He doesn't seem to have a problem maintaining a shape for however long it takes when he's up to supervillain shenanigans.
Asking the real questions here. Thanks anons. Clayface need to stop being lazy and train his power. You think Plasticman could do all the shit he could day one? Nope.
Listen SSJSatan it's just inconceivable that would work. No one in BTAS wants to stop being a supervillain as much as Matt Hagen/Clayface. He doesn't want to be robbing chemical companies, stealing TVs from a mall or be playing into the fangirl fantasies of a grad student. He wants his life back, and he could literally have it if he mastered his powers. What is he doing with his days if not trying to hold himself together? FFS He only joins Grodd because he says >Oh I can help you with that whole mudman thing
You're comparing Plasticman to Clayface and pretending like the latter doesn't have a degenerative condition and isn't literally falling apart and molting to the verge of losing his body all the goddamn time. And the worst part is there's really no hope for the guy. He can't get surrender to the cops and get therapy, or social support from the state. His only choice is to agree to whatever any scientist says that think they can fix him.
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Exactly, in justice league cartoon, clayface was actually going to depower himself, and be fully human but Batman stopped him for stealing the supplies despite knowing why he needed them, Batman actually knows what is needed to cure him and has every resource available to do so, but he rather keep him a monster
Batman's whole autism is that HE (as Bruce) wants to cure Clayface so that HE can force him to go to jail afterwards.
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>so that HE can force him to go to jail afterwards
That's bullshit.
Bats autism is trying to SAVE everyone. He wants Clayface cured so that he can just be a normal homie again.
Most of his rogue's gallery are people who genuinely need help, but for some reason or another won't accept it or get pulled back into crime after they served their time.
That's why his main foil is Joker, the guy who obviously needs help, but wants to make everyone else as crazy as him.
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>Most of his rogue's gallery are people who genuinely need help, but for some reason or another won't accept it or get pulled back into crime after they served their time.
I don't know about that in BTAS. Maybe 5 of the rogues are just addled normal people. Dent, Wesker, Hagen, Quinn if you buy all her postfacto shit, and possibly Maxie Zeus if we don't peel too far into his past.
Dent had a split personality he was receiving treatment for before he was pushed over the edge. He is the clear "Could benefit from help" example but is too big to realistically stick. Wesker is kind of a joke but just like Dent he gets psychotherapy and he actually did recover in TNBA. Hagen was blackmailed into corporate espionage in order to keep a semblance of a normal life then basically poisoned by the goons of the company backmailing him and wound up a pile of chemicals: he's not mentally deficient just enraged at the fact he'd been all but murdered and desperate. And Zeus was living in a perpetual delusional state, I'm not sure exactly when that started.
But Croc, Penguin, Ivy, Hatter, Krane, Strange, Freeze, Riddler, Clock King, all the mobsters counting the Joker: they very consciously chose to be criminals. Temple's obsession with time and hatred towards Hill for making him late once isn't a justifiable reason to devote his life to revenge. He missed one court date, even if his firm closed down he can get another job as a lawyer he doesn't need to spend years planning revenge. Hell I'd throw Calendar Girl, Baby Doll, Langstrum and Quinn in there too. Even though they definitely need help: I don't get the sense they're incapable of telling right from wrong just petty, vengeful, wrapped up in any other number of normal emotions that lead people to make mistakes and do crimes, or in the case of Langstrum an addict.
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Anonymous
>Bats autism is trying to SAVE everyone.
But also to make them properly serve their time for their crimes. Can't exactly expect Clayface to do that when no prison cell can hold him.
Exactly, in justice league cartoon, clayface was actually going to depower himself, and be fully human but Batman stopped him for stealing the supplies despite knowing why he needed them, Batman actually knows what is needed to cure him and has every resource available to do so, but he rather keep him a monster
Exactly, in justice league cartoon, clayface was actually going to depower himself, and be fully human but Batman stopped him for stealing the supplies despite knowing why he needed them, Batman actually knows what is needed to cure him and has every resource available to do so, but he rather keep him a monster
Ethan Bennetts tenure as Clayface was such a good arc in that show. Granted it was kind of two-face esque but it did something more as it had Ethan flip back and forth between being a good guy and being a bad guy. Like in some later eps, Batman stops referring to him as Bennet and just as 'Clayface'.
