The dude on the left is most likely an Italian, while the dude on the right most likely knows a handful of Latin phrases and primarily speaks a Germanic language.
it all served a purpose. segmentata stopped being useful when Persia became serious problem again. The army started to wear white and much lighting armour because predominantly in warmer climate in season. proof is in dura europos.
anyway late Roman is cool. especially the new formed horseguard who were insanely trained to be experts in pretty much everything especially horse archery
isn't the right similar to how the celts dressed?
I find it hard to believe that very many soldiers were actually wearing segmentata. It looks like it would have been very expensuve to make.
The one in the right is a gallic dude. Just look at the pattern in his pants, his shield with celtic motives, or his sword looking nothing like a spatha
Late Rome was AESTHETIC as frick
Lorica segmentata was never common, are you all historylets? Hamata was used throughout the entire history of Rome from early republic and late empire but segmentata was always a meme, they were never able to produce enough of it to equip more than a couple legions AT MOST and even that's probably pushing it. It initially was assumed to be common because of paintings and statues but the evidence we've been able to recover of the actual armor is so scarce and records of their mass use basically nonexistent that it's now widely understood they were basically ceremonial.
They would have parades in them because they looked cool but in terms of what they actual legions wore on the far corners of the empire, very few were equipped with actual segmentata armor. Would've thought Cinemaphile of all boards would keep up with this shit, you're supposed to be the smartest minds this site has to offer.
>Cinemaphile >you're supposed to be the smartest minds this site has to offer
What. This is the fricking stupidest board on Cinemaphile. Mods don't even clean up ironic shitposting here because it's accepted as "board culture". Try to make any of the meme threads that get spammed here daily anywhere else and jannies will clean them up within minutes.
Believe it or not, Cinemaphile is 10x more moronic and historically illiterate than Cinemaphile. I hate that fricking board and everyone that lurks it.
Dude major well-researched media like The Gladiator and Rome Total War show legions wearing the segmentata. Are you so contrarian that you must invent a conspiracy theory about how they're actually wrong despite consulting subject matter experts? And that you, a random internet schizo, has figured out the great swindle of... making the Romans look cool? I don't get what you'd think their motivation might be. You're really putting the western mental health epidemic on display here.
This isn't even controversial or schizo, this is literally what archaeologists and historians now know, you can look it up if you don't believe me.
Lorica hamata has always been more common throughout the empire while segmentata enjoyed a very brief window of use and never anywhere near as widely as hamata. Not even close.
>segmentata enjoyed a very brief window of use
which happened to be the period when Jesus lived, so I think thats part of why its so commonly used. Also it has a unique appearance compared to chainmail which makes it more iconic.
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Lorica segmentata was never common, are you all historylets? Hamata was used throughout the entire history of Rome from early republic and late empire but segmentata was always a meme, they were never able to produce enough of it to equip more than a couple legions AT MOST and even that's probably pushing it. It initially was assumed to be common because of paintings and statues but the evidence we've been able to recover of the actual armor is so scarce and records of their mass use basically nonexistent that it's now widely understood they were basically ceremonial.
They would have parades in them because they looked cool but in terms of what they actual legions wore on the far corners of the empire, very few were equipped with actual segmentata armor. Would've thought Cinemaphile of all boards would keep up with this shit, you're supposed to be the smartest minds this site has to offer.
All work in the fields of humanities and archelogy after the 20th century is bonkers and non valid.
The geniuses of 20th century figured everhting out and now non squitter ~~*academics*~~ go "uhmmm ackshually" to chase clout.
No Dinosaurs did not have feathers and Roman legionairs looked cool, frick you.
He's posting on the same level as the "swords were never used in battle" guys
Yes I bet that even though swords were much more expensive to make than spears, you'd just equip tons of dudes with swords for no reason at all
>"Video games never exaggerate history to sell games"
Total War gets away with so much shit because games like the Stronghold series were their original competitors. If you didn't say there were half man half pig hybrids then your game was "historically accurate". Now Total War is grandfathered in.
>Total War >Historically credible
Anon... they research their game but still include pop culture stuff because it's popular. Rome is particulary egregious because they anachronisticaly put bronze age egypt because it's more popular for example.
>rome total war >not accurate
Are you trying to tell me that multiple 200 strong units of Gladiators were not fielded in battle by the Roman Army? say it isn't so...
Rome deploying Gladiator in battle is like US Army deploying MMA fighter or Olympic shooter. Pop culture stuff about Roman and Vikings are just so silly.
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MMA FIGHTERS VS TALIBAN LETS GOOOOOOOOO
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>rome total war >not accurate
Are you trying to tell me that multiple 200 strong units of Gladiators were not fielded in battle by the Roman Army? say it isn't so...
It did actually happen on multiple occasions. Though it reflected poorly on those fielding them, and the gladiators didn’t give a good accounting of themselves.
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Edge case like that presented as if it's a somewhat regular things is why blacks got inserted into all kind of historical show.
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Gladiators were pretty good at single combat and they used them as instructors for that purpose. But obviously if you try and make a bunch of guys who never fought in formations fight in formations it's not gonna end well. Marius, for example, only did it because these were the only trained fighters he had access to inside Rome when it was besieged by Sulla.
>Total War >Historically credible
Anon... they research their game but still include pop culture stuff because it's popular. Rome is particulary egregious because they anachronisticaly put bronze age egypt because it's more popular for example.
Rome total war is absolutely kino, discovering the hidden amazon settlement (and learning the hard way how not to fight chariot) for the first time was great.
>Would've thought Cinemaphile of all boards would keep up with this shit, you're supposed to be the smartest minds this site has to offer.
Cinemaphile is just the dedicated pedophile board, i don't know what you were expecting
>Would've thought Cinemaphile of all boards would keep up with this shit, you're supposed to be the smartest minds this site has to offer.
