There's a real issue with modern fandoms being incapable of judging reboots/spin-offs on their own merit, even when they make it clear that they're NON-CANON and STANDALONE. The Patrick Star Show sucks because it's too loud & in-your-face with its comedy and uses elaborate cartoony animation as a substitute for well-timed gags, not because Patrick's parents have new designs or because "the show goes against Hillenburg's wishes."
Velma sucks because it lacks sincerity, its meta/feminist commentary is more obnoxious than clever, and half its main cast is insufferable. But what did most people whine about? That's right. That it's "unfaithful."
Yeah Nu-Clone High being standalone would've made it easier to stomach how lame it is, but not by much.
Modern fandoms are incapable of doing this because there are people on the internet that make money from getting as many people as possible upset at differences in adaptation
I was excited at first, hated the first ep, second ep with the online discourse was fricking great, actually made me laugh out loud...and then everything else was complete shit
>Joan says shows that only had one female character are sexist >Looks at the audience >Clone high had 2 female characters >Out if a cast of 5 characters >Cleo was kill in the reboot >Went from being an actual character to a fricking sexual object >Only exists as a romantic interest for a nuclone >Acts like a princess in distress during the entirety of the last episode >Still shown in posters and promotional material interacting with character she never spoke to in the actual show >Nuclone high features less writing for female characters than the original show dud
>Joan says shows that only had one female character are sexist
Worse, she said that the original show only had one woman in the writer's room. Seeing how this show turned out, it takes a stunning lack of self-awareness to even make this statement.
I don't know, was it? >Lord: I'd say if anything has evolved since the pitch, it's that the show got more affectionate for all the characters, and it got a lot more sympathetic. The things that turned out to be the funniest were the ones that were honestly the warmest.
>Rivinoja: We always thought that Abe was the hero in it and he was our POV guy and we loved him, and people don’t. People hate Abe and think he’s such a turd. Chris and Phil were like, “We need more Abe stories,” and I was trying to say, “A lot of these young writers don’t want to hear from Abe ever again.” Even though at the time we thought Abe was our way in, I think it was really Joan.
Lord and Miller didn't write the new season besides the first episode, which explains why it sucks compared to something like 21 Jump Street. Being sincere is no excuse.
Ironically Season 1 was WAY more sincere than anything out of Season 2. Joan's legitimate fear of not risking ruining her friendship with Abe, JFK always trying to keep up a hyper masculine front to compensate for his gay dads, Ghandi crumbling under the stress of living up to Ghandi's legacy, etc. The show was coated in satire, but the motivations behind the characters and their actions were very real. That's why when the show bothered to do emotional moments, even when they were treated as a joke, they tend to resonate with the audience far more than what anyone would expect out of this show.
And then season 2 threw away all of that. Now every returning character is a walking caricature of their former selves, while all the new cast members were inoffensive sludge that lacked any sort of personality or motivations at all.
The thing is 21 Jump Street was a MOVIE. Sincerity is kind of required on a project of that scale. You see it in all of Lord & Miller's films. Clone High on the other hand is almost ALL parody. S2 wasn't more sincere, it was just too soft.
This. I think the new clones could've worked out well if the writers leaned more into the satire aspect and actually allowed the characters to be funny and develop more of a personality. There's a reason Topher worked so well and actually felt like he would've fit as a character in the original show.
I think the show has potential but it feels like the writers were holding back from pulling any punches idk.
Jeannette Arroyo understands the show and its comedic potential better than Rivinoja or any of the new writers. It's just sad to see 'em fumble the bag so hard...
Seeing how much of a terror they were during production, I'm starting to doubt that. Maybe they've had a writing crew that's beek carrying them or their fame has gotten to their head. Either way, L&M needs some serious introspection.
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Nah, they—or at least Lord—are just bad at sticking to a deadline and following through on a strict vision early enough in production. They're good at what they do, but they're just too indecisive: https://twitter.com/michaelrianda/status/1506001073684713475
Maybe it's a little bit of fame getting to their heads, but I think it's more that their status and impressive body of work keeps people from ever telling them "No." Hopefully that exposé from a while back gave them a slap of reality.
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Chris Miller was probably too busy with The Afterparty to wrangle Lord, and it's actually ridiculous how much better it is because of his close involvement. They really got the WORST people to write the new Clone High.
