Come to think of it, there's nothing really problematic about it. All of it was just whining.
Come to think of it, there's nothing really problematic about it. All of it was just whining.
Come to think of it, there's nothing really problematic about it. All of it was just whining.
Judaism. Brian Michael Bendis is israeli.
is being a cuck a tennant of judaism? it seems like it. Very Adam Friedland energy from Bendis tbr
>Black characters' dad is jefferson davis
What did bendis mean by this?
That the South was based and right to leave Lincoln's Empire.
>literally any other name in comics other than Jack Kirby
Get the frick out.
her neck's broke, cervical vertebrae do not bend that way
It's not even really that hard a pose. My fatass can do it and probably would if I had to climb over a ledge above chest height.
>He's never bent his head back more than a few degrees.
Sometimes I wonder how people with actual human bodies can say moronic shit like this. It reminds me of people whining about the boobs and butt poise, like have all y'all motherfrickers never twisted around to look at something for a second?
The anatomy is bad, but Milo has always had an issue with that, and so have comics in general.
The real issue was tone deaf shame culture: because the dude draws porn (really, European comics that aren't afraid to have sex shown) sometimes, so when he made a pose where you could see her butt that fired up the puritanical wing of the Left. If it had been someone else who drew their porn under a different name there would have been no issue, they tried to hang him with his resume.
Dudes porn must be awful if this is what he cooked up.
He's gotten really sloppy in recent years. His best stuff was in the 80s and 90s, I assume now it's more about cashing a check.
He's in his 70's. The fact that he's still drawing at all is impressive.
Manara has his moments. Check out Butterscotch at least.
It's honestly one of his worst pieces, usually he's better than this
That's weird. I remember the criticism being pretty clearly that the cover was self-evidently fap material, with no real context for the artist. The controversy required that the fact that he was primarily a porn artist not be brought up, because that detail was used in later argument to refute the moronic argument of the target fap demographic at the time: you're imagining things, and peter striking similar poses proves there was never any sexual intent.
Obviously he was hired to create the thing his career was based on. All the protests to the contrary were laughably disingenuous.
It must have been Kelly Sue and her comics whisper network kicking it off. I remember there was a big push at the time to make Spiderwoman a woke feminist icon even though the character was not popular at all. Compare this cover to the new DC sweater weather comics coming out now. Where is the shitshow social media protest against those?
They seem to have worked out that including some guys in the fanservice negates most cake-related drama. I've been saying this is the solution for years. It keeps far more people happy than putting everyone in burlap sacks.
That's how the Fairy Tail manga gets away with it and why it's so popular with women despite the high amount of waifu fanservice. Men and women are both coomers and like seeing hot people.
What? No. There was multiple type of critiques leveled at him. Not that the critics cared about consistency. The biggest claim was that it was actually HARMFUL to women, not just about sex.
Yeh I don't know why they decided spiderwoman was their femcel icon at the time. They equated this cover with the "college rape epidemic "
They are shameless hypocrites. And it looks like AI too.
sorry, what's the hypocrisy here? no one is obliged to take a public stand on every single thing that conflicts with their preferences.
It looks like AI because ArtGerm/Stanley Lau is
up there with Greg Rutkowski as the number 1 or number 2 artist that every single AI rips-off
For a while, the most effective Stable Diffusion tags were to just mention Artgerm and Greg Rutkowski
The anatomy is not bad. Look at what gymnasts and contortionists can do with their bodies. Superheroes are supposed to be in peak physical condition.
Uhh spider vertabeer does
americlap education
ever notice how everyone who does these knows nothing about anatomy.
I noticed it back in 2014, it was all woke rainbow hair tumblrcels dogpiling Manara and trying to make a name for themselves.
They jumped all over everything they could
remember this freak out?
Yeah I don't even remember why they were so upset with this. It's a genuinely iconic cover but they forced marvel to cancel it and the artist to apologize for drawing it. It shows Joker as a genuine threat and Babs as genuinely terrified.
