The movie is basically all sizzle no steak. I've read maybe 10 graphic novels or whatever they're called and Akira is one of the best ones by a considerable margin.
The movie was made as love letter to Japanese fans of the manga (of which only 3 volumes of 6 had been written at that time).
Factor in moronic western localisation and no shit its baffling. It was never made for us.
But even on a technical level you should be able to appreciate how groundbreaking this was at the time.
I've know about it for ages, and knew it was regarded as one of the best anime movies of all time and now watched it after a friend recommended it to me. It *looks* great, but the "story" is so all over the place that I honestly don't quite know what was happening half the time.
The movie was made as love letter to Japanese fans of the manga (of which only 3 volumes of 6 had been written at that time).
Factor in moronic western localisation and no shit its baffling. It was never made for us.
But even on a technical level you should be able to appreciate how groundbreaking this was at the time.
Pretty much. It's like a greatest hits package of the most iconic scenes from an unfinished book made at the peak of its popularity. Still great though.
when you got so completely assfricked like Japan got by the USA in two seperate centuries, that leaves a giant scar in the collective soul of a country.
Just look at the delusions and denial from miyazaki, regarding WW2.
Its fricking insane how painstaking this must have been. And with all tech we have today, almost 40 years later, modern animators would struggle to make something half as good looking.
The specious answer is all of them.
The more realistic answer is that hand drawn line art is heavily edited and corrected in post.
One of the major differences between cel and digital (and one of the thing's that drove digitals adoption) is that once you print to a cel back in the day, that was fricking it. No more do overs. No modern animators are used to that measure twice cut once mentality, stuff can always be futzed with these days no matter what stage of production.
They would struggle because a huge amount of the education needed to get this good has simply been lost. Those who have it often get it intuitively and can't communicate what they're doing. Those who can are few and far between and don't teach it. Even if they did the old ways of drawing, including the famous drawing of nude models which is a necessity for learning the concept of weight which is VITAL for good animation, isn't practiced anymore and would probably have some negative stigma since nudity is so taboo in the US.
Also the movie Akira's ending completely shits the bed. The manga gets it right so read that instead.
>Even if they did the old ways of drawing, including the famous drawing of nude models which is a necessity for learning the concept of weight which is VITAL for good animation, isn't practiced anymore and would probably have some negative stigma since nudity is so taboo in the US.
I love when people who don't know a thing about the subject they're talking about spew their opinions on here with confidence
>the education needed to get this good has simply been lost.
lmfao
"we can't do it anymore. We just don't know how"
Someone pull up that twitter pic and all the memes making fun of it...
>They would struggle because a huge amount of the education needed to get this good has simply been lost. Those who have it often get it intuitively and can't communicate what they're doing. Those who can are few and far between and don't teach it. Even if they did the old ways of drawing, including the famous drawing of nude models which is a necessity for learning the concept of weight which is VITAL for good animation, isn't practiced anymore and would probably have some negative stigma since nudity is so taboo in the US. > >Also the movie Akira's ending completely shits the bed. The manga gets it right so read that instead.
Your comment is 99% bullshit, it can still taught and learned just fine but you likely will waste time learning it because no one will pay enough to make media with those techniques. That costs too much money, so learning it would basically be an extracurricular endeavor on your part. Animators on their own would likely all try to make The Thief and the Cobbler and much of what you need to know can be learned by doing and failing, the problem is you can't make a living doing it.
I used to own the complete set of Graphitti Hardback editions of Akira volumes 1-5 (the 6th volume was never published in this collection).
I ended up selling them when I moved out of my parents house to move in with my gf. I sold them for a fortune but it always saddened me.
Hands down the Akira manga is one of the greatest stories ever written. From the incredible art, to the story, to the characters, to the self-contained iconography, its just incredible. Some people only have one story to tell, and for Otomo that was Akira. Everything else he's done has been dogshit.
Akira has a more compelling narrative than Bladerunner. I always think of that scene where Deckard is saying "enchance" for like 5 minutes, Bladerunners insane visuals and atmosphere make up for its weak script. Akiras main draw is obviously the spectacle but Tetsuo losing his mind is actually compelling, it's not completely carried by it's visuals like Bladerunner
The part where both lacks is in an emotionally satisfying ending. Blade Runner is sort of half assed but saved by a great scene, Akira leaves the viewer just confused upon first viewing and suffers from the typical "third act" problem that so many anime films suffer from, which is the third act comes and goes in a matter of minutes and rushed through any emotional impact it otherwise would have had if they had lingered a little bit.