Lol? Lmao? The smartest are Cinemaphile, Cinemaphile, /misc/ and Cinemaphile. MAYBE even Cinemaphile and /x/, but not fricking teevee of all places. It's a consoomer board like Cinemaphile
>The smartest >/pol/
The Great Autism War of 2014 utterly destroyed it before it had even reached its max potential, and it's only got worse with every passing year
Cinemaphile has been invaded by poltards and dropped the IQ significantly. All you idiots do is b***h about israelites, blacks, and vax conspiracies in every fricking thread.
The dude on the left is most likely an Italian, while the dude on the right most likely knows a handful of Latin phrases and primarily speaks a Germanic language.
it all served a purpose. segmentata stopped being useful when Persia became serious problem again. The army started to wear white and much lighting armour because predominantly in warmer climate in season. proof is in dura europos.
anyway late Roman is cool. especially the new formed horseguard who were insanely trained to be experts in pretty much everything especially horse archery
>I only like when they were winning
telling you right now this gay as frick. Imagine not liking the idea of a group of people/city state refusing to die for hundreds of years.
Pretty much. I think it is based on one reference so it could be made up. Still looks cool and whoever used one was likely a maniac ready to die at any moment
Artist's rendition of a handheld greek fire flamethrower. I'm pretty sure greek fire was only mounted on ships and maybe defensive structures, but I'm pretty sure it wasn't as portable as that picture
Btw greek fire is supposedly some sort of wünderwaffe napalm mix that would remain far superior to any modern napalm mix, but the recipe was super sekrit and died out with both it's inventor and the burning of the formula decadea later to prevent the invading army from acquiring it for themselves.
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>Era of Justinian and reconquests >Final war with Persia >Arab invasions and the both subsequent sieges of Constantinople. Second one in particular where Leo III saved Europe from Islam. >Basil II and the Rus, really the cultural exportation to the slavs as a whole >Crusades
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It has no grand unifying symbolism or aesthetic. Say Roman Empire to anyone and it conjures an image. Byzantium and shit does not.
What an utterly moronic statement. The Orthodox faith, its architecture, and culture are all synonymous with Eastern Rome. There's also the convoluted court politics and bureaucracy, though that's really part of the Dominate period too.
As it transpired, the Gallic tribes were much better at fighting the germanics than the latins were.
Segmentata worked well against massed ranks of pike users and hoplites due to it being able to deflect spear thrusts. It was less useful against axes.
That's the western half of the empire at least. The eastern half was getting btfo by goths (who used axes too) and persians (who used dirty tricks like tactics).
I was surprised to learn that in the actual legend they weren't raised by wolves, but rather were abandoned by their parents right after birth, found by a wolf who makes sure they survive for a few days, then are found by a random farmer who raises them.
If you don't buy into the idea the Trojans migrated to organize several Italian villages into Rome, than they were founded by furries raised by wolves yes
Depends on the quality of the weave. Also chainmail's main advantage over plate is that it's easy to repair and offers a great deal of movement and flexibility, allowing one to deal with the large shields and overuse of piercing weapons. Later combat in the classical era concentrated on slashing and hacking weapons, which warswords could do both.
Actually it was generally worn by most frontline troopers, it's just there wasn't a lot of them compared to their support troops. The loss of a legion was a crippling blow.
>scale vs plate
Not even close to the same league, it's not comparable, plate is the high end of armor.
It's not like there wasn't scale armor in the western world, the Byzantines had scale armor adapted from eastern sources.
what does that matter? Ancient Rome literally did not have a single unique invention, everything they did was copied from someone else. That doesn't reduce their greatness.
I'm no historian but what about the corvus they employed during the First Punic War?
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it was extremely effective but after the battle literally every single ship was sunk from a storm due to the ungainlyness of it and so they never used it again. about 80,000 dead as a result
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it was extremely effective but after the battle literally every single ship was sunk from a storm due to the ungainlyness of it and so they never used it again. about 80,000 dead as a result
The greekaboos will tell you it was designed by Archimedes
Lots of armor styles stuck around for a long time after their first conception. Chain and plate co-existed until WWI where it became abundantly clear that getting shot when wearing maile was worse than getting shot wearing nothing at all.
Imagine the absolute bullshit of being some peasant with a cheap sword and this butthole comes to raid your village. What can you even do other than try to throw rocks and hope for the best?
> Peasant >Sword
Lmao. At best the peasant would've had a wood axe or a pitchfork .
That being said, the peasant boi had a chance or two to win the encounter, especially if he took the knight by surprise. I'm east euro, and there were lots of tactics used by lowly infantry men to bring down western knights. They varied from crippling the horse, to lasso the knight and even to jump on him in order to make him lose his balance.
The two countries are right next to each other and the Mongols occupied large parts of modern day China.
It's no different to the late Roman armour in the OP looking Celtic. If the neighbouring country does stuff better, the logical move is to copy it.
he had good taste
chinese style looks like faded nonsense
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The chinese style at the time was colorful and bombastic. maybe some of the older styles which where in the provinces had faded but, like anywhere, if you could afford it you'd get new clothes/ ornaments
>strong for another 1000 years
questionable but it doesnt matter. Whether arab invasions, slavs, turks, w*st*rn*rs, or even becoming a vassal of the ottomans they kept going. Despotate of Morea wouldve continued further past 1460 too but theres something in the water there to backstab your blood and cause endless civil war
The one in the right is a gallic dude. Just look at the pattern in his pants, his shield with celtic motives, or his sword looking nothing like a spatha
The dude on the left is most likely an Italian, while the dude on the right most likely knows a handful of Latin phrases and primarily speaks a Germanic language.
Not necessarily. In the late empire there was an active effort to “barbarize” the army as the military and civilian populations grew more distinct. Legions would adopt manners of dress, special standards and equipment from people they viewed as fearsome, particularly Germanic tribes and would basically LARP as them to intimidate the civilian populace.
It’s a gradual evolution of reforms made by emperors like Diocletian and Constantine which basically introduced serfdom and hereditary employment.
