>complain about self-inserts in comic books
>3 pros attack your appearance
>they get criticized by the public
>they get condemned by other pros
Comic books are finally healing? This is how a healthy industry is supposed to react when pros attack the customer
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https://boundingintocomics.com/2023/12/06/comic-book-pros-mock-deny-complaints-from-veteran-shop-owner-regarding-abysmal-state-of-the-market-his-business-is-dying-because-he-refuses-to-change-with-the-times/
Ugly people's opinions should never ever matter.
post face groyper chad
Anonymous board, gay. But it looks kind of like this.
>Anonymous board, gay
>I-I would post it b-but it's against the r-rules, or else I totally w-would
Mad cause fugly 🙂
Your meme is dead.
No one should post face here, unless you want what happened to inspector redwood to happen to you
Lmao people did a bunch of times. I also post tons of information about myself and dimwads like you don't say shit with it because I'm killing kiwifarms culture.
Literally some of the biggest creators came from here
>Lmao people did a bunch of times.
That's why you're the board's laughing stock, fatso.
>Posts personal shit here
>Kiwi farms culture
Confirmed troony or pedo or worse
>Ugly people's opinions should never ever matter.
Pathetic. Only a moronic wanker think like this.
Yeah, I raised my eyebrow at that statement.
Then why are you sharing yours? Lmao
GOTEEEEEEM
>GOTEEEEEEM
Ugly people should rely on facts, not opinions based on their life of being shit on for being ugly.
Which would mean your post doesn't matter either.
Good idea. That would invalidate anything said by a troony. Like yourself.
The customer is always going to complain regardless
The customer has moved to manga, the only reason that guy cares about comic books is that his retailer friends are closing their stores because nobody reads capeshit.
Also nice deflection. What does your post have to do with insecure middle aged pros picking fights with people online?
>Also nice deflection. What does your post have to do with insecure middle aged pros picking fights with people online?
White men have fragile egos. Is that good enough?
The pro that started the fight is literally named Jamal. But don't pretend that the male pros are the only ones. Heather Antos and Mags Visaggio are even worse
Why is it a surprise to you that creators can be spergs? And why are you holding them up to a high standard of conduct when fans have been sending death threats and complaining as long as things have been written? If you're a fan of any small media like a podcast or a webcomic you can have a one on one experience with the author that's exactly like that any time you see them at a con. It's just people.
>not acting like the worst the internet has to offer is an unreasonable standard for middle aged pros
Sorry the way some old Boomers reacted to having their bad writing criticized doesn't affect my life enough to try to get a thread going to get validation from anonymous strangers.
The post you are quoting is me quoting you defending them. Are you having a stroke?
Where the frick do you live where grannies harass tennagers? That's not how normal people act
>The grown men who made under aged Emma Watsons life miserable.
>The grown men who harassed 25 year old Rebecca Sugar when she made Steven Universe.
>The grown men and women who harrass teenage creators on YouTube, Instagram and TikTok for having different beliefs or not looking a certain way.
Are you implying that those actions are acceptable in order to justify pros doing them? That the equivalent of citing homicide stats in order to claim that homicide is normal
Not at all you see I was responding to this anon
who was asking where the hell I live that old people harass teenagers. I hope this cleared my comment up for you.
>if I can site 3 examples of internet subhumans being mentally ill then that means it's normal behavior
I asked you where you live because in the real world people don't act that way. The internet is not the real world
>in the real world people don't act that way.
Oh so you've haven't been to a highschool recently or? Because old people in the real world have been trying to get the arts programs removed from the one I graduated from as recently as this year.
Since harassment is a buzzword now I'm just going to give you the actual quote. Tell me where do you live where old people treat clients like that
Lmao hilarious. This thread keeps coming up here but I just don't understand why anyone should give a frick about this? It's a bunch of fake drama that happened on a dead website these threads rarely make it to 50 posts before the slough off into the unknown. Sage for all intents and purposes.
During half a decade these pros would use cancel culture to harass and ostracize anyone they didn't like. But this time when they tried the same thing nobody appeared, except for the people defending the victim. This seems like the end of comic book lynch mobs
Ramon is morbidly obese. A slob. What a dink.
Is this the same guy who’s mad that Piskor hasn’t been cancelled for cultural appropriation?
No way he's 30.
He's owned the shop for 30 years, he's not 30.
It means he's been owning his comic shop for 30 years, ESL reading comprehension.
>25 year old Rebecca Sugar
yeah that's a grown woman dude. Think about how many celebrities die in their mid-20s. They lament them dying young but no one says "Kurt Cobain, he was just a kid!"
hell most people hating SU were probably 17-25 themselves.
"underage 25 yo" is something women have been pushing recently to avoid accountability
in the US you can still be on your parents health insurance until you're 26. 26 is the new 18 year old.
We're truly fricked.
Before ww2 21 was the old 18, they lowered the voting and enlistment age but not the drinking age because we needed recruits. There should just be one federal law set it all to 18 even smoking.
The prefrontal cortex wasn't fully developed you sick frick.
Then they shouldn’t be allowed to vote or consume alcohol either.
No, voting is the compromise for being old enough to die for Israel. But alcohol can wait 3 years more because drunk young men with combat training can overthrow the government when they're told there's a new war.
Then they shouldn’t be allowed to vote or consume alcohol either.
-that doesn't fricking matter because the brain is always changing throughout your entire life
-this only exists because society wants to infantilize women
-this will never be applied to men, women have never lined up for 25 year old virgins
-imagine holding off on having life experiences because you don't understand not having life experiences will stunt you. if you actually want your brain to crystallize as a neurotic virgin (because that's what you actually believe would happen around 25) then you're already mentally ill and it doesn't matter what your age is
no one actually says this
yes there are. they're on other social media like facebook. these mentally ill people do exist. i've also seen it in LGBTQIA+ fb groups. it's a circle jerk of puritanism. even conservative youtube channels (sydney watson?) imply 18 is too young. there are people who think it was a problem that bad bhabie made a million dollars within 6 hours of having an onlyfans after her 18th birthday. these people are that moronic as to think it was immoral for her to have her life set the moment she was an adult for doing pretty much nothing
society infantilizes women, they behave like they want to protect women but really what they're doing is "protecting women from themselves" because deep down they really do think women are children
He probably saw one person say it on twitter somewhere and now thinks the entirety of the group he hates thinks the same way
strawman principle
It's not just one person sadly. It seems to be spreading whenever age of consent gets brought up. At least a few would parrot this. Even Quora has it of all places.
>fans have been sending death threats
You know goddamn well that shit is made up.
Jamal Igle?
Yep
That's honestly really disappointing. He was IMO the best of DC's late 2000s house artists and I liked his work on Firestorm.
Mags Visaggio is a male pro
Heather Antos is the Queen Bee cancel pig who controls the others. I have no idea how this woman got so much influence over mainstream comics. She fails everywhere she goes. Jordan White even created the character of Gwenpool in simping tribute to Heather while she was acting as his work wife as a Marvel assistant editor.
My favorite part is the “pros” claiming that comics were always this horrible, outing themselves as people who have literally never read a decent comic. Some of them I truly doubt have ever read comics at all.
don't know if it's healing, but the hipocrisy is more visibly than ever
>Reads Archie unironically
I don't know who this guy in the image is, but he lost all right to any opinion about comic books on principle.
>reading anything ironically
no go frick yourself.
>Reads Archie unironically
I respect this man.
This thread with this goofy looking dude I've never seen before gets made so often I have to imagine he's the OP because it always gets barely a few replies before it's off to the archive.
