I'm pretty sure this is the original version of Harley Quinn also is this the same continuity Harley Quinn from the anime movie Batman and Harley Quinn?
That's because DC has totally fricked up Harley Quinn over the years. I get they had to do something different with her, but it just comes off as scatter brained and a cheap knock off of Dead Pool. Her animated serious version is the best she has ever been. You really care for her, and want her to change for the best.
My gripe with Harley Quinn is they have a really great back story for her, she's popular, so they wanna make some more/new material about her where she's just doing her own thing and.. They still write her as just this vapid, air-headed, stupid, psychotic, completely emotionally stunted, Hot Topic, Gaia Online, c**t?
Which, I'm fine with if she's like that with the Joker. The Joker SHOULD be a bad influence on Harley and absolutely the reason she behaves the way she does when she's around this 36 year old terrorist in clown make-up. Like, that's very indicative of how a woman can be psychotically influenced, dragged around, made co-dependent, etc.. Because of their awful taste in men.
I'd really like to see her be her own character for once. I know cape-canon is always changing, but my vague impression of her was she's: an Olympic level gymnast, has a 'background' in psychology, but mostly buffered her grades via fricking and emotionally manipulating her professors (which, I mean, is probably just as good- it's psychology), and then the Joker dunked her in the same Vat he fell into.. Which made her more durable/stronger/smarter? Like a low-grade meta-human boost?
You are assuming that Harley has to be a good girl before the Joker influences her, but she was probably on her way to use her degree to grift people before she met the Joker. I don't think there is any continuity where she goes into Arkham hoping to selflessly help the patients. She goes there with the aim of publishing a book about the Joker in order to become famous.
She is obviously not as evil without the Joker, but she was at the very least early-Catwoman levels of evil on her own.
Harley and the Joker's strength are honestly mostly a setting issue. The Joker can be just a normal guy or powered up by some kind of evil cosmic force that inhabits Gotham and seems to keep it shitty depending on the writer. I believe the current canon is that Harley gets her superstrength from some superserum Ivy gives her.
Wow! Harley really put Bruce in his place here haha! I mean really how has no one guessed it yet? These superhero power fantasies are so childish and unrealistic fr!
Now the fantasy of Harley somehow being both an airheaded bimbo and a genius therapist? That's VERY mature and realistic. And if you disagree you're a bigot because you're against female empowerment in comics!
Most people don't see Bruce Wayne as Batman being a legitimate Theory like Lex Luthor not recognizing Superman even though he personally known Superman's public identity is because the massive contrast between who you see in the public and he will identity Batman is a dark grumpy man who lives in the saddles Bruce Wayne is a high life celebrity who is known to be surrounded by beautiful woman. if they didn't live in two different towns people probably were mistake Bruce Wayne for Superman more often than they think he's Batman.
I figured the last little bit was a joke but being an airhead yet smarter at the same time you're talking to someone with learning difficulties and Asperger's. Despite being on legal disability I can still Amaze my family with how much I can know about stuff and remember certain things.
>Now the fantasy of Harley somehow being both an airheaded bimbo and a genius therapist? That's VERY mature and realistic.
I know you're being sarcastic, but using that dichotomy for comedy should be a core aspect of Harley's character.
I know this is going to go over your head but people that put in work to studying one thing also can have hobbies and interests in something else that the put energy in as well. So her being a Harlequin themed character and digging for harlequin themed things isn't out there. Since that's less work than for someone going through medschool while having a boner for 1300's Iberian warfare.
I dunno if we're gonna do another BTAS thread so I'll ask here.
They ever explain Catwoman having, like, face paint or something in her redesign?
Is it even supposed to be face paint or just a stylistic choice that's better to not over think?
Face paint like Michelle Pfeiffer in 92(also not shown in the movie but it was used to make her look unnaturally pale in specific scenes and promo pics)
>Now the fantasy of Harley somehow being both an airheaded bimbo and a genius therapist?
In fact, Harley doesn't deserve her college degree, she slept with all her professors, why do you think she joined the Joker so quickly?
Actually I think it's not canon officially if she sleeps with her professors or is legitimate I think it's one of those things again can be described as depending on the author . Look it up on TV tropes.
Yes in that comic book she Swept Away in to get in a higher Gray but in many continuities it's really depends on who's right in the story at the moment look at the Harley Quinn cartoon sea monster figure out Bruce Wayne is Batman with her legitimate psychiatric skills.
psychiatric skills don't even exist. It's a sham field that teaches you nothing except to give made-up names to umbrella groupings of character traits. The entire field of psychology/psychiatry/sociology is a fraud. More than 90% of all studies are not reproducible.