It was one of the alternative covers for the run when Batgirl was all SJW, living with the troony and shit. It had a different audience and they freaked out about the thought of Batgirl actually being in danger
>we've never read comics before but now you need to change everything for US!
I love the Liefield ones in particular since the main thing with him is his primary issue is making girls too narrow, in the sense of them often being kind of squashed, but he actually has a stupidly good grasp of high condition anatomy [high end body builders and athletes] at its extreme ends, his actual fricking problem is perspective [he fricks up and does bodyparts at different angles from eachother sometimes] and that he has a shit sense of "timing".
See people like Arnie back when he was Mr. Universe or the like? Their bodies are in extreme condition and might need to be actively in use at any moment, and subconsciously they're aware of that. So the body will do a lot of these little micromovements and transitory actions as a way of doing little "checks" to make sure everything is working right, because is something goes wrong someone like, well again Arnie during his Mr. Universe days could legitimately kill or cripple himself by parts of his body ripping themselves apart if something goes wrong. They're transitory motions usually, little stretches and flexes and so on.
A lot of his "uncomfortable poses" that Liefield does are those movements....only frozen in time. Nobody fricking holds those movements for very long, it's uncomfortable as shit even if you're not a wall of muscle or a lean mean frickmachine, but what he's trying to do, consciously or not, is show those movements in a medium that doesn't fricking move because he's kind of a moron, resulting in all these roided dudes coiling or slinky women cat stretching in every panel when normally said motions would be only for a split second.
>A lot of his "uncomfortable poses" that Liefield does are those movements....only frozen in time. Nobody fricking holds those movements for very long, it's uncomfortable as shit even if you're not a wall of muscle or a lean mean frickmachine
are there any good comic artists who convey good movement/anatomy in their poses?
Anatomy's not that hard though they don't teach it anymore in most animation schools and not many people in comics go to proper art school anymore nor do they study the works of those that did like Liefield did as a kid. Liefield does alright for anatomy when you factor in that he basically only draws the 0.0001% high end but his movements are average at best and he does have those perspective problems. I'd say Willaims II is a good bet, his art is gorgeous in general and he's not lacking in ability really in any one area but I'm unsure if he's the best at movement. I'd need to think on it for a good while and probably hunt around just because you don't usually notice when it's done well, just when it's done less than well.
thanks anon
I love the Liefield
>tries to mog Liefield
Mike Deodato
>tries to mog Liefield
>Liefield mogs you instead
KEK
Liefeld didn't work on the Artemis as Wonder Woman run, that must be an early Deodato page.
>majored in animation
>Can't draw at at least the same level as Rob Liefeld
Why even go on?
Also, way to miss the actual problems with the art like the wonky perspective and the (admittedly stylistic) choice to give everyone giant legs. The "blank space" behind Artemis and the pose itself does a lot to add dynamism to help sell the door being slammed open
>quiver on the back
way shittier than quiver at the side.
thigh benefits
>faster reload
>can actually glance down and see how many arrows you have left
>won't spill out if you have to bend over for some reason
>organs
yes NO THIN PERSON HAS EVER EXISTED
This one is just petty. Land isn't the best, but he gets the job done (or atleast most normies who have no idea about his tracing wouldn't see anything too off about his stuff).
This artist would probably hand in something worse than Greg if hired to draw a similar cover, judging by the shoddy sense of form. It's almost /ic/ tier.
well she's not a complete prune
Shit homie I can do that. not for very long, but I'm a 200 pound dude who never took gymnastics, nor do I have fricking superpowers.
remember when people were pissed about this?
tried doing the pose in the mirror. Can't say anything about the legs but I could turn my chest far enough to be similar to the left pic
was just about to post this, Scott is so based
nonbinaryfinnmertens absolutely wrecked. I'd be surprised if they haven't suicided by now
>Unsolicited correcting no one asked for
FATALITY!
>remember when people were pissed about this?
I remember a lot of fat Tumblrinas whining about this pose being awkward, uncomfortable, or even impossible. And then some MJ cosplayers proving them wrong by doing it.