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it's the mom isn't it
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>Seeing how much of a terror they were during production, I'm starting to doubt that.
Do you have any sources on this? I'm curious to know more about how they might've bungled spider-verse.
>I'd say if anything has evolved since the pitch, it's that the show got more affectionate for all the characters, and it got a lot more sympathetic. The things that turned out to be the funniest were the ones that were honestly the warmest.
Hugbox writing.
It went from a parody of 90s teen dramas to a parody of 2010s teen dramas. It was great. All that was missing was them all developing super-powers or Joan becoming a were-Heebie Jeebie.
>now that the dust has settled
You didn't need to wait for it to be over to know it was bad when you could watch it get progressively worse as it went on. You should've seen the weekly threads for the show when episodes were still being released.
>It went from a parody of 90s teen dramas to a parody of 2010s teen dramas
In what way lmao
You get Riverdale in the constant unannounced-and-summarily-discarded paranormal incursions and in Joan's obsession with a 1950's style diner and in the murder cover-up. The musical two-parter is a blatant TSM:TM:TS spoof. The spring break episode is just Yellowjackets in a desert.
>You get Riverdale in the constant unannounced-and-summarily-discarded paranormal incursions and in Joan's obsession with a 1950's style diner
How is that parodying anything from the 10's though? The grassy knoll was a already an existing 50s styled diner in the original, that's not even a Riverdale specific thing.
>to a parody of 2010s teen dramas
It really wasn’t. To do that would require an episode one murder mystery, and everyone is gloomy and a bit edgy. Joan is happy as she feels she’s found her people while the others are constantly culture shocked by how grim it all is.
It was the most painfully mediocre thing I've ever watched and I hate seeing how many people are being suckered into them promising Gandhi's return if the show does well as if it isn't the most obvious beg for views I've seen.
I honestly don't believe that a hunger strike ever took place over this show, I've never seen a certified source and it always sounded like a conspiracy on why Clone High never continued past Season 1
First four episodes I thought it wasn't that bad, it seemed like it was getting better so I thought the trend would continue. >Intro Ep >Sleepovers >Anxiety Monster >Prom Queen Ep
And then episode 5 was the Harriet musical episode and the show regressed majorly after that. New characters could've been utilized better, Confucius was cute, but the only one that contributed anything good was Topher.
It seems like characters aren't allowed to be unapologetic buttholes anymore without shows needing constant unironic commentary on how they're bad people.
This. I think the new clones could've worked out well if the writers leaned more into the satire aspect and actually allowed the characters to be funny and develop more of a personality. There's a reason Topher worked so well and actually felt like he would've fit as a character in the original show.
I think the show has potential but it feels like the writers were holding back from pulling any punches idk.
The thing is 21 Jump Street was a MOVIE. Sincerity is kind of required on a project of that scale. You see it in all of Lord & Miller's films. Clone High on the other hand is almost ALL parody. S2 wasn't more sincere, it was just too soft.
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Jeannette Arroyo understands the show and its comedic potential better than Rivinoja or any of the new writers. It's just sad to see 'em fumble the bag so hard...
Eh, it was acceptable. Probably like a 6.5-7/10.
Really hope Season 3 can improve though.
Everyone agrees that For Your Consideration is the best episode, right?
I felt the opposite actually. Thought the season improved after Episode 5.
i knew it wasn't gonna remotely the same when it was confirmed we weren't getting any emo background music like the first season when they regularly used stuff from the Polyvinyl Records library. A good 90% of season 2 is generic stock background music (except for the always great stuff Tommy from Abandoned Pools made)
That's because modern teen shows stopped using emo alt-rock and switched to emo alt-pop/rap, although only one use of that stuck out to me in the new season.
Oh yeah I'm well aware of the musical culture-shift and change between seasons, and while I was extremely disappointed we weren't gonna get similar stuff like season 1 again, the fact we didn't even get a good current batch of music from today for nearly all of season 2 really struck me. Season 1 in 2002 had tracks from American Football, more than a decade before they caught on big and hit emo meme status. The guys who were picking the music for season 1 really knew what the frick they were choosing and going for. I didn't remotely get that same level of care for most of season 2, because it was mostly stock music, outside of the few handful of actual songs, and even then very little of them had any impact. Abandoned Pools was great to have back, and Tommy made some good stuff, but outside of his stuff and maybe one other track, season 2 had nothing.