And all the famous experiments you ever heard of (Stanford Prison Experiment, The Milgram Experiment, Bobo Doll Experiment) were all proven to be fake.
The only "skill" Harley has is to say "hmmm Batman didn't look me in the eye and he isn't very sociable and he is emotionally unstable so I say he must be autistic and have borderline personality disorder. Yes those traits of his are obvious to everyone but I gave them a smart-sounding name based on my opinion. Isn't my genius such an important contribution to this team?"
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You do know flaws and being fake experiments and Faith are entirely different things?And any scientific investigation or industry can give you bad evidence if the underlying study was made for clearly biased purpose in its agenda like the so-called 51% of trans people try to commit suicide being shouted by the anti-trans community because of an online survey which was not by any means up to any scientific standards in the psychiatric fields. How much those fields have helped law enforcement alone should tell you they are entirely legitimate in diagnosing people such as narcissists and Psychopaths. Are you just upset that they don't tell you gay people are evil and long in the head and should be forced to change ?
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>How much those fields have helped law enforcement alone should tell you they are entirely legitimate in diagnosing people such as narcissists and Psychopaths.
help the law? Most of the time it is used so that criminals have lighter sentences or get away with it, because "oh, surprise, any psychological diagnosis can be falsified and faked."
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Not if you got an actual legally qualified individual and you say that with no knowledge.Not to mention people have gotten horses sentences because of risk evaluations by psychiatrists saying that this individual is extremely dangerous and mimics normal human behavior while not having any morality whatsoever you know Psychopaths and when I was talking about helping law enforcement I mean investigating crime like what to look for in who did it. Just look at the premiere case Wayne Williams known as the Atlanta Child Murders Police believe they were working for a racist possibly KKK member white dude it was the early profilers who figured out they were looking for a black man who hated unsuccessful black people.
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Especially since therapy “works” for first world problems only. It doesn’t work for shit if you have actual serious issues. Venting to a stranger ain’t gonna fix your schizophrenia or autism.
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>. Venting to a stranger ain’t gonna fix your schizophrenia or autism
Schizophrenia you deal with the problems and you live through them you don't just get rid of it one day and people with Autism generally don't want to lose it because it's a part of who they are and I'm telling you that with the Asperger's I have I could gladly lose my learning difficulties but I don't want to lose my ass burgers.
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We've entered the stage of dialogue where autists have gone into the "if there were a cure, I wouldn't take it" and all I have to say to that is that if there were a widespread readily available affordable cure and you voluntarily didn't take it?
Your choice to make but I'm sure as frick not paying for your goddamn disability checks with my taxes at that point
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No you're paying for millionaires to have tax breaks.Also how many people refuse to take vaccines for covid-19 making the pandemic go on months longer and way worse?
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And I didn't like paying taxes for them either. I'm not against paying taxes to help those in need or universalized healthcare, anon, welfare definitely has it's use but... look at drug addicts. If I willingly vote to increase my taxes in the rehab system and don't see that paying off in an increased successful rehab rate within the decade, I'm gonna be wondering why I should pay for that shit. Likewise, if I pay more taxes towards programs and medications designed to help more disabled people work a job and then find that the rate of people with the specific disability unemployed on welfare is the exact same within the decade? Then I'm gonna raise an eyebrow, first on where the money's going and then on why the frick I'm putting my tax dollars towards it.
Because Timm was a cuck homosexual inserting his fetishes all over the comics and DC editors not forcing him to frick off.
Even McDuffie became jaded working on JLA because of Timm.
>Could Batman Bruce Wayne fix Harley Quinn?
Yes and no. Harley Quinn lacks a personality and contorts her identity around the man in her life. If she were romantically involved with Bruce she would abandon crime.
The issue is that Bruce is also a crazy person so Harley would become a crazy person addicted to fighting crime.
Would it be like that one time the Joker tried to copy Batman's crime fighting but his sense of justice was so shit he just straight up killed people for littering and jay wlaking?
she'd probably be like a more annoying loudmouthed robin. Harley's not crazy like he is, she's actually perfectly normal in the head, Jokester was just looking for a new funny way to kill people
I believe I saw an image before the comics code where they slept in the same bed together though clearly with the clothes on which is partly how the comics code for the thingy happened in the first place.
BTAS harley can only be subdued if somehow her best friend ivy becomes a good role model. She's an addict that needs to be in a cabin in the woods with no external vices to tempt her.
