>correctly identify that starwars needs to cut itself loose from previous stories and tell new stories in the starwars universe unburned by charactes and plot from previous starwars ip
>people hate him for it
>the starwars franchise is now a nostalgia circle jerk full of "omg its Splunk Gorbo from Starwars: Swampass ™!"
he might be right about that but his movie still sucks.
Start thinking for yourself npc freak
Ironic, coming from you
This, literally imagine making a movie that shitty and trying to use it as some proof the franchise needed to move on
Frick this gay, glad his career will never extend outside of some netfliz knives out shit again
FPBP and everything he does will automatically be gay because he made that awful cringefest Brick
>he might be right about that but his movie still sucks.
Exactly the movie is horrible. Like Razzie horrible.
Deus ex machina, boring chase sequence, rando Benicio del Toro with some kind of casino world, Luke is a dipshit, completely destroy your narrative of what Jedi are.
Just horrible movie, 1/10
And the movie doesn't even break free from the OG Star Wars films because it is literally just Empire with some Return thrown in but they place the Battle of Hoth at the end instead of the beginning.
They had shittons of novels of an expanded universe.
There was a time that SW slop sold without effort. Just any merc or toy or amusement. Now it's all questionable at best. Or gets shut down right away.
>They had shittons of novels of an expanded universe.
they were all incel trash
They were all better than tlj
Still miles better than lgbtrash.
>There was a time that SW slop sold without effort
that time was from 1977 and on
The novels games and comics were goyslop. No wonder homosexuals like you still pay for your Disney+ Goy Wars.
I 'member when people actually looked forward for any new Star Wars stuff. The Clone Wars tv series was quite highly anticipated. Nowadays it feels like there's some sort of crap of dubious quality being released every 6 months. Nobody cares anymore. It is what it is.
>the starwars franchise is now a nostalgia circle jerk
It doesn't have to be though kotor proves you can have good stories without any call backs to the OT
yes but the hate rian johnson got set the president that Starwars fans only whant fanservice and famous characters from the past
>set the president
>set the president
>its the fan's fault the president is moronic
I like Kotor but it involves a burly cyborg with breathing problems and a mechanical voice with a superweapon space station destroying a world in the first act to raise the stakes.
Star Wars is only relying on old stories so much because Roundhead flashburned the new ones
You’re looking from so far away you’ve lost all the details. Vader’s and Malak’s personalities are totally different. Vader was subordinate to Tarkin. The Star Forge is only revealed at the very end, and what it is is a mystery throughout the narrative. Nobody struggles with the Dark Side in Episode IV when the whole narrative of KotOR is about that. Plus KotOR has a lot more environments that give it a naturalistic Indiana Jones feel that Episode IV totally lacks.
Point is, they’re a completely different felt experience, and that’s what matters
I'll probably sound like a weird basement dwelling virgin here, but I genuinely think that Knights 1 and 2 are the best pieces of media of any kind to come from Star Wars. With Empire being 3rd.
RotS novelization > KotOR 1 > KotOR 2 for me, but you still have good taste anon
Never read that to be fair, I'll have to give it a go.
You definitely should. This book has no right to be as good as it is, it's a perfect example of lightning in a bottle for novelizations
Stover has written his own fantasy/sci-fi series as well called Acts of Caine. It's incredible as well.
Did you not see baby Leia running from Flea or what?
I did, yeah. Believe it or not, it wasn't to my tastes
KotOR 2 > KotOR > SWToR
Jedi Outcast > Jedi Academy
Thrawn Trilogy and Duology
Tales of Empire, Bounty Hunters, New Republic, and Jabba's Palace
Boba Fett Hard Merchandise Trilogy
Ignore everything else
You are not alone, and with that exact same ranking. I also acknowledge that the philosophies in KotOR 2 do not fit with the rest of the setting but I don't really care because it's great.
>superweapon space station destroying a world
No, it doesn't destroy the world. It's just "regular" orbital bombardment, something mentioned as early as TESB.
>without any call backs to the OT
Hmm
>mutilated bad guy
>jedi master is not-yoda
>wookie companion
>not-R2D2 companion
I haven't played KOTOR in years and I remember it having lots of similarities with the OT. In fact the reason it's so good is that it recreates a lot of the iconic moments of the OT without being so obvious it activates the cynical part of your brain. It's nostalgia slop done right.
You need to do both to have your franchise be able to grow
This hack did nothing but butcher everything, he deliberatly shat on star wars and everything they had done just cuz he wanted to subvert everyone and do his own thing and it sucked massively for it
Its not hard to make new stories while also not shitting on the previous material
i bet u love luke skywalker and would slurp him up if you could
The problem with meta-deconstructions is the writer becomes the main character--nobody went to Last Jedi to see what Rian is up to,
The current state of Star Wars is simply "too much" and "not good enough". I feel like there's a new Star Wars series coming out every month.
Say what you want about Johnson, but his movie was easily the best in the sequel trilogy (which is a low bar, but still) and definitely ended on a note that anyone with some degree of talent could have used as the starting point for a pretty good final installment.
Everythinthat has come out since was just whatever. I still haven't seen Andor, I think people actually liked that one.
Andor should be viewed completely detached from the rest of Disney Slop. It's quality is on such a different level that it feels like it fell from a parallel universe where Star Wars was actually competently written.
>anyone with some degree of talent could have used as the starting point for a pretty good final installment.
how the frick was any writer able to pickup the pieces after the second film, he deliberately fricked over every single plot point and element Jar Jar Abrams brought in, without leaving anything of substance for anyone else to make a finale.
Rian you aren't fooling me anymore, stop trolling.
>as the starting point for a pretty good final installment.
It abruptly ended all the storylines and mysteries of the trilogy. It's impossible to make a third act from that points.
They needed to end the original story properly first, they could have done that and introduce some new characters and potential future stories. Instead no one wants anything to to do with Rey, the black guy and fat asian
>yeah cool let's start telling a completely different story in the middle of a trilogy
>and while we're at it let's make everyone moronic and unlikable, and have nothing make any sense
>that's not enough though, we also need to be really, really boring and utterly reject the campy, fun, wholesome, old-fashioned fairy tale space opera for kids and instead style the whole thing like a cynically self-aware and derivative TV show bordering on parody
What the frick
>>that's not enough though, we also need to be really, really boring and utterly reject the campy, fun, wholesome, old-fashioned fairy tale space opera for kids and instead style the whole thing like a cynically self-aware and derivative TV show bordering on parody
The only people who gave a shit about Star Wars even at the time of TLJ’s release were adults. The toys weren’t selling with anyone except a few adult collectors. Grow up.
