>Complete control of all reality, time, space, matter, etc.
>Still loses
Why was he so, so dumb?
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>Complete control of all reality, time, space, matter, etc. >Still loses
Hubris.
>The devil contract trope
If you don't limitations in a super powerful reality warper there won't be any conflict in the Story
Do you have a problem with the way he got defeated ?
it was pretty good considering most of the time in media his type of character get defeated with the power of friendship most of the time.
>Do you have a problem with the way he got defeated ?
Nta, but I do. gay got crazy reality bending powers and in the end basically lost because he decided to physically chase a couple of kids (and failed at that). Man could blast lasers, stop time and put people to sleep by snapping his fingers (which was literally the first thing he did when he came through into the real world), but noooooooo, he had to chase them little shits ON FOOT
>ON FOOT
He literally turned himself into an angry GIANT pyramid to make it even worse. It was even shown that Bill can move at extreme speed when he first confronted Dipper after making it through the rift. Hirsch even gave him more broken feats like scaring 11D beings or existing in a state of quantum uncertainty in side material outside of the show. He had to bs so many weaknesses for Bill the moment the fricker actually got out because he was too powerful.
>Quantum Gun
>Law of Weirdness Magnetism
>Unicorn Hair Bubble
>Eyeball Weakness
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They should have written it so that his powers only work at full strength in his own dimension; the moment he crosses over he gets 75% nerfed and by the time he realizes this it's too late.
I forget how does he lose again?
>Gravity Falls inherent weird shit is keeping his weirdness contained in a bubble
>the only way to break the bubble and spread to the rest of the world is known by Ford, who won't make a deal with Bill to give him the information
>shit happens
>Bill threatens to kill the twins if Ford doesn't let him inside his head
>"Ford" agrees
>Bill excitedly shakes his hand and jumps in
>while shit was happening Ford and Stan switched clothes and pretended to be each other
>Bill is in Stan's head
>Ford uses memory eraser on Stan
>Bill gets fried with Stan's memories
Though Stan recovers his memories eventually so Bill could still be alive somewhere.
>Bill could still be alive somewhere
While that is certainly possible, he already made a deal with a higher power when he thought he was dead so that probably overrides his ability to come back as he once was.
>he already made a deal with a higher power when he thought he was dead
elaborate?
>"A X O L O T L! My time has come to burn! I invoke the ancient power that I may return."
It's the backwards message that Bill Cipher spoke before being erased. He was invoking the power of a gold-like axolotl that was seemingly more powerful them him. Some people might not know about it since Hirsch expanding on this in the Gravity Falls comic.
He's alive in The Simpsons
>buy crypto suckers
lol, no wonder Alex still has little money
WTF? Why is Jesus hanging out with Luffy?
ay caramba
>a group of trickster gods
>and Jesus
huh.
>he doesn't know
>Complete control
Only in the mindscape, AKA if you're asleep, and only if you do a contract first.
You basically didn't understand the rules. That's why it doesn't make sense.
He literally becomes god and starts fricking shit up in the REAL world, did you not watch the final episodes?
imagine being a literal deity and getting defeated by a kid that probably uses Cinemaphile and jerks off to cartoons in his free time
You said it, he lost because he is dumb
Give a moronic kid godlike powers and he would still be a moronic kid
He only lost due to plot needing him to lose, he has way to many abilities that make his loss nonsensical.
Because people shouldn't write Omnipotent characters that have to lose.
>Omnipotent
He was waaaaaaaaay weaker than that. The problem is that in the end he was less dangerous than a bear. For frick sake.
>he was less dangerous than a bear
That's probably the biggest exaggeration I've ever heard.
This. There’s no way two children should’ve been able to outrun an all-powerful being in pic related’s form. Suspension of disbelief did A LOT in order to make Gravity Falls’s happy ending work.
And that’s all fine and dandy since the core message of the show is that you can take on the world together when you keep your family and loved ones close, but Stan regaining his memory so quickly was a lame copout.
I think the ending would've been perfect if Stan didn't regain his memories at all. Or at least he did but over the course of a few years rather than twenty minutes later.
I always felt him regaining them was a coward move, but when I rewatched the show this year I appreciated the happier ending.
Yeah, after all the hiatuses and the drama, the show needed a feel-good finale.
I appreciate how they tied things back to Mabel's scrapbook and used that to try and job Stan's memory back. They still could've delayed his regaining everything, but the scene leading up to that mid gag with Waddles was very moving.
He's not even close to omnipotent
Near bargain bin tier reality warper tbh
Even a bargain bin reality warper is pretty much omnipotent from the perspective of a cast of mostly normal humans
I'm convinced he was never meant to be the main villain but because Hirsch got sick of working with Disney he came up with something quick to end it with season 2.
Too self prideful
But in backwards time, he has gone from having nothing to controlling everything.
The show was written by a stupid little israelite manlet. Does this answer your question?
it isn't hard to make reality warper characters lose in reasonable ways for example Mr myxzptlk and for the more weeby example kuwagara from medaka box who loses because he's basically forced to lose as the side character he is the jobber and he can't change that
>it isn't hard to make reality warper characters lose in reasonable ways
You can still put a little more effort into it though.
Anon do you have a problem when a character loses in a way that makes sense and is reasonable?
No. But, especially since the designs are so simple I expected more of a spectacle for Bill Cipher's defeat rather than him chasing them.
Gurren Lagann was a good example I think
>it isn't hard to make reality warper characters lose in reasonable ways for example Mr myxzptlk
Myxzptlk works because his premise is that he just likes to play games and go away after losing, he never wanted to take over the world or destroy it.
B-Ball so hard, I'm shocked too
I'm supposed to be locked up too
You escaped what I've escaped
You'd be in Paris getting fricked up too
Should the Zodiac have been used even earlier on? Maybe have it as the reason as why Bill can't use his powers on the main cast, so you don't need to make him a total idiot or use plot armor.
>Why was he so, so dumb?
plot armor.
>Individual being nearly all powerful and capable of 1 shot kill anybody, but fricked up because it got too wienery
Yep, it's the Hol Horse effect all over again
Gravity Falls peaked with Scary-oke. Change my mind.
Season 2A was peak hype: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CQSLFBfZXF0
He had all that power and control within the Gravity Falls bubble. The bubble that only Ford can open. And Ford took precautions to prevent Bill from forcing his hand. Bill NEEDS Ford to make a deal and the kids are his bargaining chips. He can't just threaten to kill them and then do it. He needs to make Ford desperate. So he plays it up with a chase scene.
Bill is so cute, I love his lil tophat
Anyone got examples of all-powerful characters losing in a way that feels believable and satisfying? I always thought Jafar's defeat was pretty good.
There's this Ben 10 alien force DS game, it has a boss battle with Albedo and at the end of it he transforms into Alien X and becomes stuck as a statue you can knock over.
Melody's thighs.