If she dated Bruce in btas I think she'd still pop off once in a while and assault the snooty rich people and sometimes shoplift.
Yes in that comic book she Swept Away in to get in a higher Gray but in many continuities it's really depends on who's right in the story at the moment look at the Harley Quinn cartoon sea monster figure out Bruce Wayne is Batman with her legitimate psychiatric skills.
And honestly if he's willing to change her grade to an A+ for having sex with him I went exactly call that individual above lying about her actual score in order to get laid.
>harley >having brains at all
Do modern writers, even Remember she was so shit at school, harley used to sleep around with proffesors just to pass?
Now every modern writer wants me to believe she's THE genius level psychologist/physiatrist.
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And honestly if he's willing to change her grade to an A+ for having sex with him I went exactly call that individual above lying about her actual score in order to get laid.
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That's because it's a sex parody comic.
Look up.
HARLEY QUINN - DON'T OPEN 'TIL CHRISTMAS
I choose to believe that Harley passed her classes legitimately because it makes for a more interesting character and makes her downfall more compelling. Blah, blah, death of the author, don't care.
I like the idea that she chooses to undermine her own intelligence and be easily led on by others but could accomplish a lot on her own if she applied herself.
I'd go into saying the problem is that the comics always present her as some kind of A-tier psychologist with god tier people reading skills based on the writer's boner for therapy.
I'll be honest, in present day? Classic Harley's origin works. Pretty much half of the psychology majors from the past decade only took psychology because they're either hyperemotional autists with poor social skills who wanna be super cool "have people figured out and can read them like a book" types, or have deep seated trauma of their own and leaned heavily on their therapists.
It goes against the point of the character. She IS just a dumb blonde that fricked her way through school and bought into Joker’s bullshit. She was easy prey. If she was legit, she wouldn’t have fallen for the obvious bait.
That's boring tho. It's more interesting if she was a legit therapist that got manipulated by Joker. It makes Joker look even more formidable as well. "Dumb b***h gets baited by clown" is less fun than "up-and-coming shrink loses everything".
I'd go into saying the problem is that the comics always present her as some kind of A-tier psychologist with god tier people reading skills based on the writer's boner for therapy.
I'll be honest, in present day? Classic Harley's origin works. Pretty much half of the psychology majors from the past decade only took psychology because they're either hyperemotional autists with poor social skills who wanna be super cool "have people figured out and can read them like a book" types, or have deep seated trauma of their own and leaned heavily on their therapists.
She doesn't need to be a super genius, just well meaning and earnest, even if therapy is a scam.
The official comic by that one porn artist with a nebulous continuity did the best splitting of the difference. She's motivated and genuinely intellectually capable, but she's got a weak spot for relationships she shouldn't be in with men in authority or who can pull one over on her. That's how they played her sleeping with her professor. Not as her sleeping with him for a grade, but her thinking she was developing a meaningful relationship beyond the bounds of society and its rules.
Made her fall more interesting too. Her ambition and naivete clash with the insane world of Arkham and she increasingly fall back on bad habits to cope. Meanwhile the Joker sees a mark (she's obsessed with finding out why violent men do the things they do) and gets one of the guards to feed him her files which he uses to play her. Meanwhile Harvey's becoming Two face in the background and him and other rogue cops assaulting Arkham to force the rest of Gotham to just kill them all pushes Harley into a corner where she shoots a guard she was friends with to save the Joker. Which was the end of it, but one presumes if they'd continued on with that version of Harley she'd be portrayed as more genuinely broken and less happy go lucky goofy than she usually is.
>childhood friend >loves him unconditionally >stays by his side unconditionally >doesn't fall for Constantine like a wench >cucked by catwoman
It's not fricking fair bros. I just want her to be happy with Bruce. This is American NTR and I hate it.
Debatable. I think the current cannon is that she slept with her professors for good grades. I always thought that was to designated her as a bad person and how not doing the work leaves you woefully unprepared for killer clowns.
>Who else is rich enough to be Batman?
Unironically quite a few people. There is Stagg, the riddler depending on the time of day, that Zeus guy, and any number of rich captains of industry the comics make up when the writers feel like it.
I should point this out because I will never forgive it: The criminals is Gotham pooled their money to hire a mercenary army and give them cutting edge military drone technology.
How many people are rich enough in Gotham City to be Batman who do not have a criminal record of supervillainy. I remember League of Assassins man originally discovered Batman's identity by basically realizing how much money Batman would be spending on it and following that to him.Not to mention Bruce Wayne is the rich guy in Gotham City by a mile sometimes he's called Mr Gotham.