Glen is a chad
>people attack the creators as being blue haired homosexuals all the time; NO, HOW DARE YOU ATTACK HIM ON HIS HECKIN APPEARANCE THOUGH
>the average capeshit comic was always woke, created by a lot of israelites
>print media is mostly dead
>no one here wants to ever branch out and find good comics, just moan about the same things
>or troll with east vs west threads
>local comicbook shops fail because half the time they are ran by idiots who know nothing about business
>self inserts are a minscule part of the problem compared to the entrenched issues and bad creators in general
>but people just want to complain about the same culture war narratives
>tfw the culture war is now the product
>tfw people will jump at the next anti-woke creator who makes a shit book
>t. blue haired homosexual
>no one here wants to ever branch out and find good comics
The stuff you think is "good" is just as bad, if not WORSE.
>local comicbook shops fail because half the time they are ran by idiots who know nothing about business
LCSes fail ONLY because of the product they sell and they have NO control over that.
>entrenched issues
Stop with the cliches and just put the blame on your precious corporate publisher for once.
I don't care about comics but this guy really is disgustingly ugly
A small whitepill in a sea of blackpills
Your typical comic book shop owner says comic books nowadays suck. Explains why sales are terrible Espeon for anyone in the public working today culture. Pro comic book girls of nuts
imagine if the owner of any other kind of store constantly told everyone how much their product sucked.
Did he tell customers Marvel and DC's product sucked, or are the customers telling him the product sucked and he's just relaying it on video? I don't think anyone answered this
Nice Donny Cates impression homosexual. Needs more coke and cuckolding for a c**t that leaves him for the bull though.
I assume it happened during the video game crash.
If the low sales of a product causes your friends to lose their stores you are going to criticize it, assuming you have any ounce of integrity and aren't just a israelite hoping to scam people in order to return investment
The video game crash was much more complex than that.
The other reason comic shops exist is to sell backlogs of older products, which is how a lot of stores break even these days; comics from when the consistency was better.
He literally decides what stock to take. If it is all so bad why doesn't he sell other stuff over it
>If it is all so bad why doesn't he sell other stuff over it
he probably does.
Problem solved then.
Go frick yourself moron
What's your point? That you should never criticize comics?
To be a good business he should focus on his business. If something isn't selling then don't sell it. Diversify with gaming, manga and other comics. Being a comicbook shop owner is probably one of the hardest retail jobs because you actually need to have knowledge and steer customers into recommendations that will spur more purchases in the medium. The reason why so many shops fail is because they are ran by enthusiasts and not businessmen with good customer service skills and comics knowledge. My LCS owner does a good job of it; hey you like x, have you tried or, you liked this creator did you know they have a new book out. Rather than constantly moaning about things being shit he could be thinking up ways to make his business work.
He diversified by making a YouTube channel, he said his opinion because people literally paid him for it. Turns out people where interested in hearing the opinion of an experienced retailer in a dying industry
>He diversified by making a YouTube channel
I mean making a samey youtube channel parroting the same culture wars narratives isn't exactly original.
>he's been in business 30 years you dumb frick.
I've been in business for 40 years. I am not insulting his passion. Just it all gets rather samey.
>self-inserts are culture war
He didn't complain about politics, wokeness or whatever strawman you have
He literally has. Go and watch some of his stuff.
I am not. You're just projecting. It is just constantly the same shit. It is easy to criticise. He could spend some time and effort actually wanting to fix things.
It's very clear you are just deflecting. That guy got harassed for having an opinion and you go "how dare he stop wageslaving to make a video?"
>That guy got harassed
Why are you such a fricking snowflake. Who cares what a bunch of homosexuals say on twitter.
>gaslighting this hard
The comics pros have been ostracizing people from the industry with online lynch mobs. But because they failed we are supposed to believe that the instigators are just posting mean tweets
>muh cancel culture
>muh lynch mobs
Every time
every time what?
>The comics pros have been ostracizing people from the industry with online lynch mobs
No, they haven't.
>oink oink oink
Your gaslighting doesn't work any more cancel pig. Your era has ended.
NTA but, I just find it disingenous when people who constantly take the piss out of others suddenly clutch their pearls when someone else is insulted in a similar way. Like people take the piss out of the comics creators all the time but then get super offended that this guy is being harassed? That's just hypocrisy.
Why are you pretending that we insulting something is comparable to twitter users calling the bosses of people in order to get them fired? Disingenuous homosexual
>when I do it, it is insulting
>when they do it, it is far more
This whole thing started because people want those writers fired. It is the same shit.
oink oink oink
Ok Cancel Pig.
They got called out for insulting the appearance of someone complaining about self-inserts. Insulting customers is not acceptable behavior, in any serious industry that alone would get you fired, not that anyone actually asked for that
>not that anyone actually asked for that
Because people don't insult them all the time based on their appearance? You sure? The whole thing started because of self inserting and claiming that all these characters look like the writers.
>The whole thing started because of self inserting and claiming that all these characters look like the writers.
No. It's because the characters act and speak like the writers, instead of acting like the character they are-for example, Mariko Tamaki turned X-23 in to a c**ty idiot who spends every issue gossiping and eating unhealthy food in cafes.
>other people attacked about the writer's hair therefore the writer is allowed to attack this guy's odor
That's not how it works you piece of shit, people are only responsible for their own actions. Also
>That's not how it works you piece of shit
So one set of insults is fine then. That's what you're literally saying.
Are you moronic? I didn't deflect at all. Cancel culture has become as meaningless as calling people nazis. A lot of people sell books off the back of being "cancelled" (if they were truly cancelled they wouldn't sell books, would they). What I literally am saying is, you behave like pearl clutches when this guy is attacked over his opinion but then Cinemaphile openly attacks other people. This makes you sensitive homosexuals who can dish it but can't take it.
Seriously, everytime a story like this happens you act all homosexual, oh my gosh, how dare they attack this man! While justifying all kinds of hate the other way.
But post after post you just seem to act like one side can do no wrong. I am saying that both sides are full of homosexuals, and you're one of them.
Elon Musk literally has a lawyer team helping people that got fired over tweets. You don't get to rewrite story just because their influence stopped
Source on this legal team? Sounds based as hell
https://www.forbes.com/sites/mollybohannon/2023/08/06/elon-musk-promises-to-cover-legal-fees-for-people-fired-over-tweets/
He's not even a customer. He's a retailer who sells their shitty comics for them. These writers couldn't exist without retailers like him shilling their schlock.
They’re never going to get fired, they’re the ones in charge, you dipshit.
It’s funny to point out that these writers were the same people who equates even mild pushback with rape and terrorism. That they’re exactly the obese manchildren that they claim the fans are. They’re angry because they aren’t able to shutdown the pushback anymore because things are unfixable and capeshit is dying. Even the movies are failing now and THAT scares them shitless.
Seems to me a majority of this is attributed to the Big 2, but publishers like Image & Dark horse never face this same amount of scrutiny. Is it possible that the death of cape shit might lead to a diversifying comic book genres with less of the current ongoing issues?
Dark Horse Publisher recently said at comic con that 90% of their sales are manga. They publish stuff like Berserk.
Image and Dark Horse are better companies, and generally respect their audience. The success on Invincible shows that people value quality *delivered consistently* whereas Marvel and DC’s constant seesawing between good and bad runs, with far more bad than good nowadays, is a problem that has ruined consumer trust. Image and Dark Horse are being held back by the fact that the industry leaders are functionally headless, and that diminishes interest in comics in general. Because if the most well known brands are bad and dysfunctional, it’ll be hard for more new audiences to get attracted to western comics in general.
We know the medium is sound and the audience is there, but Marvel and DC are married to bad business practices and bad writers who can be hired and paid cheaply.