The military took great pride in acting this way and adopting these traditions since it made them more fearsome against a potential civilian population they may have to quell and more respected by the barbarians they adopted them from, in addition to being capable of using their own tactics against them in addition to their own. The late Roman army valued flexibility and mobility and was still an extremely effective fighting force.
Even at the end of the empire the military had large numbers of Roman citizens, but they would be difficult to distinguish from foederati by their dress and arms.
Early romans were fighting foreign wars in the hopes of being rewarded and eventually becoming land owners.
Late roman soldiers were just defending their ancestors conquests.
>senate continues >Pope continues >roman culture continues
Please anon. Don’t be an idiot. Even on the argument the east is irrelevant the end of Western Rome is the gothic wars
Win what? By the time the Romans crossed the Adriatic, the most common hellenic armor was the linothorax, which is textile. Layers of felt stitched together, stone age tech.
Perhaps the most amusing account is the Roman expedition to Sparta, where they came expecting to be met with a warrior elite exceeding their own only to discover a bunch of old guys who explained to them that the helots mass-migrated out, collapsing their society overnight.
Win what? By the time the Romans crossed the Adriatic, the most common hellenic armor was the linothorax, which is textile. Layers of felt stitched together, stone age tech.
Yeah and that was before they started curbstomping everyone.
Wrong. Maniple lost every single time it took on the phalanx head-to-head. The only way they could beat it was when the phalanx literally pushed the Romans back so far that they ended up on uneven ground and thus could not maintain their formation.
Riiiiiiight that's how the Greeks conquered Italy and the rest of the Mediterranean. Oh wait.
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Name one (1) battle where the Greek phalanx was beaten by the Romans straight up and without mitigating factors
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Choosing your terrain is not a "mitigating factor" dumbass it's tactics 101. The point of the maniple was to have greater mobility which the phalanx completely lacked.
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"choosing your terrain" isn't the same as getting fricked so hard on the battlefield that your entire line gets pushed back so far that you are literally in a different biome
Wrong. Maniple lost every single time it took on the phalanx head-to-head. The only way they could beat it was when the phalanx literally pushed the Romans back so far that they ended up on uneven ground and thus could not maintain their formation.
Before Rome developed the maniple they used a hoplite phalanx copied from the greeks.
Yes, in the earliest days of the Roman Kingdom, they did indeed resemble their Greek contemporaries. But they abandoned phalangite warfare 200 years before they came to Greece itself. Meanwhile Greeks were still doing the same thing, failing to evolve, and so were easily defeated.
Name one (1) battle where the Greek phalanx was beaten by the Romans straight up and without mitigating factors
Wrong. Maniple lost every single time it took on the phalanx head-to-head. The only way they could beat it was when the phalanx literally pushed the Romans back so far that they ended up on uneven ground and thus could not maintain their formation.
>the Romans didn't beat us, the ground did!
lol
"choosing your terrain" isn't the same as getting fricked so hard on the battlefield that your entire line gets pushed back so far that you are literally in a different biome
>they didn't win!!! we simply tripped on the ground until we lost!
lmao.
tbh phalanx was a really great tactic even though it's a one trick pony. The Swiss reinvented it into pike square and it continue to dominate until around the the 17th century.
There really isn't as much of a divide between "late Roman" and "early medieval" as people tend to think.
Boethius thought that the end of the Roman Empire was a "two more weeks, then Rome will come back dude" type deal, no one really thought of it as being "done" until it was like a hundred years later and it was fricking DONE.
There’s literally no divide. The Renaissance was the end of the medieval period, and it was sparked when there was a flood of Roman (Greek) refugees to Italy when Constantinople fell, bringing with them many treasures and texts from antiquity.
Rome survived throughout the ENTIRE medieval period.
I understand a backlash of the byzantineboos and autistic pointing out that AKSHUALLY IT WAS ROMAN!! but in most liberal and late version the end of Roman empire happens at Mantzikert - in the aftermath of this battle and as Komnenoi took over the state lost most of its institutions that made it different from the post-barbarian states.
They turned its intricate administrative system into yet another oligarchic quasi-feudal shithole, good in short term but destructive over the time.
IMHO the end of antiquity and rome proper is around the reign of Justinian, it was it's swan song and Justinian's plague destroyed the urbanised society of anatolia and greece which traced continuity back to hellenistic period. Similarly how golden age of Rome has ended with the antonine plague.
Justinian, Heraclius, First and Second Arab sieges of Constantinople, Nicephorus Phokas, Basil II the Bulgar-Slayer, the Christianization of the Slavs, the Crusades (especially the First and the Fourth) Alexios Komnenos and his progeny. Any and all of these topics could make a great film.
Those pictures always such bullshit. They're showing someone in full plate and like lmao this is how soldiers in 15th century looked like even though it was just a noble officer who was in a command and didn't do any fighting actually. You can fricking see that one has a sword and other has javelin or whatever the frick. Those are different kind of troops and were decked out differently for their purpose.
No they don't. Only officers in battle probably just pilots because of how much time and effort it takes you get officer rank. Even lowest officer rank is in command of whole platoon or some shit. If he somehow ends up fighting or getting killed he's just shit at his job.
No roman soldiers and NCOs were the roman middle class and able to afford the uniform gear. We still have quartermaster paperwork from egypt that shows this.The limiting issue is we can't extrapolate much militarily from the paperwork as Egypt was managed in a semi autonomous fashion and the smaller details of the bureaucracy are unique to egypt's political system.
That "javelin" is a pilum and was standard for infantry. It was thrown pre charge before the gladius was used. Dipshit.
These two soldiers are comparable. The left soldier is wearing segmentata armor which was abandoned in favor of chainmail as the empire progressed.
Just guessing:
1. Imperial guard, no way could every scrub legionnaire afford that full kit
2. Wasn't this around the time they started having more barbarian (gaul) imperial guards, because as mercs they were more trust-able?