They were still a steady property. Games still easily sold, SW Rebels came out before the sequels and wasn't meant for just older fans.
Your film flopped Rian
Rian mentioned on the commentary that he felt some scenes looked a lot more like the Battlestar Galactica reboot than Star Wars. This was extra baffling to me, that he's seen BSG but still fricked up literally every single thing about how militaries work. "Aw shucks, we forgot to bother scrambling tie fighters after warping directly into combat."
>Rian mentioned on the commentary that he felt some scenes looked a lot more like the Battlestar Galactica reboot
lmao, which one? was he drunk?
When Finn and Rose are being marched to the hangar after capture, he mentions the ship interiors look more like BSG than the original Star Wars. It's just an off-hand comment I remembered. The other comment that always stuck with me was him saying that DJ's last line was made up by Benicio Del Toro. I actually liked DJ, and thought it was pretty funny to have the traitor have everything go perfectly fine and be the only one in the movie unscathed by bullshit. It's ultimately just another instance of Rian needing to subvert literally every outcome you'd except, but it was one I personally thought was funny. Of course his best line wasn't even written by Rian.
DJ was pretty good.
The problem is that Rey is awful. She did not have a proper arc, journey, flaws, depth, or any of the essential ingredients that define a quality character. TLJ did NOTHING with her. God, she was pointless
Keep Ron Moore's name out yo frickin' mouth
what, I watched the documentary and he never said that, can you give me some link?
>"Aw shucks, we forgot to bother scrambling tie fighters after warping directly into combat."
greatest war hero dugout doug forgot to scramble fighters after nips sneak attacked pearl harbor despite being the closest us military base to japan which resulted in all his planes getting destroyed while sitting on runways.
america is so corrupt though its hard to tell if it was just stupidity or part of a false flag to let japs score a lot of victories against americans in order to piss off the public and fully enter wwii
They didn’t forget. The US allowed the Japs to attack so they could use it as justification for going to War. Before, most of the US body was against going to war with Germany just because israelites and French were dying.
At the end of the day, it's completely moronic from a pure greedy business point of view.
Madeloreian season one was a new story that didnt rely on recurring famous charactes and it was popular, there was normie hype about it
then they brought in the recurring characters and where is the buzz around madeloreian now?
In the trash where S2/S3's scripts were fished from.
TLJ is the worst star wars movie of all time, but having every shill in the internet calling you a nazi for not liking it is what killed star wars. It died of overshilling
did you watch rise of skywalker?
Of course not
Trust me, it was alot worse than last jedi
It wasn't. It was a gigantic step up. A solid 2/10 instead of a 1/10. The biggest problems it had were that it had to fix the problems that tlj created. Also the sith dagger
Rise of Skywalker was the biggest pile of shit ever created, but there really is no story that you could have told after TLJ that would have been better
>it died of overshilling
This.
It was always going to be derided as an obnoxious and insulting display of fart huffing, but the shilling campaign is what got people to rip it apart on a molecular level and make the fact it’s completely fundamentally fricked widely known
This was a real article, and you can find a dozen like it that all got published in a 48 hour window. There was a real effort to convince people that Vladimir Putin himself was shitting on The Last Jedi, and that anyone who didn't like it was racist/Trump/Russian/evil/male/white/bad/double unperson.
A lot of redditor types still believe it to this day.
This was so crazy. The reaction to TLJ was 100% legitimate, and the attempt at damage control was hilarious
Russia not only hacked the election, they also hacked the box office!
He gave the swfanbase what it wanted, nostalgia goyslop...
>He gave the swfanbase what it wanted, nostalgia goyslop...
In the worst possible way that it was laughable even to many of them. He and JJ rehashed a lot of motifs and themes of the originals, but just changed names and shifted chairs around a bit. They didn't even blow up the old franchise in a creative way.
The people left aren't even the typical SW tards. It's the bottom of the barrel of what was already a bottom.
i felt it was like:
>"we'll change things and replace them with brand new and different stuff"
>It's the same shit with just some painted slightly differently
>correctly identify that starwars needs to cut itself loose from previous stories and tell new stories in the starwars universe unburned by charactes and plot from previous starwars ip
He was absolutely correct but the fricking madlad decided the best time to do this was in the middle of a trilogy arc, set in the main continuity of a 9 movie series spanning 40 years of beloved cinematic history. Not, y'know, in an actual new and separate story set in the Star Wars universe. I'd be interested to see what he could make of a limited series but he's shot his bolt for that now.
identify that starwars needs to cut itself loose from previous stories and tell new stories in the starwars universe unburned by charactes and plot from previous starwars ip
He was right in theory
But not when it comes to a sequel in the main series of films
If only they had written good characters to lead the new era instead of Rey and the other ones, can’t even remember their names.
And set the new trilogy much later, like a hundred years after the OT. If you’re really gonna start fresh then go all out. Mention Luke and the Empire and shit, and maybe have his son or other students be the lightsaber-wielders in this trilogy.
Frick they could have done so much, they could have done anything. And instead we got not-stormtroopers, not-Yoda, not-Hoth, etc etc. And the regular emperor fricking again. Indefensible
If only he made a good movie.
>Splunk Gorbo from Starwars: Swampass
Write the Wookiepedia article
Rian Johnson
>doesn't provide any information on Snoke, we don't have to see every fricking detail of a backstory on screen
>kills Snoke, so an actually interesting character, Kylo, tormented beetween good and evil, must be the villian in Episode IX
>sets up an interesting rivalry inside the First Order between Ren and Hux
>makes Rey nobody in order to show that you don't have to be Yoda's granddaughter to achive something important in this galaxy and also doesn't provide Rey with an exact answer she desperately wants
>allows Luke to make mistakes, makes him disilluded about the Jedi Order and his role in the big scheme of things, that way he can give him an actual reason to be for that long on that island J.J. Abrams put him on and also give him interesting arc showing that it's never too late to admit to your mistakes, embrace what you are and fight for the good
J.J Abrams
>Snoke is actually Palpatine's meat puppet kept in space jars
>brings back Emperor so he can reapeat story beats from Episode VI, sidelines Kylo once again
>no in-faction rivalry between Kylo and Hux, "I'M LE SPY"
>Rey is actually Palpatine's granddaughter so she does comes from a powerful force users lineage
>"Look, Luke makes X-Wing float, JUST LIKE IN EPISODEEEE FIVEEEEE"
funny thing is everyone complained about the choices Rian made in Episode VIII and then they got exactly what they wanted with Episode IX and they hated it
so when will people learn to never, ever listen to fandom and general opinion?