>the fact we didn't even get a good current batch of music from today for nearly all of season 2 really struck me
Guessing that's because not being on MTV meant they lacked the same music availability.
This sucks cuz Season 3 was written long before Season 2 ever premiered. Whatever audience feedback the crew has since gotten (Topher being a standout character, Harriet's awful design, the awkward characterization of OF clones) is too late to be implemented into the show unless it does well enough to earn a fourth season. I'm not expecting much out of the next 10 episodes.
It wasn’t the worst thing ever, but it’s a big drop from the original season.
There are two core problems:
1) The original was a parody of teen dramas, this one became a teen drama
2) It feels like the characters didn’t understand any of the original characters, and it’s debatable if they really got their new ones either
There’s still some laughs, and Scudworth remains the best character even with the simping for the new woman with Cleos old voice. But it’s weird how it feels like it will become more dated than the original because it doesn’t know what it wants to be.
Not saying that the revival was anything amazing but let's all be honest it was fine but there was no way a Clone High revival was ever going to live up to the hype. At the end of the day it wasn't bad, it just wasn't what everyone wanted.
Oh piss off, this show was flat out BAD. People weren't asking a whole lotz just at least have SOME of the humor of the original while following the plot threads the show set up already. But it didn't do ANY of that, it derailed the whole show and turned it into a glorified fanfic by some tumblr user that didn't watch the show outside of some tiktok clips and memes.
It would be one thing if it was merely disappointing. But it wasn't, even by its own merits it's legitimately awful.
why are you all pretending Clone High was a big deal? it got another season 2 decades later. if you didn't like then you don't understand how old you are.
Some gags like this felt like classic over-the-top Clone High, but it either happened too sparingly or just wasn't executed in as funny a manner (see: anything with Harriet)
Too sparingly is right, it feels like they're constantly embarrassed to be making jokes the old show would make despite them still being funny. They literally apologized to the viewers on multiple occassions
I genuinely don't get the hate for the new season. it captures the spirit of the first season while updating itself to a new era of tv. while the lows were lower than season 1it wasn't by a large margin.
did you guys expect it to keep making fun of highschool drama tropes from 20+ years ago? Did you want the show to make fun of the shitty netflix teen dramas of today where everyone are just drug addicted bawds?
>I genuinely don't get the hate for the new season. it captures the spirit of the first season while updating itself to a new era of tv
Sure it does >Did you want the show to make fun of the shitty netflix teen dramas of today where everyone are just drug addicted bawds?
They made fun of shitty teen dramas then too, so I'm not sure what's the problem.
The biggest problem with this episode is definitely what a missed opportunity it is, the concept fits perfectly with the theme of the show but the execution is genuinely awful. It's written like those dime a dozen cheap cartoons Canada was churning out with the writer's thinly veiled festish inserted, it plays out like some lost Johnny Test episode. If there was an episode to insert teen drama and play those tropes this would've been the episode to do it, how do you frick up a home coming episode that badly?
Frida:
- As much of a mean girl as Cleo, just in a different way. Mindlessly abides by “cancel culture” and has anyone deemed un-pc shunned and excommunicated.
- Does paintings that are very shallow with unsubtle meanings (unintentional). She’s actually just an idiot who doesn’t have the ability to create or recognize subtlety or deeper meaning.
Confucius:
- everybody thinks he gives great advice since he’s the clone of Confucius. In actuality he actually gives the most basic, obvious, and cliche advice possible.
- Popular on social media for his “hot takes”
- Deep down he knows he’s a fraud
Topher:
- pretty much the same as he is in the show, just better utilized.
- Deathly afraid of cancel culture, he constantly walks on eggshells and has internal freak outs when he thinks he may have used the wrong words. In reality nobody actually pays attention to him
- Maybe in an episode he asks Confucius for advice and he is told to just “be himself”. This goes horribly wrong. Topher does a total 180 and it is implied that he holds the complete opposite views of the ones that he previously expressed. We never actually hear what his opinions are, we just see the reactions of the other students. He then goes back to Confucius and yells at him for giving him bad advice. Topher tries to go back to the way he was before, but it’s too late and no one is buying it.