These bad writers are also generally pretty bad people, as it turns out, as they immediately fell back on the same cheap bullying tactics of insulting someone’s appearance, weight, and other ad-hominems that they claimed the awful Chuds were up to, when in reality this dying and aging audience they belittle is the only thing keeping them on life support. Because it turns out basic-b***h pandering isn’t enough to win over Gen Z if the books still suck.
A big chunk of the Image and Dark Horse talent pool are writers who either used to or are currently working for Marvel and DC.
Marvel and DC have a worse culture and worse industry practices, anon.
DC screwed over Bill Willingham. Image let Robert Kirkman write Invincible with a beginning, middle, and an end and now the IP is reaching more people than ever.
>Image let Robert Kirkman write Invincible with a beginning, middle, and an end and now the IP is reaching more people than ever.
Kirkman just has the magic touch, there are many dozens of creator-owned comics that don't get big adaptations.
It worked, though. He had talent, was given opportunity, and it paid off.
It’s literally how Manga worked for decades! Creators own the IP, but if the IP doesn’t sell then nobody has any reason to pick it up and publish or it gets cancelled after a little while. And that’s why Manga has way more pull here than capeshit.
For decades, there were only a handful of Japanese titles most Americans were interested in.
Yeah, it’s relatively recent. But you ever notice that in the same span of time, Western comics really started to go to shit after Marvel and DC thought they could hire people off social media and give us stuff like
?
As an aside “Unsolicited Opinions About Israel!?!?” is one of those timeless panels that only gets more abhorrent as time goes on in the Middle East. It never fails to have people furious and whining about cherry-picking, the only other thing I can think of that’s nearly as good is the “What if Miles was Thor?” comic as he shouts “By Odin’s Fade.” When even the audience they *desperately want* felt insulted and belittled, you realize that these aren’t serious companies.
Well Marvel did try the creator owned thing themselves for a over a decade and just let it peter out https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Icon_Comics
Of all those comics, Kick-Ass and The Secret Service are the only ones normies would know about and a terrible movie sequel killed all further interest in the former.
One single manga Kimetsu No Yaiba outsold Marvel and DC combined in 2021. Marvel and DC can never live that pathetic embarrassment down, and the Cancel Pigs are at fault for failing that hard. The funniest part is that Kimetsu No Yaiba was created, written and drawn by a woman- they can't continue to claim that women are oppressed in comics-female creators are celebrated. Rumiko Tamaki, Hiromu Arakawa, Koyoharu Gotouge, and Naoko Takeuchi are extremely successful female comics creators who are beloved in America and the rest of the world. We don't hate female creators. We only hate the female Cancel Pig creators, because they create nothing but unsellable garbage that only appeals to them.
>They’re never going to get fired
That wasn't the point, moron. The point was, you can't get mad because they want some rando comic shop owner fired, when people call for them to be fired all the time too.
They’re going to have way easier time screwing over the rando than the rando is at screwing them over, you dumbfrick. And they know it. And they’re gleeful about it.
The rando didn’t call anyone out by name. He just complained about the industry in general terms. Whose firing did he demand? Nobodies.
The direct market is dying and Retailers are left holding the bag. Their frustration is left boiling over and they’re right to feel that way. They’re the ones who actually have to sell a bad product to people, Marvel and DC don’t care as long as long as the retails keep buying and stocking.
>you can't get mad at muggers because they get mugged too
Frick off, I'm not going to be empathetic towards people who actively try to harm others. Your whataboutism isn't going to work
>you can't get mad at muggers because they get mugged too
False equivalency.
>Frick off, I'm not going to be empathetic towards people who actively try to harm others.
You demand empathy for one set of people while denying it for others.
>someone supposedly tried to fire them, that means they are justified in trying to fire a retailer that criticized self-inserts
That's not how it works, moron. You aren't allowed to harm innocent people just because something bad happened to you. And where's your empathy towards the retailer? You very clearly only want empathy to go to one side
What do you expect? These are the people who are fine with heroes acting like villains in comics. It explains why Wish's hero character is so selfish while everyone treats them like paragons of virtue.
It is all the same merry-go-round. But your tribalism means you downplay/obsfucate one side and exagerate the other. The creators on twitter are homosexuals. You guys are homosexuals too.
Source on Cinemaphile calling the bosses of people in order to get them fired?
>implying Cinemaphile hasn't done far worse
How new are you
How long are you going to deflect? You are bouncing between cancel culture not being a thing and being ok because we supposedly do it.
Nobody is going to look at the Milkshake Girls and say
>maybe they harassed people for years, but Cinemaphile
Insulting some hack's bad writing anonymously on Cinemaphile is not the same thing as going after a guy whose financial livelihood literally depends on a product that no one wants to buy anymore because the new people in charge suck dick (literally or figuratively) at their jobs.
Sounds like he made a bad business choice hitching his livelihood to a product that hasn't been relevant or healthy since 1993 at the latest
So you agree with him that comics suck now and that's that.
>He literally has. Go and watch some of his stuff.
Where?
https://www.youtube.com/@thecomicbookpalace1975
Which videos did he complain about politics, wokeness or whatever strawman you have
Are you honestly suggesting the whole "everything is a self insert" thing wasn't a culture wars/political thing?
Yes, because he said people liked Miles Morales.
Man that shut up that other anon fast
And? Miles Morales has become the one exception. Miles is a shit character but even South Park mentioned him as an exception. It is the equivalent of saying, i am not racist, I have one black friend.
Are all your arguments "this sounds like the argument someone I don't like used"? What about you address what that guy actually said?
>What about you address what that guy actually said?
I have already and you ignored it. The product is no longer the medium of comics. The product is the complaining about comics, the culture wars. Do bad self-inserts exist? Sure. Same as bad politics or w/e. But endlessly complaining does absolutely nothing. It is just a back and forth.
I have been reading comics for a long time and guess what, even back in the day sometimes a character you like would have a shit run. And you would drop it or wait for a new creative run. Instead we get the constant doom and gloom from people who either, never read comics anyway or alternatively, buy the slop and endlessly complain about it.
Most of these people don't actually seem to like the medium that much anyway. There are good comics out there but we are constantly stuck listening to people complain about the same few capeshit books.
Who asked your opinion? On the other hand people actually asked for the retailer's opinion
>Who asked your opinion?
>What about you address what that guy actually said?
Read the reply chain, newbie
>We’re having way more shit runs than good ones.
Superhero comics have always been like that.
>Why are you upset?
I'm more bored at the same constant conversations that go no where.
That's not a contradiction, nobody invited you to this thread. You think you are entitled to giving your opinion about the industry while complaining when the retailer does it. You can leave the thread now if you are tired of this discussion, put the word "comic" in the Cinemaphile filter, nobody is gonna miss you
Why are you so sensitive, anon. You just can't seem to accept anyone else's opinion.
>Superhero comics have always been like that
I’ve read through a lot of the Spider-Man collections before. It only started getting bad later on, and I feel pretty comfortable in saying that this is the worst the book has ever been. Worse than Clone Saga. Worse than Dan Slott/Brand New Day. It’s a low point in the books and even the normies are starting to take notice.
I suppose they’re right in that fan anger correlated to engagement, because I was content to let the Big Two just shrivel up and die on their own since about 2015. I largely ignored ComicsGate beyond going “yeah, the industry has gone to shit, there’s nothing controversial about saying it.” Now I’m actively b***hing about them again!
I don’t think this is resulting in any actual *money* for them though.
>I have been reading comics for a long time and guess what, even back in the day sometimes a character you like would have a shit run.
