Considering it's Lesbian Visibility Week, how should a realistic lesbian character be written for comics and cartoons?
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Considering it's Lesbian Visibility Week, how should a realistic lesbian character be written for comics and cartoons?
I mean, I feel you just write a straight romance but have both involved be women, but I know some people hate that concept
I wonder how this thread would go over on /lgbt/, if more active and if so, more useful
It's never been useful
That's really all that's needed to be compelling. Lumity is a decent example, as it wasn't treated any differently in Universe than your standard romance.
Do you think there are any good relationships (straight or gay) that a creative should model their queer relationships on? Or on the opposite side, ones to avoid?
>don't scare me like that
sometimes i wonder what it'd be like to be a woman. i don't mean physically female, y'know breasts and a vegana and the whole lot... i mean mentally. it seems rough, it's like they live their constant life in some kinda social worry, enemies at every turn and needing to overthink every social interaction levied their way
why do they do this to themselves
Considering that she asked about a smell first she was probably worried about having an infection or disease. But yeah being a woman seems exhausting, literally will never understand why someone would actively want to be one.
well it's a mindset so i assume the people who actively wanna become them either already have that personality, or just wanna stay themselves but with a cooch
but yeah women seem so constantly afraid of life
in fairness, her gf is giving her head, I feel like she'd at least want to feel like she's being courteous enough to smell alright down there
How is it different from a straight relationship? I emagine we drop the same dopamines when we fall in love.
Different societal expectations would make it different inherently, it's down to how much do you want to get into the weeds with it I suppose
How do you convey those social expectations effectively in writing/making comics and cartoons? Do you have a favorite example of this?
Dunno on comics and cartoons. An immediate example that comes to mind was a recent HBO show set in the 1920s where one of the characters is a lesbian, and we see how she has to be one in secret, and kinda breaks another girl's heart because she kinda just started dating her because she was the only other lesbian around, etc.
Dunno, doesn't have to be too drastic, and I don't think it has to be at all, even- it's fine, especially if your story's not about romance or about society and effects on identity, to just do "normal straight relationship but two girls", as opposed to try to go "ok but how is the relationship different because of how society sees gays" etc.
>as opposed to try to go "ok but how is the relationship different because of how society sees gays" etc.
what will it take for media to move past this?
write an entertaining relationship, not necessarily a good/healthy one, and make them both women. That's really about it, for me.
>write an entertaining relationship, not necessarily a good/healthy one
the same holds true for the opposite
write an entertaining relationship, not n necessarily one with conflict
it's disheartening that so many people think the only way to make a relationship in fiction entertaining is to to make conflict. Cheating, misunderstandings, arguments. To me that is never fun. But instead, seeing how a couple reacts to an outside problem and overcomes it together by combining their individual quirks.
I find the misunderstandings to be the most frustrating ones, since a lot of them could be resolved by one character having a normal reaction and the other clarifying what they meant or how they felt.
she should be interesting, duh. and explicitly uncompromisingly lesbian. none of that shit where she's actually bisexual all along. i think that's what happened to pearl with greg in steven universe because ian jq has a conversion fetish.
it's also hard to do nowadays because if you see any success with a lesbian character, both executives and fans will try to push a man-larping-as-a-woman into the mix. lesbianism does not involve males in any form, mutilated or otherwise.
>ian jq has a conversion fetish.
in his case, he might be one of the few cases where he "converted" someone since Sugar seems to have made him the one exception.
there's no "successful" conversion because a self proclaimed lesbian who falls for a man was bisexual the whole time, y'know? sugar was either bisexual or even heterosexual all along. words have to mean things.
>words have to mean things.
True, but doesn’t it get a bit more complicated when you have people who identify as nb or he/him lesbians? Sugar I believe identifies as non-binary, at least, and Erika Moen had her whole arc she always talks about.
no, it doesn't get more complicated. homosexuality is the sexual orientation of being exclusively attracted to your own sex. sexual orientation is innate and immutable.
a female person who is exclusively attracted to female people is a homosexual (a lesbian) no matter what words she uses to describe herself, or drugs she takes, or surgeries she endures. the only complications that arise is when you get fired or harassed for not playing pretend with delusional people.
These homosexuals have an entire week? Trans homosexuals only have Easter!
One should be the daughter of a devote christian family who has ideas about the place of women in society (not the kitchen) the other one only exists so the first one can be a lesbian
Has there been any examples of this in media, especially Cinemaphile media?
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>realistic lesbian character
People say they want that but they really want something soft or palatable.
>they really want something soft or palatable.
Do you feel like this is a detriment to writing actual three-dimensional lesbian relationships? Like writers and artists are prepared to do it, but have to soften the edges lest the audience gets mad about it? Artists want to be loved, after all
Sometimes they can't go all the way due to fear of offending the audience or perpetuating stereotypes. Or the gay characters we do get are stuck in certain boxes and end up being boring.
