Corporate minimalism in the 90’s ruined animation. But people don’t want to upset their corporate overlords so they deny it and strike down people who point it out.
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>animation wasn't ruined until the '90s
Anon I
>forgetting shows like Dexter took influence from Hanna Barbera
Flintstones started the decline the 90s solidified it.
>Shows influenced by UPA, who were inherently anti-corporate, are in fact corporate
???
>UPA
>anti corporate
My god you’re simple minded
Won’t elaborate on that huh?
sorry not everyone is a scitzo
but everyone are pzichos
Before H&B animation was really only movies and movie shorts
you had a few things on TV but it was usually reruns, or complete failures. H&B cracked the code on how to get animation to be cost efficient, and practical for airing on TV. All before they could just outsource everything to Asian sweatshops
Dexter was made by HB. Then it changed ti CN
this lol
hanna barbera and its consequences have been a disaster for the human race
It really has been. This is why I hate CN so much.
I actually didn't mind Hannah Barbera's visuals that much. It was the boring as frick writing that bothered me. A scooby doo episode felt like an hour of boredom rather than just 20 minutes. I was seething hard when they decided to do Scooby Doo marathons.
90s and 2000s low budget CN cartoons were also terrible compared to what they aired on FoxKids. I never caught Batman, Superman, etc. all the good stuff on CN.
its not really about visuals, those are just a symptom
its about cost reduction as a core of their business model, which is a true source of cheap visuals and churning out low budget shit nonstop
Sums up CN, Nick, and Disney Channel perfectly.
This. Fox Kids was garbage for the most part but at least there was a sense of effort. Cartoon Network never put the same amount of effort into their own programs; they even killed SWAT Kats for low budget crap.
>A scooby doo episode felt like an hour of boredom rather than just 20 minutes.
I grew up with a lot of old mystery and adventure books from the 60's, and I thought Scooby Doo was structured and paced similarly. I just think kid's attention spans have gone down.
>It was the boring as frick writing that bothered me
Odd, because often or not, the writing was Hanna-Barbera's biggest strong suit for most of their shows.
>It was the boring as frick writing that bothered me.
now this take is just plain sad and pathetic, but it really explains perfectly why they no longer put any effort whatsoever in writing in modern times.
The shills are coming out of the woodwork it seems.
imagine being such a contrarian
That was good but animation took a nosedive in the 60s with lots of limited animation and the trend in that decade is glorified stick figures designs, Despite this I think this is way more appealing but I think they should make the animation move smoother.
You know there wouldn't be cartoons on TV if it wasn't for them right?
And that's a bad thing because?
What's this? No jiggly fat rolls or close up shots on asses? HELP ME STIMPY I'M GOING INSANE
Hanna-Barbera was great for it's time and you had other companies doing real animation.
I love the old hand puppet TV shows like Fireball XL-5 but I'd hardly consider the animation to be good. The ideas are what's important.
Flintstones is groundbreaking, animated Honeymooners. No Simpsons without it, how groundbreaking is Dexter really?
I say that as a zoomer and a guy who fricking loves 90s cartoons like Animaniacs, BTAS, Rocko's Modern Life and Johnny Bravo.
The most innovative cartoon of the 90s would probably be Space Ghost Coast to Coast ironically.
>People don't want to complain about animation then because it would upset corporate overlords now
homie corporate entertainmaint is all about pretending you've improved on the past.
That’s not how corporate toadies work.
How?
Corporate toadies argue that things are worse than they used to be? That doesn't make any fricking sense.
It's Kathleen Kennedy's whole career at Lucasfilm.
And Kevin Feige's with Marvel
You're idiot.
>ESL
>Corporate minimalism
Is that something I should Google?
I do really like giving real estate to negative Nancy's
Look up Bauhaus.
>Bauhaus
Of course Germans would do that.
>image
I'm not sure what the arrow signifies nor what the connection between all of these is especially with Primal in the mix.
Forgot to type something in the previous post but here it is:
>Bauhaus
Which explains why the UPA style became popular in the 50s and the 60s
WHAT THE HELL WAS THAT?
Primal is an example of corporate minimalism.
its funny
you pretend to know about art and have a lot of opinions on the state of animation but you know nothing about how the animation industry or the american art schools were shaped
i get it you found a youtube video that mentioned Bauhaus in your reccomendations
Making giant collages of images with no apparent relation and expecting everyone to get it is a classic schizoposter trope.
It really isn’t, you’re all just moronic.
what does Bauhaus have to do with animation?
Look it up
i know what Bauhaus is. what do they have to do with animation
Some schizo sperged about it in a Tig N' Seek thread years ago and it became a Cinemaphile meme.
>he doesn't know
I will never understand why he needed to draw attention to the fact he needed to piss.
This. If you don't understand this, you're fricking moronic.
Why does it always lead back to sucking off anime?
weebs cannot handle the fact that anime sucks ass like cartoons do so they rely on pretty drawings rather than good writing, since anime is just running on the same dopamine trip of every trope you can think of
ehh i'd say bauhaus is part of but not the cause of art to be the way it is
I'd sooner blame the entire state of western art on the CIA before some gay germans
The CIA actually did push post-modernism down the throats of Americans so they didn't have to compete with Russian artists. Why compete when you can change the rules right?
Richgays took advantage of this movement with money laundering schemes to further influence American perceptions of what makes good art. They push the idea that art is a talent and not a skill so it makes their investments more special.
All this while the invention of the camera came to be and it trivialized illustrators' place in industries
Post Modernists artists also start taking jobs in different colleges where their ideologies are continually pushed (Bauhaus probably has influence here). Useful idiots who fell for CIA memes
And its convenient because art schools also end up becoming more expensive to the point where only lazy richgays can afford to be there.