Harriet:
- feels like she has to be a “model minority” to live up to her clone mother
- Has white foster parents
- Maybe have an episode where she’s accused of not acting “black enough”. She takes this to heart and by the end of the episode ends up embodying every single black stereotype (ironically becoming a racist caricature).
I like what you have for Topher and Confucius but I'm so sick of commentaries on cancel culture, sojus shit, whatever you want to call it. I don't think it would be a good idea to have their personalities or the show revolve around it, we already got a taste of this in the revival and outside of Topher changing his name it wasn't very good. It felt dated already.
no more cancel culture takes, I think ultimately it was never as huge a deal as people made it out to be which is why its a relative blip in online discourse compared to other things. Everyone else is fine.
>Popular on social media for his “hot takes”
I thought the whole joke with Confucius is that he's a permanently online trend chasing attention prostitute? Making him popular flies completely in the face of that. Just axe either Frida or Harriet, they're the worst part of the new series and have no good jokes.
Someone online had a hilarious take for harriet tubman where she's an idiot; she'd be obsessed with model trains because she'd think the underground railroad was about actual trains so that's how she'd try to live up to her namesake.
>Gandhi joining the student hotline >Abe trying to resolve fights >Joan thinking she was being contacted by a higher being due to her fricked up retainer >literally anything with Cleo or JFK
???
Only time season 2 made me laugh out loud. I feel like a lot of the jokes had the potential to be good but had poor timing/delivery whereas here it excels on both aspects.
I don't know if you've noticed but the old cast also have plain designs, that's not a bad thing. They're supposed to express their personalities through what they do and not through some saturated, garish design.
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>goth Joan is a plain design >unnaturally tall Abe is a plain design >JFK with both junk and butt bulging out is a plain design >but Harriet's overly colorful get up is too much
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>Harriet's overly colorful get up is too much
Yes
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>media illiterate and just plain illiterate
must suck
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It's ugly and nothing is going to change that no matter what terms you throw around.
>Confucius clone >don't make any jokes about him trying to act like his namesake >don't even give him his beard
honestly with the exception frida and topher none of the characters tie in or even relate to their clone parents
yes
it was VERY VERY mediocre.
People would be slightly less disappointed if this wasn't the canon continuation
Verrrrrrrrry slightly less disappointed.
There's a real issue with modern fandoms being incapable of judging reboots/spin-offs on their own merit, even when they make it clear that they're NON-CANON and STANDALONE. The Patrick Star Show sucks because it's too loud & in-your-face with its comedy and uses elaborate cartoony animation as a substitute for well-timed gags, not because Patrick's parents have new designs or because "the show goes against Hillenburg's wishes."
Velma sucks because it lacks sincerity, its meta/feminist commentary is more obnoxious than clever, and half its main cast is insufferable. But what did most people whine about? That's right. That it's "unfaithful."
Yeah Nu-Clone High being standalone would've made it easier to stomach how lame it is, but not by much.
Modern fandoms are incapable of doing this because there are people on the internet that make money from getting as many people as possible upset at differences in adaptation
People would be less disappointed if they hadn't hired a whole team of writers who hated everything about the old show.
no
I was excited at first, hated the first ep, second ep with the online discourse was fricking great, actually made me laugh out loud...and then everything else was complete shit
>Joan says shows that only had one female character are sexist
>Looks at the audience
>Clone high had 2 female characters
>Out if a cast of 5 characters
>Cleo was kill in the reboot
>Went from being an actual character to a fricking sexual object
>Only exists as a romantic interest for a nuclone
>Acts like a princess in distress during the entirety of the last episode
>Still shown in posters and promotional material interacting with character she never spoke to in the actual show
>Nuclone high features less writing for female characters than the original show dud
>Joan says shows that only had one female character are sexist
Worse, she said that the original show only had one woman in the writer's room. Seeing how this show turned out, it takes a stunning lack of self-awareness to even make this statement.
I don't know, was it?
>Lord: I'd say if anything has evolved since the pitch, it's that the show got more affectionate for all the characters, and it got a lot more sympathetic. The things that turned out to be the funniest were the ones that were honestly the warmest.