We’re having way more shit runs than good ones. Over and over again. I wouldn’t be so mad about the industry if the characters *I* liked had good books, but as it is Marvel is convinced that they’re doing 4D chess by making books that are intentionally bad and “an enraged fan is an engaged fan”
Why are you upset? This is the audience they’ve always been shooting for. Enraged and engaged!
>It is the equivalent of saying, i am not racist, I have one black friend.
Yeah it means at least he has friends, unlike you
he's been in business 30 years you dumb frick.
>Rather than constantly moaning about things being shit he could be thinking up ways to make his business work.
or he could do both and try to stop the slow heat death of the industry that he's passionate about.
Why are you acting as having an opinion is something that needs to be justified? Criticism isn't some kind of unholy act
>oink oink oink
Go back where you came from Cancel Pig. Your homosexualry gives you no power here.
>oink oink
Quiet down Cancel Pig.
are you trying to like start a "thing"? this is such an embarassing post
>oink oink
I don't know if it's true anymore but Diamond used to/may still make retailers buy a certain number of shit books in order to receive the rest of their monthly order.
>Diamond used to/may still make retailers buy a certain number of shit books in order to receive the rest of their monthly order.
That doesn't sound legal.
Diamond does not require purchasing specific books. Diamond requires a minimum total order to retain a retailer account. After all, they are a wholesaler. If they didn't have a minimum, everyone would just buy their comics straight from Diamond for a 45% discount.
Any minimums for specific titles are implemented by the publisher.
Thanks anon, I misremebered that.
Why do these guys think they can be on camera? If you're too ugly to be on-screen, you stick to doing voiceovers. It's like MasakoX having the viewer looking at his pizzaface for the entire video. No one wants to look at your fricking face. They want to hear you talk about the topic of the video which can be done with just your voice.
about self-inserts in comic books
>immediately calls Miles Morales "one of the good ones"
based and funnybookpilled
Yeah, that was a weird moment.
>kids like Miles
>kid will want to read comics about Miles
>all of Miles comics fricking suck
>kids refuse to read Miles
Not that hard. I know Cinemaphile likes to pretend that no one on Earth likes the character, but there are plenty of teenagers and little kids who have grown up with the character. They do into bookstores or LCS, expecting to see either Into the Spider-Verse Miles or a grown up version of Spin from Spidey and his Amazing Friends, only to get dumb bullshit about "WOW; SPIDER-MAN IS BLACK!", Miles being used as a "Howdy-do fellow bipocs?" banner, or the umpteenth time he's retreading an old Peter story with no new twist. Miles has always been a massively wasted opportunity to take risks with Spider-Man as a character, so he definitely falls into the pit of creators not doing anything new in comics.
>has always been a massively wasted opportunity to take risks
When was the last time the industry had the opportunity to take a massive risk... and it paid off?
Ultimate Comics, honestly.
>Miles has always been a massively wasted opportunity to take risks with Spider-Man as a character
And what risks are those?
You can genuinely frick over Miles in a way that no editor would let happen to Peter. You can let Miles actually become a menace, or permanently keep a symbiote. All of the kissless virgin subplots they keep trying to pile on Peter can go to him. Hell; even though they did nothing with it, Into the Spiderverse set up a cool dichotomy with his dad in that HE was the one who killed the uncle who taught Miles his big important lesson. Miles resents his dad for it, while being forced to play nice as Spider-Man to keep his cover. It could even lead into genuine stories about Miles following a darker path by not trusting police or even the criminal justice system via his distrust of his dad. Even the concept of "Being seen as a menace both inside AND outside the costume" would be a breath of fresh air.
Cancel pigs say oink oink. Laugh at their moronic takes every time you see them. Ridicule is their kryptonite.
is he right?
Kind of.
He's right in the sense that writing does not usually require the input of the reader
That said writing established characters is a different beast from writing your creator-owned stuff, because with decades-established characters there's already a built in expectation from the audience. You either have to give them what they expect, or give them something better. If it fails then it means you did neither and need to scrap it, fast.
>as natural as iceman's coming out
Holy KEK. Though I guess it makes sense for a troony to be delusional.
>it's just incredibly trans. His story is failure upon failure.
You got that right, kek. Also a transformation chamber? Guess it takes sci-fi gadgets to pass.
He just turned Superboy in to himself. Brian Mags Visaggio can't keep his fetish out of his writing.
>just turned Superboy
The pitch was rejected
He is bragging on twitter about writing a popular IP and transing out one of the characters. He couldn't get Superboy but he's trooned out whatever popular IP he's working on now. Also, he blocked me on twitter even though I never interacted with him online or in real life.
It'll be Jimmy Olson.
I'm possibly the most liberal person here, and I'm glad this shit didn't happen.
It's too much to take.
It reminded me of a bunch of people asking for Harley Quinn to be trans. How about be better written, do you know that one?
Shut up and write the stuff I want or I'll have Gupta and Chat GPT do it.
Sort of
Ram V hasn't hijacked characters to my knowledge and I did enjoy his original work
It's good not to piss off your audience but it's also valuable to make sure your own creativity isn't compromised
If he's breaking someone else's toys, that's bad
If he's breaking his own toys, that's fine
No, but he's attacking the OP and defending the idea of not taking the audience into account, not respecting characters, and self-inserting. Just a litany of delusional takes from him and other "pros." Funnily enough, he also doesn't sell well which is obviously a problem for retailers like OP.
cheers bud
Spurrier is the epitome of urban millennial homosexual. Condescending, haughty and ignorant while believing himself to be the exact opposite of all those.
Who are the biggest cancel piggies in the Cancel Pig pig pen?
>Gail Simone
>Kelly Thompson
>Heidi McDonald
>Donny Cates
>Si Spurrier
>Kelly Sue Deconnick
>Heather Antos
Who else belongs on the Cancel Pig list?
The guy who cancelled "Star Trek", he should make the list.
Damon Lindelof?
He appears to have been born after it was cancelled, but what the hell, he looks kind of annoying anyway. Put him on the Enemies List.
>Put him on the Enemies List.
call it the Pig Pen. All Cancel Pigs must be named and shamed.
>Jamal Igel
>Vita Ayala
What other Cancel Pigs belong in the Pig Pen?
Kelly Thompson
The entire whisper network must be purged out of the mainstream comics industry. Let them write LGBTQ+ slice of life comics with their own characters. It's honestly a niche they might be able to succeed in if they created their own original IPs instead of turning every mainstream super hero book in to an LGBTQ slice of life comic.
Abe Simpson?
What a hack.
Sort of but you have no ground to stand on when you cry no one is buying your shit when you refuse to make anything people want
It's dancing around the point. No, you shouldn't just write a checklist of requests from a specific nerd who wants Peter to have a harem or anything.
What people generally mean by "write what readers want" is to deliver something that's entertaining based on the expectations readers have for the kind of stories these characters should have, with the personalities they expect, that leaves them satisfied with the purchase.
I'm sure Frank Miller wrote what he wanted to write.
Sure, his later works sucked balls, but Daredevil is, like, the cornerstone of the character.
He's absolutely write but the problem is you aren't really allowed to do that in main stream comics that make up most of the sales and industry, you are still confined by the editors and business of capeshit. Not even getting into the lack of talent of the capeshit writers these days.
Holy frick what a pseud.
Ehh, kind of. Thing is when you're trying to sell your writing for cash money then a writer should adapt to their audience. It's a balancing act where if a writer goes too far one way it becomes sovless, designed-by-committee corporate slop that AI could write. Too far the other way by ignoring the audience and the work becomes pure mental masturbation for a writer only interested in their own personal hang-ups and fixations. Which is fine for personal projects, but not when the writer gets pissy that their masterpiece for the ages that should rival Homer as a cornerstone of literature has poor reviews and sells like dogshit.