I think the lack of some overly complex plot is what makes Bladerunner so compelling. >that scene where Deckard is saying "enchance" for like 5 minutes
Probably the most influential scene in the movie, for better, or (more likely) worse.
>Akira has a more compelling narrative than Bladerunner
That's because they cut all the important parts out of the book to make an empty movie. They cut out the focus on animal husbandry, the conflict and identicalness between religion and mass media, the big religious experience ending. Rachel and Prim aren't even played by the same actress
Akira has a more compelling narrative than Bladerunner. I always think of that scene where Deckard is saying "enchance" for like 5 minutes, Bladerunners insane visuals and atmosphere make up for its weak script. Akiras main draw is obviously the spectacle but Tetsuo losing his mind is actually compelling, it's not completely carried by it's visuals like Bladerunner
kys weeb
blade runner is miles better than this trash
Akira is not anime. It is high quality Japanese animation.
Otomo's work is more similar to French comics. He is one of the few legitimate artists of the medium. His comics were always associated with the art world rather than the anime and manga industry. Akira was not heavily featured in anime magazines at the time because it was too non-commercial for the otaku-dominated anime fanbase.
The animation was inspired by classic Disney, so it is actually good unlike most anime. Akira was made by only the greatest animators in Japan. To animate on Akira you had to be invited by someone else on the staff. It is simply the highest quality animation produced by Japan in its time. Akira consciously disregards the stylings of typical Japanese animation. Characters talk with pointed lips and with their hands; two un-Japanese characteristics.
This is why it filters typical modern ironic weeb anime fans.
Anime is a medium which requires low standards to enjoy. Low level weebs are unable to comprehend the high degree of artistry of works such as Akira.
I would never recommend Akira to an anime fan. They couldn't possibly understand or appreciate it.
Akira is one of those movies like 2001: A Space Odyssey and Blade Runner. Landmark legendary films but when you take off your bias glasses and watch them for what they truly are you realize they're pretty mid films.
No they're not. They're movies that are victims of their own status. If you had stumbled across this films in some obscure imdb list, you would be sitting and raving about what underated masterpieces they are. But being the personality void of a person that you are with contrarianism shoved in there as a replacement, you reject the films on basis of their popular status in some vain attempt to drum of some vague sense of uniqueness.
Nothing about Blade Runner, 2001 or Akira is mediocre and if you think they are, they are so because you want them to be. It's Cinemaphile in a nutshell. It's you, it's me, it's everyone on this circlejerk of a board dedicated to crippling intellectual insecurities of pulling everything down to the nothingness that is our own personal achievements.
>Nothing about Blade Runner... is mediocre
Yes, being vapid emotionless popcorn trash makes it less than mediocre. It is shit praised by illiterates. Nobody working on it got the point of the story which is how it got so bad
he is right. they dont understand philip k dick story at all, in fact if you say its a completely new story, very few people would say its an adaptation
The story is good. Some moron mong going insane and exploding because they are given psychic powers that completely changed their moral fibre with some cryptic and nearly divine mystery underlying it all. Its all a movie ever needs
its sad because before reading the manga i think exactly the same as you. the movie dont explain well whats going on. i suppose they put too much work in animation so they leave out the needed coherency, but again, its sad because the story is perfectly coherent and easy to follow in the manga.
they just need to explain better the experiment thing and why akira have so much power. in the movie you have to guess too much. its not a problem of "leaving to mistery", in the manga they are clear and literal about it.
Akira is extremely obtuse. I remember reading the first volume of the manga many, many years later and literally saying, "Ooooooohhh, so that's what happened." aloud.
