bravely" with overwhelming numbers against under-equipped "perps".
These guys weighed their personal safety against a well-equipped chud busy slaughtering children and made the typical Cop Choice.
You can never have enough backup in these situations, and a man can only carry so much ammunition.
I just saw a video of a cop rush into a supermarket by himself to kill a mass shooter last week. sounds like you're a biased midwit making sweeping generalizations.
The truth is somewhere in the middle. For every decent cop there's a ton of scumbags that shouldn't be cops, and the departments themselves say they have a problem with weeding out the bad cases but also don't take the steps they should.
Not him, but cops broadly are low-pay, low IQ bullies and sadists who see the ability to abuse their authority as one of the key perks that keep them interested in the profession.
Anyone with even casual familiarity with cops will tell you this. I went to school ages ago with some guys who are now cops.
You won’t get it because there isn’t any. It’s a boogeyman.
>police protects you FROM criminals,
Literally not their job. The police have no obligation to protect you from criminals.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Town_of_Castle_Rock_v._Gonzales
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DeShaney_v._Winnebago_County
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Warren_v._District_of_Columbia
I'm sure the store owners in California would rather just get rid of police and have armed security right now. Bad policework goes hand in hand with far-left political policies.
>Bad policework goes hand in hand with far-left political policies.
Meanwhile the far-right policy is a bullet in the head to everyone who speaks up
Name one far right city in the United States where this happens.
No one makes Rethuglicans Mayors of major cities, because they are laughably shit at it.
Even Deep Red Salt Lake City prefers a Dem running it.
Why doesn't he stop whining and write his own version of Punisher?
He is, it's going to be called Black warrant
If Marvel hates Punisher now then they should allow it to become public domain.
That would open a copyright Pandora's Box and they would never risk it.
They don't like it so they don't want anyone else to like it. No one can have it but them because they might not ruin it
Based. I still wear my punisher gear idk whose triggered.
Idc i mean
There's a ton of heroes who were veterans, what the frick is he talking about?
Name 27
>Steve Rogers
>Ben Grimm
>Reed Richards
>James Howlett
>Carol Danvers
>Kate Kane
>John Stewart
>James Rhodes
>Flash Thompson
>Captain Atom
>Jonah Hex
>Deadpool
>USAgent
>Charles Xavier
>Bucky Barnes
probably some more I'm forgetting
are we counting all the time travel back to world war 2 events? because that would essentially include every hero out there.
>for the same reason that DC doesn’t like Guy Gardner
Guy is popular with cops? Also Punisher is just a boring mary sue
This is a very QAnon opinion.
Guy has anything to do with QAnon?
Guy Gardner is an openly conservative super hero.
Ironically, like Wally West, Guy had his conservative political character traits stripped from him once he got his own book in the 90s and people like Johns, Tomasi, Beau Smith, and Jurgans wrote him more like a sort of butthole with a huge heart of gold type.
And the only reason DC continues to shit on him is that he's infinitely more popular than Stewart and Rayner, which is one of the reasons his ongoing got cancelled as it was constantly selling on par with Marz GL run and Marz despised it for doing so.
>Guy Gardner is an openly conservative super hero.
>Ironically, like Wally West, Guy had his conservative political character traits stripped from him once he got his own book in the 90s and people like Johns, Tomasi, Beau Smith, and Jurgans wrote him more like a sort of butthole with a huge heart of gold type.
what are conservative character traits?
Gardner and West explicitly stated they were Republican and in particular were very vocal Reagan supporters and supporters of explicit conservative values in the 80s
Having the CIA sell crack to black neigbhoorhoods?
Being a conservative when Garnder was created and had his iconic runs and being a conservative today are two different things. You think Gardner wants to be in the same room as Shapiro, Mcconnell or Inhofe?
This. Guy would look at the shit going on right now and wonder what the frick is wrong with his party.
It's a Black personcuddling problem, so it's a leftist propaganda problem.
Frank basic concept is that he kills commons criminals. In the USA (and in all western countries), black people are overepresented in violent crime.
So Frank implicitly kills black guys.
There is not even need to have him kill niggs in the ACTUAL COMICS. It's the IDEA that he spends lots of his time gunning down blacks.
You know it, I know, everyone knows it.
That is not acceptable for leftists (= globalists).
The problem is not law enforcement per-se. Leftists like the boots when they strip decent people of their rights.
Leftist does not like the idea of a normal person (who happens to be male, white, of catholic heritage) taking a reasonable and unlawful stance of killing bad people ( = black for the leftists).
Corollary: conservatives accept that both bad and good black people exist, globalists cannot.
Frank mostly kills Italians. Like himself
>Italian-American
>white
>Character is created as a parody of "bad people" the creator dislikes
>Ends up becoming popular with both general audiences and the people it was meant to mock
Happens all the time.
So many people miss the point of American Psycho
Yeah, it was too deep and intellectual for those plebs.
Only in the sense that Ellis didn't outright state the crimes of Bateman were just his daydreams to cope with his existential angst
Perhaps, we will never know. Real or not people missed the point that Bateman is a man full of misery
I don't think Rorschach is a parody of "real life" people per se. He's more like a parody of Batman.