It's a shame they cut his time as clayface short and replaced him with a far less interesting Clayface 2.0. Heck alot of the villains in that show had some of the best reworks that unfortunately didn't see much use beyond just that show.
Also Ethan was far more pragmatic as Clayface. I guess that's what happens when you are a former office and not a failed actor.
I liked how The Batman Strikes gave him more use. There was a two-parter where he posed as Catwoman and framed her for his crimes. The bigger surprise was that they were crimes he once foiled as Bennett, so he could cement his new life as Clayface. I also liked the story where he's having a breakdown and Hugo Strange manipulates him for his own ends.
Yeah Two Face should get a new facial scar every so often so he gets obsessed with the number three, four, five, and eventually settles down to start a bakery when he hits 13.
Exactly, in justice league cartoon, clayface was actually going to depower himself, and be fully human but Batman stopped him for stealing the supplies despite knowing why he needed them, Batman actually knows what is needed to cure him and has every resource available to do so, but he rather keep him a monster
Clayface is an actor. He's not a scientist. He's been trying to cure himself for years and all he does is steal stuff, fail, and cause more trouble. If Batman can't cure him then Clayface sure as hell isn't going to do it. That's like getting mad at Batman for stopping someone from robbing banks for money because they need a cure for being broke.
Kirk fricking up his marriage with Francine to chase the black flying-fox will never not piss me off. Dude had peak hot nerdwife and threw it all away.
You know, I really wish we had the same thing with Francine transformed into Manbat while she laughed maniacally especially on the demonic voice. While she did turn into one, she wasn't that kind of woman who felt corrupted or evil herself even when the bat serum was in her unlike how her husband was, so I made this fan edit to show that this would happens if Francine's brain was altered by the serum, making her corrupted and evil as well. Also, do you think that this "what if" version of her is more appealing than what we got in BTAS or not.
My edit skills isn't that good but I had fan using only MS Paint and a mouse 🙂
Hmmm. The details and dedication to these edits. The time spent on a seemingly unimportant concept...
Alfred, this is no ordinary edit. This is someone's kink. Check the internet for any artists that have been commissioned for any female Manbat pieces recently. If we find them we'll find our man.
imagine if he turned into a hot girl and let you frick him haha wouldn't that be weird haha it would be like ohhh no haha batman haha save me ha clayface wants me haha to frick haha his clay pussy haha haha
>He lost everything he held dear to himself. >Brain turned to moosh. >Werewolf complex of raw anger and emotion from a unwilling monstrous change (still one the best moments in BTAS)
He's still one of my favorite Batman villains because he's a very flexible character with a simple background origin and pun intended he can literally be molded into any role with his past profession and skills. If it wasn't for his massive weakness to liquids he'd be a much better villain.
The chemicals that was in the renuyu he was force to ingest messed up his mind as well as mutate his body. Even before he was forced to OD on the stuff you can see what using small amounts of the stuff over a few years has messed with his head.
Is Annie a separate entity? A part of Hagen's psyche that was able to make it's own form after being away from Clayface for long enough? A fully aware Clayface merely playing a role?
He's a theatrical homosexual with a huge ego that was turned into a literal monster. He wasn't exactly a good person to begin with, just famous. It's possible the change also messed up his mental state as well.
I think it depends on the episodes.
Sometimes, it seems like he's gone insane from the translation.
Sometimes, it's revenge.
Sometimes, it's desperation.
Sometimes, he's just there to punch Batman like everybody else from Arkham just to be one of the bad guys.
Like most of the BTAS villains, he was a victim of the circumstances and pushed into an unwinnable corner. The difference is that BTAS has mutant virus potions rather than gambling additions so you see less people robbing convenience stores, and more people turning into lizard creatures and put in an asylum... for some reason.
Same reason they made Kyle Rayner and Tim Drake so similar to Hal Jordan and Jason Todd, the DCAU is full of these composite characters with the less-fitting names.
He became a monster.
just shapeshift back
Forgot what he actually looks like after a career of using plastic surgery for every new role
why not just revert to one of his favorite looks then
surely he can train to hold it out for longer
Asking the real questions here. Thanks anons. Clayface need to stop being lazy and train his power. You think Plasticman could do all the shit he could day one? Nope.