>ummm akshually modern academic research shows that armortata segmentata was only used during triumphs and sacrifices to Mars because the tin mines of Dumnoniana Inferiora weren't sufficiently productive so until the reign of Commodus II troops in Transcisalpine Meridional Gaul were equipped with pseudo-armora mudensis made of brown clay so this fictional depiction is fanciful at best
filling your brain with such nonsense is even worse than filling it with slop, at least slop enjoyers sound like they might be fun to have around
Segmentata was worse. It was cheap mass produced crap. Chain mail is more effective and pretty much impervious to arrows hence not needing the older heavier shield. It takes much more man hours to produce. The production of lotr couldn't make enough to use it in the movies and that's why you see plate on everyone..
Right is a first century BC Gaulish warrior, not a late Roman legionary. Also the Romans literally copied their armour and weapons. Even during the height of the imperial era, the best weapons and armour in the empire weren't being produced in Italy, they were being made by Celtic smiths in Noricum and Spain.
The right is better armor since the mail shirt covers more of the body and doesn't have massive gaps.And the Lorica Hamata was used before the Lorica Sementata and was used more even during the short time period the LS was actually used.
Do Romeaboos like the identical auto-generated mob character look because they're NPCs?
You were allowed to have personalized shields
>centurion approaches you about your shield again
Do you think you're a Praetorian, miles Quintus? Go scratch that shit off or you're eating barley for the rest of the campaign.
For me? It’s the Italo-Norman helm
Their shields were all personalized, jackass.
budget cuts
Lorica segmentata was never common, are you all historylets? Hamata was used throughout the entire history of Rome from early republic and late empire but segmentata was always a meme, they were never able to produce enough of it to equip more than a couple legions AT MOST and even that's probably pushing it. It initially was assumed to be common because of paintings and statues but the evidence we've been able to recover of the actual armor is so scarce and records of their mass use basically nonexistent that it's now widely understood they were basically ceremonial.
They would have parades in them because they looked cool but in terms of what they actual legions wore on the far corners of the empire, very few were equipped with actual segmentata armor. Would've thought Cinemaphile of all boards would keep up with this shit, you're supposed to be the smartest minds this site has to offer.
>Cinemaphile
>you're supposed to be the smartest minds this site has to offer
What. This is the fricking stupidest board on Cinemaphile. Mods don't even clean up ironic shitposting here because it's accepted as "board culture". Try to make any of the meme threads that get spammed here daily anywhere else and jannies will clean them up within minutes.
>This is the fricking stupidest board on Cinemaphile.
That's Cinemaphile and you should go back.
Cinemaphile mods delete Pepes and wojacks on sight so no
>fricking stupidest board on Cinemaphile
Have you ever been on Cinemaphile before? 99% of Cinemaphile is Einstein compared to those morons.
Cinemaphile is the most moronic board, easily. I would know because I'm a /hoc/ poster.
Wasn't on there often, mostly for soccer world cups.
It's definitely either Cinemaphile or /vt/. Those two boards is just something else entirely especially /vt/ because it's more active.
moronation =/= austism
Believe it or not, Cinemaphile is 10x more moronic and historically illiterate than Cinemaphile. I hate that fricking board and everyone that lurks it.
Dude major well-researched media like The Gladiator and Rome Total War show legions wearing the segmentata. Are you so contrarian that you must invent a conspiracy theory about how they're actually wrong despite consulting subject matter experts? And that you, a random internet schizo, has figured out the great swindle of... making the Romans look cool? I don't get what you'd think their motivation might be. You're really putting the western mental health epidemic on display here.
This isn't even controversial or schizo, this is literally what archaeologists and historians now know, you can look it up if you don't believe me.
Lorica hamata has always been more common throughout the empire while segmentata enjoyed a very brief window of use and never anywhere near as widely as hamata. Not even close.
>segmentata enjoyed a very brief window of use
which happened to be the period when Jesus lived, so I think thats part of why its so commonly used. Also it has a unique appearance compared to chainmail which makes it more iconic.
>this is literally what archaeologists and historians now know
Well they also say that black people built Britain so frick 'em
The BBC isn't a historical reference.
The media will pick and choose any kind of fraudulent evidence backed by a sellout to suit their agenda.
All work in the fields of humanities and archelogy after the 20th century is bonkers and non valid.
The geniuses of 20th century figured everhting out and now non squitter ~~*academics*~~ go "uhmmm ackshually" to chase clout.
No Dinosaurs did not have feathers and Roman legionairs looked cool, frick you.
He's posting on the same level as the "swords were never used in battle" guys
Yes I bet that even though swords were much more expensive to make than spears, you'd just equip tons of dudes with swords for no reason at all
>i want this thing to be real so i shall will it into existence
Facts don't care about your feelings.
>Facts don't care about your feelings.
Nor yours
The difference is I have the facts and you only have feelings.
>"Video games never exaggerate history to sell games"
Total War gets away with so much shit because games like the Stronghold series were their original competitors. If you didn't say there were half man half pig hybrids then your game was "historically accurate". Now Total War is grandfathered in.
>Total War
>Historically credible
Anon... they research their game but still include pop culture stuff because it's popular. Rome is particulary egregious because they anachronisticaly put bronze age egypt because it's more popular for example.
>rome total war
>not accurate
Are you trying to tell me that multiple 200 strong units of Gladiators were not fielded in battle by the Roman Army? say it isn't so...
Rome deploying Gladiator in battle is like US Army deploying MMA fighter or Olympic shooter. Pop culture stuff about Roman and Vikings are just so silly.
MMA FIGHTERS VS TALIBAN LETS GOOOOOOOOO
It did actually happen on multiple occasions. Though it reflected poorly on those fielding them, and the gladiators didn’t give a good accounting of themselves.
Edge case like that presented as if it's a somewhat regular things is why blacks got inserted into all kind of historical show.
Gladiators were pretty good at single combat and they used them as instructors for that purpose. But obviously if you try and make a bunch of guys who never fought in formations fight in formations it's not gonna end well. Marius, for example, only did it because these were the only trained fighters he had access to inside Rome when it was besieged by Sulla.