I wish more versions of the story kept the billionaire playboy persona of Bruce, nobody would think that the guy who's seen at a constant stream of parties and dates would have time to be Batman.
Me too. Bruce out fricking supermodels and getting in "skiiing accidents" should be half his secret identity and used to be done a lot more in the old days. Being seen as an absurdly irresponsible rich guy is a great way to have access to countless forms of crime.
Bruce in almost every version only uses the models as a beard. He never fricks them, only dates them to keep up appearances then bails. The only one where he fricks girls is the bateman movie
>nobody would think that the guy who's seen at a constant stream of parties and dates would have time to be Batman
The problem with this is that Bruce DOES have less time to be Batman.
The smart thing to do would be to, every once and a while, take a night off and let Dick or Tim go out as Batman for a night. Do it once or twice a month while Bruce is out at a public event so there's an alibi. >I bet Bruce Wayne is Batman! >Impossible. Bruce Wayne was speaking at XYZ charity function last week while Batman was on the other side of Gotham busting up a smuggling operation.
>Debatable. I think the current cannon is that she slept with her professors for good grades.
This was the original case, it's been revised so she did do decent but also banged with them to boost grades. Which ruins the point.
I don't get why everyone assumes that just because Harley slept with a teacher for a grade it means that she is a downright moronic bimbo. It just means she didn't really care that much about the academic side of her career, isn't particularly moral and took a shortcut at some point. Which makes sense. We know Harley purposefully tried to get familiar with the Joker thinking that he'd be her pathway to quick fame and money. Harley was greedy, shortsighted, overoptimistic and arrogant, like most criminals, even as a psychologist.
I see it more as a "femme fatale wannabe move" more than as evidence that Harley is moronic. You wouldn't say that Reeves continuity Lex is moronic for embezzling widows out of their money instead of building up a new business empire every time he loses the former one.
See, isn't this argument kind of stupid because y'know, aren't there a BUNCH of millionaire tech-moguls in Gotham city? Like half of the rogues gallery could afford Batman teir gadgets and gizmos, you never see anyone going after the Penguin's Son saying "Aha! It's obvious, you're the only one with the underground connections and money to fund the batmans lifestyle, YOU'RE DA BATMAN!"
Sure if you narrowed it down to a list of top 25 suspects, Bruce Wayne would be up t here but so would Oliver Queen.
Some other people can afford the Batmobile, but Batman has like 10 Batmobiles per year, Batbikes for his family, at least a couple Batplanes, Bathydrobikes, etc. The Penguin's son probably can't afford ALL that.
Plus, Harley has heard Batman's voice and is quite familiar with his general body build and half of his face, so she could narrow him down easily in a Top 25 suspect list.
Once upon a time, he could have.
Do you have the version of batman wanting Harley to call him onii chan
I got you bro
Only in White Knight where she proved to be better than babs, cass and steph
No woman can resist the power of batman's hard steel like member of justice.
> The timeline where Harley Quinn reforms into Batwoman and Barbara Gordon is mindbroken into becoming the Joker's sidekick.
I think Batty or Batty-Girl would be a good name for her.
I liked this version of Harley. You know, the real one.
I miss that Harley so much.
I'm pretty sure this is the original version of Harley Quinn also is this the same continuity Harley Quinn from the anime movie Batman and Harley Quinn?
>I'm pretty sure this is the original version of Harley Quinn
>pretty sure
How fricking young are you?
The direction of both of these characters here just feels weird looking at this scene now.
Batman rarely shows this reformer side anymore and Harley has no interest in reforming.
Is it any wonder the show is still held up as one of the best Batmans?
That's because DC has totally fricked up Harley Quinn over the years. I get they had to do something different with her, but it just comes off as scatter brained and a cheap knock off of Dead Pool. Her animated serious version is the best she has ever been. You really care for her, and want her to change for the best.
Joker spent weeks beating off to this moment in the aslyum btw.
My gripe with Harley Quinn is they have a really great back story for her, she's popular, so they wanna make some more/new material about her where she's just doing her own thing and.. They still write her as just this vapid, air-headed, stupid, psychotic, completely emotionally stunted, Hot Topic, Gaia Online, c**t?
Which, I'm fine with if she's like that with the Joker. The Joker SHOULD be a bad influence on Harley and absolutely the reason she behaves the way she does when she's around this 36 year old terrorist in clown make-up. Like, that's very indicative of how a woman can be psychotically influenced, dragged around, made co-dependent, etc.. Because of their awful taste in men.