A lot of the complaining about the way women are drawn and posed in comics is just coming from fat ugly girls who are angry at hot girls who are liked more by guys. Even when those girls are drawings.
well yeah, all the "art experts" had no problem when their kind made crimes against drawing. It was only when someone dared to try to make a woman look sexy
"Where's her organs!" was their femcel battle cry
>two statements about probability
>focus entirely on the far less common totalizing statement as if that refutes the others
it's usually a good idea not to reveal your inability to actually defend your position
>actually supporting the outrage movement
Yeah, you type like a fat ugly girl alright.
This style is ugly as hell too....like lot of these ''sexy'' artists draw shit ugly honestly, I don't care about it being sexy or realistic but just actual styles suck.
Isn't the point of drawing the fricking comics to be able to push poses more than it could be in real life?
No no, you see super flexible spider characters shouldn't be able to turn their bodies and fiction has to be reality
Oddly they didn't complain that the web squirting hand gesture has never been how hands work and that no-one cares
>Isn't the point of drawing the fricking comics to be able to push poses more than it could be in real life?
No, escapist fantasies need to match real life 1:1.
I love how every single redraw, 3d model and recreation blatantly changes it compared to the original, because, you know, it doesn't actually work as originally drawn. Do you guys think we'll just vaguely glance over the thumbnail and assume you're right? I have eyes, I can see you changed it.
>>It doesn't 100% conform to the picture. See that anatomy is IMPOSSIBLE
>REEE SHE'S NOT LITERALLY CLIMBING UP OVER THE SIDE OF A BUILDING WITH SPIDER POWERS ITS NOT ACCURATE
I was thinking that. These Spider-Xen are hyper flexible and can stick to walls. Only a contortionist with their toes nailed to the wall can truly try to recreate the shot.
no they don't
you must be really bitter to be this deluded
>the straight version vs the gay version
Personally, I prefer the straight version, but I'm straight so I'm biased.
Maybe?
I like when spider characters have weird anatomy.
this, to an extent. they should at least look a bit weird and creepy, even if the anatomy isn't completely accurate. I've heard people shit on this pic for the torso, but I think it looks cool
>for the torso
hips I meant to say
I don't think it's a good drawing but have you had spinal fusion surgery or something?
Get in a push-up pose, Now while in said pose push your chin out and try to look at the ceiling.
>Come to think of it, there's nothing really problematic about it. All of it was just whining.
That applies to everything Cinemaphile related that has ever been described as "problematic".
People who use that word are just whiners, usually complaining about how things they don't like and things meant for other audiences just shouldn't be allowed.
The female form is a sin. It must be hidden from sight to teach all women the shame of being born female.
The only Jess comics I would buy are with Jessica Cruz. Spider Woman comics suck
The hysterical reaction over it was an overreaction.
However.
It still looks like shit.
>reddit spacing
Go back
>newbie reddit expat falls for memes and desperately tries to disassociate himself to fit in
many such cases
I like these.
God look at these 2004 newbies, why don't they go back already.
Imagine the horror that some of them are probably still here.
Imagine how many think they're women now
Next year they'll have been here for twenty years. I hope this website's gone by 2027 because I don't want to reach that milestone too.
Nibba, I don't have screenshots as insular as this because I found them online, years later.
It's funny how almost all the namegay shit just vanished as Tumblr and Twitter rose to prominence.
they were able to get followers on that shit, which is what they really wanted
Oh totally agree. Every namegay of note had a Tumblr and they all had lengthy posts about how Cinemaphile was "ruined" or some gay shit.
They wanted to roll that shit into jobs in comics/film/etc. and many did
>my first time celebrating non-binary day
>I’m non-binary or something like it
>still goes by she
>more than 11,000 likes
Man women just play life on easy mode, huh?
you're not actually that delusional, are you? i know this place is full of morons desperate to pretend to be victims, but come on.
Before this enby shit became a thing, it was very common for girls to claim they were bi in order to get the same kind of social points.