It was all dogshit. One being a little less diarrhea than the other doesn’t make it good.
Making a sequels 20-30 years in the future where everything came undone is peak moronation and extreme arrogance from a bunch of midiwits like Kennedy and Abrams.
>then they got exactly what they wanted with Episode IX and they hated it
This is a bad argument. This is the same line of thinking that blames TFA on the reaction to the prequels.
>so when will people learn to never, ever listen to fandom and general opinion?
I agree with this, though.
>I agree with this, though.
Nah, that's not quite right. Doubling down on TLJ after everyone agreed that it was an abomination of a film was a terrible decision. Doubling down on the ST as a whole after bad reactions has arguably killed the entire franchise.
The problem is that large companies like disney and others can't into nuance. They're very binary. Either x works, or not-x. They can't conceive that people would like x if it was done well.
And it's what the shills in this thread are feigning anger over.
>You hated TLJ? Well TROS did the exact opposite and you hated that too!
The concept that both films were shitty because of factors other than marketing focus-tested metrics is completely foreign because they can't easily fix that in a future franchise entry.
TFA: female-led - made over $2b
Solo: male-led - flopped harder than any other star wars film
Therefore: star wars needs female leads
That's it to them. Applying the same concept to things like lightsabers, nostalgia-b8, particular characters and you understand their reasoning and why they're unable to make anything successful.
>Doubling down on TLJ after everyone agreed that it was an abomination of a film was a terrible decision
They didn't double down on it, though. They didn't even try to make a natural sequel to it.
>They didn't double down on it, though
The first thing they did was announce that Rian was making a trilogy of star wars films. Then the media spent 2 years trying to gaslight the public into thinking it was a good film, and that anyone who disliked it was an incel/troll/extremist, while their official twitter and writers/producers (like Pablo Hidalgo) insulted everyone who disliked it.
That campaign arguably did more damage than the film itself.
Johnson's trilogy was announced before TLJ even came out. Ultimately TROS came out two years after TLJ. For as desperate and cobbled together it was as a production, that still means they consciously decided to pivot away from TLJ within a year (at minimum) of its release. They were completely spineless.
>doesn't provide any information on Snoke, we don't have to see every fricking detail of a backstory on screen
Yes we do to have continuity with the previous films. Where the frick was this guy in the original films and how is he now the leader of The Empire 2: Electric Boogaloo. The sequel trilogy unironically needed more of George's galactic politics autism.
>kills Snoke
Probably the best decision he made but still did it in a shitty way that made him look like a moron. Kylo is then completely undermined as a threat again when he is knocked unconcious by Rey during the lightsaber struggle.
>sets up an interesting rivalry inside the First Order between Ren and Hux
Hux was completely cucked in this movie and lost any kind of threatening aura he had in TFA to make this work. So much so that he was replaced by Richard E. Grant's character and killed.
>makes Rey nobody.
Which made zero sense. People only jumped onto the "she must be related to someone" shit because she was such a ridiculous mary sue with powers and abilities way above her level of experience with the force.
>Allows Luke to make mistakes, makes him disilluded about the Jedi Order.
Which was done in a very cheap and unearned way. There were infinite reasons for why Luke could of been on that island but Rian went for the edgiest & most subversive choice of "he wants to die".
Everything else in that movie was the same Disney key jingling slop that the other sequel movies were. The only true interesting thing Rian could of done in TLJ was have Rey join Kylo in the throne room scene but he b***hed out on an actual true subversion to the story.
>The only true interesting thing Rian could have done in TLJ was have Rey join Kylo in the throne room scene but he b***hed out on an actual true subversion to the story.
This.
The movie was profoundly mediocre, the pacing was way off, and the constant dwelling on Luke Skywalker’s flaws were laughable.
Despite that, the one true subversive moment could have been Rey taking Kylo’s hand. That moment alone would have reversed The ESB moment where Luke jumped into the abyss rather than take his father’s hand. It would have been interesting at least.
Instead we got “Oi lyke Dis!!” And the ST collapsed into the dustbin of history
The only true interesting thing Rian could of done in TLJ was have Rey join Kylo in the throne room scene but he b***hed out on an actual true subversion to the story.
Pretty much, a lot of people harp on TROS for taking the story in a conventional direction but if we're being honest there wasn't much to do with TLJ's ending
Pretty much everytime the movie might actually do something interesting he sikes the viewer out. Rey not joining Kylo, Finn sacrificing himself but being stopped by Rose, Leia dying but then going Superman in space. The movie literally feels like it’s holding out a middle finger
>makes Rey nobody in order to show that you don't have to be Yoda's granddaughter to achive something important in this galaxy
You mean like Han Solo, Obi Wan, Yoda, Jin Erso, Ahsoka, even fricking Finn and pretty much everyone who isn’t a skywalker?
Virtually all the heroes/ villains in Star Wars come from nothing backgrounds. Rey wasn’t anything potentially new.
Even Luke was raised as a subsistence farmer on a third world planet. It was only because they made Rey so powerful immediately for no goddamn reason other than girlboss™ that they had to invent increasingly hilarious explanations for why she was doing the things that she was doing.
It would have been much better if she was nobody and wasn’t at all powerful. That would have been great
Snoke, so an actually interesting character, Kylo, tormented beetween good and evil, must be the villian in Episode IX
This is the one that actually fricking gets me. Snoke was literally the only person left in the first order that posed any actual threat. The canto bight sequence and how companies profit off of war or whatever could’ve actually been useful had they actually went further with it. If they tied Snoke to it, it would probably do a good job of explaining how and why the first order got so strong despite starting off of remnants from a dying empire. People always say Finn was the biggest wasted potential, and while I do like the idea of a stormtrooper defecting, I still don’t think it hurt the trilogy NEARLY as much as killing off Snoke did.
I liked the “war business” aspect of it, and the 1% partying up on Canto, and DJ’s cynicism. But they did fricking nothing with that. Nothing.
>dah rebellions are born again dahday!
This whole movie was fugazi crap
>and then they got exactly what they wanted with Episode IX
What kind of dumbass cope is this
JJ didn't do shit to give anyone what they wanted in Rise of Skywalker
Right.
Rise of Skywalker is MUCH worse than TLJ. Everyone agrees on that.
What you have to understand with TLJ Schizo is that “he” has a very low IQ. Extremely low. He thinks if you don’t like TLJ that you LOVE Rise of Skywalker. Everything is a binary to “him.”