What a homosexual. He's 100% wrong.
And that's why no one buys his shit.
Imagine applying this logic to any other industry.
>Management should care about demand, factory workers not so much.
Good fricking luck trying to convince Pepsi to take 600,000 cans of your artisanal bourbon instead of the Mountain Dew they paid you to make.
>meanwhile, actual accomplished writers
>but i am le artiste...
>my audience wanted to see children run a train in a sewer.
da frick was wrong with people back then?
Was Stephen King wrong? It was a huge success. His audience obviously did want to read about that.
>Neutered Zoomer cries out against one of the most successful writers ever
Your neutered brain is exactly why it's impossible for you to be on the level of Stephen King, you just regurgitate what you're told to say and believe, you don't have a bold individual vision that can make up a huge part of culture.
To be fair, King hasn't exactly been the mover he once was. I wouldn't be surprised if he's been dictating his ideas to a ghostwriter and giving a thumbs up after a once over.
Yeah, as much as people complain how "problematic" his coke days books were, people are still reading and talking about them and not something like Cell or Lisey's Story.
Yeah I don't see how anything Stephen King wrote is any different from the darkest things Mark Millar has written for example. He had a time traveling villain go back in time and molest a heroine when she was 13, then traveled forward in time again so her adult version froze up in shock every time she saw him. Mark Millar is one of the highest selling comic writers of the modern era and Stephen King is one of the best selling authors. People seem to enjoy extremely dark and fricked up shit.
The best comic shop owner I met was an british dude with ponytail who told me I had good taste as a kid for picking up The Question and Armor Wars.
Oink oink! The cancel piggies in this thread are starting to get uppity.
Says the cucks who back awful comicbooks like ISOM just to own the libs.
>oink oink
Isom sucks too. Begone cancel piggy. You are an object of ridicule and scorn.
And you're autistic.
What the frick is a cancel piggy?
If you have to ask then you're streets behind. Cancel piggy is verbal wildfire.
>steets behind
What year is it?
Formerly known as "social justice warriors", Cancel pigs are clowns who try to form digital lynch mobs to cancel and destroy the lives of people who say things they don't like. When you see a cancel pig oinking in the digital mud puddle, laugh at them. Ridicule is the krpytonite of cancel pigs, they don't know how to respond when their tattling and digital lynch mobbing isn't taken seriously.
Literally no one is doing that here, you homosexual
>Ridicule
So, when others ridicule people you like, that's bad. But when you ridicule people you dislike, that's good. So when you cancel people, that's good. When others cancel people, that's bad.
>oink oink
Ok piggy.
Anon, stop trying to coin the phrase: "cancel piggy".
>oink oink oink
The only people offended by getting called a Cancel Pig are cancel pigs. Go back to your mud puddle, little cancel piggy. I dare you to oink at me again. It gets funnier every time you do.
The Cancel Pigs in this thread are very upset about getting called Cancel Pigs. You love to see it. Keep oinking, piggies!
Is it a proper noun or an improper noun? The capitalisation is inconsistent.
It's both. Anyone who oinks for cancellation is a Cancel Pig.
WWWWHHHHHAAAA!!! YOU ARE NOT ALLOWED TO CRITIC ME!
>oink oink
Ok cancel piggy
>complain about self-inserts in comic books
this is so fricking funny when Spider-Man you know exists
I am not saying Spidey is a self insert for Ditko and Lee, I'm saying that nerdy comic fans easily self insert as him
But Peter was able to last long past the point Ditko stopped writing. He changed, he grew, but he never stopped being someone who was fun to read about for a long time.
I’m Indian and I still prefer Peter Parker to Parvitr Prabhakar. People are generally writing about themselves and their hang ups over the characters in the books though. I am not Spider-Man. If I were to write Spider-Man, I’d have no interest in writing him as an Indian person, or having Peter written so that his life now revolves around my personal problems. An author should enjoy what they write, but always write the their audience in mind.
>I'm saying that nerdy comic fans easily self insert as him
That isn't a self-insert, you goddamned idiot.
Well maybe it he didn't keep a shop open half a day for six days a week and didn't have an angelfire website, things might be good.
If you start violently attacking leftist comic nerds for making cringe comics, you unironically become even worse than the Antifa and BLM morons who burned cities during the summer of peaceful protests. No, violence is not the answer. Ridiculing them and laughing in the faces and calling them Cancel Pigs is much more effective. Being victims and saying they are being threatened with violence is exactly what they want. Damseling themselves is their favorite past time. In fact, I would not be suprised if you are one of the Cancel Pigs false flagging the thread by making a call to violence to try to get jannies to delete it.
It's an obvious false-flag. You can make those people cry by using the wrong pronoun, no one who isn't a queer marxist even thinks about using violence against ideological enemies in the arts.
They are so predictable and always use the same Rules for Radicals playbook. Sad!
Because then you just end up on the news as some fat nerd who tried to punch someone at comic con at best. Like that guy who tried to kill the original Green Ranger.
Have you guys watched Ya Boi Zack recently? Because I don't know what the frick he's smoking. On one breath says that the cancel pigs tried to push others into suicide, and on the other says that they losing their reputation is enough punishment. He literally says that the reason cancel culture worked is because victims believed the mob, when in reality it's because they infiltrated all media companies and had the power to destroy anyone's reputation. He really thinks that because there's no cancel culture anymore Marvel and DC are going to fire all the incompetent people. He's so delusional about comics improving, it's genuinely sad
The far left exists to be bait for the right so the middle-left can point and scream and pass laws. Rightoids brag about kicking antifa's ass then they're frog marched into prison crying, "but they started it."
Trump losing and Biden being Biden (center-right and suddenly everything “Trumpian” is good) unironically sucked the life out of them. They were way more vicious and hateful from 2016 to 2020, now that they’ve won there’s nothing left but for the industry to dry up as they realized they killed their market and turned away consumers. Same thing as with Disney. The Comics Broke Me hashtag was wild. They were the ones in charge of the industry!
Anyways good on the retailers for realizing they’re basically Marvel/DC’s pay pigs and deciding to push back. It’s too late, but at least we can reflect.
>we
Aww he thinks he's a part of something...cuuuuute!
I've only barely paid attention but it seems like most people hated this fat failing businessman. Comic book stores were a mistake.
That’s the only place they can sell their shit besides graphic novels, and have you seen how little shelf space there is for that shit that compared to Manga?
The fat failing businessman is the only one keeping their fricking business alive, because Gen Z wasn’t fooled by basic-b***h pandering since the books were still bad and they saw no reason to buy it.
>That’s the only place they can sell their shit
That's the problem. Confining comics to shitty small businesses and barely anywhere was a mistake we are paying for today. Obviously the newspaper stands were dying out and they needed a new thing but the comic store hasn't been working out for at least 30 years now.
We’re never getting comics on newsstands back, and Marvel and DC really like the current model besides.
The retailers are the ones who absorb most of the liability, after all.
Obviously the news stands are deader than comic book stores and have been unviable since the fricking 70s, but the current model isn't working either and hasn't for decades. I can't imagine Marvel and DC like it, everyone in industry right now is complaining about it dying.
>everyone in industry right now is complaining about it dying.
Nope. The Cancel Pigs are trying to gaslight everyone and keep oinking about comics doing better than ever before.
No people have been complaining about the industry dying for years now, because it is dying. It's in shit spot and they know it. It's been in a shit spot since the 90s really but it's getting especially bad recently and everyone is aware just arguing over who to blame.
No, we still got glowing articles about market growth and “comics are bigger than ever!” thanks to scholastic during the whole ComicsGate debacle.