the akira movie was about conflict between two brothers - kaneda (big brother) and tetsuo (little brother)
tetsuo, being the little brother, was always seen standing in the shadow of his older brother kandeda - tetsuo even tries to be like his big brother by riding his bike, and it turns out, he cant ride his big brother's bike being kaneda's bike is too complicated operate
tetsuo then accidentally unlocks his powers and uses said powers to frick with society - the same society that has been fricking with him since birth ie his parents discarded him
after laying waste to society, tetsuo, thinking he's a complete badass now, calls out his big brother, kaneda, to fight
kaneda accepts the challenge and proceeds to frick up tetsuo
the fight gets interupted though, as tetsuo's powers begin to eat him alive
not knowing what else to do, tetsuo calls out for big brother to help him
big brother kaneda dives into the mess forming around tetsuo and tires to save his little brother
as tetsuo is about to die, he repeatedly calls out for big brother's help
kaneda desperately tries to save his little brother, but doesnt have the means to do so
after dying, tetsuo gives his "light" or his "soul" to his big brother to keep
--
see? not that hard to understand at all, you dope head
but if you need to watch something alittle more simplier than akira, then i suggest rick and morty
Shit movie with atrocious character designs. If I never have to hear some homosexual soifacing over le Akira bike slide again it'll be too fricking soon.
You morons love Stranger Things, which clearly references Akira, but then shit on the source material. I hate you goyslop consoomers, I hope you fatties get a heart attack in your sleep from all the corn syrup you guzzle
The movie is basically all sizzle no steak. I've read maybe 10 graphic novels or whatever they're called and Akira is one of the best ones by a considerable margin.
I might check it out.
I've know about it for ages, and knew it was regarded as one of the best anime movies of all time and now watched it after a friend recommended it to me. It *looks* great, but the "story" is so all over the place that I honestly don't quite know what was happening half the time.
Pretty much. It's like a greatest hits package of the most iconic scenes from an unfinished book made at the peak of its popularity. Still great though.
city and setting is great. it came out at the right time where a neo-new-tokyo concept was cool instead of ridiculous.
The movie is better than the comic.
The movie was made as love letter to Japanese fans of the manga (of which only 3 volumes of 6 had been written at that time).
Factor in moronic western localisation and no shit its baffling. It was never made for us.
But even on a technical level you should be able to appreciate how groundbreaking this was at the time.
>moronic western localisation
Do I even want to know
The specifics of "Frick America" are more easily discerned from the original comic, but they are in the film.
Is EVERY post war Japanese piece of art about nukes, American occupation, and reclaiming muh sovereignty??
No
Evanjellyon was about christianity, or something.
when you got so completely assfricked like Japan got by the USA in two seperate centuries, that leaves a giant scar in the collective soul of a country.
Just look at the delusions and denial from miyazaki, regarding WW2.
No.
Still better than most productions.
It is an animation cell masterpiece.
Its fricking insane how painstaking this must have been. And with all tech we have today, almost 40 years later, modern animators would struggle to make something half as good looking.
How many studios still actually do non-digital animation outside of Ghibli?
Rick and Morty.
They use toon boom harmony you can see the bones glitch sometimes on tv
The specious answer is all of them.
The more realistic answer is that hand drawn line art is heavily edited and corrected in post.
One of the major differences between cel and digital (and one of the thing's that drove digitals adoption) is that once you print to a cel back in the day, that was fricking it. No more do overs. No modern animators are used to that measure twice cut once mentality, stuff can always be futzed with these days no matter what stage of production.
Ghibli is entirely digital with uses of CGI. they use tricks like fake grain, film weave, printing onto film, etc. to have a filmic look.
All of them. If you're talking about coloring then none of them, Ghibli included.
all of them you fricking moron
They would struggle because a huge amount of the education needed to get this good has simply been lost. Those who have it often get it intuitively and can't communicate what they're doing. Those who can are few and far between and don't teach it. Even if they did the old ways of drawing, including the famous drawing of nude models which is a necessity for learning the concept of weight which is VITAL for good animation, isn't practiced anymore and would probably have some negative stigma since nudity is so taboo in the US.
Also the movie Akira's ending completely shits the bed. The manga gets it right so read that instead.
>Even if they did the old ways of drawing, including the famous drawing of nude models which is a necessity for learning the concept of weight which is VITAL for good animation, isn't practiced anymore and would probably have some negative stigma since nudity is so taboo in the US.
I love when people who don't know a thing about the subject they're talking about spew their opinions on here with confidence
>the education needed to get this good has simply been lost.
lmfao
"we can't do it anymore. We just don't know how"
Someone pull up that twitter pic and all the memes making fun of it...
If the skill for 2D animation was being trained in schools, we wouldn't outsource it to North Korea.