At least half of gender and sexuality posturing is to make boring white people feel special.
sadly true
Haha, yeah, that'd be...that'd be terrible. Imagine having been on the internet 20 years ago and watching it become homogenized until it's completely unrecognizable, with all of the sites you frequent slowly disappearing year-after-year until the only thing left that makes you feel any sort of connection to that feeling of wonder and promise the internet held was is Cinemaphile, of all place. Imagine being that person, haha, what a loser.
THE HORROR
Where are you supposed to go, detroit?
I remember when Cinemaphile was first created, not that I went to it much in the early days.
> week old thread
wow this is early
The site was just four months old.
Yeah we abandoned that when reddit started doing it.
You spontaneously decided to stop breaking your paragraphs up because some anon told you Reddit did it first.
I've seen the 3D model recreation that seems to explain why this is "wrong" but I don't see it without that model.
Always remember, when it's for a male audience, it's problematic and an example of the male gaze.
When it's for a female audience, it's empowering and a feminist reclamation of the body
It's anatomically correct, drawn by one of the world's premier erotic illustrators. I still have no idea why tumblr comicels decided to make this their hill to die on. Comics professionals lost their jobs and were black listed for defending this cover. I will also never forget the string of untalented morons who said this pose was "impossible to do" and then redrew it even worse.
>Comics professionals lost their jobs and were black listed for defending this cover.
tf for real?
Yes I'm not even joking. Comics pros who defended the illustration on facebook comments were dogpiled and blacklisted out of comics. It was ridiculous how much rage this cover caused to the tumblrite feministas.
In hindsight, it's embarrassing for the entire industry.
It's embarrassing for two reasons:
1. Sticking their heads out of their holes to give attention to always online freak who will never buy comics.
2. Dying on a hill to defend awful looking piece.
This is the cover that inspired the Hawkeye Initiative which was also cringe. It was also amusing to see all the morons coming out of the woodwork to white knight for the garbage character Spider-Woman.
>Comics professionals lost their jobs and were black listed for defending this cover.
Lmao that's hilarious
>were black listed for defending this cover.
give names.
Should have been Anya Corazon here.
Other than looking horrendous, sure.
The anatomy is really awful, all in the name of shoving her butt into the screen
It's not even a good butt.
Show your work; I do not think the anatomy is bad at all.
The sheer irony of /beg nothings criticizing the anatomical knowledge of one of the world's greatest living erotic illustrators. It's 2014 femcel vibes all over again.
>one of the world's greatest living erotic illustrators.
I read his X-Men swimsuit, his art sucks.
sorry you're a pleb anon.
This caused the tumblrcels to have a conniption fits when comparisons like this were brought up in 2014. It must have been mass formation psychosis or something.
>>Y-you mean they bend the rules a little to make something look dynamic?!!!!
Thing is, Spiderman has actual costume with black shadows obscuring everything. While the woman is just completely naked with some body paint, completely nude for all the world to see with lighting everywhere and zero shadow to hide her nudity. Notice how Spiderman's ass is completely covered by costume with no hint of it being his bare skin
They are both wearing costumes. Spider-woman's costume is just designed like a onesie. It's an issue you have on a conceptual level.
every single day in southern california I can see real women who wear pants or shorts so sheer that I can see their vulvas.
Who has the better butt? Spidey or Nightwing?
meanwhile....
wherw is the complain here. those are some uglist art style i have ever seen.
tumblr shits on Milo because they have to protect le women
I shit on him because his art sucks.
Did the nu-puritanism actually START at tumblr?
I never even heard about the site until 2014 and apparently it was leaking censorship crusades all over the internet. Then later people said tumblr was for porn. So where did the next gen Catholicism come from?
Yes, I believe Tumblr was where it began and also where it fermented.
It had been building in female-dominated comic communities like Scans Daily before Tumblr even existed, but Tumblr and Twitter helped it spread like a plague.
That infamous Liefeld pic of Captain America was referenced from a photo of Arnold back in his bodybuilding days, it wouldn't be surprising if Rob did use other bodybuilder pics to inspire poses he drew characters in, the same way Land drew poses from porn and WWE.