I'd really like to see her be her own character for once. I know cape-canon is always changing, but my vague impression of her was she's: an Olympic level gymnast, has a 'background' in psychology, but mostly buffered her grades via fricking and emotionally manipulating her professors (which, I mean, is probably just as good- it's psychology), and then the Joker dunked her in the same Vat he fell into.. Which made her more durable/stronger/smarter? Like a low-grade meta-human boost?
You are assuming that Harley has to be a good girl before the Joker influences her, but she was probably on her way to use her degree to grift people before she met the Joker. I don't think there is any continuity where she goes into Arkham hoping to selflessly help the patients. She goes there with the aim of publishing a book about the Joker in order to become famous.
She is obviously not as evil without the Joker, but she was at the very least early-Catwoman levels of evil on her own.
Harley and the Joker's strength are honestly mostly a setting issue. The Joker can be just a normal guy or powered up by some kind of evil cosmic force that inhabits Gotham and seems to keep it shitty depending on the writer. I believe the current canon is that Harley gets her superstrength from some superserum Ivy gives her.
Wow! Harley really put Bruce in his place here haha! I mean really how has no one guessed it yet? These superhero power fantasies are so childish and unrealistic fr!
Now the fantasy of Harley somehow being both an airheaded bimbo and a genius therapist? That's VERY mature and realistic. And if you disagree you're a bigot because you're against female empowerment in comics!
Most people don't see Bruce Wayne as Batman being a legitimate Theory like Lex Luthor not recognizing Superman even though he personally known Superman's public identity is because the massive contrast between who you see in the public and he will identity Batman is a dark grumpy man who lives in the saddles Bruce Wayne is a high life celebrity who is known to be surrounded by beautiful woman. if they didn't live in two different towns people probably were mistake Bruce Wayne for Superman more often than they think he's Batman.
did you really not detect the sarcasm in the post?
I figured the last little bit was a joke but being an airhead yet smarter at the same time you're talking to someone with learning difficulties and Asperger's. Despite being on legal disability I can still Amaze my family with how much I can know about stuff and remember certain things.
>Now the fantasy of Harley somehow being both an airheaded bimbo and a genius therapist? That's VERY mature and realistic.
I know you're being sarcastic, but using that dichotomy for comedy should be a core aspect of Harley's character.
>Job at Arkham
Oh please, Hugo Strange and the rest practically feeds interns to inmates
>Hey! I was a psychologist, y'know!
>So that means I know all about plays and the theater
Alllllllllrighty.
I know this is going to go over your head but people that put in work to studying one thing also can have hobbies and interests in something else that the put energy in as well. So her being a Harlequin themed character and digging for harlequin themed things isn't out there. Since that's less work than for someone going through medschool while having a boner for 1300's Iberian warfare.
indeed she sucked a lot of balls to get the job at arkham. it is canon
I’m just picturing Archer’s “READ A BOOK” line after Harley explained her joke
Archer copied The Tick?
If you make jokes that go past people's head like that they do look at you like you're the biggest dumbass.
I dunno if we're gonna do another BTAS thread so I'll ask here.
They ever explain Catwoman having, like, face paint or something in her redesign?
Is it even supposed to be face paint or just a stylistic choice that's better to not over think?
I'm gonna assume facepaint.
Nah it’s birdshit from all the birds she ate
Should have stuck with her original design. Hate this tomboy pretending to be a feme fatal thing.
Face paint like Michelle Pfeiffer in 92(also not shown in the movie but it was used to make her look unnaturally pale in specific scenes and promo pics)
in the comics yeah. its all one mask with a seethrough white thing
That sounds sweaty, uncomfortable, getting closer to fetish costume territory than Selina ordinarily does.
Lol. Catwoman is the ultimate fetish character by design
>full-body leather or spandex? That sounds uncomfortable and impractical!
i honestly really like this design. I like it more than BTAS blonde selina
sue me
>Now the fantasy of Harley somehow being both an airheaded bimbo and a genius therapist?
In fact, Harley doesn't deserve her college degree, she slept with all her professors, why do you think she joined the Joker so quickly?
I hate they change it in later stuff
Are those two different professors? Are they implying she did that to multiple dudes?
Actually I think it's not canon officially if she sleeps with her professors or is legitimate I think it's one of those things again can be described as depending on the author . Look it up on TV tropes.