They’re only catching up to what people were saying all this time just now, especially since the movie money is dying.
I see a lot more articles about how shit it is but the success of scholastic and stuff like that just goes to show how over comic book stores are
They keep arguing that because Manga is selling well, and because Dogman and scholastic is doing well, the direct market is thriving and it’s all they’re doing.
It’s part of why so much pushback from retailers and successful burnouts like Mark Millar have them losing their shit. They don’t care about what the fans think or are buying, they hate them. But if the retailers aren’t buying from them then they’ve lost everything, and that’s why Cebluski had to make phone calls to individual shops when they said GODS cost too much and wouldn’t sell l.
And it’s the retailers who have to care about what the fans think.
I don't get how if Cebulski loves manga so much, how is he so out of touch with what audiences want? Mangafying Marvel comics and copying their successful business model is the obvious solution but he refuses to do it. They still insist on selling expensive full color comics that no one wants instead of copying what's successful-cheap black and white stories written by a single creator for its entire run with minimal woke shit and political agenda pushing in it.
What you really should be worrying about is the fact that they are trying to rewrite history and gaslight people into thinking that cancel culture was never something serious. Don't let people forget, keep the receipts
In the 00s they started releasing a lot more trades into bookstores and it did work for a while. But the interest in the trades they're putting out now is waning, such as it goes.
The quality just isn’t there. Almost everything is middling to bad, and I’m not willing to go on this quality roller coaster again even if it did manage to be good just as often as if it was bad.
What I’ve noticed in particular is that bad writers have no problem wrecking a book in the span of pages, whereas better ones have to spend entire issues lining everything up.
It’s why Nick Spencer spent years trying to undo One More Day with his run, only for a moron like Wells to just say SIX MONTHS LATER and break them up again by means of a shitty mystery box. And those subsequent revelations only left us more confused and pissed off.
>But the interest in the trades they're putting out now is waning, such as it goes.
It doesn't help that a full color Marvel or DC trade is generally about $20-$25 for below 90 pages of colored comics. You can get 200+ page manga tankobons for $10 and the story is better. Manga are not only telling better stories that connect with audiences, but they are also cheaper and more affordable value. One floppy costs $5+ now for 20 pages of decompressed storytelling and 8 pages of ads. For the price of 2 shitty floppies, you can get 1 200 page manga book.
Report this false flagging idiot for being off topic and calling to raid. No one is calling for violence. Ridicule and laughter is much more effective and removes all power. Ridicule and laughter is how the French Revolution and proto Cancel Pig homosexuals like Robespierre were ultimately defeated. People like Gail Simone and Heather Antos are very much effected by being labeled as powerless Cancel Piggies.
Frick off. They’re already losing now. Their shit isn’t selling, they aren’t being listened to.
Letting them run in with bloodied shirts is just going to let them engage in PR and marketing bullshit. It’s apathy and indifference that kills their business. So stop trying to astroturf for a product barely anyone cares about anymore.
Because it’s already dying anyways so why get in trouble pointlessly. The opposite of love isn’t hate, it’s apathy and casual disdain.
Woke ideology is literally based on the principle of taking advantage of your victimhood status. Only a falseflagger would suggest giving them ammunition
Their entire power base is built on damseling themselves and acting like cry-bully victims of oppression. Take that way and laugh at them instead, and it exposes them for what they truly are. Cancel pigs.
*take that away
how are comic book writers who exist within a dying industry, wherein they'd be D-list writers at best 25 years ago, more egocentric than actual accomplished authors?
I don't give a shit about those crowdfunded comics, I want my Batmans and Spidermans to not be godawful.
We had a good 40something years for both, but all things come to an end.
This. No longer caring what happens is what has finally gotten them to start panicking.
It’s too late to fix things, the industry is broken. Getting invested is just a waste of time, but it’s fun to at least post bad panels on Cinemaphile and say “look at these stupid frickers”
They like to think that people are obsessed with them, but the truth is that not even Clownfish TV and Yellow Flash are able to get good views on videos making fun of comics (videos making fun of Disney is where the money's at), people have moved on to other mediums.
Take into account that the average Marvel/DC comic gets 8k sales. Meanwhile I watch vtubers with more views than that
>the comic industry, specifically Marvel and DC, got comfortable squeezing out and gouging their current generation of readers who stuck around after the crash/came in from first X-Men or Spider-Man movies
>ignore the changing market and trends and distribution methods of other entertainment mediums for literal decades
>the generation they’ve been gouging for decades is rapidly shrinking and due to the previous point there’s no generation to replace them
>Marvel and DC had been coasting so long on cheap pops that get the old generation excited (relaunches, character deaths, other outrage shit) they no longer have any idea how to reach an audience beyond that
>back issues that got the current generation hooked sell like gangbusters with a new generation, new issues have no real appeal due to previous point
>blame some no name writer for their take on fricking Hellcat or something for their store failing
I really, really hope Marvel and DC cancel all their print books and just do stuff like their app-exclusive shit for new content. The Big Two are dead. Bury them. Consider this mercy.
>the content isn't bad, it's just the distribution method
Manga literally has no distribution method in Latam and they still read it through piracy, they actively look for it because they like the content.
Your idea that people would consume something just for convenience is ridiculous because entertainment competes with other forms of entertainment for everyones time
This. They put DC Superman and Batman books in Walmart and they didn't sell. Now when you go to the book section in Walmart the entire thing is manga and all the good books and volume 1s of series are constantly selling out.
>random stories collected haphazardly into $10 collections, most of which are continuity heavy
>didn’t sell with normies
Gawsh who could’ve seen that coming??
I think those Batmand and Superman books were supposed to be anthologies, like Shonen Jump or older comics. But that shit ain't work over here.
They were full color and sold for expensive prices. Shonen Jump are cheap and disposable and sell for about $5 for hundreds of pages of new comics. On top of that, the covers are always fun full of appealing characters that appeal to kids. Superman and Batman are now associated with old man stories for boomers. I think Super Sons as a black and white comic packaged as a manga could have worked, but they completely fricked that up by aging up Jon and turning him gay.
Yeah probably because people know those things exist, literally any time I tell normies at work I still get comics the response is, without fail,
>they still make those?
Which goes back to my point of
>ignore other entertainment medium’s changes in favor of coasting on a few thousand nerd’s neetbux
If you’re going to sit there and claim the medium is in the dire straits it’s in because of a fricking Fire and Ice book you’re even more moronic than the guy in OP’s pic.
Yeah, bro, I'm sure nobody knows that the biggest movie franchise of the past decade had comics
Yeah bro and I’m sure big 2 comics are selling sub-100,000 copies a month because of a tiny panel in a Fire and Ice comic
If you don't see a problem with action series about fighting supervillains becoming slice of life series with toddler humor then you are never gonna make it
>sub-100,000 copies a month
Lmao, they are selling 8k per number
>If you don't see a problem with action series about fighting supervillains becoming slice of life series with toddler humor then you are never gonna make it
You mean like Giffen, DeMatteis, and Maguire’s Justice League?
No. Not like that.
I hate to break this to you dipshit but Giffen and DeMatteis literally said they made the book into a sitcom since they couldn’t use Superman, Wonder Woman,
or any other heavy hitters
It's not a book, it's many books. As posted here in a quote by Dean Koontz:
>There is a law of economics which describes the insidious nature of currency inflation: 'Bad money always drives out good.' This same law could be applied to publishing. When the number of badly written books far outnumbers the good books within any category of fiction, then that category will suffer a decline in popularity. For a time, it seemed that half the shelf space in bookstores was given over to bodice rippers. Of the scores of new titles that appeared every month, 90 percent were wretched beyond description. Readers of the genre, confronted by this bewildering array of titles, which were all identically packaged, were so often burned by amateurish or cynically written books that they kept their money in their pockets or went looking for something new and different to read. The bodice ripper is still a profitable category of fiction, but the sales floor beneath it is substantially lower than was once the case, and the number of titles being published in that previously dominant genre has declined dramatically in the past two years.