What operationally about Tumblr contributed to the rise of woksterism? Why there and not MySpace or Facebook or Twitter?
The way tumblr is set up allowed people to get isolated in their bubbles and see nothing but people liking their posts with little opposition. As terrible as Twitter is there's the chance that people's arguments could be challenged more than on tumblr
On top of that a lot of the livejournal people migrated to there so it set the tone
I genuinely believe that tumblr was some kind of mass psyop meant to indoctrinate and spread SJW ideology
There was a lot of porn on it too, but I think they cracked down on that.
It was a breeding ground for woke future industry people and also normalization and radicalization in to troonhood. It was most definitely an MK Ultra related government psy op.
>So where did the next gen Catholicism come from?
Catholics are not particularly puritanical. It's just anglos being anglos.
In the very, very few times I've had to deal with these people, I typically just show them a cover from a baki or jojo tankabon and refuse to engage with their arguments at all.
>Did the nu-puritanism actually START at tumblr?
Geezeranon here. No. It started with the feminist left of the late 1980's. See Tipper Gore, and the PMRC. Sort of like the christgays but tended towards the left.
>I typically just show them a cover from a baki or jojo tankabon and refuse to engage with their arguments at all.
I don't get why comics in general have so many armchair anatomy critics. It's cartooning. Their should be some fakery and bullshiting for a better picture. I don't like Rob Liefeld's art, but it's because I don't like his style of linework. But I know more exaggerated artists I like because their rendering and linework serves their art better.
the thesis is that unrealistic portrayals of women leads to unrealistic self image expectations of women that cause them psychological and physical harm, therefore justifying anything, up to and sometimes including violence to stop it.
Similarly , negative depictions of black and brown people also cause harm, and must be banned
This is a belief to these people almost to the point of being a religion..
>the thesis is that unrealistic portrayals of women leads to unrealistic self image expectations of women that cause them psychological and physical harm
I think that the thesis is correct personally, but the solution isn't a full puritanical destruction of sexualization. It's changing the way women engage with play and media.
>It's changing the way women engage with play and media.
It's also a firm "Shut up and leave. This isn't for you, this doesn't concern you." Because a lot of it is as pathetic as guys b***hing about the jacked shirtless dudes on the covers of romance novels.
>I think that the thesis is correct personally
that's idiotic. Do fit women walking around force women to feel bad about themselves too? Should baddies be forced to dress in hijab so fatties who see them walk by don't feel bad about themselves?
It's true for women who either had no fathers or weak fathers. Artists shouldn't be concerned about how deranged people will react to their work, only normal people with good upbringings.
Oh Lord, my God, is there no help for the widow's son?
The funny thing is that psychological studies have disproven this many times.
Todd McFarlane is one of the most popular capeshitter artists of recent times and his anatomy is terrible and he frequently draws poses that are impossible.
>Puritanism
>Catholicism
Do know what words mean?
It started with Atheism+ and fourth wave feminists hijacking political blogs and Something Awful.
Moral panic and purity spirals have always been a thing it's just that the Internet have it a louder voice. I imagine controversial shows like Married with Children and Power Rangers would not have been able to ignore their protests these days.
It is still hilarious to me that woke left femcels have become exactly the same as the pro-censorship Christian soccer moms from the 80s they spent their whole lives claiming to hate.
Not exactly the same, just a warped reflection
Still no to sexy women in media
But instead of christian storytimes, it's dragqueen storytime
Instead of a nativity play, it's a lgbt parade
They have the same controlling impulses, but flipped the script.
It's the same religious zealotry with different rituals involved, and both are equally prude and hate beautiful women especially if scantily clad.
The fight between the prudes who want everything plain and pure vs the degenerates who want everything ugly and gross.
In the end, we all lose.
No, it's not you dumb american. Not everything is a binary battle between only two opposing teams.
Given how the most powerful people on Earth seem to gravitate to either of those two sides, it might as well be, especially since I'm counting Muslims as well.
It already has become binary if you consider it a "battle."