Listen SSJSatan it's just inconceivable that would work. No one in BTAS wants to stop being a supervillain as much as Matt Hagen/Clayface. He doesn't want to be robbing chemical companies, stealing TVs from a mall or be playing into the fangirl fantasies of a grad student. He wants his life back, and he could literally have it if he mastered his powers. What is he doing with his days if not trying to hold himself together? FFS He only joins Grodd because he says
>Oh I can help you with that whole mudman thing
You're comparing Plasticman to Clayface and pretending like the latter doesn't have a degenerative condition and isn't literally falling apart and molting to the verge of losing his body all the goddamn time. And the worst part is there's really no hope for the guy. He can't get surrender to the cops and get therapy, or social support from the state. His only choice is to agree to whatever any scientist says that think they can fix him.
Batman's whole autism is that HE (as Bruce) wants to cure Clayface so that HE can force him to go to jail afterwards.
>so that HE can force him to go to jail afterwards
That's bullshit.
Bats autism is trying to SAVE everyone. He wants Clayface cured so that he can just be a normal homie again.
Most of his rogue's gallery are people who genuinely need help, but for some reason or another won't accept it or get pulled back into crime after they served their time.
That's why his main foil is Joker, the guy who obviously needs help, but wants to make everyone else as crazy as him.
>Most of his rogue's gallery are people who genuinely need help, but for some reason or another won't accept it or get pulled back into crime after they served their time.
I don't know about that in BTAS. Maybe 5 of the rogues are just addled normal people. Dent, Wesker, Hagen, Quinn if you buy all her postfacto shit, and possibly Maxie Zeus if we don't peel too far into his past.
Dent had a split personality he was receiving treatment for before he was pushed over the edge. He is the clear "Could benefit from help" example but is too big to realistically stick. Wesker is kind of a joke but just like Dent he gets psychotherapy and he actually did recover in TNBA. Hagen was blackmailed into corporate espionage in order to keep a semblance of a normal life then basically poisoned by the goons of the company backmailing him and wound up a pile of chemicals: he's not mentally deficient just enraged at the fact he'd been all but murdered and desperate. And Zeus was living in a perpetual delusional state, I'm not sure exactly when that started.
But Croc, Penguin, Ivy, Hatter, Krane, Strange, Freeze, Riddler, Clock King, all the mobsters counting the Joker: they very consciously chose to be criminals. Temple's obsession with time and hatred towards Hill for making him late once isn't a justifiable reason to devote his life to revenge. He missed one court date, even if his firm closed down he can get another job as a lawyer he doesn't need to spend years planning revenge. Hell I'd throw Calendar Girl, Baby Doll, Langstrum and Quinn in there too. Even though they definitely need help: I don't get the sense they're incapable of telling right from wrong just petty, vengeful, wrapped up in any other number of normal emotions that lead people to make mistakes and do crimes, or in the case of Langstrum an addict.
>Bats autism is trying to SAVE everyone.
But also to make them properly serve their time for their crimes. Can't exactly expect Clayface to do that when no prison cell can hold him.
Its like tensing a muscle, he can only hold it for so long.
He doesn't seem to have a problem maintaining a shape for however long it takes when he's up to supervillain shenanigans.
He was going to but some moron in a bat costume stopped him.
Exactly, in justice league cartoon, clayface was actually going to depower himself, and be fully human but Batman stopped him for stealing the supplies despite knowing why he needed them, Batman actually knows what is needed to cure him and has every resource available to do so, but he rather keep him a monster
When the frick was this? OR are you critically confusing the plot of mudslide?
they should've just used a different batman rep for it honestly
Idk what the writers were thinking there.
He did it because he knows his rogues are his main draw
Brown
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It's the clay
I'm still convinced to this day that the writer of this episode had a Jeff Magnum-tier fetish for Anne Frank and shoehorned it into the show.
Probably a Southerner given how many the Anne Frank coomers are from the South
I like his cop background from The Batman. That was cool.
His design in that was great
Then they made a second one just so they could make the cop normal again. I really liked the cop but wish he had more episodes after he was saved.
Except that bit of the Joker making him a villain because of making him start at a spinning disk thing for too long.