What about double daggers ninja arcani?
Rome total war is absolutely kino, discovering the hidden amazon settlement (and learning the hard way how not to fight chariot) for the first time was great.
Alarming that so many people were stupid enough to take this post seriously.
Threads like these attract autistic posters
you were supposed to be the smartest minds this site has to offer...
>Would've thought Cinemaphile of all boards would keep up with this shit, you're supposed to be the smartest minds this site has to offer.
>Would've thought Cinemaphile of all boards would keep up with this shit, you're supposed to be the smartest minds this site has to offer.
Cinemaphile is just the dedicated pedophile board, i don't know what you were expecting
>pilum bends on impact
this has been debunked on several occasions
>Would've thought Cinemaphile of all boards would keep up with this shit, you're supposed to be the smartest minds this site has to offer.
Lol? Lmao? The smartest are Cinemaphile, Cinemaphile, /misc/ and Cinemaphile. MAYBE even Cinemaphile and /x/, but not fricking teevee of all places. It's a consoomer board like Cinemaphile
Also old Cinemaphile would be considered one of the smartest boards but now it's like a parody of itself
Cinemaphile was never good
True, but it’s fallen to new lows. Place is a frickin’ mess.
>The smartest
>/pol/
The Great Autism War of 2014 utterly destroyed it before it had even reached its max potential, and it's only got worse with every passing year
I'm still willing to bet that poltards have a higher IQ than Cinemaphile, Cinemaphile and Cinemaphile combined
/misc/ is like 80% non-Americans/-Europeans.
>anyone who isn't American can't be smart
I like how you left out the "-Europeans" part, Ahmed
Cinemaphile has been invaded by poltards and dropped the IQ significantly. All you idiots do is b***h about israelites, blacks, and vax conspiracies in every fricking thread.
Just keep it in pol homosexuals.
You’ve just listed Blu/pol/
/misc/ is by far the dumbest board on the site.
*Netflix adaptation
The dude on the left is most likely an Italian, while the dude on the right most likely knows a handful of Latin phrases and primarily speaks a Germanic language.
No, he is Latin, not an Italian. Latinos are wolves; Italians are like pug mutts.
>while the dude on the right most likely knows a handful of Latin phrases and primarily speaks a Germanic language.
Literally me.
i used to play heroscape and they had little miniatures that looked identical to the dude on the left
it all served a purpose. segmentata stopped being useful when Persia became serious problem again. The army started to wear white and much lighting armour because predominantly in warmer climate in season. proof is in dura europos.
anyway late Roman is cool. especially the new formed horseguard who were insanely trained to be experts in pretty much everything especially horse archery
Late rome gets too much shit. It was an insanely kino period, just like everything that came before it.
it was kino until basil II. after that it just got depressing since they get rekt almost every turn
>I only like when they were winning
telling you right now this gay as frick. Imagine not liking the idea of a group of people/city state refusing to die for hundreds of years.
For a second I thought the left guy had some kind of laser gun lmao
wtf is it? looks like a futuristic flamethrower
Pretty much. I think it is based on one reference so it could be made up. Still looks cool and whoever used one was likely a maniac ready to die at any moment
Artist's rendition of a handheld greek fire flamethrower. I'm pretty sure greek fire was only mounted on ships and maybe defensive structures, but I'm pretty sure it wasn't as portable as that picture
Btw greek fire is supposedly some sort of wünderwaffe napalm mix that would remain far superior to any modern napalm mix, but the recipe was super sekrit and died out with both it's inventor and the burning of the formula decadea later to prevent the invading army from acquiring it for themselves.
>WELL CONGRATULATIONS YOU GOT YOURSELF CAUGHT
Damn that looks insanely cool
>Imagine not liking the idea of a group of people/city state refusing to die for hundreds of years.
this is unironically why i like israel
The frick is a Thunderwarrior doing on the left?
Flamethrower???
Komnenian period was kino as
>Era of Justinian and reconquests
>Final war with Persia
>Arab invasions and the both subsequent sieges of Constantinople. Second one in particular where Leo III saved Europe from Islam.
>Basil II and the Rus, really the cultural exportation to the slavs as a whole
>Crusades
What an utterly moronic statement. The Orthodox faith, its architecture, and culture are all synonymous with Eastern Rome. There's also the convoluted court politics and bureaucracy, though that's really part of the Dominate period too.
They were still cool up until the Normans took Sicily and effortlessly mogged the entire mediterranean for a century
I can still hear it bros...
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As it transpired, the Gallic tribes were much better at fighting the germanics than the latins were.
Segmentata worked well against massed ranks of pike users and hoplites due to it being able to deflect spear thrusts. It was less useful against axes.
That's the western half of the empire at least. The eastern half was getting btfo by goths (who used axes too) and persians (who used dirty tricks like tactics).
isn't the right similar to how the celts dressed?
The sword is literally the warsword/broadsword design of the celts and the forerunner to the knight's longsword formulated by the Franks yes.
It's because of the germanic influence
Wrong, it got better
The romans were furries?
they had a massive statue of a wolf breastfeeding the city's founders in the senate
Incorrect, Romulus and Remus were a later addition during the Renaissance.
Didn't realize polybius was a Renaissance writer
we could stock a library with the things you are ignorant of.
Polybius was writing about them being nurses by wolves while it was still a republic where the hell are you getting the Renaissance shit from?
Cynoscephalae in 197 bc
Pydna in 168
wrong again!
Romulus and Remus were added to the statue of the wolf in the Renaissance. Do your history reps
Your post is embarrassing.
The statue dumbass. They were added to the statue.
>raised by wolves
what a kino origin story
I was surprised to learn that in the actual legend they weren't raised by wolves, but rather were abandoned by their parents right after birth, found by a wolf who makes sure they survive for a few days, then are found by a random farmer who raises them.