Are you homosexuals really going to waste your Saturday night reminiscing about tumblr
>A POMNI THREAD DIED FOR THIS
As someone who doesn't watch that show but would frick the clown girl. I don't care because you homosexuals are worse than the Vivgays were about their shit at this point.
but you do care, because now, you'll make 15 more posts about how you "don't care"
When the frickers who did this are still fricking up the comics industry? Also this spawned the infamous gift basket.
I love Cho so much.
The final end game of burger wars:
Based chink mocking a goofy white gay named Rodriguez.
>blaming Whitey for a Hispanic mutt
kys, shitskin
chinks, mutts, barely whites... it's all 100% Americans, paco
why is her buttcrack so wide, is she about to take a shit
how does I shot web
Anatomy doesn't matter as long as it looks cool.
the only issue here is the wrong thumb though
The right arm is way too far back.
Nah it's doable, if admittedly barely, but he's a kung fu alien so I'll give him slack. I imagine it might be easier if you trained for it.
It depends
anyone got that one Jojo pic
Replying to myself, but anything Jack Kirby is a better example, most of his drawings are wonky but are still bad ass
It depends. Yoichi Takahashi's fricked up anatomy has always pissed me the hell off no matter how dynamic and cool it can look.
>their legs
To be fair, his art has been memed on even longer than Liefeld's.
We used to be a country. A proper country.
Vol 2 when
Some time in 2025 probably
Jesus Christ you guys are still seething over this? Move on.
nobody is seething, you fat pig
Given the controversy here, what does it say that this cover today provokes little to no comment?
that they know sales are in the shitter, and the redisigned less sexy outfits sold terrible, and that corporate is VERY likely to go on a cost cutting spree soon.
This was the suit that came out as a direct result of the Manara b***hing. The run was c-/d+, and sold like garbage.
I think he's more shitposting than forensics.
The only people who had a problem with this are members of the fat acceptance movement.
To this day, you can't look up Spider-Woman butt without getting a bunch of articles of feminists going nuclear over it. I don't know why this particular painting caused such extreme butthurt but here we are.
>Shame googling
Is she not proud of her butt, or does she just get off on the lewd comments?
Yes.
Come to think of it, there's nothing really problematic about it. All of it was just whining.
That's some bad fricking art. If it was good coomer art I would defend him.
the outrage about this kinda reminds me of similar shit that happens on Cinemaphile daily
because here's the thing- this drawing is awful. terrible. dogshit art. dogshit anatomy. looks weird, creepy, her neck is snapped at an odd angle, her ass crack is way too deep and cavernous, the whole thing is fricked. hell, it'd work if she was some kinda shapeshifting alien feeder, but she's not, she's meant to have the solid anatomy of a human woman, so it's just offputting.
the problem is people looked at this, and instead of going "haha holy shit that's so bad, let's mock it and meme about it!", they instead wen't "THIS IS A PERSONAL ATTACK AGAINST ME AND MY WOMANHOOD REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!"
and THAT is why the outrage was stupid
it's no different than what Cinemaphile goes thru daily, whenever a dumb movie or cartoon or comic comes out, something we could happily joke about... we instead choose to be idiots and turn it into moral outrage. and likewise, like those screeching women, we sound just as moronic
Spiderman has been drawn in way more contorted poses. The image is fine. In fact you are repeating the same criticism it got in the first place
im sure he has
the piece is still shit
Manara is kind of "respected" by default here in Europe, but honestly I've never really liked his art, I don't think his women look all that sexy and they all have the same face
I had no particular opinion on Manara but then I read Indian Summer and his style clicked for me. It's not about making individual characters or objects "pretty", it's all in composition and outlines. He can make something that looks like a classical painting with just line drawing. Much of that might've been lost with age, I dunno.
Not for any reasons you listed
why then?
God knows if Manara was actually going for this, unlikely, but the og 70s spiderwoman was supposed to be creepy and off putting, even in her civilian identity (It mostly came up then in fact)
Yep, it’s bad because it’s ugly, not for sociopolitical or dynamic posing reasons. It’s tame by Spider standards, and proportions or anatomy can be way more distorted and still look great.