I like how he had a few episodes before his actual origin
Ethan Bennetts tenure as Clayface was such a good arc in that show. Granted it was kind of two-face esque but it did something more as it had Ethan flip back and forth between being a good guy and being a bad guy. Like in some later eps, Batman stops referring to him as Bennet and just as 'Clayface'.
It's a shame they cut his time as clayface short and replaced him with a far less interesting Clayface 2.0. Heck alot of the villains in that show had some of the best reworks that unfortunately didn't see much use beyond just that show.
Also Ethan was far more pragmatic as Clayface. I guess that's what happens when you are a former office and not a failed actor.
>and not a failed actor
why doesn't he just go back to acting is he stupid?
I liked how The Batman Strikes gave him more use. There was a two-parter where he posed as Catwoman and framed her for his crimes. The bigger surprise was that they were crimes he once foiled as Bennett, so he could cement his new life as Clayface. I also liked the story where he's having a breakdown and Hugo Strange manipulates him for his own ends.
he was just twoface but given an actual super power and no 2 gimmick
the 2 get gimmick is goofy anyways
Yeah Two Face should get a new facial scar every so often so he gets obsessed with the number three, four, five, and eventually settles down to start a bakery when he hits 13.
YES
Clayface is an actor. He's not a scientist. He's been trying to cure himself for years and all he does is steal stuff, fail, and cause more trouble. If Batman can't cure him then Clayface sure as hell isn't going to do it. That's like getting mad at Batman for stopping someone from robbing banks for money because they need a cure for being broke.
Maybe he wouldn't need to steal if he just made an Onlyfans
Then he'd be DMCA'd by whoever the owner of the IP of the vulva he pirated is.
What if he just impersonated the owner of the IP then and retracted it
..Huh. I know this is a pedantic question, but... What would a supervillainess porn fansite be called?
Mollslist?
InstaCrime?
OnlyFoes?
LexVideos
I mean dude is mush, I imagine his brain is all fricked up.
schizophrenia, and an actor whose whole life is based off being someone else than himself
Having absolute power does that to people.
And it challenges authority. That authority being Batman.
Every person who got godlike powers will become corrupted and evil.
what about superman?
Superman, vanguard of Darkseid's invasion of earth?
martian manhunter then
The communist?
idk plastic man seems pretty chill & he has similar powers
The mobster?
what about the flash
the loser?
ha! see not corrupted & evil
Turning into a clay guy or a stupid bat monster is impressive I guess, but calling that "godlike"' is a pretty big stretch.
Well, To them, especially humans, they're think they got godlike powers when it's not entirely true.
this is sick as hell i need to continue tas
Bro that's episode 1. You need to start.
man-bat will always be a more interesting character than batman
With your great science you don't have to turn into a bat! You can cure cancer and disease!
I don't want to cure cancer! I want to turn into a bat!
Don't steal marvel lines dc boi.
What the frick was his problem
Dinosaurs are cool!
he was a filthty scalie
Something to do with crystals, probably.
To be fair, Kirk’s brain was altered by the serum.
Kirk fricking up his marriage with Francine to chase the black flying-fox will never not piss me off. Dude had peak hot nerdwife and threw it all away.
I thought he stopped it and it was the creepy other doctor who continued it?
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Frickin based, especially on the demonic voice
You know, I really wish we had the same thing with Francine transformed into Manbat while she laughed maniacally especially on the demonic voice. While she did turn into one, she wasn't that kind of woman who felt corrupted or evil herself even when the bat serum was in her unlike how her husband was, so I made this fan edit to show that this would happens if Francine's brain was altered by the serum, making her corrupted and evil as well. Also, do you think that this "what if" version of her is more appealing than what we got in BTAS or not.
My edit skills isn't that good but I had fan using only MS Paint and a mouse 🙂
Hmmm. The details and dedication to these edits. The time spent on a seemingly unimportant concept...
Alfred, this is no ordinary edit. This is someone's kink. Check the internet for any artists that have been commissioned for any female Manbat pieces recently. If we find them we'll find our man.
I remember owning the VHS of this episode as a kid
Wasn't it implied he had mental illness issues / addiction as a result of the transformations and became increasingly more violent?
imagine if he turned into a hot girl and let you frick him haha wouldn't that be weird haha it would be like ohhh no haha batman haha save me ha clayface wants me haha to frick haha his clay pussy haha haha
There is literally a female Clayface you coulda simped for you homo
No, it's hotter this way.
