*commits a war crime*
What a truly great king
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What made Sauron the villain again?
Greedy nobles in Gondor who didn't want the status quo disrupted spread propaganda
villain is evil because.. he wants to industrialize the world
that is evil albeit
Yes, I wish guns weren't invented so I could be a feudal lord with my sword skills and take any woman I want because I know they're defenslesss.
>he looks like a homosexual sometimes and therefore he's heckin good!
Frick off crustgoblin
You seem really bitter but also really moronic because you're not able to communicate without talking like a complete moron
He created 16 rings of power and then forged in secret a master ring. He turns all of the elites of Middle-Earth into ring wraiths and with all of them under his power no one can oppose him.
>He created 16 rings of power and then forged in secret a master ring.
according to... ?
Invading land and driving out natives. You know, like what Israel is doing right now.
so not evil at all? got it.
His tax policy.
Daddy issues.
he was israeli
Damn, Sauron look like that?!
woke-shit
I dont remember this, is this part of the extended cut?
yes
>"war crime"
Show me the treaty that was signed between the forces of Sauron and the forces of men under Aragorn, and show me exactly which article of said treaty he violated.
>the treaties violated, officer?
diplomatic immunity is an ancient concept
civilized people realize the benefit of not killing messengers
that's why Sparta shocked the Persians when they did so
>diplomatic immunity is...
...not a thing unless it's agreed upon by both parties.
This. Nobody calls the time Leonidas kicked that Black person into a well a war crime, because everybody knows that Black person wasn't there to negotiate: he was there to taunt.
This is the exact same situation.
They totally called it a war crime dude
they can only prove you commited a war crime if your enemy wins, otherwise, it's just allegations.
Must be so cool to battle with no one knowing all those pesky historians telling everyone what you did
This is why it is so hilarious how archeologists keep finding shitty things about the Carthaginians were actually true and not just made up by the Romans as everyone had always assumed.
such as what? crucifixion?
> racists are dishonorable Chuds
No surprise.
If he was actually there to negotiate, then he would've been civil. Instead he laughed in their faces and told them about how badly their friends suffered (a bold-faced lie). He wasn't following the rules. He wasn't an ambassador. He was the middle finger of Sauron, and Sauron forgot about last time he stuck his fingers out.
>He was the middle finger of Sauron, and Sauron forgot about last time he stuck his fingers out.
heh
>diplomatic immunity is an ancient concept
moron, ever heard the phrase dont kill the messenger?
>diplomatic immunity
No diplomats if there's no diplomacy.
There's no being diplomatic with the literal embodiment of evil itself in the form of Satan's greatest lieutenant
It didn't happen in the book.
Persia was not shocked, the message they sent was clear: surrender or die. The messengers were not diplomats sent to parlay. Athens found them guilty of espionage or someshit after a brief trial and I believe beheaded them. Sparta just tossed them down a well. They thought it would just happen since all the other cities surrendered since Persia fielded like 2 million troops.
sauron was israeli influence on men
What if he was the eternal saxxon?
We know islanders hated them
>gave out gold rings
hmmmmm
I know this is obviously a joke to get LOTR discussion going but for the Hell if it I’ll answer honestly: look at that hideous unholy abomination. Is it even alive? It’s drooling black rot and its flesh is splitting apart and it doesn’t even have eyes. There is no scenario where that fricking thing was going to live anyway, all these horrible satanic beasts are all going to be cut down, after that thing gave me the skinny on Frodo yeah I would have diced that thing into pieces even if it was polite and not threatening all life on Earth with annihilation.
the moral answer is that his formal allegiance to Sauron deprived him of the right to live
He was a sentient being, you have no idea how much he truly believed in Sauron's ideology. He may have seen it as the best route to peace, and he finally got a chance to speak to the opposing force and Aragorn instantly chimped out and killed him.
That doesn't change my statement at all
Ok he did not ape out that thing was saying MWHAHAHA THAT HOBBIT WORM’S SUFFERING WAS LEGENDARY EVEN IN MORDOR, WE ALL LAUGHED AS HE SHIT HIMSELF AND YOU’LL ALL HAVE THE SAME FATE MWAHAHAHAHA
frick that disgusting sludge beast
>He may have seen laughing at Aragorn and delighting in telling him that his friend and comrade was killed slowly and painfully was the best route to peace.
Then he was too moronic to live in the first place and what happened was natural selection.
Nothing Sauron made was sentient.
He didn't make that guy. He began a a normal guy and chose to worship Sauron and become what he ended up as. So yeah he gave up his human rights when he betrayed humanity
>He may have seen it as the best route to peace
No, he qas a top lieutenant of his master and was to be given domain over some portion of newly conquered lands
Good I Fricking hate leftists
The Mouth of Sauron was no longer being received as an ambassador.
>Aragorn approaches.
>Mouth asks if they have come to negotiate.
>Gandalf says they will not negotiate.
>Gandalf demands Mouth return to Sauron with terms of surrender.
At this point negotiations have ended.
>Mouth of Sauron doesn't leave with the message
>Mouth of Sauron starts talking shit
After refusing orders to leave, the Mouth simply becomes an enemy combatant who rode ahead of the rest of the army for some reason. So Aragorn kills him. And that was that.
He was looking forward to dinner than night
What was Sauron's tax plan like?