Unrelated to art but America is also becoming less of a manufacturing country at this time so the idea of knowing how to make things is forgotten, art and craftsmanship ends up being viewed more as a talent and not a skill.
And now its the year 2022 and due to the influence of money laundering schemes, American laziness and entitlement, we only have 3 good art schools.
The 90s was truly the worst time for America
>invention of the camera
the invention of good cameras and printers i mean
computer art also trivialized people's view on learning art skills too
Some jobs were completely gone after digital art became more standard
Graphic designers aren't even taught to draw anymore because its thought they can just mess around with presents in illustrator to make good compositions (the best designers knew how to draw)
Lots of people still think they don't need to learn perspective anymore because they think 3D models is a way around learning it
Cartoongays are even worse, they think they don't need to learn how to draw from life to be good artists.
This. There’s no realism in cartoons anymore.
even if your goal isn't to draw real people learning to draw from life helps you draw better cartoons
people in the industry know this
>people in the industry know this
They don’t actually. I’ve seen a lot of art philosophies in the industry. People hate real life so much that dive head first into cartoons.
>even if your goal isn't to draw real people learning to draw from life helps you draw better cartoons
>people in the industry know this
Anon you have more common sense than most so called veterans.
Genndy knows how to draw from life anon
He honestly doesn’t. Ffs, he can’t even draw a circle, something he’s admitted to. You really see it in his Clone Wars cartoon.
no he defiantly does
Not at all
>strike down people who point it out
Nobody has been fricking assassinated for saying Dexter's Lab looks like shot lmao
No but shills immediately start swarming in an defending it like it was their child.
Give us an example of cartoons who dont do this.
Anime
Anime is fricking gay. I hope youre not OP.
Anime has plenty of stylistic variety and doesn't cut corners the way cartoons do.
What are you talking about? One or two animes per season have their own style, the rest is the exact same shit over and over again
>Anime has plenty of stylistic variety and doesn't cut corners the way cartoons do.
>Anime has plenty of stylistic variety
And other hilarious jokes you can tell yourself.
Frick off, John K
>you hate him because he’s right
Right about what? He was just another useless contrarian.
He pointed out how networks prioritize low budget shit to save time and money rather than fuel art. You see this with how Ren and Stimpy was treated poorly for actually going the distance in it’s art direction. Meanwhile stuff like Invader Zim and MLAATR was being greenlit en masse because the artstyle was the kind of economic budget savers studios were looking for.
>invader zim
>economic budget saver
Zim was one of Nick's most expensive shows back then. Jhonen's designs often caused troubles for the artists who had to adapt them, while the storyboarding process looks extremely detailed and high-art. Hell, the fricking show had expensive ass CGI and got cancelled for being such a costly show that didn't get the (right) demographic.
ren & stimpy had by far the cushiest deal in the entire industry at the time and john k's continued refusal to reach any sort of compromise with nickelodeon on deadlines pretty much single-handedly soured networks on the concept of creator-owned studios for decades to come
That sounds more like a network problem than an artist problem.
you know, there's actually plenty of praise for dexter's lab and tartakovsky's work on john k's blog - there's some criticism mixed in sure, but he mostly has nice things to say
it's funny how the insufferable posers trying to shallowly channel his views on cartooning are far more contrarian than the man himself ever was
>caring what a groomer praises
John K also liked the Powerpuff Girls and Cow And Chicken
So there’s even less of a reason to take him seriously
>BAUHAUS
>BOLSHEVIK
>BULLSHIT
the whole idea was to save money to have better action pieces / better animated gags
but the networks eventually said 'why not just pocket all that money?'
>the whole idea was to save money to have better action pieces / better animated gags
You'd have a point if those things existed back then.
that was genndy's philosophy with dexter, and he carried it with him into samurai jack while mccracken carried it into powerpuff girls
meanwhile execs saw you could have hit cartoons without paying big bucks to japanese studios for big budget saturday morning cartoons that looked like anime
and it became a race to the bottom
I say it was already a race to the bottom when What A Cartoon got greenlit. Talent was being openly disparaged.
>meanwhile execs saw you could have hit cartoons without paying big bucks to japanese studios for big budget saturday morning cartoons that looked like anime
what shows even had good animation
Ren and Stimpy. Comparatively speaking at least.
john k was very passionate and anal about his show to a point where he was kicked off from it
but its not like Dexter's Lab had much worse animation
>but the networks eventually said 'why not just pocket all that money?'
>implying they weren't already doing that to begin with
where's that gorilla when you need him?
This again?
The frick?
Dee Dee is cute. That is all.
I vividly remember my mom and dad (born in 1961 and 1951 respectively) complaining about how the cartoons I watched as a kid in the 90s were uglier and grosser looking than the stuff they had, while also not being animated as well.
My mom did like the DCAU (or at least Batman) and I recall my dad liking (early) SpongeBob and Mummies Alive in particular. Both of those shows had more detailed animation than say, Dexter or PPG
early spongebob doesn't look much better than early dexter's lab
Batman is a toy commercial that also borders on a prestige project for WB
Mummies Alive is a bad toy commercial
Toy commercials can’t really be prestige projects. The whole point of Batman was to sell toys to small children.
Having toyline is not the same thing as being a toy commercial.
DiC was defiantly in the business of making toy commercials
Wasn't Mummies Alive an attempt at a ripping off Gargoyles? The toys didn't even come til afterwards.
this again?
Can zoomers understand anything? They just seem to be perma triggered by everything that came before
>t. Zoomer
yes you are