>They would struggle because a huge amount of the education needed to get this good has simply been lost. Those who have it often get it intuitively and can't communicate what they're doing. Those who can are few and far between and don't teach it. Even if they did the old ways of drawing, including the famous drawing of nude models which is a necessity for learning the concept of weight which is VITAL for good animation, isn't practiced anymore and would probably have some negative stigma since nudity is so taboo in the US.
>
>Also the movie Akira's ending completely shits the bed. The manga gets it right so read that instead.
Your comment is 99% bullshit, it can still taught and learned just fine but you likely will waste time learning it because no one will pay enough to make media with those techniques. That costs too much money, so learning it would basically be an extracurricular endeavor on your part. Animators on their own would likely all try to make The Thief and the Cobbler and much of what you need to know can be learned by doing and failing, the problem is you can't make a living doing it.
kino
The manga is far superior.
well it has the real ending and explains the story much better
yeah its overated crap. i didnt rate it
I used to own the complete set of Graphitti Hardback editions of Akira volumes 1-5 (the 6th volume was never published in this collection).
I ended up selling them when I moved out of my parents house to move in with my gf. I sold them for a fortune but it always saddened me.
Hands down the Akira manga is one of the greatest stories ever written. From the incredible art, to the story, to the characters, to the self-contained iconography, its just incredible. Some people only have one story to tell, and for Otomo that was Akira. Everything else he's done has been dogshit.
TETSUOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
Akira looks great and sounds great but the story is slop.
Holy filtered
I wish more studios did this, modern anime looks so fricking bad
>Holy filtered
Another weeb who can’t accept animes can be good but flawed. Next in line please
It's the Blade Runner of anime. What it does well, it does so excedingly well that it makes up for it.
Akira has a more compelling narrative than Bladerunner. I always think of that scene where Deckard is saying "enchance" for like 5 minutes, Bladerunners insane visuals and atmosphere make up for its weak script. Akiras main draw is obviously the spectacle but Tetsuo losing his mind is actually compelling, it's not completely carried by it's visuals like Bladerunner
The part where both lacks is in an emotionally satisfying ending. Blade Runner is sort of half assed but saved by a great scene, Akira leaves the viewer just confused upon first viewing and suffers from the typical "third act" problem that so many anime films suffer from, which is the third act comes and goes in a matter of minutes and rushed through any emotional impact it otherwise would have had if they had lingered a little bit.
I think the lack of some overly complex plot is what makes Bladerunner so compelling.
>that scene where Deckard is saying "enchance" for like 5 minutes
Probably the most influential scene in the movie, for better, or (more likely) worse.
>Akira has a more compelling narrative than Bladerunner
That's because they cut all the important parts out of the book to make an empty movie. They cut out the focus on animal husbandry, the conflict and identicalness between religion and mass media, the big religious experience ending. Rachel and Prim aren't even played by the same actress
>Akira has a more compelling narrative than Bladerunner
kys weeb
blade runner is miles better than this trash
The form of an amoeba cannot contain the soul of a person.
Otomo, original manga writer and director, is remaking the movie. Been in production for over 5 years so far. Trailer next year.
I was extremely let down too
Of course the visuals were great and I understand it was ahead of its time but i was pretty disappointed overall
It's ok to have absolute shit taste, anon. Just a little weird to be so proud of it.
>people expecting a masterpiece
you only have yourself to blame did you not learn that skill in school?
Akira is not anime. It is high quality Japanese animation.
Otomo's work is more similar to French comics. He is one of the few legitimate artists of the medium. His comics were always associated with the art world rather than the anime and manga industry. Akira was not heavily featured in anime magazines at the time because it was too non-commercial for the otaku-dominated anime fanbase.
The animation was inspired by classic Disney, so it is actually good unlike most anime. Akira was made by only the greatest animators in Japan. To animate on Akira you had to be invited by someone else on the staff. It is simply the highest quality animation produced by Japan in its time. Akira consciously disregards the stylings of typical Japanese animation. Characters talk with pointed lips and with their hands; two un-Japanese characteristics.
This is why it filters typical modern ironic weeb anime fans.
Anime is a medium which requires low standards to enjoy. Low level weebs are unable to comprehend the high degree of artistry of works such as Akira.
I would never recommend Akira to an anime fan. They couldn't possibly understand or appreciate it.
Naruto is better. Naruto is one of the best mangas ever made.
It's one of the few animes that doesn't try to turn me into a troony
the story veers back and forth between good and moronic. you watch it for the animation, which is delicious for the eyes.