For fricks sake, her face is the Communion alien with lipstick. It’s just bad, not some intentionally uncanny masterpiece.
Except nobody had the cover pulled for that reason. If bad art got pulled, Marvel would be out of business.
I mean cmon with the "bad anatomy" shit.
This is why I can't take any of the "Manara's cover is le bad because anatomy" criticisms seriously
That's a mask.
Because people were smart enough to recognize a canary in a coal mine and that shitting on a basic cover like this would lead to worse shit.
You art critique is trash by the way.
The thing is that the inverse is also true. If you look at OP's pic and go "holy shit that's bad let me meme about it" a bunch of culture warriors will start accusing you of being a pedophile democrat marxist troony and think your memes are attack against both them and western civilization.
Nobody's allowed to just think something sucks anymore. It's always assumed to be for bullshit ideological reasons.
>Nobody's allowed to just think something sucks anymore. It's always assumed to be for bullshit ideological reasons.
Well most of the time it is. It's human nature to attach a meaning to entertainment.
I don't agree that it's bad art. It looks much better than what most run of the mill Marvel artists have shat out past 20-30 years.
I suspect most people trying to squeeze in the "yeah censorship is wrong...but it IS bad art!" angle seem to actually think it's fine to censor things if they don't like them and are trying to masquerade as anti-censorship people.
>we
Frick you. Does the art look a little off, absolutely but doing this whole "both sides bad" routine when the outrage was all about SJWs trying to purge all hints of sexuality from mainstream comics is disingenuous at best. Call it culture war as much as you want, it's an observable phenomena that from 2014 to now certain people have worked very hard to get all the sex out of Marvel.
>to now
Another non reader wienering around. Yawn.
Didn't the recent Power Girl comic prove his case though?
Go on.
It's just a bad pose, let's face it. It just scream "I prepared my anus for you, come on, I can't hold my butt any higher". Milo Manara is pretty shitty artist
Way to get with the program after 10 odd years, better late then never I guess.
And Cinemaphile would know about whining
morons, homosexuals and women forget that:
>1.fit people are sexy as frick, like to the point or your eyes seeing them and screaming SEX, they probably forget it because they and all the people they know are fat fricks or they dont go out that much.
>2.they are wearing literally spandex
There is a reason why every single superhero parody makes them sexual degenerates
its not even that hot
youre average hentai artists can make is 10x more sexy
but it wasn't a fat girl boss so they b***hed.
If it was a fat c**t like Faith they would have celebrated the same pose and cover as empowering
comics really were a circus back then.
now it's just looking at the wreckage of the aftermath
This and Lena Dunham's support are why Hillary lost kek
>average hentai artists
have nowhere near the artistic merit of Manara.
This costume is ugly as all hell
the woke karen version is even worse
Watch everyone who was screaming about it having bad anatomy make half-assed excuses
Milo Manara and J.Scott Cambell styles are ugly as hell. Alan Davis drew great women but he never was a ''sexy'' artist but I always loved how he drew women so I'm bring it up.
Joseph Michael Linsner an sexy artist that draws good women.
Linsner is fricking stiiiiifff compared to Manara's work
Manara shines most in his inkwork. He and Hugo Pratt are so different stylistically but I can see why they'd work together. both do an amazing job of capturing wind and flowing movements on figures.
The art is ugly...that's the problem not the pose, not the fact it's sexual, it's just ugly...her ass looks like a ripped open tomato, her face looks like Michael Jackson and the colors are awful.
the real problem is her mongoloid face
>UUUUUUGH SHE LOOK LIKE A WHOOOOORE UUUUUUUGGGGHGHHHHH
Go coom to something that looks good.
I think you mean ca*casianoid face. Mongoloid is just perfect extremely beautiful manga faces
Remember, this Eurohack drew the X-Men females for a comic, all with this same Europrostitute face.