>Rivinoja: We always thought that Abe was the hero in it and he was our POV guy and we loved him, and people don’t. People hate Abe and think he’s such a turd. Chris and Phil were like, “We need more Abe stories,” and I was trying to say, “A lot of these young writers don’t want to hear from Abe ever again.” Even though at the time we thought Abe was our way in, I think it was really Joan.
They really just gave in to the new writers
No, L&M just dont write like that nowadays. Just look at the 21 jump street reboot. Despite essentially being a satire they're still sincere.
Lord and Miller didn't write the new season besides the first episode, which explains why it sucks compared to something like 21 Jump Street. Being sincere is no excuse.
Ironically Season 1 was WAY more sincere than anything out of Season 2. Joan's legitimate fear of not risking ruining her friendship with Abe, JFK always trying to keep up a hyper masculine front to compensate for his gay dads, Ghandi crumbling under the stress of living up to Ghandi's legacy, etc. The show was coated in satire, but the motivations behind the characters and their actions were very real. That's why when the show bothered to do emotional moments, even when they were treated as a joke, they tend to resonate with the audience far more than what anyone would expect out of this show.
And then season 2 threw away all of that. Now every returning character is a walking caricature of their former selves, while all the new cast members were inoffensive sludge that lacked any sort of personality or motivations at all.
The thing is 21 Jump Street was a MOVIE. Sincerity is kind of required on a project of that scale. You see it in all of Lord & Miller's films. Clone High on the other hand is almost ALL parody. S2 wasn't more sincere, it was just too soft.
Jeannette Arroyo understands the show and its comedic potential better than Rivinoja or any of the new writers. It's just sad to see 'em fumble the bag so hard...
I don't think Spider-Verse 2 could've been even remotely as good without them writing.
Seeing how much of a terror they were during production, I'm starting to doubt that. Maybe they've had a writing crew that's beek carrying them or their fame has gotten to their head. Either way, L&M needs some serious introspection.
Nah, they—or at least Lord—are just bad at sticking to a deadline and following through on a strict vision early enough in production. They're good at what they do, but they're just too indecisive: https://twitter.com/michaelrianda/status/1506001073684713475
Maybe it's a little bit of fame getting to their heads, but I think it's more that their status and impressive body of work keeps people from ever telling them "No." Hopefully that exposé from a while back gave them a slap of reality.
Chris Miller was probably too busy with The Afterparty to wrangle Lord, and it's actually ridiculous how much better it is because of his close involvement. They really got the WORST people to write the new Clone High.
it's the mom isn't it
>Seeing how much of a terror they were during production, I'm starting to doubt that.
Do you have any sources on this? I'm curious to know more about how they might've bungled spider-verse.
https://www.vulture.com/2023/06/spider-verse-animation-four-artists-on-making-the-sequel.html
She's just so BAD, bro…
Cloudy was a good movie. I still haven't seen the sequel tho. Same for the second LEGO Movie.
The Jello sequence was my fav
>I'd say if anything has evolved since the pitch, it's that the show got more affectionate for all the characters, and it got a lot more sympathetic. The things that turned out to be the funniest were the ones that were honestly the warmest.
Hugbox writing.
Such a shame, at least we have season 1.
Yes
>What if this show became everything it once mocked
Yes
Explain
A shitty teen drama with bad writings and lame characters.
They focused on capitulating to outspoken people who never even enjoyed or fully appreciated the original show. It was shitty to see.
It went from a parody of 90s teen dramas to a parody of 2010s teen dramas. It was great. All that was missing was them all developing super-powers or Joan becoming a were-Heebie Jeebie.
>parody 2010s teen drama
Lol what? It felt they were trying emulate it not parody it.
>now that the dust has settled
You didn't need to wait for it to be over to know it was bad when you could watch it get progressively worse as it went on. You should've seen the weekly threads for the show when episodes were still being released.
>It went from a parody of 90s teen dramas to a parody of 2010s teen dramas
In what way lmao
You get Riverdale in the constant unannounced-and-summarily-discarded paranormal incursions and in Joan's obsession with a 1950's style diner and in the murder cover-up. The musical two-parter is a blatant TSM:TM:TS spoof. The spring break episode is just Yellowjackets in a desert.