You do you I guess
would he work better grounded or fantastical for the reevesverse?
He was gay
He was gay, Matt Hagen?
what
Aren't there multiple?
From my point of view, Batman is evil!
>t. harvey bullock
>He lost everything he held dear to himself.
>Brain turned to moosh.
>Werewolf complex of raw anger and emotion from a unwilling monstrous change (still one the best moments in BTAS)
He's still one of my favorite Batman villains because he's a very flexible character with a simple background origin and pun intended he can literally be molded into any role with his past profession and skills. If it wasn't for his massive weakness to liquids he'd be a much better villain.
wouldnt he be too op without his liquid weakness?
>Can become anyone or anything
>Decides to become a walking pile of shit that roams the sewers
You may not like it but this is the ideal male body looks like
The chemicals that was in the renuyu he was force to ingest messed up his mind as well as mutate his body. Even before he was forced to OD on the stuff you can see what using small amounts of the stuff over a few years has messed with his head.
Is Annie a separate entity? A part of Hagen's psyche that was able to make it's own form after being away from Clayface for long enough? A fully aware Clayface merely playing a role?
Marry Annie
Don't do that.
Annie is too pure
How come she was never used again?
Wasn't there something like that in Beyond? Maybe I was always mixing it up with
but I could have sworn they showed up in that series.
she wasn't real
Dead.
Except she recently showed up in a Harley Quinn comic.
she did?
tell us more anon
i got pictures
Now redraw those two panels so it's little girl Annie in a showgirl costume and hanging around with a group of teen girls.
nevermind i saw it
She represents his desire to frick men.
average batman rogue
>shapeshifting clay GF
imagine all the fetishplay
That's basically just Inque.
But Annie is puré.
Inque can't change color though
You gotta ask yourself how everything turning to putty effects brain chemistry
he was always evil. all men are.
All actors are fundamentally awful human beings.
makes sense
What are some lewd outfits Annie would look good in?
Any. But there's aways my personal favorite of Tourbillon's slave Ahsoka design.
Keep em coming anon.
Playboy bunny suit.
Weak. Should be a reverse bunny suit.
Naked apron.
I always thought he was made of face lotion
He's a theatrical homosexual with a huge ego that was turned into a literal monster. He wasn't exactly a good person to begin with, just famous. It's possible the change also messed up his mental state as well.
Anyone got the comic where she gets turned into a vase and sent to Robin?
somebody called him gayface and he never got over it.
Was making his disguise a hot woman necessary?
it was necessary to the plot
Because great power requires great responsibility
cause he lives in Gotham
but so the riddler and he did nothing wrong
Name one person in Gotham who isn’t insane, evil, or on the verge of being both
Sid the Squid.
meee :3
Revenge.
And after being disfigured he had to steal to survive.
no disability benefits
deserved
I think it depends on the episodes.
Sometimes, it seems like he's gone insane from the translation.
Sometimes, it's revenge.
Sometimes, it's desperation.
Sometimes, he's just there to punch Batman like everybody else from Arkham just to be one of the bad guys.
Like most of the BTAS villains, he was a victim of the circumstances and pushed into an unwinnable corner. The difference is that BTAS has mutant virus potions rather than gambling additions so you see less people robbing convenience stores, and more people turning into lizard creatures and put in an asylum... for some reason.
Why did they make Matt Hagen an actor instead of just going with Basil Karlo?
Have you seen the rest of the DCAU?
Only a few episodes and Mask of the Phantasm.
Same reason they made Kyle Rayner and Tim Drake so similar to Hal Jordan and Jason Todd, the DCAU is full of these composite characters with the less-fitting names.
That's so random.
Take favorite villain put him in new show, and the finger on the monkey's paw curls.
atleast hes still alive in it ;-;
But he's the best part of that show
Who here knows about the Clayfaces from the actual comics though?
I know there's like 8 + a bunch of derivatives, but I liked Basil in Rebirth.
Does he still have the ability to frick people up just by touching them?
No, I don't think so.
Did they retcon how he got his powers too?
He got a backstory inspired from BTAS.
Did it retcon his "guy in a mask with a knife" phase too?
During Rebirth at least, right now with the whole "everything is canon", depends on how the writer feels about it.