Hold up. They weren't claiming he was just a hack, they were claiming he was harmful to women and that people who disagreed needed to have their big 2 careers ended..
>people who disagreed needed to have their big 2 careers ended
Like who? Genuinely curious
Highest profile was Cho. See the whole gift basket thing.
But he didn't. He's still working for the big two to this day.
most people here just go off appeals to emotion and can't do research. I've seen people claim ed Benes is "blacklisted" when he had posts in 2018/2019 saying he turned down DC work in favor of doing his own stuff.
>But he didn't. He's still working for the big two to this day.
Reading comprehension. They TRIED to. They actually succeeded in getting him pulled off of wonder woman.
>They
didn't do shit, what got Cho off Wonder Woman was the author complaining and even then what he succeeded in was moving him to another book.
You should trust this anon as much as you would someone who can't tell the difference between attempt and success. The shit with the Gift Basket is infamous. You can absolutely tell the people trying to get him removed from the hitpiece articles, and his "OUTRAGE" covers.
It seems like the obvious lesson is to not pay so much attention to the opinions of random morons.
>so much attention to the opinions of random morons.
agreed, which is why there's no reason to care about "attempts" either. hitpiece articles don't matter either.
You know who else had hitpieces in the last year? Otto Schmidt. You know what he got to do after that? character designs for three DC animated movies.
Wait, wtf happened here?
He made a jokey comics abou Putin as an action hero and his friend drew a few panels of questionable images. That's it.
TwiX users continued to seethe as he kept getting work.
Otto has had a target on his back because of his prolific fetish work, and people were trying to gin up reasons to have him canceled.
Close enough. Also, the push for conservative female outfits that was a part of going after manara and cho and the like sold like SHIT, and we're moving out of that era now. Pic related. It's Vampirella. They also tried conservative outfits on Red Sonya and Deja Thoris about this time.
So are you saying pic related did poorly or they did pic related because the previous stuff did poorly?
Stuff PREVIOUS to that did ok, but was on a long decline. Pic related sold like fricking garbage.
Nothing wrong with not giving a frick about the arguments and only on the shit that comes out. But by that standard, the christgays and PMRC and code era isn't shit either. And not being up front with that instead of ignoring the word attempt, even though you clearly care enough about this to know what's going on make you look like a moron.
I don't think you're a moron anon. Tighten it up for everyone's sake.
>, the christgays and PMRC and code era isn't shit either.
The difference is that all of those became major issue that involved heavy lobbying and attempting to make significant strikes at the most important thing- the company's wallet.
My main interest in comics is largely visual, especially pin-up art so I know a lot about who's working and who isn't. I remember when people tried to get Ed Benes off books, or when Sana Takeda was the bane of livejournal. It all doesn't make a dent because there's no actual organization.
My thing about the Cho/Wonder woman thing is that if you don't say the exact circumstances it muddies the real issue- that writers and editors have more power in comics than artists who sell. Maybe Cho defending the Manara cover influenced Rucks to b***h about him- but it wasn't until Rucka b***hed about Cho that they moved him away from the book. the company itself had no issue giving him work because the cancellation attempts didn't do shit, only when one of their precious writers complained did they react.
>The difference is that all of those became major issue that involved heavy lobbying and attempting to make significant strikes at the most important thing- the company's wallet.
That's a salient point, but I'm not sure if I buy it wholesale. When that punisher artist was removed for doing veterans charity work, it really wasn't a strike at the bottom line. The politics does make a difference in who gets to work and who doesn't at the big 2.
I always consider them sisters with different mothers and the same father (me).
>When you've trained your whole career to draw the same prostitute exclusively
I wish the controversy had been over a better piece of art because honestly while fanservice is a harmless (if not vital and necessary) part of capeshit this particular example does kinda suck.
>porn artist draw cover
>burgers and fatties get upset
classic
who cares if the anatomy is correct? oh yeah, terminally online homosexuals
is cho based?
He's a c- writer, and a cornball, but he's incredibly based. Was based when it was Tipper gore b***hing. Was based when it was the christgays. Is still based now.