https://www.insider.com/craig-mccracken-says-this-era-worst-in-animation-history
>Craig McCracken, the creator of hit shows such as The Powerpuff Girls and Foster's Home For Imaginary Friends recently spoke in an interview in recent interview with Collider, where he felt the current era of animation is the worst it's ever been
>''The truth of it is that it's been hard for anything that isn't based on an existing IP to get greenlit. From a business standpoint it makes sense since from the point of view of the execs it guarantees more return on their investment due to having brand recognition. Sadly it seems like every year fewer and fewer original ideas have even gotten past the pitching stage and instead the execs decide to look at a past show or popular IP to reboot especially at Netflix. It doesn't help that more than half of these shows from my experience don't seem to have the heart and soul put into them compared to a show that came from scratch.
>The entire reason why the revivals of The Powerpuff Girls and Foster's happened is due to the current state the industry is in. If you want to work in this industry, you have to adapt and sadly this is where the industry is at currently. It's honestly very sad if you look at it, the industry has not seen this level of creative lows since the 80s and in my opinion it might even be worse than that period.''
Is he right?
Yep
It's possible the worst for new IP, absolutely.
>Foster's Home For Imaginary Friends
That’s a pretty average show and a pretty shitty way to adapt an interesting premise.
Even when you have a new IP slip through you get either another magical girl show or another Loud House clone
> another magical girl show
Yet they still haven’t made one with depth or aesthetic of my fav anime magic girl shows.
I bet if Hasbro made a magical girl show version of MLP it'd sell like hotcakes.
Isn't that was EG essentially was.
They had that and they completely fumbled it
>depth or aesthetic of my fav anime magic girl shows
Yeah. Wake me when we get a american Cutie Honey at least
Ok but how is this problem going to be solved when every creator who gets the chance to do something new fricks up?
Genndy got a movie and choose dog balls as the premise for instance. I'll give him the benefit of the doubt since there is a chance of it ending up good
Based McCracken as always.
>Gennedy
Why is there only a handful of talented creators in Western Animation? Everyone else is from the CalArts clique. It's really troubling.
Maybe if new IPs didn't suck ass, we get more also 80's might been non-creative driven toy stuff or based on like comic strips or whatever but at least it's better than new shit we get now.
Most of the new IPs are made by nonwhites or LGBTQ types. They kicked out all of the creative white dudes from major industries. Elemental was just some fat Korean dude making a Zootopia rip-off without the furbait
Genndy Tartakovsky literally has a new show
Genndy himself is an established figure. Someone like that is more likely to be able to get funding for a new original cartoon. Even then they might not, see Craig McCracken.
So it has nothing to do with nonwhites and LGBTQ per say.
Yeah. Sorry I didn't read the post you were replying to lol
I wouldn't say it has nothing to do with that. I think those groups have an advantage as unknowns getting approved for new shows lately. It's an easy selling point for networks nowdays.
Molly McGee is created by two straight white guys. You're making this a whole thing when the problem is stupid corporations.
I'm not saying no straight white guys are making stuff, I'm just saying it's a contributing factor in what gets greenlit. One of many. If not created by those groups, the show being about those groups helps. Molly McGee isn't starring a straight white guy.
>the problem is stupid corporations.
Agreed
Why does this country hate straight white men? It's like they want to make them an oppressed group.
I don't think it's about hating straight white men (for the most part). Just people wanting more representation of other groups, for both their own creative reasons and ESG reasons.
ESG has been around since the 2000s dumb zoom zoom. It's not safe to be a straight white man anymore.
It's become a lot bigger of a deal over the past decade.
Yeah because morons like you didn't stop consooming proto woke shit. You let ESG win.
This.
Most new IPs are really boring (with few exceptions).
I feel like a lot of people have forgotten how to make things for kids.
There's something ironic about this, if you think about it. PPG and Foster's failing would be bad for him, but it would be good for animation at large since it'd kinda discredit the idea of merely reusing existing IPs (not that it wasn't discredited already when PPG16 failed too).
Is he warning us that he's going full kamikaze and plans on crashing his shows -with no survivors?
>it'd kinda discredit the idea of merely reusing existing IPs
We have seen shows and movies based on well known IPs be complete failures all the time, but studio execs will keep insisting into this for the now. His shows failing wouldn't change anything.