>raised by...a farmer
embrace farmer supremacy
based
serfs rise up!
plebs rise up!
wed all be plebs if we were in rome anyway
The various Turkic ethnic groups are all descended from a farmer pulling a HMOFA moment on a wolf.
If you don't buy into the idea the Trojans migrated to organize several Italian villages into Rome, than they were founded by furries raised by wolves yes
>The romans were furries?
yes
I find it hard to believe that very many soldiers were actually wearing segmentata. It looks like it would have been very expensuve to make.
>control the land were tin is found
>have slaves
not too expensive
the land were tin is found
Anon...
surely cheaper than chainmail though
Depends on the quality of the weave. Also chainmail's main advantage over plate is that it's easy to repair and offers a great deal of movement and flexibility, allowing one to deal with the large shields and overuse of piercing weapons. Later combat in the classical era concentrated on slashing and hacking weapons, which warswords could do both.
Actually it was generally worn by most frontline troopers, it's just there wasn't a lot of them compared to their support troops. The loss of a legion was a crippling blow.
No actual Roman historian does. Only people who take video game and movie representations at face value could ever think that.
>mogs all helmet aesthetics for a thousand years
How did the Greeks get away with this?
late byzantine headwear was kino
As a fellow helmet autist I agree. This design mogs the ever loving shit out of everything until possibly the barbute mid 14th century
no boar no buy
T
For me, the GOAT is the German sallet
>increased protection for the back of the head
man, they must have run away a lot, turned their backs away from the enemy? like cowards.
Enjoy the rain and sun on your neck, idiot.
ok i see now
sry im tarded
It's to deflect projectiles falling from above away from the torso.
> It's to deflect projectiles falling from above away from the torso.
Your mom sounds like a prostitute
It's also shaped like that so they don't have to wear aventail.
>not looking around on the battlefield
you wouldn't have made it my dude
Peak Pajeet post, dilate basterd b***h.
It’s obviously there to protect the wearers mullet you morons
true enough...
such kino as this must be shod in iron
for me, it's the houndskull bascinet
also pictured how I imagine the typical wearer looks like
the ancient greeks literally mog all other people ever in every way. they were literally the peak of humanity
Excessive amounts of gay sex
When it comes to gay sex there is no such thing as excessive.
for me it's boeotian
The Roman’s rediscovered lost Greek stuff like this and reintroduced the designs in the later Roman periods I believe.
The concept of “lost knowledge” is pretty neat.
>chinese mogs wh*toid
any films like this?
>scale vs plate
Not even close to the same league, it's not comparable, plate is the high end of armor.
It's not like there wasn't scale armor in the western world, the Byzantines had scale armor adapted from eastern sources.
>that
>chinese
*laughs in central asian*
The Chinese used lamellar armor like that for their cavalrymen.
Adopted from one of the millions of Eurasian tribes that raped them yeah
what does that matter? Ancient Rome literally did not have a single unique invention, everything they did was copied from someone else. That doesn't reduce their greatness.
Chang seething over here lads
The horsemen are in your walls
Bet you don't even know the difference between the Roman Kingdom and the Roman Republic.
I'm no historian but what about the corvus they employed during the First Punic War?
it was extremely effective but after the battle literally every single ship was sunk from a storm due to the ungainlyness of it and so they never used it again. about 80,000 dead as a result
The greekaboos will tell you it was designed by Archimedes
They did have their own unique innovations but most of them aren't flashy or that useful.
Yeah, who gives a shit about aqueducts
The "roman style" arched aqueducts were invented by the greeeks centuries earlier.
I like both designs, though the western soldier needs a more aesthetic helmet
cool helmet. looks miserably warm though
> Not even embossed or gilded.
homie pls.
would he be a regular enemy or a boss in dynasty warriors?
armadillo lookin ahh
only 900 years ago? this shit almost look like it came from the bronze age especially the helmet
Lots of armor styles stuck around for a long time after their first conception. Chain and plate co-existed until WWI where it became abundantly clear that getting shot when wearing maile was worse than getting shot wearing nothing at all.
To be fair, chainmail makes a lotta sense when you're highly likely to fight other cavalry in sabre fights
It's still used by some police forces against men using knives or sharp weapons.
Love these.
Hoplite is so fricking kino.
Can Indians not just do ONE google translate before making moronic captions?
looks like a khergit unit evolving from tribesman to elite infantry/cavalry
Imagine the absolute bullshit of being some peasant with a cheap sword and this butthole comes to raid your village. What can you even do other than try to throw rocks and hope for the best?
Throw a bucket of water on him and watch him turn completely immobile
> Peasant
>Sword
Lmao. At best the peasant would've had a wood axe or a pitchfork .
That being said, the peasant boi had a chance or two to win the encounter, especially if he took the knight by surprise. I'm east euro, and there were lots of tactics used by lowly infantry men to bring down western knights. They varied from crippling the horse, to lasso the knight and even to jump on him in order to make him lose his balance.
I want to see them team up
the chinese looks mongol
Where do you think the mongols got it from
why are you assuming the chinese didnt steal it?
The two countries are right next to each other and the Mongols occupied large parts of modern day China.
It's no different to the late Roman armour in the OP looking Celtic. If the neighbouring country does stuff better, the logical move is to copy it.
Did you know that there are far more mongols living in China than in Mongolia?
Inner Mongolia is still Mongolia, just that PRC controls it.
Fun fact, Kuomintang lays claim to Outer Mongolia.
Taiwan still claims so much, parts of Russia, Japan, India and Pakistan
You make it sound like they claim the whole Punjab and Kiusiu.
>parts of
>rides up
>herrrrr stupid wide eye herrr herr herrr
>rides off
what do?
call him a heigui
This was painted by an Italian.
your point?
He clearly felt his own painters were inadequate in capturing his "greatness".
chinese do not feel.
he had good taste
chinese style looks like faded nonsense
The chinese style at the time was colorful and bombastic. maybe some of the older styles which where in the provinces had faded but, like anywhere, if you could afford it you'd get new clothes/ ornaments
why does the face look like it was poorly shopped in
The chinese armor doesn't have gloves?