You think Genghis Khan cared about war crimes?
Execution of his diplomatic envoy was literally the reason he sacked Baghdad.
Casus-Beli was always that, a nice excuse.
Sacked, not conquered. He wasn't this harsh on any other city he conquered.
Maybe he felt his vassals needed a little extra loot, very easily could have been something internal like that which tipped the scales of judgement.
Indeed, his nephews really wanted that huge stack of skulls.
That's generally the reason for a sacking no? Loot?
You think that Anon know anything about Genghis Khan besides the name?
Demons are except from human rights. This makes gay people seethe
Never let evil take root
Cool it with the antisemitism.
One of the things that makes Tolkien's writings interesting is their total denial of moral pragmatism.
>le ebin bad guy is easily defeated by le good guy while giving le ebin ebil speech
This is some Marvel tier shit, you have to agree. Like when Thor chopped off Thanos head
Hackson is shit
The scenes he adds are moronic and show how bad he is
>war crime
it's only a "war crime" if you lose.
It's ok. The Mouth of Sauron said something anti-semetic.
pls tell me she has a dick
She has two.
They're only war crimes if you lose. Same with crimes against humanity.
but what about mordor's tax policies?
That's a fella? Say it ain't so brehs...
>NOOOOOO! YOU CAN'T JUST KILL SOMEONE THAT WORKS FOR AN ANCIENT EVIL BEING THAT IS TRYING TO KILL YOU AND EVERYONE YOU LOVE AND ENSLAVE EVERYONE ELSE!!!! HE'S JUST A DIPLOMAAAAAAAATTTTTTTTTT!!!!!!
do israelites really
He was just following orders.
that's never been an accepted excuse ever
But it's the truth, I don't care what your tribe thinks.
Think about it. When it comes to works of fiction, these people are totally prepared to deconstruct everything, down to questioning the honor of a lawfully good protagonist because he killed the ancient evil's minion when he wasn't ready yet. But then ask them what they think about killing any number of their political adversaries in real life for any reason whatsoever and they'll 100% of the time agree with the wholesale slaughter of people with different beliefs than them (being, people with beliefs to the right of liberalism)
Tolkienbros are the most *reddit* people on this board
then you must be in good company
The extended editions are bad, but not enough to consider them a war crime, dude.
>extended editions are bad
Pleb.
nah some scenes are good, some are bad. mouth of sauron scene was bad
The books are long. There's like 70 years between Gandalf leaving the Shire after Bilbo's birthday and coming back. It takes The Fellowship 95 years to reach Parth Galen before breaking up. And the whole thing takes like 500 years.
>It takes The Fellowship 95 years to reach Parth Galen before breaking up. And the whole thing takes like 500 years.
Really? I know Gandalf was gone for a bit, but thought the whole travel time was like 2 years
17 years. Frodo was 33, an adult just barely, when Bilbo turned 111, an auspicious and venerable age fir a hobbit. Frodo was fifty, considered a mature adult, when he sold of Bag-End. Whole trip took about a year, half that long to get back, then a year and a half before Frodo leaves with Bilbo, now 131 and tied for the record, to the isle of evermeet to party eternally with Drizzt the Ranger and Herbie the dentist and that little girl tim allen was hitting on in the first Santa Claws movie. Same scene explicitly describes Cirdan the Shipwright, Master of the Grey Havens, a full-blooded elfwho formerly wielded the Flame of Anor before deciding he liked Gandalf enough to put a ring on him, as bearded, because elves can grow beards. I probably forgot something, haven't read the books in over a decade. Oh, and movie Gimli is a woman. It's a whole thing and really was necessary because they cut Tom Bombadil, but Movie Gimli is a Vaginiferous Dwarrow.
It was 18 months you fricker from Shire to Mordor
Sauron founded Mordor first.
Numenoreans immigrated to the land they called Gondor. They are the invaders. And they only migrated to persecute Sauron.
FREE MORDOR.
Bro Sauron isn't even native to the fricking planet.
War crimes don't matter when you're on their doorstep with ideas of full-scale annihilation.
In the book he didn't kill him
How is killing your enemy a war crime in Middle Earth?
because he thinks they were going to hash out a peaceful settlement or something, lol. kill evil. behead evil. roundhouse kick an evil barbarian into the compact dirt. slam dunk an evil baby into the wastepile. crucify filthy evil-doers. defecate into evil's luncheon.
>thinking war crimes are anything meaningful
>Kills demon looking thing
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO MURDEREEEEEERRRRRRRRR THATS WAR CRIME
Jews may not have much loyalty, but they still get mad when their own gets what's coming to them.
It's how I know Jesus wasn't a israelite.
Sauron was a chud.
Mordor had not signed the geneva convention so Aragorn treated the eastern front accordingly.
LET THE LAIRD OF THE BLACK LAND CAHM FAIRTH
Why are there so many LotR threads suddenly
>suddenly
He needed to silence him real quick so they could talk about Frodo without giving any information to Sauron
I like some of the extra scenes in the extended cuts but a lot of them frick the pacing all to hell.
"The only crime in war is losing"
>NOOO OPTIMUS WAIT, I'M A DIPLOMA-
would this have saved him?
That would imply there's a possible future where Sauron and the world of men could co-exist. Since that simply isn't possible, there's no reason to negotiate.