Akira is one of those movies like 2001: A Space Odyssey and Blade Runner. Landmark legendary films but when you take off your bias glasses and watch them for what they truly are you realize they're pretty mid films.
No they're not. They're movies that are victims of their own status. If you had stumbled across this films in some obscure imdb list, you would be sitting and raving about what underated masterpieces they are. But being the personality void of a person that you are with contrarianism shoved in there as a replacement, you reject the films on basis of their popular status in some vain attempt to drum of some vague sense of uniqueness.
Nothing about Blade Runner, 2001 or Akira is mediocre and if you think they are, they are so because you want them to be. It's Cinemaphile in a nutshell. It's you, it's me, it's everyone on this circlejerk of a board dedicated to crippling intellectual insecurities of pulling everything down to the nothingness that is our own personal achievements.
>Nothing about Blade Runner... is mediocre
Yes, being vapid emotionless popcorn trash makes it less than mediocre. It is shit praised by illiterates. Nobody working on it got the point of the story which is how it got so bad
doubling down I see
he is right. they dont understand philip k dick story at all, in fact if you say its a completely new story, very few people would say its an adaptation
You are only speaking in rhetoric. Use your brain boy and come up with a real point.
The story is good. Some moron mong going insane and exploding because they are given psychic powers that completely changed their moral fibre with some cryptic and nearly divine mystery underlying it all. Its all a movie ever needs
its sad because before reading the manga i think exactly the same as you. the movie dont explain well whats going on. i suppose they put too much work in animation so they leave out the needed coherency, but again, its sad because the story is perfectly coherent and easy to follow in the manga.
they just need to explain better the experiment thing and why akira have so much power. in the movie you have to guess too much. its not a problem of "leaving to mistery", in the manga they are clear and literal about it.
Incels like it because they self-insert as Tetsuo
Why do some people need every little thing explained and every little thread explored. Can't you people just watch a film and use your imagination?
Akira is extremely obtuse. I remember reading the first volume of the manga many, many years later and literally saying, "Ooooooohhh, so that's what happened." aloud.
what happened?
The OST sucks too
>Complete nonsense
youre a complete moron, op
the akira movie was about conflict between two brothers - kaneda (big brother) and tetsuo (little brother)
tetsuo, being the little brother, was always seen standing in the shadow of his older brother kandeda - tetsuo even tries to be like his big brother by riding his bike, and it turns out, he cant ride his big brother's bike being kaneda's bike is too complicated operate
tetsuo then accidentally unlocks his powers and uses said powers to frick with society - the same society that has been fricking with him since birth ie his parents discarded him
after laying waste to society, tetsuo, thinking he's a complete badass now, calls out his big brother, kaneda, to fight
kaneda accepts the challenge and proceeds to frick up tetsuo
the fight gets interupted though, as tetsuo's powers begin to eat him alive
not knowing what else to do, tetsuo calls out for big brother to help him
big brother kaneda dives into the mess forming around tetsuo and tires to save his little brother
as tetsuo is about to die, he repeatedly calls out for big brother's help
kaneda desperately tries to save his little brother, but doesnt have the means to do so
after dying, tetsuo gives his "light" or his "soul" to his big brother to keep
--
see? not that hard to understand at all, you dope head
but if you need to watch something alittle more simplier than akira, then i suggest rick and morty
Shit movie with atrocious character designs. If I never have to hear some homosexual soifacing over le Akira bike slide again it'll be too fricking soon.
You morons love Stranger Things, which clearly references Akira, but then shit on the source material. I hate you goyslop consoomers, I hope you fatties get a heart attack in your sleep from all the corn syrup you guzzle
for you
I like Akira. He's not afraid of anything
akira is the star wars original trilogy of movies
i watch them sometimes and hope i get it but god damn i don't like them
I guess you just don't like star wars or space fantasy in general
you need to have a very high IQ to understand Akira
You watch it for the animation and action.
For the real experience you read the manga
akira is kino. I'm so sick of you morons. do you have to be contrarian about everything?
Yes. That movie is the worst translation of the plot of a manga to audiovisual that I have seen in my entire life.
The worst INNOCENT translation, at least
It hits fricking hard though
Akira is animation masturbation, it's absolutely beautifully detailed.
the movie is better if you cut out ALL of the supernatural shit.