Adventure Time destroyed animation
Cartoons*
Adventure Time destroyed cartoons
pfft how did it ruin cartoons
How much would it suck to marry Faust considering how cute she was only for her to turn into Hilldawg-mode not that many years later?
That's normal for marriage. It's not about the looks lasting, it's about how many kids she makes you.
And (assuming Craig wasn't cucked) he does have one daughter so I give him a C..C+ for at least getting the bare minimum out of Faust.
Daughters are awesome. the daddy daughter bond is real and awesome
In before a degen
>marry Faust considering how cute she was
Lucky bastard!!!
>the self hating Korean who made Elemental
She got blacked so it still has to do with blacks.
I mean he's right.
I wouldn't necessarily say worst, it could be tied with the 70s. A decade full of Scooby Doo clones and other derivative soulless low budget crap.
Don't forget that shitty tom and jerry show from the 70's
I didn't realize there are so many non-whites in executive roles.
Unironically full of israeli People and Lesbians.
>jews in america
>not white
He's right, current animation is pretty shit.
You don't get the creator-driven fun of the 90s or the interesting artstyles of the 00s.
It's all just reboots, remakes, cheap CGslop, and animated therapy sessions for losers.
Hell, even modern adult animation sucks shit compared to where it was in the 00s and 90s, since American comedy has been a dead and rotting corpse for almost a decade now.
I'd be willing to deal with all the other problems if "xillennial/millennial wangstfest you will sit through my private grievances about my childhood/adolescence :(" utter c**thood. It is by far the most unforgivable sin of conflating 'draw from personal lived experiences to give your work sincere flavor' with 'watch as i work through my personal issues on YOUR screen'.
You know what I believe? I think this is exactly what audiences deserve. Audiences have never, not a single time in the past half a century, made it understood to these execs that quality matters. Audiences have also endorsed subscription models that cheapen and cheapen what they consume. Audiences just want endless slop to gobble up every day. They have no standards as long as it's cheap. They're fricking stupid and they get stupider every year. This is why everything is shit now and it's not worth it to work on anything but porn or israeli propaganda, people literally don't give a frick about quality, they never did, they never paid for it.
>the execs forced these humble down to earth showrunners to whine about their personal issues
Where did I say this? By all means, given the resources that we have and the modern Internet, it should be possible to pitch a show directly to the public, e.g. via Kickstarter, and get it funded. Why doesn't it happen? Because the public is a bunch of moronic mouth-breathers who wouldn't make the tiniest effort to have something different or new. The reason why popular IPs stay popular isn't because people like those popular IPs, it's literally beause they're TOO FRICKING LAZY to bother looking for other things. The elephant in the room is that 99% of people are subhumans, they're moronic monkeys whose ideal lifestyle is spread on a couch while a robot switches channels for him. Human beings are loathsome, disgusting, lazy homosexuals. I don't even care that the israelites or reptilians may be running things, the fact is that the public is a bunch of indolent bags of shit, and things are getting worse and worse specifically because they're indolent.
>hurrr people don't have money
any shitty two-bit porn "artist" makes like 40k a month, I will not take this bullshit. people do find the money when they feel compelled (by addiction, because otherwise they'd be too lazy to bother)
I hate human beings so much it's unreal
> even modern adult animation sucks shit compared to where it was in the 00s and 90s
That’s objectively not true with shows like Pantheon, Arcane, Primal and Invincible around. Adult animation has improved, it’s kid content that has been downgraded
>literally 4 shows
Bruh
>it’s kid content that has been downgraded
what about bluey?
basado
>That’s objectively not true with shows like Pantheon, Arcane, Primal and Invincible around.
Castlevania, The Witcher NOTW, Dota's Dragon Blood, Blood of Zeus, Harley Quinn (Season 1 only) Young Justice S3+S4 and many other action adult cartoons that resemble anime.
Adult animation is better than ever outside of animated sitcom slop.
Most of those shows suck, the balls on you to list fricking Young Justice's modern seasons of all things.
The problem is that those only got greenlit because of the big names attached to them (Primal and Invincible) that they cannot ignore, Arcane was basically an in-house production so it's more like people just made their own fricking series and asked netflix to stream it, they would have never asked for such a series themselves or spend money to produce it themselves.
Pantheon is different in that regard, but it was probably the attempt of a smaller and new streaming service to stick out and do something else.
The central problem is that cartoons are too fricking black and white. Even the magical girl anime
mentions won't happen because the very thing that made MG popular is the mix of light-hearted fun and drama as well as tragic parts.