Why would they need it when their hands grow back?
are you telling me that the chinamen have regenerative properties?
>pagan rome vs chr*stian rome
>continues to go strong in the east for another 1000 years
>strong for another 1000 years
questionable but it doesnt matter. Whether arab invasions, slavs, turks, w*st*rn*rs, or even becoming a vassal of the ottomans they kept going. Despotate of Morea wouldve continued further past 1460 too but theres something in the water there to backstab your blood and cause endless civil war
The one in the right is a gallic dude. Just look at the pattern in his pants, his shield with celtic motives, or his sword looking nothing like a spatha
Late Rome was AESTHETIC as frick
Not necessarily. In the late empire there was an active effort to “barbarize” the army as the military and civilian populations grew more distinct. Legions would adopt manners of dress, special standards and equipment from people they viewed as fearsome, particularly Germanic tribes and would basically LARP as them to intimidate the civilian populace.
It’s a gradual evolution of reforms made by emperors like Diocletian and Constantine which basically introduced serfdom and hereditary employment.
The military took great pride in acting this way and adopting these traditions since it made them more fearsome against a potential civilian population they may have to quell and more respected by the barbarians they adopted them from, in addition to being capable of using their own tactics against them in addition to their own. The late Roman army valued flexibility and mobility and was still an extremely effective fighting force.
Even at the end of the empire the military had large numbers of Roman citizens, but they would be difficult to distinguish from foederati by their dress and arms.
>smaller shields with less coverage
for what purpose?
they changed tactics.
If earlier Romans had seen how later Romans fought in battle they'd consider it un-Roman and an insult to honour
doubtful, Romans changed tactics all the time.
I like late roman aesthetic, it's kino.
Early romans were fighting foreign wars in the hopes of being rewarded and eventually becoming land owners.
Late roman soldiers were just defending their ancestors conquests.
its "late period" for a good reason
Proper Rome fell in 476, whatever was left in the east does not count and you know it
>senate continues
>Pope continues
>roman culture continues
Please anon. Don’t be an idiot. Even on the argument the east is irrelevant the end of Western Rome is the gothic wars
At least they stopped wearing miniskirts
that armor on the left was brittle and thin, the chainmain was unironically more protective and let the body breathe
greeks win
Win what? By the time the Romans crossed the Adriatic, the most common hellenic armor was the linothorax, which is textile. Layers of felt stitched together, stone age tech.
Perhaps the most amusing account is the Roman expedition to Sparta, where they came expecting to be met with a warrior elite exceeding their own only to discover a bunch of old guys who explained to them that the helots mass-migrated out, collapsing their society overnight.
They didn't though.
Rome copied them in every way they could.
Yeah not with military tactics. The maniple > the phalanx.
Before Rome developed the maniple they used a hoplite phalanx copied from the greeks.
Yeah and that was before they started curbstomping everyone.
Riiiiiiight that's how the Greeks conquered Italy and the rest of the Mediterranean. Oh wait.
Name one (1) battle where the Greek phalanx was beaten by the Romans straight up and without mitigating factors
Choosing your terrain is not a "mitigating factor" dumbass it's tactics 101. The point of the maniple was to have greater mobility which the phalanx completely lacked.
"choosing your terrain" isn't the same as getting fricked so hard on the battlefield that your entire line gets pushed back so far that you are literally in a different biome
the greeks conquered the known world
Wrong. Maniple lost every single time it took on the phalanx head-to-head. The only way they could beat it was when the phalanx literally pushed the Romans back so far that they ended up on uneven ground and thus could not maintain their formation.
Then why was greece conquered faster than Poland in 1939?
Never tell a Roman to take his meds
Yes, in the earliest days of the Roman Kingdom, they did indeed resemble their Greek contemporaries. But they abandoned phalangite warfare 200 years before they came to Greece itself. Meanwhile Greeks were still doing the same thing, failing to evolve, and so were easily defeated.
>the Romans didn't beat us, the ground did!
lol
>they didn't win!!! we simply tripped on the ground until we lost!
lmao.
cope and mald more cato. phalanx was and always will be invincible
If only pic related didn't ally with the r*mans. ugh...
if it didn't you'd be speaking greek!
tbh phalanx was a really great tactic even though it's a one trick pony. The Swiss reinvented it into pike square and it continue to dominate until around the the 17th century.
>greeks
>win
>shrinkflation existed even in ancient history
lole
lmao
wtf they became hipsters?
the main issue was that they started to racemix with gross barbarians
goth gf
I actually prefer the look of late empire soldiers after playing Total War Attila https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RHDsEiA1IMs
why do you have so many chocolate men in your army
Abyssinian mercenaries.
*engineers, doctors and lawyers
because I was playing a chocolate faction in that campaign
oh i see
I didn't know sweden was in this game.
My king did marry a Goth
>climate refugee gets a big tiddy goth gf
There really isn't as much of a divide between "late Roman" and "early medieval" as people tend to think.
Boethius thought that the end of the Roman Empire was a "two more weeks, then Rome will come back dude" type deal, no one really thought of it as being "done" until it was like a hundred years later and it was fricking DONE.
There’s literally no divide. The Renaissance was the end of the medieval period, and it was sparked when there was a flood of Roman (Greek) refugees to Italy when Constantinople fell, bringing with them many treasures and texts from antiquity.
Rome survived throughout the ENTIRE medieval period.
I understand a backlash of the byzantineboos and autistic pointing out that AKSHUALLY IT WAS ROMAN!! but in most liberal and late version the end of Roman empire happens at Mantzikert - in the aftermath of this battle and as Komnenoi took over the state lost most of its institutions that made it different from the post-barbarian states.
They turned its intricate administrative system into yet another oligarchic quasi-feudal shithole, good in short term but destructive over the time.