>You get Riverdale in the constant unannounced-and-summarily-discarded paranormal incursions and in Joan's obsession with a 1950's style diner
How is that parodying anything from the 10's though? The grassy knoll was a already an existing 50s styled diner in the original, that's not even a Riverdale specific thing.
>to a parody of 2010s teen dramas
It really wasn’t. To do that would require an episode one murder mystery, and everyone is gloomy and a bit edgy. Joan is happy as she feels she’s found her people while the others are constantly culture shocked by how grim it all is.
Bland, safe, conformist, soulless.
It was the most painfully mediocre thing I've ever watched and I hate seeing how many people are being suckered into them promising Gandhi's return if the show does well as if it isn't the most obvious beg for views I've seen.
I honestly don't believe that a hunger strike ever took place over this show, I've never seen a certified source and it always sounded like a conspiracy on why Clone High never continued past Season 1
First four episodes I thought it wasn't that bad, it seemed like it was getting better so I thought the trend would continue.
>Intro Ep
>Sleepovers
>Anxiety Monster
>Prom Queen Ep
And then episode 5 was the Harriet musical episode and the show regressed majorly after that. New characters could've been utilized better, Confucius was cute, but the only one that contributed anything good was Topher.
It seems like characters aren't allowed to be unapologetic buttholes anymore without shows needing constant unironic commentary on how they're bad people.
This. I think the new clones could've worked out well if the writers leaned more into the satire aspect and actually allowed the characters to be funny and develop more of a personality. There's a reason Topher worked so well and actually felt like he would've fit as a character in the original show.
I think the show has potential but it feels like the writers were holding back from pulling any punches idk.
Eh, it was acceptable. Probably like a 6.5-7/10.
Really hope Season 3 can improve though.
Everyone agrees that For Your Consideration is the best episode, right?
I felt the opposite actually. Thought the season improved after Episode 5.
Even more
It was okay. Harmless at worst, but it wasn’t anything special.
It was miserable, and only proved the new "fans" of the show fundamentally didn't understand the first season.
No, but it was never going to beat S1. People set their expectations too high.
It alright. It not subtle or nuanced. It tasteless and lukewarm.
Same beer?
i knew it wasn't gonna remotely the same when it was confirmed we weren't getting any emo background music like the first season when they regularly used stuff from the Polyvinyl Records library. A good 90% of season 2 is generic stock background music (except for the always great stuff Tommy from Abandoned Pools made)
That's because modern teen shows stopped using emo alt-rock and switched to emo alt-pop/rap, although only one use of that stuck out to me in the new season.
what episode
Episode 8 when Joan walks into the pool to scream.
Oh yeah I'm well aware of the musical culture-shift and change between seasons, and while I was extremely disappointed we weren't gonna get similar stuff like season 1 again, the fact we didn't even get a good current batch of music from today for nearly all of season 2 really struck me. Season 1 in 2002 had tracks from American Football, more than a decade before they caught on big and hit emo meme status. The guys who were picking the music for season 1 really knew what the frick they were choosing and going for. I didn't remotely get that same level of care for most of season 2, because it was mostly stock music, outside of the few handful of actual songs, and even then very little of them had any impact. Abandoned Pools was great to have back, and Tommy made some good stuff, but outside of his stuff and maybe one other track, season 2 had nothing.
>the fact we didn't even get a good current batch of music from today for nearly all of season 2 really struck me
Guessing that's because not being on MTV meant they lacked the same music availability.
This guy gets it.
Only good episode was the first one. Second one was okay. Confucius was alright but Topher was great, only solid part of the new show.
This sucks cuz Season 3 was written long before Season 2 ever premiered. Whatever audience feedback the crew has since gotten (Topher being a standout character, Harriet's awful design, the awkward characterization of OF clones) is too late to be implemented into the show unless it does well enough to earn a fourth season. I'm not expecting much out of the next 10 episodes.
Italians do not deserve respect.
It wasn’t the worst thing ever, but it’s a big drop from the original season.
There are two core problems:
1) The original was a parody of teen dramas, this one became a teen drama
2) It feels like the characters didn’t understand any of the original characters, and it’s debatable if they really got their new ones either
There’s still some laughs, and Scudworth remains the best character even with the simping for the new woman with Cleos old voice. But it’s weird how it feels like it will become more dated than the original because it doesn’t know what it wants to be.