He was doing the same kind of argument I've seen clickbait shills claim where they say Rise of Skywalker was giving fans what they wanted. Where was this actually happening? It feels like a fake as frick claim. No one demanded that Rey take the Skywalker name or wanted Palpatine to come back other than obvious Bad Robot shills
Exactly. The point of the Sequels, and by the way, the point of everything now as well is to make Rey Palpatine the center of the universe. When trashing Luke didn’t work, Kathy nervously went with resurrecting Palpatine so Rey could defeat him and steal that from Anakin.
The point is always the same.
Paid Kennedy shills is what killed Disney Wars.
Yes
>doesn't provide any information on Snoke, we don't have to see every fricking detail of a backstory on screen
he didn't provide any detail at all, we know next to nothing about him before he dies and the reason his backstory in Episode 9 is so shitty is because Rian gave us literally nothing
>sets up an interesting rivalry inside the First Order between Ren and Hux
It was set-up in TFA
>allows Luke to make mistakes, makes him disilluded about the Jedi Order and his role in the big scheme of things, that way he can give him an actual reason to be for that long on that island J.J. Abrams put him on and also give him interesting arc showing that it's never too late to admit to your mistakes, embrace what you are and fight for the good
Luke had made plenty of mistakes in the past, and him becoming disilluded could've interesting had they actually explained why in greater detail why a noble, idealistic young man turned into a pathetic grouchy old man. But instead we get that 20 minute casino scene that adds nothing to the film.
Correct. Because TLJ was trash
the problem doesnt end with just identifying it moron
Splunk's Father, Sploodge Gorbo
Swampassians from the planet Swampass
lmao
I'm inclined to agree after watching Glass Onion last night. It was an absolute troll of a movie where the mystery aspect is basically just the script of the movie telling you lies and then expecting you to be impressed when it reveals that it has 'tricked' you. A farcical comedy in disguise as a movie from another genre. I doubt he does it on purpose, but it seems to be a pattern.
He actually would have made a great point if he didn't end the movie with
>And then the Empire came back stronger than ever with the small rebels fleeing from them
Wow what a great subversion of expectation Rian! You first made us think you'd take Star Wars in a different direction only to end the movie exactly how it started! Lmao! Didn't expect that!
Seriously, there is literally no difference between the beginning of TLJ to the end, it's all filler only that Snoke and Luke are gone so removed the last interesting part of the universe and left no story to be told. Great writing moron
This was my biggest issue with it. I left the cinema thinking 'what was the point in any of that?' We start at point A and circle back to point A. I like that he tried to do something different, it just didn't work unfortunately. It's still better than rise of skywalker though
Yeah. I could forgive any of TLJ's bullshit if it actually DID take us into a different direction. But it didn't. It pretended to be subversive only to turn out to be the most generic slop to exist. Rey in the is still the superhero that saves everyone. Kylo is still the evil edge lord. The rebels for whatever fricking reason are still the underdogs the Empire is back to be exactly like the in the OT. The story had nowhere to go except being a lame retelling of the OT. Rian tried to hard to be subversive only to turn around completely to tell a nothingburger story with no impact. That's really the most offensive part of it all. That that smug moron actually THINKS that he was being subversive and smart when in fact he produced even bigger McDonald's run of the mill slop than Abrams
And that he actually thinks that the audience are the ones too dumb to get it when in fact he was too dumb to write an actually subversive story
He didn’t try anything new. He just made sure that all the women were awesome and all the men were idiots. And DJ didn’t have a “heart of gold” or something. It was like a dumb person’s attempt at a “smart” deconstruction of a franchise.
The franchise and fantasy tropes in general were better deconstructed in Empire Strikes Back
Rian's movie was still a circlejerk of iconography with the added failure that he didn't understand what he was deconstructing in the first place or something as simple as the hero's journey, and that 'subverting' tropes does not a good story make
Something that all the IT BROKE NEW GROUND basedjaks forget about TLJ is that 95% is OT scenes copied shot for shot and thrown in a blender
>he didn't understand what he was deconstructing in the first place or something as simple as the hero's journey
i love when morons like you prove they have no idea what they're talking about
part of the RETURN phase:
"In some cases, heroes discover that their new level of awareness and understanding is far greater than the people around them can grasp or accept. They may become disillusioned or frustrated and leave society to be on their own"
That's not why Luke left though.
he left because he thought he will end the cycle of the light side and the dark side battling each other forever
"it's time for the jedi to end"
"legacy of the jedi is failure"
are you conscious when you're watching any media or are you just staring in your popcorn bucket?
He had other good students. He had no reason to go full doomer and shit on their sacrifices like nobody understood anything and he was all alone. He wasn't alone. They died for him.
Even Mark Hamill thought it was moronic and never was that upbeat about the change. "He's not my Luke Skywalker." "A Jedi would never give up."
Even he couldn't help himself from blurting out the shitshow.
again, that's part of the heroe's journey which was your big argument two posts ago so decide on your narrative
It was done to give Luke’s story to Rey. That’s it and that’s all. But Rey is an absolutely awful character, who doesn’t move merch, or doesn’t connect with the fan base.
Rey is a terrible character but some random chud poll on the internet really doesn't prove anything
>Chud
Why the frick is this word the answer to everything in the world as to any dissent, any dissent at all, or criticism of, corporate media?
90% of people who don’t dig the ST aren’t “chuds”
well you're a chud
I’m about the farthest thing on Earth from.
Why is Luke going the hero journey in the sequel trilogy when the OG trilogy already had him go through it? Why is Johnson regressing Luke? If he wanted to subvert the journey, then he should have done it (well) with Rey, the actual main character
>Why is Luke going the hero journey in the sequel trilogy when the OG trilogy already had him go through it?
beacuse he didn't go through the whole circle in OT, maybe read the heroe's journey before you base your arguments on it
What part of the journey did Luke miss in the OG trilogy? His confrontation with Vader and Sheev and his temptation to strike down Vader in his anger before ultimately deciding he was in fact a Jedi is the final breakthrough on the journey. What am I missing here? And how does Rey fit into or add to Luke’s hero journey?
then read it instead of watching rage youtube videos, you actually might learn something
https://www.yourheroicjourney.com/the-heros-journey-lifes-great-adventure-2/
I read the book and your link is nothing new. Frankly is the strangest argument about TLJ I’ve ever seen. Luke is pretty much the contemporary gold standard for explaining the hero journey. Explain it to me in your own words. What was Luke missing on his journey?
>Luke is pretty much the contemporary gold standard for explaining the hero journey.