This cannot happen with cartoons because they either have to be super safe and no blood or true conflicts allowed or they are for "adults" aka gore fests where everybody is an butthole or sociopath because that's funny or something.
>what is SU, She-Ra, Owl House
Super safe and boring with little to no blood or true conflicts allowed.
Animation died in 2013
>another boomer who is too dumb to use the internet
CN should frick him even more and remove their credits on the next shows and forbid him to mention the ips they "own". The industry has never been good
>link is invalid
>tries to look for more info on that interview, nothing shows up
>OP clearly made it up
>plus it’s incoherently written and has bad syntax
>besides Craig is too much of a chill, positive fella to ever say something like that
>he’s actually optimistic and confident about the new PPG and Fosters reboots
>Cinemaphile morons still fall for the bait and whine about how awful their lives are because they’re a bunch of whiny self-loathing manchildren
You motherfrickers ought to be stoned in public
Now watch this post get ignored because facts matter less than b***hing.
Good point, mea culpa
I thought it parroted Cinemaphile talking points a little too precisely
Holy shit I can't believe I fell for that. I'm so moronic
Thank you for spreading the truth
And yet this thread is still getting bumped and people are treating it as fact
This sounds more like a CN and Nickelodeon problem rather than an overall problem. Disney Channel is of course guilty of rebooting IPs but it seems that they are the only ones that are currently greenlighting original stuff.
McCraken and over half of the CN creators don't own their own creations. How did anyone think the industry was ever good?
That link leads to nothing. Did you just make up this entire post?
It would appear so.
Yes. Replace the generic, realistic humans with CalArts gremlins, the "radical" motif with DiVeRsItY™ and add a legion of diversity hires pushed by BlackRock producing low quality DiVeRsItY™ shows as new IPs and yeah, the current era is not good.
That said I suppose I'm not exactly their target audience, I'm on my 30's. Maybe the kids like these new cartoons... but I also have a feeling these new cartoons aren't made with children in mind.
>tries to lookup up said article op is quoting
>op's link is invalided
>tries to search for the supposed collider interview
>only turns up a 2018 article about several cartoons being picked up for netflix, including craig's kid cosmic series.
Once again OP is a homosexual!
>creator of hit shows such as The Powerpuff Girls and Foster's Home For Imaginary Friends
he sucks too.
>Invalid link
Wait a minute, did you just fabricate this? All just for outrage bait?
>Dude I HAVE to keep this garbage thread alive
Ive made several fake ChatGPT article Cinemaphile threads and rarely anyone notices
>expecting anyone to read news articles on the internet
This. Half the time they're behind paywalls now anyway.
It's a huge problem, then you see those same newspapers whining about twitter and fake news. You can't access scientific journals or news, but anyone can access facebook. Gee, I wonder why the quality of discussion is falling.
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Nice nonexistent article
The last panel looks like he’s thinking about it. Really contemplating the possibilities.
American animation is ran by communists. They hate capitalism so much that they attack and cancel anyone with actual talent and new ideas because the entire idea of an actual free market with competition infuriates them. They also want to destroy all established institutions and figures so they love "rebooting" already existing IPs to destroy them.
They also beat me up and stole my lunch money.
Reading it in the grammar style also gave me mouth cancer. Who wrote this article from what Craig said? He is in partial right about it being the absolute worst. If it wasn't for diversity and affirmative actions. There would be WAY better shows on tv for both adults and kids to enjoy. I say adults in the manner of parents watching tv shows with their kids. They are probably experiencing fatigue of seeing diversity shoved down the throats of everyone. Guess this why they are turning more and more towards anime as a way to divert their kids' attention away from the propaganda being on full-display 24/7. Not to mention that the executives in question absolutely refuses to hire or allow ideas that doesn't have particular races or sexes thrown in the garbage-heap to appease the slim minority of rabid SJW blue-hairs on twitter b***hing and crying over the cartoons having less diversity. In all respect. If you just stop catering to the lowest of the low on twitter and do not work with anti-white executives. Better shows would captivate the audience even more so. At least that's the idea here.
>Who wrote this article from what Craig said?
For frick's sake click on the link or at least read the thread.
>Fosters revival
when was this?
It was announced like a year ago, also it's gonna be a CG-animated preschool series.