Yes in that comic book she Swept Away in to get in a higher Gray but in many continuities it's really depends on who's right in the story at the moment look at the Harley Quinn cartoon sea monster figure out Bruce Wayne is Batman with her legitimate psychiatric skills.
psychiatric skills don't even exist. It's a sham field that teaches you nothing except to give made-up names to umbrella groupings of character traits. The entire field of psychology/psychiatry/sociology is a fraud. More than 90% of all studies are not reproducible.
And all the famous experiments you ever heard of (Stanford Prison Experiment, The Milgram Experiment, Bobo Doll Experiment) were all proven to be fake.
The only "skill" Harley has is to say "hmmm Batman didn't look me in the eye and he isn't very sociable and he is emotionally unstable so I say he must be autistic and have borderline personality disorder. Yes those traits of his are obvious to everyone but I gave them a smart-sounding name based on my opinion. Isn't my genius such an important contribution to this team?"
You do know flaws and being fake experiments and Faith are entirely different things?And any scientific investigation or industry can give you bad evidence if the underlying study was made for clearly biased purpose in its agenda like the so-called 51% of trans people try to commit suicide being shouted by the anti-trans community because of an online survey which was not by any means up to any scientific standards in the psychiatric fields. How much those fields have helped law enforcement alone should tell you they are entirely legitimate in diagnosing people such as narcissists and Psychopaths. Are you just upset that they don't tell you gay people are evil and long in the head and should be forced to change ?
>How much those fields have helped law enforcement alone should tell you they are entirely legitimate in diagnosing people such as narcissists and Psychopaths.
help the law? Most of the time it is used so that criminals have lighter sentences or get away with it, because "oh, surprise, any psychological diagnosis can be falsified and faked."
Not if you got an actual legally qualified individual and you say that with no knowledge.Not to mention people have gotten horses sentences because of risk evaluations by psychiatrists saying that this individual is extremely dangerous and mimics normal human behavior while not having any morality whatsoever you know Psychopaths and when I was talking about helping law enforcement I mean investigating crime like what to look for in who did it. Just look at the premiere case Wayne Williams known as the Atlanta Child Murders Police believe they were working for a racist possibly KKK member white dude it was the early profilers who figured out they were looking for a black man who hated unsuccessful black people.
Especially since therapy “works” for first world problems only. It doesn’t work for shit if you have actual serious issues. Venting to a stranger ain’t gonna fix your schizophrenia or autism.
>. Venting to a stranger ain’t gonna fix your schizophrenia or autism
Schizophrenia you deal with the problems and you live through them you don't just get rid of it one day and people with Autism generally don't want to lose it because it's a part of who they are and I'm telling you that with the Asperger's I have I could gladly lose my learning difficulties but I don't want to lose my ass burgers.
We've entered the stage of dialogue where autists have gone into the "if there were a cure, I wouldn't take it" and all I have to say to that is that if there were a widespread readily available affordable cure and you voluntarily didn't take it?
Your choice to make but I'm sure as frick not paying for your goddamn disability checks with my taxes at that point
No you're paying for millionaires to have tax breaks.Also how many people refuse to take vaccines for covid-19 making the pandemic go on months longer and way worse?
And I didn't like paying taxes for them either. I'm not against paying taxes to help those in need or universalized healthcare, anon, welfare definitely has it's use but... look at drug addicts. If I willingly vote to increase my taxes in the rehab system and don't see that paying off in an increased successful rehab rate within the decade, I'm gonna be wondering why I should pay for that shit. Likewise, if I pay more taxes towards programs and medications designed to help more disabled people work a job and then find that the rate of people with the specific disability unemployed on welfare is the exact same within the decade? Then I'm gonna raise an eyebrow, first on where the money's going and then on why the frick I'm putting my tax dollars towards it.
>she Swept Away in to get in a higher Gray
>look at the Harley Quinn cartoon sea monster figure out Bruce Wayne is Batman
Did you have a stroke?
Her creator wrote that.
The idea of someone getting a letter grade on their dissertation is funny to me.
>Look it up on TV tropes.
How about you read the fricking comics instead.
Because Timm was a cuck homosexual inserting his fetishes all over the comics and DC editors not forcing him to frick off.
Even McDuffie became jaded working on JLA because of Timm.
so now they both know each other's identity. time for another universe reboot.
WHAT? HARLEY QUINN IS A THEROPISST!!?! I HAD NO IDEA!
>Could Batman Bruce Wayne fix Harley Quinn?
Yes and no. Harley Quinn lacks a personality and contorts her identity around the man in her life. If she were romantically involved with Bruce she would abandon crime.