This
>Explain it to me in your own words.
ok since you clearly didn't read it I will spell it out to you
>The Call: "The Call invites us into the adventure, offers us the opportunity to face the unknown and gain something of physical or spiritual value. We may choose willingly to undertake the quest, or we may be dragged into it unwillingly."
New Hope. Luke goes on an adventure where he takes first steps to understand his family lineage and the way of the Force.
>The Threshold: "Once called to the adventure, we must pass over the Threshold. The Threshold is the “jumping off point” for the adventure. It is the interface between the known and the unknown. In the known world, we feel secure because we know the landscape and the rules. Once past the threshold, however, we enter the unknown, and because it is unknown, it is a world filled with challenges and dangers."
Empire Strikes Back. Luke's training on Dagobah and confrontation with Vader reveals his inexperience in the Force and shakes everything he thought about himself and who his father is.
>The Road of Trials: "Once past the Threshold, we begin the journey into the unknown. On our quest, we face a series of challenges or temptations. The early challenges are usually relatively easy. By meeting them successfully, we build maturity, skill and confidence."
Return of the Jedi. Luke is being tempted by the dark side through the whole movie which is being represented even in his clothing: black robes.
>Into the Abyss: "When we reach the Abyss, we face the greatest challenge of the journey. In the Abyss we usually face our greatest fear or weakness. While we can get advice and encouragement from our helpers, we must face this challenge alone."
Return of the Jedi. Luke's confrontation with Vader and Emperor.
>Revelation and Transformation:"In the Abyss, all structure is gone. Our old self has died, and the journey has made space for a new self to be born."
Return of the Jedi. Luke becomes a Jedi.
as you see at the end of Return of the Jedi Luke is exactly at the mid point in his journey
and then there's the
>Return: "We may have ideas that will redirect or revitalize the community. Unfortunately, though, we may find that our message is rejected because it upsets the status quo."
The Last Jedi: "it's time for the Jedi to end", "legacy of the Jedi is failure."
>"In some cases, heroes discover that their new level of awareness and understanding is far greater than the people around them can grasp or accept. They may become disillusioned or frustrated and leave society."
The Last Jedi: Basically most of it.
>"The essence of the Return is to begin contributing to our society. In mythology, some heroes return to save or renew their community in some way."
The Last Jedi: In the end Luke returns to not only help his siter and friends but also give the inspiration and hope for the whole galaxy to fight back.
Rey has 0 journey.
That’s why fans hate her, and normies have completely forgotten that she exists
This is a very odd interpretation. You can easily have Luke complete the hero’s journey without the new trilogy.
> the call
The arrival of C-3PO and R2-D2 and seeing Leia’s Message.
> the threshold
The quest to destroy the Death Star is the first major roadblock Luke faces, culminating at his mentor’s death which signifies the end of the first threshold and the journey toward transformation
> the road of trails
Training with Yoda, most specifically his episode in the evil cave
> into the abyss
Choosing to confront Vader at Cloud City before he was ready and being defeated
> revelation and transformation
Luke’s heritage is revealed, and he is left both mentally and physically scarred from the encounter
> transformation
Luke completes his training with Yoda and becomes a Jedi knight
> Return
Luke goes to from Vader once more, confident in both the training and the goodness that persists in Vader. Luke must convince Yoda, Ben, and even Shesv there is still good in Vader and stakes his life on it. Luke almost loses himself in the process, but preservers
> gift
Saves the galaxy and presumably starts a new order
You see what I’m saying about not needing to retread the hero journey with Luke? His arc, a timeless story, was complete without the ST
Lucas spells out the arc was complete here:
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This.
Luke brings back the Jedi Order. That’s the way the story was designed in 1977. Kathleen is throwing her rep away and embarrassing herself trying to change that. Just give that back to Luke.
I have no problem with Rey (or preferably Shin, or a proper character. Rey is just awful) creating their own Force based order, battling their own villains, etc. But stealing the New Jedi Order from Luke, stealing Palpatine from Anakin (and Luke), stealing defeating the Empire from Leia (Han, and Luke) is trash. It’s complete trash. The stigma of stealing these plot points from the most beloved film characters of all time is going to haunt Rey and Kennedy until the end of time.
Actually amazing that you think that Luke's story that Lucas explicitly based on the monomyth is somehow incomplete. Was this intentional on George's part or is he just that stupid and incompetent?
>Was this intentional on George's part or is he just that stupid and incompetent?
No, it was intentional since Lucas wanted exactly the same treatment for Luke that he got in the Last Jedi
Lucas wasn't thinking about an Episode 7, 8, and 9 when he was making the OT. Even as he was making the Prequels he said things like "these six films are one complete story" and "there is no Episode 7." His ideas for the Sequels came to him later as he was preparing to sell Lucasfilm. Luke's story and arc concluded with Return of the Jedi.
>exactly the same treatment for Luke that he got in the Last Jedi
I wouldn't say "exactly." It's true that Luke in isolation was George's idea, but we have no idea what the reasoning behind it was. There could be any number of reasons besides Luke having failed to train new Jedi and losing faith in the Order that he would self-impose exile.
Lucas’s reasoning was that Luke was betrayed by one of his students. And that betrayal haunted him.
It wasn’t that the most powerful Jedi ever, the leader of the Jedi Order, and the man who brought Vader back from the dark side and defeated the Sith was suddenly afraid of his 24 year old nephew and acted completely out of character. That was Kathleen and Rian, because Kathleen wants Star Wars to be about her (Rey)
It kinda mirrors Jim Raynor from Starcraft. For those who don't know.
>woman he likes becomes evil
>he holds out hope that she can be brought back
>murders hundreds of billions of people
>personally murders his best friend
>he swears vengeance
>Blizzard decides that now he's forgiven her and wants to apologize for his cis male privilege
>also she's now part of a prophecy to save the universe or something
>she gets a happy ending and doesn't have to apologize for the trillions she murdered
you have no idea what a monomyth is
>There comes the crossing of the line again, what I call the return across the threshold. The line through which you passed when you went pass when you leave the powers behind.
>Now, the crises of descent and return will match. If you make the descent by being swallowed by a whale, for instance—as Jonah is, being swallowed by the abyss—at the end you’ll be thrown back up out of the whale.
>The whole idea is that you’ve got to bring out again that which you went to recover, the unrealized, unutilized potential in yourself. The whole point of this journey is the reintroduction of this potential into the world; that is to say, to you living in the world. You are to bring this treasure of understanding back and integrate it in a rational life.
The best way to tell someone's never actually read Campbell is that they think some dude's blog is a suitable replacement for actually quoting Campbell.
>the mentor character is the only one having a full hero's journey while the main characters are left in the dust
>kill the mentor at the end anyway
Lmao.