IMHO the end of antiquity and rome proper is around the reign of Justinian, it was it's swan song and Justinian's plague destroyed the urbanised society of anatolia and greece which traced continuity back to hellenistic period. Similarly how golden age of Rome has ended with the antonine plague.
Interesting, I've always mentally stretched antiquity to the rule of Heraclius and the Arab invasion
Need ERE kino.
why is it so under-represented in movies? HRE influence in Hollywood?
Tell me one interesting thing Byzantium actually did. You legitimately can't.
They briefly reconquered Italy. That was kinda cool.
>Belisarius reconquests
>sacking Persian capitals over and over
>the final siege of Constantinople is KINO
Greek fire, fighting the first Muslim horde and the second Muslim horde, keeping all the important Greek and biblical texts handy,
Justinian, Heraclius, First and Second Arab sieges of Constantinople, Nicephorus Phokas, Basil II the Bulgar-Slayer, the Christianization of the Slavs, the Crusades (especially the First and the Fourth) Alexios Komnenos and his progeny. Any and all of these topics could make a great film.
The first recorded hooligan riot in recorded history. This is pretty cool.
It has no grand unifying symbolism or aesthetic. Say Roman Empire to anyone and it conjures an image. Byzantium and shit does not.
Need diadochi kino
We'll get the Nika Riots just so Theodora can have her girl boss moments, the rest will just be Secret History bullshit
Those pictures always such bullshit. They're showing someone in full plate and like lmao this is how soldiers in 15th century looked like even though it was just a noble officer who was in a command and didn't do any fighting actually. You can fricking see that one has a sword and other has javelin or whatever the frick. Those are different kind of troops and were decked out differently for their purpose.
Nobles in the 1400s and officers today do fight and were/are often killed.
No they don't. Only officers in battle probably just pilots because of how much time and effort it takes you get officer rank. Even lowest officer rank is in command of whole platoon or some shit. If he somehow ends up fighting or getting killed he's just shit at his job.
No roman soldiers and NCOs were the roman middle class and able to afford the uniform gear. We still have quartermaster paperwork from egypt that shows this.The limiting issue is we can't extrapolate much militarily from the paperwork as Egypt was managed in a semi autonomous fashion and the smaller details of the bureaucracy are unique to egypt's political system.
That "javelin" is a pilum and was standard for infantry. It was thrown pre charge before the gladius was used. Dipshit.
These two soldiers are comparable. The left soldier is wearing segmentata armor which was abandoned in favor of chainmail as the empire progressed.
why were classical weapons so kino?
YOOOOoooooo
>GONGGGGGGGGGGGG
>sorry horse I spent all of my ricebux on my own armour but here have these strands oF FRICKING CLOTH for protectoin
Japanese horse are just that small and weak to wear a heavy barding.
Ah shit the weebs found our kino armour thread, it's over.
it's basically just a drafted default Celt on the right lmao
When's the next Civ game?
And the British got to frick all of them. Also it annoys be that it generated the pyramids like that
rolling
Just guessing:
1. Imperial guard, no way could every scrub legionnaire afford that full kit
2. Wasn't this around the time they started having more barbarian (gaul) imperial guards, because as mercs they were more trust-able?
the last time I played rome war I sent 2,000 incendiary pigs into pikemen and every single pig was killed. every last one.
>Nothing over chain mail
That's a modern invention, lile quivers and "ball and chain".
i'll show you my ball and chain
Behold! The most aesthetic helmet ever made!
Julii>
>>>>>
Rome thread?
Zhang wildin out
>ummm akshually modern academic research shows that armortata segmentata was only used during triumphs and sacrifices to Mars because the tin mines of Dumnoniana Inferiora weren't sufficiently productive so until the reign of Commodus II troops in Transcisalpine Meridional Gaul were equipped with pseudo-armora mudensis made of brown clay so this fictional depiction is fanciful at best
filling your brain with such nonsense is even worse than filling it with slop, at least slop enjoyers sound like they might be fun to have around
We had this thread on Cinemaphile before.
You do realize we have a board for history shit, right?
Yes I'm posting in /gsg/ right now. We're talking about the Eastern Roman Empire currently.
Put a Greek in it, and make it lame
Greeks > romano-etrusco-gaullic mutts
RES PUBLICA > boot licking
*licks the boots of senators instead*
Rip Marsanon
i miss grandi
I don't care if the visored barbute is not historical. It just proves we can design shit better than people 600 years ago.
>trousers
During the late Empire the Roman army embraced diversity, anon.
Why did the artist draw the guy on the right pointing the sword into the ground…
>still no diadochi kino
>Rome continually gets movies
Who is your preferred successor to Alexander
Seleucos followed by Demetrius Poliorcetes
these were worn at the same time. 700 years of history were compressed
The armor sure, but the guy in trousers with a spatha wasn't fighting side-by-side with a fricking Marian legionary.
yes he was
right is probably more effective
Now post early Roman cavalryman compared to late Roman cavalryman. That's where the money went.
>segmentata
We eating good, falx bros.
Segmentata was worse. It was cheap mass produced crap. Chain mail is more effective and pretty much impervious to arrows hence not needing the older heavier shield. It takes much more man hours to produce. The production of lotr couldn't make enough to use it in the movies and that's why you see plate on everyone..
To me it's Aetivs and Maiorianvs
plated mail is the most kino armor
very sneedercore
Right is a first century BC Gaulish warrior, not a late Roman legionary. Also the Romans literally copied their armour and weapons. Even during the height of the imperial era, the best weapons and armour in the empire weren't being produced in Italy, they were being made by Celtic smiths in Noricum and Spain.
is there any real pike-and-shot kino? Only thing I know about is Alatriste
>Erdtree Knight Cuirass
>Days without thinking about the Roman Empire
The right is better armor since the mail shirt covers more of the body and doesn't have massive gaps.And the Lorica Hamata was used before the Lorica Sementata and was used more even during the short time period the LS was actually used.