It was as bad as everyone thought it would be.
feels like AT situation where writers started hating the main character.
>Scudworth remains the best character even with the simping for the new woman with Cleos old voice
To be fair, she's got Cleo's voice and a fat ass.
>Scudworth remains the best character
Lord and Miller dont make things with no sincerity anymore. Thats why the reboot pretty much plays the drama straight.
It was okay. Not the comedic highs of the original, but not godawful or anything.
Still enjoy Mr. B. Still miss Gandhi.
Not saying that the revival was anything amazing but let's all be honest it was fine but there was no way a Clone High revival was ever going to live up to the hype. At the end of the day it wasn't bad, it just wasn't what everyone wanted.
Oh piss off, this show was flat out BAD. People weren't asking a whole lotz just at least have SOME of the humor of the original while following the plot threads the show set up already. But it didn't do ANY of that, it derailed the whole show and turned it into a glorified fanfic by some tumblr user that didn't watch the show outside of some tiktok clips and memes.
It would be one thing if it was merely disappointing. But it wasn't, even by its own merits it's legitimately awful.
why are you all pretending Clone High was a big deal? it got another season 2 decades later. if you didn't like then you don't understand how old you are.
>the original show wasn't a big deal
>but we're rebooting it anyway because frick you
This mindset explains why every reboot sucks balls.
it's not a reboot, you dolt.
reboot revival, tomato potato
It may as well be when it's barely even the same show barring the name.
Some gags like this felt like classic over-the-top Clone High, but it either happened too sparingly or just wasn't executed in as funny a manner (see: anything with Harriet)
Too sparingly is right, it feels like they're constantly embarrassed to be making jokes the old show would make despite them still being funny. They literally apologized to the viewers on multiple occassions
the new season? yeah
Seriously feels dead without Ghandi, despite how the new mains stand out. Except Topher, he feels like a last-minute addition
topher was the best new addition what are you on about?
Gandhi's absence was surprisingly not that jarring for me. S2 still sucked tho
theme song still a bop so at least thats something
Maybe they'll make another one for S3, they need to update some stuff
Yeah but they fricked up the formatting of the cold opens
Proof that sometimes gatekeeping is good
I genuinely don't get the hate for the new season. it captures the spirit of the first season while updating itself to a new era of tv. while the lows were lower than season 1it wasn't by a large margin.
did you guys expect it to keep making fun of highschool drama tropes from 20+ years ago? Did you want the show to make fun of the shitty netflix teen dramas of today where everyone are just drug addicted bawds?
>I genuinely don't get the hate for the new season. it captures the spirit of the first season while updating itself to a new era of tv
Sure it does
>Did you want the show to make fun of the shitty netflix teen dramas of today where everyone are just drug addicted bawds?
They made fun of shitty teen dramas then too, so I'm not sure what's the problem.
Cleo is SO HOT
This episode was really boring, and it was written by one of the old guys. Too bad Judah Miller's brother and a few other writers didn't return.
The biggest problem with this episode is definitely what a missed opportunity it is, the concept fits perfectly with the theme of the show but the execution is genuinely awful. It's written like those dime a dozen cheap cartoons Canada was churning out with the writer's thinly veiled festish inserted, it plays out like some lost Johnny Test episode. If there was an episode to insert teen drama and play those tropes this would've been the episode to do it, how do you frick up a home coming episode that badly?
extremely
20 person woke writer room teams completely killed off this show
WAY WAY BACK IN THE NINETEEN EIGHTIES
Here’s how I’d fox the nu-clones:
Frida:
- As much of a mean girl as Cleo, just in a different way. Mindlessly abides by “cancel culture” and has anyone deemed un-pc shunned and excommunicated.
- Does paintings that are very shallow with unsubtle meanings (unintentional). She’s actually just an idiot who doesn’t have the ability to create or recognize subtlety or deeper meaning.
Confucius:
- everybody thinks he gives great advice since he’s the clone of Confucius. In actuality he actually gives the most basic, obvious, and cliche advice possible.
- Popular on social media for his “hot takes”
- Deep down he knows he’s a fraud
Topher:
- pretty much the same as he is in the show, just better utilized.