On a sidenote, it's weird that they got two directors that barely saw or cared about SW (even enough to tear it down properly, if that's what you want), but it seems like the typical actor had good memories of it. Especially Gen X age actors.
But it doesn't matter what actors care about. Why would they get guys who were so careless at the helm? This is the only place you wanted someone as spergy as Lucas. Not the actors.
>tell new stories
Are you fricking kidding???
The ST was a literal one-to-one remake/ ripoff of the Original Trilogy. Intentionally so. The reason everyone HATES the ST is specifically because it just reset the galaxy and told the SAME exact story as the OT except with vastly inferior characters
>The ST was a literal one-to-one remake/ ripoff of the Original Trilogy. Intentionally so.
I think they simply hoped to recreate a similar fanbase, but with just more girls. And not the girls who liked Princess Leah bikinis. Hence most of the same story beats and such. They thought it was a "formula" that would simply generate the same love, but with improvments in their mind. They thought SW was a moneytree where they could sacrifice everything for it. It just didn't pan out.
The hilarious thing is, as TFA proves, it really was a working money printing machine when they bought it and they were just that incompetent that they fricked it all up in less than three years
TFA only proved that Han/ Luke/ Leia are the biggest box draws on Earth. And as soon as the fans and normies figured out what Disney was doing with the Big 3 and the brand (and the dumb soft remake paradigm)- the box office dropped- 65% and merch sales dropped - 80% by the end of its run
*box office
The movie itself has some inexcusable pacing problems, but it’s still the best of the sequels by leaps and bounds. Luke’s showings in the mandalorin and boba fett’s show were utter slop.
No, they weren’t.
The conclusion of the finale of Mando S2 (prior to CGI) was very well done. The editing, the different character perspectives, the incremental reveals, the way the music was utilized. As a bit of filmmaking, it was quite solid and WAY above the embarrassing amateurish CW-esque direction that I saw the other night on Ashoka. Peyton Reed is a very solid Director.
The CGI wasn’t great. Everything before that was well done. I know basement dwellers like to craft false binaries wherein “dummies like CGI slop” and “smarties don’t.” But the more nuanced approach is that the scene was well executed (because it was) but the CGI was subpar. That CGI was very lackluster
If they ended the show there, people would talk about the Mandalorian in the same way they talk about Andor or the OT.
They didn't even need to end Mando there but man had it really continue so badly?
The buck breaking of STgays by simply showing Luke as a competent Jedi remains hilarious to watch
Some of them are shills. The rest are reycels or legitimate morons
Broken clocks and everything. Yes, Star Wars needed to steer clear of the near 1:1 copy of the OT the other hack tried to set up. It also needed the movies to be good and TLJ wasn't.
It’s all about the familiarity of the franchise that sells it. That’s why all these franchises sell for big money even after their stories have been told. People want to consume something familiar and stories they have invested time into.
>"correctly identify that starwars needs to cut itself loose from previous stories and tell new stories in the starwars universe unburned by charactes and plot from previous starwars ip"
>demonstrates this by making a spiteful, bafflingly annoying movie that instead of ignoring legacy characters decides to shit all over them in irreversible ways, and puts the new characters on a completely predictable, generic journey we've already seen with the previous characters
lol
They didn't want to cut loose to simply move on to new stories. The old things needed to be actively attacked in their minds. It wasn't accident or incompetence. They swallowed up narratives that it was all a relic of patriarchy, but also thought there was also a good core of SW that they could work with. They thought they could recreate an entirely new fanbase of "better people" of the same size by using "iconic" story beats of the old trilogy but with cultural adjustments to their liking. This is Disney's whole schtick across the board, beyond just SW. And other corps. Every one of them is undergoing a kind of Martin Luther esque moment where everything is evil and has to be reformed and upheaved. For some fricking reason, they woke up 10 years ago and suddenly hated everything about the world they live in. Even stupid shit like SW. Nothing is immune and nothing untouched.
>puts the new characters on a completely predictable, generic journey we've already seen with the previous characters
This. It's funny that people talk about Rian giving a "new direction" to Star Wars when all he did is neuter Finn and Poe as comic reliefs characters, and just make Rey good Kylo evil. He was on the verge of accomplishing something interesting but Rey declined Kylo's offer of joining him. Which just put the story in such banal and simplistic repeat of the OT scenario that the only way to mix things up was a ridiculous asspull like Palpatine returning so Kylo isn't the villain.
This. Rian didn’t have the balls to actually go through with his “new directions”
Exactly. Rian’s “brave new direction” was just the Rebels vs. The Empire part 39
He wrecked it with the most boring Star Wars film ever made.
He's honestly the greatest and most damaging troll in the history of cinema/television. He cost Yidney billions, BILLIONS in future earnings for nu-wars.
Don’t forget, people were still mass-huffing copium over TFA being mid at the time, if he had actually delivered a half-decent film it would all have been forgiven. Instead he made the shittiest possible film he could. It’s almost like he sat down, scoured Cinemaphile for every major issue brought up, then amplified every complaint we had about TFA to 11 on purpose, and splattered woke ideology over it as well so Yidney and the internet troony brigades were forced to shill for and defend, literal dogshit. I could only DREAM of tricking my enemies, into both praising and financially backing something I created specifically to spite them.
Oh anon, you don’t like Mary Sues like Rey huh? Well enjoy, they aren’t just gonna be Mary Sues, they’re gonna be the Mary fricking Poppins of Mary Sues, literally! And there’ll be like 5 of them in the same film! The space battles don’t make sense? Good, mine will make even less sense, enjoy r*ddit-tier arguments during battles and scifi versions of 1940s bomber planes, in space, dropping bombs reliant on gravity momentum to work, bombs like that don’t even exist NOW, all modern bombs today have various guidance systems built into them, let alone the future, it’s moronic as frick, you’ll hate it! Oh, and you think Snoke has potential as a villain? That’s great, so im gonna kill him within 3 minutes of his big reveal, I could go on. It’s a goldmine of bad film ideas and design philosophies. All on purpose I feel.
Honestly, i hated nu-wars from the moment i walked out of TFA and wrote off the whole universe on the spot. But, if they had put me in Rian's place, and i felt like tanking the entire franchise with extreme prejudice, I dont think i could have done more damage to Yidney than Rian, his masterpiece of garbage is a work of trolling art. Genius
>future
Fake fan. Everyone knows Star Wars takes place long ago in a galaxy far far away...