I can’t tell what is worse: the Jackie reveal or that people at the time treated it like some victory or triumph for her character arc. At best, it was a neutral reveal.
>Lesbian Visibility Week
Oh frick off.
This, you want a "realistic" lesbian?
Write a cynical shithead of a woman, who is trying to grow out of her abusive habits by going to therapy, whom is also trying to get a date, and fails time and time again.
Also this, every year I forget mens day or womens day exist, and have to be reminded Valentines month is also blacks month, stop dedicating "holidays" to people, that's dumb.
It’s not like you knew of it before, and you won’t remember by tomorrow.
I just took a fat dump.
Tillie Walden seems pretty good at it.
What’s the context of the scene here?
I read one that was interesting but some would probably consider it problematic. Basically they were both trying to keep the relationship a secret and their relationship had problems because they were dumb teenagers who didn't have anything in common aside from both wanting to frick girls while being in a small town and having no options. I think that's part of what's holding lesbian romance back, they're addicted to the purest form of love crap and scared to portray it as 'taboo' because people would get up in arms.
>Basically they were both trying to keep the relationship a secret and their relationship had problems because they were dumb teenagers who didn't have anything in common aside from both wanting to frick girls while being in a small town and having no options.
What's it called?
>they're addicted to the purest form of love crap and scared to portray it as 'taboo' because people would get up in arms.
Yeah, I find it annoying. The retort I always hear is "oh well, we need some escapism in queer love" but when everyone tries to create an escapist fantasy where they have a relationship with no problems and only joy, it flattens a lot of potentially interesting things.
They should be written as bisexuals. Because lesbians dont exist. If they said they are lesbians that just means they are coping by being stubborn or are a femcel.
>lesbian visibility week
What the frick bullshit is this. Its not june yet.
The lbgtq is the new sciencetology. They’re always in your face cancel anyone that gets in their way have celebrity influence and are constantly trying to brainwash people. Also they’ll use the word bigot to write off any criticism.
They're also intolerant of nuance and ambiguity in the human condition. Every small sexual divergence needs to be fastidiously labeled and categorized into an ever-expanding list of utter inanity.
>The lbgtq is the new sciencetology
>all feelings, no thoughts
I deserve to be heard!
>lesbians
Better at least one of them has a wiener or I'll cry transphobia.
>52% of lesbian relationships
>before they became lesbians
fixed that for you
I see, you think sexuality is mutable? Not innate? So gay people can choose whether or not they are gay?
>I see, you think sexuality is mutable? Not innate? So gay people can choose whether or not they are gay?
No, he's saying that sometimes gay people are in straight relationships.
>Lesbian Visibility Week
Why are you so obedient and servile toward old ass war criminal billionaires ?????????
If lesbians want to be visible they should wear reflective tape.
Why do they look like 4 year olds
It's just how the artist draws them.
have you ever read watchmen?
>women in refrigerators
>Considering it's Lesbian Visibility Week
they get to be more annoying than the usual for a week?
How is that possible?
A foghorn?
>Realistic
The lesbo should be ugly, obese, and engage in domestic violence on semiregular basis.
Start by making the characters interesting, then work on the relationship stuff after.
a vast majority of lesbians are repulsed by troony freaks
LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL
why is this a regular thought that goes through your head on a daily basis?
because pointing it out makes bullets go through theirs
you're not a wizard mate that's not how it works
Actually I am.
*Uses mind powers to make your skull explode through the internet.*
>a vast majority of lesbians are repulsed by troony freaks
source?
>how should a realistic lesbian character be written
>how should a realistic lesbian character be written for comics and cartoons?
Toxic and harmful
She-Ra and Catra are the most realistic depictions of lesbians in media today
Bisexuals might be skewing the data.
i unironically hate women.
I like women, but I also like men, yet we get no fricking cartoons with gay boy characters, what the motherfrick. Im so sick of stinky lesbians. WHERE ARE MY GAY BOYS!?
Is Marco Diaz the only good bisexual male representation in recent years?
be the change you want to see anon
If we are talking realism most lesbian characters would end up in straight relationships.
Wouldn’t that just be bi women though?
Contrast. Most straight romance has contrast baked in by men and women already contrasting. But how people are different is where fun bits of romance come from. Most lesbian romance fiction either has two samey women doing nothing and then kissing, or shipping artificial polar opposites like an 80 sitcom pitch.
>shipping artificial polar opposites like an 80 sitcom pitch.
this one is the better of the two, right?
>Lesbian Visibility Week
were you gays ever not visible?
Lesbians are only good for porn. I can't stand women and their issues and I can't stand two women trying to make their relationship work when its not all about destroying the patriarchy. Without men to hate most lesbians would likely consider themselves asexual or some shit.