He’s based on the Question.
Source?
Your fricking eyes. Everyone in Watchmen is an analog for a Charlton character. This is common knowledge.
In a thread full of stupidly bad takes, you take the cake sir.
>source?
Dumb mother fricker, stop reading comic books they're too smart for you.
well yes obviously but he's also a parody of Batman
the owl (or whatever bird that was) was the parody of batman.
Libertarians are so up their own asses that they're genetically unable to read what they have in front of them.
>the only character who's willing to stand by his principles instead of meekly stepping aside for a genocidal NWO
Face it, Rorschach wasn't just the good guy by the end, he was the ONLY good guy.
>choosing suicide is more heroic and righteous than snitching on BOYS man
All of this was already obvious to anyone with half a brain.
>he suggested that as Marvel in recent years has been far more willing to ditch large portions of its audience,
No shit, homie?
>Netflix Punisher's first season starts excellently but then drops any pretense of actually being a Punisher show after fifteen minutes and just turns into not-Jason Bourne vs crooked CIA goons
>Netflix Punisher's second season is a generic action show that has virttually nothing to do with the Punisher but then ends excellently in the last several minutes
I really don't get it.
I think Dixon is wrong just because everyone working at Marvel hates all Marvel characters
I just wanted a Punisher vs. Crossbones comic, but even if they ever made one, it would be terrible because modern Marvel is terrible.
I just want Ennis and Parlov to come back and do a new mini like Platoon except instead of Frank getting his squad through nam it's Barracuda turning some random thugs into a maniac death squad.
What does Cinemaphile think of Steve Grant's 5-issue miniseries? I picked up a beat-up trade of it a couple of months ago and I don't think I've ever seen or heard anyone talk about it.
Decent covers but the story is half ass pull retcon (previously Bill Mantlo had Punisher go cray cray trying to kill innocent people for littering and jaywalking in Spectacular Spidey by revealing that Jigsaw had drugged him to make him act out and attempt to kill innocent people for the evil lols) but it's mostly Grant shitting on people who like Punisher by having Punisher get backing from people who turn out to be right wing buttholes that want to exploit Frank to kill undesirables.
Ironically Stephen Grant is just as fricked and TDS crazy as Gerry Conway and will ban you/delete your replies on Facebook if you refute his anti-right screeching on FB (as Grant thinks Trump is Hitler 2.0, anyone not 100% left wing "alt Reich" and that Hunter Biden is 100% innocent and screams lalalala and deletes/bans anyone who posts proof otherwise in his replies. And the only reason he hasn't denounced his work on Punisher is due to its the only thing he wrote people know about let alone in print in any shape or form to make him money via royalties.
On your knees, hands in the air, saying "I surrender"? Loose the attack dog.
I want a Punisher who kills cops and cop bootlickers, i.e. bad guys.
get busted for weed, timmy?
No, they saw me leaving your mom's bedroom through the window. Fortunately, they only asked me if she was available for a quickie.
I think we should defund police in black areas.
You are about 60 years too late on that novel idea.
the ghetto bodycam footage I've seen says otherwise.
The cops that draw the inner cities are the most pathetic, frick-up lot on the force, everyone decent migrates out to the upper-class white neighborhoods where they patrol for groid incursions.
Stop sympathizing with criminals. These guys would not at all give you the same respect and would quickly dehumanize you to make it easier to hurt you.
Why the defense for Floyd. The guy held a pregnant woman at gunpoint at her pregnant belly while his buddies robbed her. He was put in prison for this for 5 years because she caught the license plate as they were leaving. This wasn’t even the only thing he did. Bastard got what he deserved.
He was a dumb criminal motherfricker, no doubt.
However, I don't desire to live in a country where a guy can be a total frickup, serve his time,. and now he's fair game for the Police Jackals ever day for the rest of his life, with no rights whatsoever.
The guy overdosed on fentanyl after ingesting it to hide it from the police. He didn’t learn his lesson and still did illegal shit.
And maybe, just Maybe, if this country wasn't focused on making the Mitt "mormoney" Romney's of the world rich with vulture capitalism and off-shoring, dumb ole George would have been some forklift driving sixpack joe going home to his modest place in the city to drink way too much beer and watch boxing, instead of living in another urban shithole with the economic heart ripped out of it and served up to Chang.
But here we are.
>Why the defense for Floyd. The guy held a pregnant woman at gunpoint at her pregnant belly while his buddies robbed her. He was put in prison for this for 5 years because she caught the license plate as they were leaving. This wasn’t even the only thing he did. Bastard got what he deserved.
Yes he was a criminal, and was sent to prison before. And how did chauvin know that?
Nitpick:
she wasn't pregnant, and he wasn't one the who threatened her.
https://www.factcheck.org/2020/06/meme-spreads-wrong-photo-details-in-floyd-criminal-case/
https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2020/jun/16/instagram-posts/no-photo-doesnt-show-woman-george-floyd-allegedly-/
Stop destroying the Conservative Legend.
Upper middle class people don’t know what it’s like to live in shitty crime infested areas. They’re less likely to be robbed, killed or raped compared to those who do live there.