- Deathly afraid of cancel culture, he constantly walks on eggshells and has internal freak outs when he thinks he may have used the wrong words. In reality nobody actually pays attention to him
- Maybe in an episode he asks Confucius for advice and he is told to just “be himself”. This goes horribly wrong. Topher does a total 180 and it is implied that he holds the complete opposite views of the ones that he previously expressed. We never actually hear what his opinions are, we just see the reactions of the other students. He then goes back to Confucius and yells at him for giving him bad advice. Topher tries to go back to the way he was before, but it’s too late and no one is buying it.
Harriet:
- feels like she has to be a “model minority” to live up to her clone mother
- Has white foster parents
- Maybe have an episode where she’s accused of not acting “black enough”. She takes this to heart and by the end of the episode ends up embodying every single black stereotype (ironically becoming a racist caricature).
Thoughts?
*fix
I like what you have for Topher and Confucius but I'm so sick of commentaries on cancel culture, sojus shit, whatever you want to call it. I don't think it would be a good idea to have their personalities or the show revolve around it, we already got a taste of this in the revival and outside of Topher changing his name it wasn't very good. It felt dated already.
no more cancel culture takes, I think ultimately it was never as huge a deal as people made it out to be which is why its a relative blip in online discourse compared to other things. Everyone else is fine.
>Popular on social media for his “hot takes”
I thought the whole joke with Confucius is that he's a permanently online trend chasing attention prostitute? Making him popular flies completely in the face of that. Just axe either Frida or Harriet, they're the worst part of the new series and have no good jokes.
Someone online had a hilarious take for harriet tubman where she's an idiot; she'd be obsessed with model trains because she'd think the underground railroad was about actual trains so that's how she'd try to live up to her namesake.
>Harriet is just an autistic stereotype
It's so much better than what we got, bros
That's hilarious and very in-line with clone high.
she's not trying to live up to her namesake. none of the clones are, that's the whole theme of the show.
>Gandhi joining the student hotline
>Abe trying to resolve fights
>Joan thinking she was being contacted by a higher being due to her fricked up retainer
>literally anything with Cleo or JFK
???
>they breathe the same air
idiot
Every time I see this pic my mind has to take a second and remember whether it’s from Clone High or from Timmy’s Dad whining about Dinkleberg.
it isnt bad or worse - it is just a different show
Yes.
No
>From the creators of the acclaimed series CLONE HIGH
>They're back again, for the first time.
These tag lines are funnier than the actual season.
Only time season 2 made me laugh out loud. I feel like a lot of the jokes had the potential to be good but had poor timing/delivery whereas here it excels on both aspects.
>Now that the dust has settled
Meme thread
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Someone post the image of all of harriet‘s concept designs somehow being better than her actual one
What is wrong with these people? They had a good thing going and just threw all sense of basic appeal right out the window
For me, it's 10
literally so many superior options
How is every single design better than the one they chose.
Kinda based they chose the best design and none of the coomer ones. Giving into the coomer crowd is why series fail
>Admitting to shit taste for cheap (you)s
It’s not even about coombait. Harriet’s final design just looks fricking BAD.
I'm sure its either the studio exec or the director that chooses the final design, so blame Lord and Miller for that shit.
all those Harriets are great. keeping an old background character design "just because" is stupid
That old background design is legitimately better than what we got, though.
it's not. that's some basic b***h with no character.
I don't know if you've noticed but the old cast also have plain designs, that's not a bad thing. They're supposed to express their personalities through what they do and not through some saturated, garish design.
>goth Joan is a plain design
>unnaturally tall Abe is a plain design
>JFK with both junk and butt bulging out is a plain design
>but Harriet's overly colorful get up is too much
>Harriet's overly colorful get up is too much
Yes
>media illiterate and just plain illiterate
must suck
It's ugly and nothing is going to change that no matter what terms you throw around.
As opposed to S2 Harriet?
It was bad. Not enough diversity
Topher was the best character in S2 purely because the writers weren't scared of making him unlikeable.
Gandhi is overrated, you all need to grow up
Gandhi's absence is far from being the season's only flaw.
Why don't you fricking starve yourself about it
>Confucius clone
>don't make any jokes about him trying to act like his namesake
>don't even give him his beard
honestly with the exception frida and topher none of the characters tie in or even relate to their clone parents
The new teacher got a fat ass so it’s at least a 6/10