>it’s not a book it’s many books
Y’know every time someone wants to claim it’s woke that’s killing comics they always post examples from comics that literally no one gives a shit about. America Chavez, Hellcat, even that “unsolicited opinions about Israel” was from fricking Angela. I’m a charactergay and all the books I get from the big 2 are predominantly Superman, Batman, spider-man, and x-men. And, maybe aside from x-men, there’s no woke shit in those books. The issues with those books are that they’re geared towards homosexuals like me who’ve been reading this shit for thirty years and not little Johnny sonuvab***h who just saw spider-verse and wants to read fun spider-man adventures.
oink oink
Who are you trying to gaslight, cancel piggy?
>spider-man
You’re going to have to help with what’s woke about this page the definition is constantly changing so maybe I missed the latest update
Cuckoldry
Oh, I didn’t realize cuckoldry was considered woke now I thought it was still a meme Cinemaphile pretends to get off on ironically
They're certainly trying to say having a problem with this plotline is misogynistic and hateful.
It's really a bad attempt at using an Uno Reverse Card on all the normies who complained that Mary-Jane's portrayal was fricked up and demeaning, but that just goes to show you how disingenuous the people writing this garbage an be. They've cultivated a heard of seals who'll clap any time they vaguely mumble out 'own the chuds' but unfortunately those same seals also can't be forced to buy these comics.
I never mentioned "wokeness." That being said, the reason why many morons with no understanding of storytelling or character voice and who have terrible sales are hired is because of progressive employment policies. See: Tini Howard, Danny Lore, Leah Williams, Rainbow Rowell, Joanne Starer, Jadzia Axelrod, Alyssa Wong, Sarah Gailey, Mariko Tamaki, Vita Ayala.
All of these comics writers are completely talentless, but only a few are Cancel Pigs
>Y’know every time someone wants to claim it’s woke I'm given plenty of examples and sales figures and leading quotes from people in the industry and choose to ignore everything
>I’m given the same examples over and over from comics for a fringe even for comics audience
Boy you sure got me
I love how everyone itt immediately pegged the falseflagger for what they were lmao
Cancel pigs are just that predictable. I still won't be surprised if I see a bleedingcool article by Rich Johnston or Heidi McDonald screenshotting those posts and using it for evidence about how oppressed they are and how evil their critics are.
Exactly. DC does not understand the market at all. DC and Marvel have no idea what kids want these days. Marvel has a slight advantage because kids love Spider-man and some still love the MCU characters, but DC is completely fricked due to how much they screwed up their live action films. They even had a chance to have a hit tv show with Titans. They should have made it fun and bright like the cartoon-instead they gave us grimdark and linebacker shoulders troony looking Starfire.
>It says 4.99 on the Batman cover.
They're selling it for $14.95 now. When I saw it at my local walmart it was $14.95
They don't EVEN SELL THESE AT WALMART NOW STOP BAITING!!
You're right they tried selling these for $4.99 at Walmart first. Even then, they failed hard. Now the book shelves are filled only with manga and Disney graphic novels about Ariel or Sally from Nightmare before Christmas
They were trying to sell them at Walmart, but failed because the art looks like boring boomer stories for old men. Zoom zooms don't think this shit is cool. And Jon Kent and gay Robin remind them of their millenial groomer rainbow haired school teachers. Super Sons definitely could have succeeded but DC fricked it all up. Their only hope is De-Aging Jon and retconning him so he never grows up in to a homo.
Whatever but the prices were never 14.95.
>the art looks like boring boomer stories for old men. Zoom zooms don't think this shit is cool.
righ, why thee frick have Lex on the cover TWICE? Do you think kids want to read abour a bald middle aged fat guy? Robin looks like shit ont he cover too, not the cool 2003 TT version. Plastic Man just seems old fashioned.
Even the graphic design looks like 50 year old comics to make some 50 year olds clap. Just dull all around.
t. 50-year-old boomers pretending to be zoom-zooms
No, that's the people writing and reading this crap. Dying, aged out manchildren on both sides of this slapfight. Look at Dan Slott or Tom Brevoort or Dan Didio: morbidly obese manchildren obsessed with the comics staying exactly as they were when they were twelve and calling us Nazis for criticizing this shit.
Yeah, you're exactly like them
I'm thirty years old and I'm so fricking burnt out on these people and their bullshit already. It's incessant. Just let Marvel and DC fricking die already, who cares? They don't!
>DC and Marvel die
>Get bought by different companies
You don't understand how this works do you? They'll never die always there in one form or another
Daddy Disney and Time Warner are also not doing too hot, anon. The IP will survive, we'll get movies and cartoons and toys, but the subsidiaries are in danger.
Comic book companies make terrible product no one wants. Some guy who has a store that sells said product says products are bad need new product that is better. Somehow this is controversial.
This guy mindbroke and exposed the woke cancel pigs by himself.
He just put out a video just now talking about how surprised he was at his comments blowing up the internet.
Glen is going to be painted as a Nazi now because EVS is trying to turn what Glen said into being about black people and trans and all that culture war shit when that’s not what he was saying.
>oink oink. EVS said nothing about nazis and trans people in the comment you screen shotted, idiot cancel pig. Stop projecting your idiotic woke cult religion on to everything and everyone around you. Seek help.
The Cancel Pigs exposed themselves as cry-bullies who do not practice what they preach. All this talk about fat acceptance and tolerance and the first thing they do to someone who says things they don't like is body shame him and make fun of him for being fat.
>All this talk about fat acceptance and tolerance and the first thing they do to someone who says things they don't like is body shame him and make fun of him for being fat.
And I might add this reminds me of Lizzo, the former hero of the Cancel Pig leftist woketards.
Are you stupid? Thats all EVS is about you clown. He does nothing but b***h about black people and LGBT.
>oink oink
Is EVS in the room with you right now, cancel pig? Is he in the walls?
What are you going to say if Glen comes out saying he thinks EVS is a scum bag? You going to change your mind about Glen?
>Oink oink
The cancel piggies are trying a basic b***h divide and conquer maneuver now. I have no love for the fat baldy youtuber EVS OR the lolcow Eric July. Oink harder.
If you have no love for him then why defend him you idiot? Him endorsing Glen only hurts the message.
>oink oink
Keep oinking cancel piggy. When have I defended EVS? You are the moron obsessed with him who can't get his name out of your mouth. Oink again. I dare you.
Millar and a shitton of industry old-timers (Gerry Conway, Chuck Dixon, etc) do a pretty good job of shitting on what the industry has become while not engulfing themselves in comicsgate bs
>But Dixon is working for Rippaverse!!
So? He's just making a comic for them and not engaging with EVS and every lib-owner that wants him to suck their nuts.
Why do the cancel pigs hate EVS so much? You oinkers are obsessed with the fat bald idiot for some reason.
I didn’t say anything about Dixon or the rippaverse. The problem is EVS. You know the guy that says he wants to see someone’s kid get assaulted.
>oink oink
Cancel harder, cancel pig
How is it canceling for me to say he’s a piece of shit and that any association to him can make you look bad?
Because your kind uses that as a jusification to dismiss anyone who criticises them, therefore never reflecting on their mistakes. If Hitler said "don't jump off a cliff", you'd do it just because he said. That's your dumbass logic.
