>What If
>No Way Home and Multiverse of Madness
>Loki/Quantumania and the rest of the mainline MCU
>Spiderverse
Each one has a different set of rules and contingencies of how the multiverse works.
In Loki, it's a single timeline that needs to be kept consistent? But according to Spiderverse it's also a web of universes that are fine to exist as long as they playout the way they are supposed to.
But according to What If, moments as radical as Ultron gaining self awareness can occur, without destroying the multiverse like Miles saving indian-spidermans police chief threatened to do
Meanwhile NWH has a completely unique set of rules where nobody glitches when they are out of their universe.
Was some consistency too much to ask for? This was supposed to be the MCUs "multiverse saga", but watching these projects back to back is just a mess of having to forget and immediately re-learn how the multiverse works.
Even the most simple continuity, like the MCUs in-universe designation ends up getting fricked. Is it 616, or 1999999? Have these filmmakers not even seen each other's movies?
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>could have easily avoided mcu’s bullshit by just not referencing so people can assume it’s a different canon
>just had to include miguel shittalking the events of no way home
Why
The movie shits on the mcu multiple times.
What other times?
Miguel's back story.
Which is funny since NWH did this same plot and premise 10000x better
>Fanservice and cameos = better
You just described ATSV, but don't worry the AI people are working on a pretty colors filter for you so you can enjoy NWH too
ATSV has cameos but they aren't really fanservicey, like your enjoyment of the film isn't completely predicated on whether you've seen the various cartoons or video games unlike NWH with the Raimi and Webb films
The exact opposite really, the multiverse characters in NWH are all relevant to the plot, in ATSV it's just a reference fest and none of them are relevant
>the multiverse characters in NWH are all relevant to the plot
What was the point of Lizard or Sandman or Venom? Tobey and Andrew didn't even really need to be in the film at all if you think about it, they were just there for the fanservice
>Lizard or Sandman
To add numbers that help establish a pattern through which the protagonists could conclude what they all have in common
>or Venom?
moronic Sony ad stinger, this is every cameo in ATSV btw
>Tobey and Andrew didn't even really need to be in the film at all if you think about it, they were just there for the fanservice
No they were there for Tom-Peter's character growth after May's death and to help him develop the serum
Funny, I prefer the Sony Spider-verse style to the Disney What If style. Wish Disneybwould do something more like that. Though technically even the first movie had a few different styles.
>Why
Because it's funner.
why did you put a picture of 17 here
>Is it 616, or 1999999?
Can't it be both? Or to be more precise, is it that weird to you that different organizations might have different designations?
The mcu was fricking pretentious nye calling themselves 616. They are 19999.
Each of these multiverses fit inside of a larger megaverse, which in itself is within the realms an even bigger omniverse. So it's perfectly plausible each of these universes are within one another, but different megaverses entirely but all contained within the same omniverse.
I'm hoping mad!
>In Loki, it's a single timeline that needs to be kept consistent
Wrong. The Sacred Timeline basically was a manufactured singular timeline where any offshoots were promptly trimmed and deleted by the TVA under the direction of He Who Remains (the Kang variant that won the previous Multiverse war).
Multiverse occurs naturally from these inherent variations from the beginning of time to the end so the singular timeline existing actually is an artificial construction by HWR.
So what's even the fricking point of bringing it up? Just to confuse people right before the real multiverse plotlines start?
It's basically the origin of the multiverse. Before the events of Loki, there was only the Sacred Timeline but after He Who Remains died, the sacred timeline kept splitting and branching until it became the multiverse.
So there was just straight up no marvel multiverse before the events of Loki? That's an insanely huge pill to swallow for long time fans
There was but there was a great war that ended with He Who Remains purging everything and establishing one "sacred timeline", enforced by the TVA (so basically any variations was purged by them) and this was where the MCU was set in until the events of Endgame/Loki, then the multiverse was reborn again.
It's to set up the actual intended conflict that comes from the multiverse being set up: the multiverse war and Kang as the Thanos-tier threat for the next phase of the MCU as well as explain why multiverse shenanigans hadn't appeared beforehand. He Who Remains dying and releasing his iron grip on keeping the MCU timeline the ONLY timeline unleashes variations upon variations of possibilities all at once that quickly expand outwards. Because this happens in a realm outside of time, the events to the viewer are quite linear. However inside the timeline once its released its as if the multiverse always existed which is why you have things like the Darkhold suddenly having means to travel between the multiverse as if it always had that ability.
And all of this technically starts with the Avengers in Endgame fricking around with the timeline itself, which is what created the variant Loki that snowballed this event into happening.
Honestly I finally understand thanks to this post
You realize that the Marvel Omniverse is canonically a work of fiction, right? It doesn't need to make sense, it doesn't have the pretense of reality. It's just a story.
Stories are usually better when they make sense
But it does make sense. The inconsistencies are disagreements between authors and their vision of the multiverse. It's self-explanatory.
>In Loki, it's a single timeline that needs to be kept consistent? But according to Spiderverse it's also a web of universes that are fine to exist as long as they playout the way they are supposed to.
The multiverse is infinite. If there are disagreements, it's because they're only focused on their specific interests and/or one of those idiots who have to theme everything up.
>But according to Spiderverse it's also a web of universes that are fine to exist as long as they playout the way they are supposed to.
But according to What If, moments as radical as Ultron gaining self awareness can occur, without destroying the multiverse like Miles saving indian-spidermans police chief threatened to do
I don't think those contradict each other, like Spot is one big anomaly but canon events still play out around him like Singh and Davis were supposed to die because of him.
>Meanwhile NWH has a completely unique set of rules where nobody glitches when they are out of their universe.
Technically Across reveals that the reason why the villains specifically ended up in the MCU in the first place was because of the collider blowing up in ITSV and why Keaton Vulture ends up in the Morbius/Venom universe. Loki S2 teaser also had Loki glitching across universes so maybe they'll address it there
>Was some consistency too much to ask for? This was supposed to be the MCUs "multiverse saga", but watching these projects back to back is just a mess of having to forget and immediately re-learn how the multiverse works.
You have to remember that the MCU and Spiderverse were probably originally standalone apart from each other but then Sony and Disney made a new deal that allowed for more crossovers between properties, including the implication that the Spider-Verse is part of the MCU's multiverse.
In loki, We Wuz Kang was trimming/deleting the branches so no other multiverse and other Kang can be created. There was no rule except for his. Since he's killed , the multiverse can be splitting which leads to new rules or return to old news.
>In Loki, it's a single timeline that needs to be kept consistent
It doesn't need to be, that's just what Kang wanted to prevent other Kangs from showing up because even one other Kang is a fricking nightmare.
Basically if in every Macbook that got produced, it also came with a small nuclear bomb, you'd want to prevent any new macbooks from getting made
Multiverse rules have never been coherent, not from the moment both the MCU and the main comic universe were called "earth-616"
616 just means "main universe", like even Spiderverse has Peter B Parker come from 616 even though I doubt that's the exact same character from the comic.
>Was some consistency too much to ask for?
In Hollywood? With modern writers? With producers like Feige and Pascal in charge?
Yes.