The issue is that Bruce is also a crazy person so Harley would become a crazy person addicted to fighting crime.
Would it be like that one time the Joker tried to copy Batman's crime fighting but his sense of justice was so shit he just straight up killed people for littering and jay wlaking?
almost, but not so exaggerated.
she'd probably be like a more annoying loudmouthed robin. Harley's not crazy like he is, she's actually perfectly normal in the head, Jokester was just looking for a new funny way to kill people
So does that mean the jokes about Batman bedding Robin on the side would decrease, or increase?
I believe I saw an image before the comics code where they slept in the same bed together though clearly with the clothes on which is partly how the comics code for the thingy happened in the first place.
Exactly why I bring that up. The Ambiguously Gay Duo had to be inspired by SOMETHING, after all
BTAS harley can only be subdued if somehow her best friend ivy becomes a good role model. She's an addict that needs to be in a cabin in the woods with no external vices to tempt her.
If she dated Bruce in btas I think she'd still pop off once in a while and assault the snooty rich people and sometimes shoplift.
White knight harley was pretty fun though.
the art for this comic sucks
That's because it's a sex parody comic.
Look up.
HARLEY QUINN - DON'T OPEN 'TIL CHRISTMAS
>I do have a doctorate in psychology
b***h you literally fricked your professor for that doctorate.
And honestly if he's willing to change her grade to an A+ for having sex with him I went exactly call that individual above lying about her actual score in order to get laid.
>harley
>having brains at all
Do modern writers, even Remember she was so shit at school, harley used to sleep around with proffesors just to pass?
Now every modern writer wants me to believe she's THE genius level psychologist/physiatrist.
See
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I choose to believe that Harley passed her classes legitimately because it makes for a more interesting character and makes her downfall more compelling. Blah, blah, death of the author, don't care.
And I prefer that she's a frick up who finally had her biggest frick up
I like the idea that she chooses to undermine her own intelligence and be easily led on by others but could accomplish a lot on her own if she applied herself.
I'd go into saying the problem is that the comics always present her as some kind of A-tier psychologist with god tier people reading skills based on the writer's boner for therapy.
I'll be honest, in present day? Classic Harley's origin works. Pretty much half of the psychology majors from the past decade only took psychology because they're either hyperemotional autists with poor social skills who wanna be super cool "have people figured out and can read them like a book" types, or have deep seated trauma of their own and leaned heavily on their therapists.
It’s also works as a criticism of therapy.
It goes against the point of the character. She IS just a dumb blonde that fricked her way through school and bought into Joker’s bullshit. She was easy prey. If she was legit, she wouldn’t have fallen for the obvious bait.
That's boring tho. It's more interesting if she was a legit therapist that got manipulated by Joker. It makes Joker look even more formidable as well. "Dumb b***h gets baited by clown" is less fun than "up-and-coming shrink loses everything".
She doesn't need to be a super genius, just well meaning and earnest, even if therapy is a scam.
she being smart or dumb doesn't matter, if joker could manipulate her, she will always be a dumb b***h who gets baited by the clown prince of crime
and above that, she likes to get spanked
>and above that, she likes to get spanked
Of course she does, she's got daddy issues.
You only say that because feminism.
No, I'm saying it because I have a savior complex.
What?
The official comic by that one porn artist with a nebulous continuity did the best splitting of the difference. She's motivated and genuinely intellectually capable, but she's got a weak spot for relationships she shouldn't be in with men in authority or who can pull one over on her. That's how they played her sleeping with her professor. Not as her sleeping with him for a grade, but her thinking she was developing a meaningful relationship beyond the bounds of society and its rules.
Made her fall more interesting too. Her ambition and naivete clash with the insane world of Arkham and she increasingly fall back on bad habits to cope. Meanwhile the Joker sees a mark (she's obsessed with finding out why violent men do the things they do) and gets one of the guards to feed him her files which he uses to play her. Meanwhile Harvey's becoming Two face in the background and him and other rogue cops assaulting Arkham to force the rest of Gotham to just kill them all pushes Harley into a corner where she shoots a guard she was friends with to save the Joker. Which was the end of it, but one presumes if they'd continued on with that version of Harley she'd be portrayed as more genuinely broken and less happy go lucky goofy than she usually is.
I think she's an interesting villain, but an obnoxious anti-hero.
Harley is not an upgrade over Catwoman. Batman deserves better than either.
Zatanna would be best endgame for Bruce.
He's Batman billionaire Bruce Wayne. He should have Holly poison ivy Catwoman and Terrier Al Gore.