>your kind
I agree with Glen. That’s why I’m worried about EVS trying to insert himself into this you clown.
Who gives a frick? EVS is says he's against child molestation, therefore I should be running around trying to frick kids?
Frick you! There's no way out of there, and I can't say 'hey EVS, only say nice things about the comic for our nonexistent PR.'
This isn't a "movement" you fricking moron, we're just not purchasing these people's shit.
But I’d like to see this industry change and it makes it that much harder to criticize the industry when you got racist homophobs like EVS coming over and trying to act like he’s one of you.
>got racist homophobs like EVS coming over and trying to act like he’s one of you. Oink oink!
How are you any different than Heidi MacDonald or Rich Johnston right now, piggy?
So you’re saying we all have to be pro Nazi?
Nobody here is pro-anything, dipshit. Show me how much money I'm putting in EVS's pocket vs your friends.
This isn't a movement, this is just normal people fed with bad business and bad books. have a nice day.
You’re a Nazi pretending to be apolitical.
So the mask is off then. You're just a pro industry shill. The guy calling you a "cancel piggy" was right all along.
No if anything it’ll make the industry even more progressive to “compensate.” All I ask is for Glen to distance himself from EVS by condemning him. I’m on Glens side.
Glen isn't a fricking movement, he's just this guy named Glen who b***hed about a comic book.
That's what normal people do. I'd rather Glen just ignore EVS or Mags Vissagio or whoever the frick and keep b***hing about comics.
That won't do shit. Like how Palestinians supporters who condemn HAMAS still get lunped as Antisemitic HAMAS supporters despite not saying a single anti israelite thing.
If you support Palestine you’re definitely antisemitic. HAMAS are terrorists.
Let you guess. You also support Russia.
Nice try, but no.
I do think they'll win in the end though because the US's rep with helping others who aren't Israel in conflicts is terrible.
You are so obviously a /misc/tard lol
Only /misc/tards and leftoids care about Marvel or DC anymore.
DC is God
You're a dipshit pretending to be intellectual. I'm not buying a comic book I don't like and that's final. Enjoy EVS, I hope he drags down the industry even further and makes discourse more toxic for everyone. Hopefully it'll get more people to disengage and abandon Marvel/DC.
>posting oink oink when you spent the last 40 posts b***hing about it
Anyways, enjoy your dying industry, I'll go back to not buying things I don't like.
Oink oink!
I told you this gay was a cancel pig trying to blend in.
>Oink oink
Good job invoking Godwin's law, cancel pig. Oink again, it's funny.
So what the frick do I do? Send him to jail? Call the police!?
Frick off! I don't care, concern troll about something else, I'm still not buying your comics.
Soubds more like you're a falseflagger trying to shot on the storekeeper because he doean't condemn EVS explicitly fir existing.
Sounds awfully familiar, not unlike how people sympathising with the plight of Gaza Palestinians are lumped with HAMAS unless they swear fealty to condemn them.
Not muh EVSerino!
Oink harder piggy.
>oink oink How is it canceling for me to say he’s a piece of shit and that any association to him can make you look bad oink oink?
Cancel pig says oink.
Because EVS doesn't like your shitty books, therefore not liking your shitty books means you're just like EVS, meaning don't ask questions just consume product and get excited for more product.
There's no way out of this horseshit, so I'll just say, bluntly, right now. I don't like these shitty books and you can't trick me into not complaining about them. I don't care about what EVS does, he's your problem not mine.
>This guy agrees with this thing therefore the entire position is tainted by default
Any fricking idiot can see that Marvel/DC are on their last legs and on life support, including an idiot like EVS. But not you, because you're a bigger moron than him.
He's right, the books are bad and the business is dying. That's objectively and empirically true at this point.
Glen was on Millar's podcast and he explicitly said that it WASN'T a political thing. The industry wants to pretend it's a political thing to deflect their own shit quality and comicsgaters want to turn it into a political thing to grift their own shit.
Yeah I know. Thats what I’m saying EVS is trying to turn what he said into that and the industry guys that don’t like Glen are going to use EVS endorsing Glen as proof.
>the industry guys that don’t like Glen are going to use EVS endorsing Glen as proof.
who fricking cares what the industry idiots who destroyed the industry do or think? All of them get smacked in the face by karma like broke Mags Visaggio or drug addict divorced moron Donny Cates.
EVS didn't say that at all.
>Oink oink!
What are the cancel pigs oinking about today?
>Glen was on Millar's podcast and he explicitly said that it WASN'T a political thing.
Tell that to the idiot here:
That's not what EVS says there at all.
The pros attacking him are hilarious because they're b***hing that he isn't lying to customers and saying modern mainstream comics are fine. They also defend writing bullshit no one wants to read.
been watching him for years. hes unironically going to save the industry long as he stays away from sciver/comicscuck
but what if sciver doesn’t stay away from him?
Comics are dead LOL
No one reads that garbage. Anyone who says “muh comics…It’s c-canon.” You clowns got fooled. This is a marketing gimmick to fool dumbasses into supporting a clown factory idea experiment. There’s a reason casuals don’t give a frick about comics, not only are they dogshit with zero logic, because it’s a scam meant to give shitty rejected writers a mention on their resumes. Frick the comics, move onto mainstream (though that’s turning into shit as well, just not as shit and off-brand as the poop known as capeshit comics).
Ok bot
if you don't like comics like this you're a chud.
if you point out how this doesn't sell you're a chud.
if you mention how every new female writer from the past 8 years writes like a 12 year old you're a chud.
I have no strong feels about mediocre looking piece of media, it's not worth being mad over though.
They want you mad, though. Their entire philosophy has been "an enraged fan is an engaged fan" so they've been trolling people with intentionally bad books.
But you're right, what's killing them isn't hatred. It's apathy.
These threads seem repetitive.
I look just like him…
Omg
The hilarious thing is that the Canadian Cancel Pigs almost certainly voted for the MPs that gave a member of the SS a standing ovation for fighting Russians in WWII. It was funny when they put the little flags in their twitter bios and were advocating for giving guys with really questionable tattoos money, arms and training. They always fell back on
>calling the Azov battalion "neo-nazis" is Russian disinformation.
But then they had to go and celebrate actual WWII Nazis. If their puppet masters tell them that literal SS members are the good guys they clap like seals.
And the canadian government removed that from record so the other parties couldn't remember then that it happened.
That's the worse part in all of this, not only these people get to write a moral conduct for all of us, they are also able to break it without repercussions. Trudeau and the Game Awards are free to do blackface, but if a cosplayer does it she needs to get banned from the convention. The Milkshake Girls are able to tweet that they want all white men to be killed, but they call people racist for disliking Miles Morales
>this EVS bait image has been floating around all of Cinemaphile
>every other board shits on EVS freely for saying something so moronic
>come to Cinemaphile
>a small group of anti-woke cultists are sucking him off and calling everyone else a "cancel pig"
Hahahahahahahahahaha
/copol/ really is something else. dumber than every other version of tourist
oink oink
What half this shit gotta do with comics, why it still up? I hate this board.
Half this thread is off topic because it's been taken over by sjws and they think they should be allowed to make off topic political posts on every board.
This thread devolved so fricking badly.
This board really is tumblr.
>you can't make fun of this comic writer, he's on my political team
>that makes you..... le TUMBLR
the /copol/ discord isn't sending their best today
Well the Cancel Pigs have sent their best… and they’re pathetic.
My main issue is the prices, its why I buy trades never issues anymore. I enjoy some of the Marvel and DC stuff, I'm more selective now anyway but if I miss something I can easily just watch a youtuber recap it for me