>tell a terrible story full of awful character development, plot holes and petty insults towards beloved old characters
>people hate him for it
>shills try and pretend that people are upset that he did something different as opposed to just making a shit film
I think these people are a mix of moronic trolls who've been finessing their angle of shilling for Rian for literally years at this point, uninterested in getting schooled over and over again, they just are addicted to (you)s and havent got the IQ or independent thought to gather them by writing something new, only regurgitating the same bait arguments.
That, and the other half of shills are literally AI bots spam-posting in every keyword thread indefinitely to astroturf for Yidney.
The fact that these people will shill for his incredibly mid murder mystery movies just to own the star wars fans is hilarious to me.
The implication behind
>we should tell new stories
is
>we should tell new stories that are good
and that second part if where he fell down
>you have to like this guy for making an obnoxious and boring movie filled with plot holes
>otherwise you're an incel??
These arguments get worse by the day.
>complains about a children's franchise,wonder why women ignore and the rest of the planets mocks him.
>starwars needs to cut itself loose from previous stories and tell new stories in the starwars universe unburned by charactes and plot from previous starwars ip
>he fulfills his own prophecy by burning down the existing characters, ensuring they can never be used again because everyone knows that in the future they'll be ruined
TLJ was in fact the most Star Warsy of the Nu Wars movies
It was garbage…..crafted by psueds and sniffed up by brainlets
The casino planet did remind me of the prequels.
This thread confirms to me that meme poisoning is going to be a serious issue for tablet zoomers who were raised by websites and youtubers, and only getting worse from here as newer generations have their parents just sticking a device in their hands and not being cognizant of what this does to a developing brain. There are people here who can have their entire way of thinking and speaking altered by greentext on Cinemaphile. Some troon says "member berries" or "glup shitto" and they download new program and start repeating, endlessly, thoughtlessly. It's dystopian.
When people say they want something new, that it also be good is just an assumed quality. This idea that garbage should be appreciated on the merit of being never before seen garbage is so moronic I would almost swear it was trolling, if I hadn't seen the kind of moronic gay shit people here will say and defend for months.
>starwars needs to cut itself loose from previous stories and tell new stories in the starwars universe unburned by charactes and plot from previous starwars ip
>Constantly reuses all his old characters and dusts off & continue all his old CW/Rebels plotlines instead
Star wars is never going to reach the heights of the pre-2010's. It's never going to die, but let's not fool ourselves here. this franchise is on eternal life support like zombie simpsons.
> that starwars needs to cut itself loose from previous stories and tell new stories in the starwars universe unburned by charactes and plot from previous starwars ip
His movie did none of that though? It was still revolving around the skywalker saga but just executed terribly
I'm not going to read through the entire thread since its obvious bait, but has anyone posted the comparison between TLJ and Spaceballs? It really is uncanny.
Anyways, Rian is obviously an untalented dick gay who made an overrated episode for an overrated show and really shouldn't have a career, but the final blame will always rest with Kathleen. She was handed what was at that time the most successful and profitable film IP in history with an enormous fanbase that had been ravenously consuming everything from toys to video games to books for literally decades. To take that and to not even have a plan, to just think you're going to put out a trilogy of films where the second film shits on the first and the third film has to shit on the second, it was incredible incompetence. I don't know who she's married to, but she has to be a nepo hire, a fricking wendy's manager would have had more sense than that. Rian and JJ are morons, but who the hell let them just do whatever they wanted?
And now that most successful film IP in history gets outsold by Guardians of the Galaxy, something so obscure even lifelong comic readers had to look it up when it was announced. Imagine telling someone in 2010 that Starlord would outsell Boba Fett in the action figure department.
identify that starwars needs to cut itself loose from previous stories and tell new stories in the starwars universe unburned by charactes and plot from previous starwars ip
This was only a problem because The Force Awakens made it a problem.
>t. RLM incarnate
He turned it into his personal Freudian psychodrama. It's just as tawdry as Farce Awakens' A New Hope retread, just in an overtly hostile fashion.
RLM doesn't like Last Jedi, hell in the Plinkett review they said it "may have singlehandedly ended" Star Wars. Why do CinemaphileBlack folk want RLM to be on Rian's side?
Yeah, that was fricking nuts. Why would the Russian government care about the reception of a Star Wars movie?
RLM liked TLJ and called it “Messy but not a Mess” and especially loved Rey and loved how Luke was an incel.
It was only afterwards that Mike Stoklasa and his slaves tried to backtrack and pretend they didn’t like TLJ.
They were pretty mixed on it, thought it was somewhat interesting but also a dead end and kind of pointless. I wouldn’t call them fans of it.
This narrative is breaking down
Ahsoka had nostalgia but also new shit and executed fairly well by someone who understands the proper tone of star wars
We no longer have to live in this paradigm of "well tfa was too safe, tlj was interesting but also really messy and clearly an overreaction
>Ahsoka had nostalgia but also new shit and executed fairly well
Ahsoka sucked.
le negative star wars poster of tv
It's just a bad show. It's a tedious waste of time.
>>the starwars franchise is now a nostalgia circle jerk full of "omg its Splunk Gorbo from Starwars: Swampass ™!"
now? it's arguably been that since 1999, and definitely from 2005 onwards. and it's hard to take his assessment seriously when his film has scenes that are almost lifted directly from ESB and RotJ
Well maybe he should have made a good movie to get his point across?
>TLJ is literally just Empire and RotJ, but someone dropped the storyboards and forgot to number them
OMG SO FRESH AND NEW! I got so hekkin TRICKED and SUBVERTED when he said Not-Hoth was salt!
>starwars needs to cut itself loose from previous stories and tell new stories in the starwars universe unburned by charactes and plot from previous starwars ip
Except, you can't actually do that because there ARE no more stories to tell. Star Wars is not a serial where you can just keep adding on bullshit, it's a single story about a father and a son, and that's it. The narrative ended with ROTJ. Even if the sequels hadn't been complete dogshit, they still would have seemed superfluous.
The themes of The Last Jedi were certainly interesting, and there is no doubt Rian Johnson had a more compelling artistic vision than Disney. Johnson is clearly well read, and there are elements of The Last Jedi that even bring to mind the teachings of the ancient Rosicrucians. He is a talented writer in many respects, but filmmaking is an entirely different beast from writing, and he is not a talented filmmaker. The Last Jedi was too long, too poorly paced, too obscure for a blockbuster of its magnitude, with characters poorly handled, and jokes that didn’t land. Abrams, for all his faults, makes Johnson look like an apprentice behind the camera.
there was a good movie in there somewhere, with another director and some editing
>makes Johnson look like an apprentice behind the camera
I agree with some of your points but c'mon, Johnson is miles above Abrams when it comes to shot composions or camera movements
You typically worry about things like shot composition after you have properly paced your film or gave developed characterization to your main cast. But it looks pretty, I agree with you there.