>Terrier Al Gore
Are you using speech-to-text?
Yes and I was talking him.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ra%27s_al_Ghul
>childhood friend
>loves him unconditionally
>stays by his side unconditionally
>doesn't fall for Constantine like a wench
>cucked by catwoman
It's not fricking fair bros. I just want her to be happy with Bruce. This is American NTR and I hate it.
>I just want her to be happy with Bruce.
Being with Bruce is not happiness
>Psych degree
Debatable. I think the current cannon is that she slept with her professors for good grades. I always thought that was to designated her as a bad person and how not doing the work leaves you woefully unprepared for killer clowns.
>Who else is rich enough to be Batman?
Unironically quite a few people. There is Stagg, the riddler depending on the time of day, that Zeus guy, and any number of rich captains of industry the comics make up when the writers feel like it.
I should point this out because I will never forgive it: The criminals is Gotham pooled their money to hire a mercenary army and give them cutting edge military drone technology.
How many people are rich enough in Gotham City to be Batman who do not have a criminal record of supervillainy. I remember League of Assassins man originally discovered Batman's identity by basically realizing how much money Batman would be spending on it and following that to him.Not to mention Bruce Wayne is the rich guy in Gotham City by a mile sometimes he's called Mr Gotham.
Most people probably think that either Bruce Wayne or a group of rich families or corporations funds funds some guy or guys to be Batman.
I wish more versions of the story kept the billionaire playboy persona of Bruce, nobody would think that the guy who's seen at a constant stream of parties and dates would have time to be Batman.
Me too. Bruce out fricking supermodels and getting in "skiiing accidents" should be half his secret identity and used to be done a lot more in the old days. Being seen as an absurdly irresponsible rich guy is a great way to have access to countless forms of crime.
Bruce in almost every version only uses the models as a beard. He never fricks them, only dates them to keep up appearances then bails. The only one where he fricks girls is the bateman movie
Bale*
>nobody would think that the guy who's seen at a constant stream of parties and dates would have time to be Batman
The problem with this is that Bruce DOES have less time to be Batman.
The smart thing to do would be to, every once and a while, take a night off and let Dick or Tim go out as Batman for a night. Do it once or twice a month while Bruce is out at a public event so there's an alibi.
>I bet Bruce Wayne is Batman!
>Impossible. Bruce Wayne was speaking at XYZ charity function last week while Batman was on the other side of Gotham busting up a smuggling operation.
>Debatable. I think the current cannon is that she slept with her professors for good grades.
This was the original case, it's been revised so she did do decent but also banged with them to boost grades. Which ruins the point.
Eww no.
Did the Harley and Bruce getting married redeem White Knight for you?
What a mess of a comic. I checked out at the whole AI cyberghost thing, I felt like it jumped the shark. MILF Harley is fine, I guess.
Cyber ghost never should’ve happened.
Bruce x Harley
Excellent argument, but consider the following:
I don't get why everyone assumes that just because Harley slept with a teacher for a grade it means that she is a downright moronic bimbo. It just means she didn't really care that much about the academic side of her career, isn't particularly moral and took a shortcut at some point. Which makes sense. We know Harley purposefully tried to get familiar with the Joker thinking that he'd be her pathway to quick fame and money. Harley was greedy, shortsighted, overoptimistic and arrogant, like most criminals, even as a psychologist.
I see it more as a "femme fatale wannabe move" more than as evidence that Harley is moronic. You wouldn't say that Reeves continuity Lex is moronic for embezzling widows out of their money instead of building up a new business empire every time he loses the former one.
See, isn't this argument kind of stupid because y'know, aren't there a BUNCH of millionaire tech-moguls in Gotham city? Like half of the rogues gallery could afford Batman teir gadgets and gizmos, you never see anyone going after the Penguin's Son saying "Aha! It's obvious, you're the only one with the underground connections and money to fund the batmans lifestyle, YOU'RE DA BATMAN!"
Sure if you narrowed it down to a list of top 25 suspects, Bruce Wayne would be up t here but so would Oliver Queen.
Some other people can afford the Batmobile, but Batman has like 10 Batmobiles per year, Batbikes for his family, at least a couple Batplanes, Bathydrobikes, etc. The Penguin's son probably can't afford ALL that.
Plus, Harley has heard Batman's voice and is quite familiar with his general body build and half of his face, so she could narrow him down easily in a Top 25 suspect list.
I really wish someone would make a new AU graphic novel that has its own unique standalone take on Harley