The structural filmmaking was mostly solid, though the rhythm and pacing were off (especially in the first third).
It was the ideas that were superficial, and a lead protagonist that was hollow and superfluous.
>spend an entire movie with no character arcs or interesting story elements so you can build up the first act in your epic new trilogy
>ignore all of it so you can pretend to be an auteur instead of the generic goyslop director you are
I feel asleep 20 minutes into Rouge One had haven't watched anything Star Wars since then so I don't really give a shit, but it seems to me he should have done this stuff with a new movie/story, instead of essentially rebooting a trilogy after the first movie.
Remember when Rian took the biggest mass murderer in Star Wars galactic history and made him the brunt of a yo-mama joke in the first 5 minutes?
Remember they turned him into a comedy character and then a fricking good guy in Rise of Skywalker?? These movies were such trash
>I am the spy
>*wink*
Yes, Star Wars fans are dumbasses.
>new story
>still remakes portion of the OT, up to including plot, theme, setting and characterisation
His mistake was not practising what he preaches
The real goal was never to be “subversive.” It was to use that as an artifice. It was to reset the universe back to rebels vs empire, and humiliate Luke. That’s it
he didnt tell new stories though. he just took apart the exisiting plot without adding anything new.
he was a toddler knocking over blocks
Blaming JJ or Rian is a deflection away from where the real blame lies, which is the Disney management they were answerable to.
I was a TLJ-defender but that was based entirely on the assumption that there was a long-term plan, a big vision for the sequel trilogy which Rian was working in service of, and the last movie would make what he was setting up there pay off and resolve the remaining threads from TFA, in a cunning resolution of JJ's "nostalgia rules" and Rian's "nostalgia drools" point and counterpoint.
Didn't happen. Instead we got TRoS, which made both TLJ *and* TFA worse in retrospect. Try watching *either* of those movies now, knowing what they are setting up. Sure, sure, it's about the journey, not the destination, but the chunk of TFA which is not rehashing the OT is incessantly telling you "here's a cool mystery which will be resolved later, The Answer Will Shock You!" - it's a journey built on the promise that the destination will be worthwhile.
TLJ was built on the idea of "haha, the journey is now taking you somewhere you didn't expect, the last movie will end up in a very unexpected place indeed" and, er, I guess that's true but only because I didn't expect Disney to be as shameless as they were.
And it is all because THERE WAS NO PLAN. Can't blame Rian for going off in his own direction; if at any point someone higher in the food chain had said "no, we are not going that route" or "hey, here is what the final movie is going to be about, we need you to plant these seeds for it", he'd surely have done it.
Instead, he and JJ both were given totally free hands, and they both failed to yes-and each other and Disney only stepped in to course-correct in the most short-sighted way possible, based more around appeasing complainers (whilst fricking over anyone who liked TLJ, guaraneeing further complaining) than producing something of enduring appeal which could provide a basis for subsequent development of the franchise. Artistic and commercial suicide.
>he likes slow-speed chases with arcing laser blasts
>he also likes corny/highly predictable "sike" storytelling
You might actually be more moronic than Rian, OP...
>and tell new stories
So why didn't he?
All anybody wanted from new Star Wars movies was book adaptations. Preferably cutting out the old cast to be able to do stories directly after the original trilogy. Nobody wanted new stories
>I put the end of EP 5 in the middle and the beginning of ep 5 at the end! I brought star wars into a new and exciting direction.
Really homie?
Yes but do it at the beginning of a trilogy instead of shitting burning diarrhea on the setup of a movie based on setup
He had nice ideas but oh boy a 3 hour long spinning middle finger with the words "frick you" would've been more respectful
>implying Swampass wasn't peak Star Wars
>original
>redoes the Hoth scene from Empire but with a salt planet instead of a snow planet
>even has one of the soldiers lick the ground and tell the audience it is salt.
Oh the fricking man baby is angry that the man babies are mad that his movie FRICKING SUCKS DONKEY NIPPLE wienerS.
The force awakens was already a nostalgia circlejerk, it was already too late to get away from that in the sequel.
Movie degree gaylords love Andor and TLJ. Frick off you pretentious frickers. Assoka explores fantasy in a way you can begin to understand due to your hubris for the mythical.
Ahsoka doesn't explore anything but how to waste time and have characters stare off into the distance.
Brainlets like TLJ..
Andor is at least, well done
TLJ doesn't miss the point of Star Wars as badly as Andor does.
Brainlets don't understand the point of Star Wars
Correctly my ass. New and original movies should be their own self contained things, not extensions of legacy universes. For better or worse the fundamental core rules of what SW is and should be are already set. There are already expected themes, narrative structures, tone, cinematographic style and so on that identify SW and set it apart.
Working on a legacy universe means to organically to add to it, to build over what´s already there, not to reinvent it into something beyond recognition or to shamelessly use some shallow elements to build one´s own vision.
If the most memorable character in an entire trilogy is an unnamed, faceless stormtrooper who had a minute of screentime, you've failed to make an engaging product.
My favorite part was how nothing was accomplished except everything being worse than it was when the movie started.
Why did he do it
I would have been happy with 3 more PTesque movies with the dumber shit removed, refined writing.
He wanted to spend more time with his Black daughter.
Boomer Wars was never good
>still trying to defend the horrific failure that is Rian Johnson's life
>not accepting that he will always be perceived as trash
Remember to breathe while you seethe, sequeltards KEK
>correctly identify that starwars needs to cut itself loose from previous stories and tell new stories
yeah AFTER THIS TRILOGY IS OVER you dumb fricking b***h
Yea.. and how’s that going?? Tell me what the future Star Wars tv/movies are going to be?
ngl i did NOT like the last jedi when i first saw it. But after a rewatch years later i realized it was kino & placed it much higher now
imo Rogue One is the best Star Wars movie ever, but TLJ is the second best Disney Star Wars Movie
Rise of Skywalker should've had Kylo and Rey switch sides
That would've actually been interesting and made sense since Kylo was going back and forth on which side he wanted to be on and Rey has just had nonstop aggression in everything she does but you can't have Rey show weakness
if he wanted to deconstruct he should have made his own sci fi movie
you can't put out 7 parts of a movie series and then just tear it apart.
if he had directed it like a normal fricking person the trilogy would have been satisfying and given the old characters a good send off instead of the crap they got and star wars wouldn't be wallowing.
he literally ruined the franchise