Don't forget the part where it's supposed to be (at least) as good as Bluey
That dosn't seem to be Disney TVAs problem, they have reboots on the way? yes but they also have original shows,dosn't matter if you think are dogshit at least they have original shows
ugly designs
Looks cotc and wbb mixed together and not in a good way
Good job OP, that does sound like something he'd say.
All the good animators were pushed to Youtube and eventually became let's players.
>Thinks this era is bad because it's difficult to get original projects greenlit
>Still refuses to start his own production company to pitch shows to streamers hungry for content, while retaining secondary rights and the ability to diversify profit streams so that the asking price would be competitive
This reminds me of that comicsbrokeme hashtag on Twitter. It was just a bunch of people who are the industry, complaining about industry.
McCraken may be right, but the power to reverse this problem resides in people like him. He even acknowledged the business rationale.
>It doesn't help that more than half of these shows from my experience don't seem to have the heart and soul put into them compared to a show that came from scratch.
The difference is not whether it's an existing IP or not, it's stakes and ownership. Arcane turned out great because it was done by the people who owned it, they have every reason to pour their heart and soul into it and make it right for their customers. They enjoy the fruits of success *and* the burden of failure.
Why is there so much failure in animation? Because this "community" tried to remove the consequence of failure as much as possible. They deferred responsibility.
If McCraken had the responsibility upfront of promoting Kid Cosmic, think he would have at least tried harder than Netflix? I bet he would have.
Bait
The daughters of M are self hating and destructive to the core. A true cancer of worst korea.
He's 100% right on every single point. The amount of leverage you need to successfully pitch a new IP far exceeds anything a regular showrunner has to offer. You either have to already be a big name or have a cultish online following. Thank god for nepotism or we would never have gotten owl house or amphibia.
Since your link doesn't work I'm going to assume you made this interview up
I could tell there was something off, because artists aren't allowed to complain about the industry lest they get blacklisted.
>DA JOOOOOS DA BLACKS IS ALL WOMINS HATINGS US WHITE DEY B PUTTING US DOWN
Jesus christ give it a rest you mentally ill mongoloids
Never change, Cinemaphilemblr
>Already established IP.
>Hamster & Gretel
>Haileys On It
>Primos
>Elemental
>Kiff
>Moon Girl and Devil Dinosaur
>The Ghost and Molly McGee
>Turning Red
>Luca
>Unicorn Warriors Eternal
>Strange World
>Wish
>Encanto
>Raya and the Last Dragon
>Mitchell’s Vs the Machines
>Vivo
>Luck
>Anything Netflix made
Bunch of failures in that list.
Moon Girl and Devil Dinosaur is based on a comic series.
Wish is using a petty nostalgic retcon to tie it into being important to other stories
>It's about the wishing star from those movies you actually like becasue they had SOVL so buy our new black European princess movie plz
This. Nothing original, especially from the makers of Kim Possible
You all know who caused all of this
late stage capitalism
>The Current Era Of Animation Is The Worst Ever
Industrycuck on suicide watch.
As much as I would love for home to kill himself, OP is fake and everyone here is gay and moronic.
Besides, IC hates Craig anyway so it wouldn't matter what he said.
Yes and it's not going to change. The current business model is all about short term profits.
Been like this since the 90s
Yup. The 90s at least had the boom that allowed for more indulgence in entertainment. Economic instability plus investor driven business models means less creativity by default.
>implying the 90s were creative
Meanwhile Japan had long since surpassed western animation
The 90s were far more creative than the modern era, industrycuck.
It's almost like there's a correlation between the economy and creative freedom.
Why is this thread still here?
This board is moronic and can't help taking bait. You now realize why this board is the way it is.
Yes. Craig is right. Although it is worth noting that we might be going into the worst era of human history since the 30s and 40s at the rate things are imploding so I suppose animation is not on a lot of execs minds right now. Still sucks. This is what happens when the venture capital runs out and things have to make a profit again. Most people are also pitching shows that create 0 profit or toy sales, so there's that as well. If you are going into the industry you better have a world or something that they can make a lot of shows and movies out of like Marvel, because that's what they are looking for.
>Craig is right.
He didn't even say anything dumbass.
>a threw out about a fake article made by AI devolves into /misc/ shit
What is wrong with this board?
Can't avoid it nowadays sadly
How come they would put the risks in before? We all know things are bad in all industries. Nobody talks about why
They didn't actually take risks
They did more than they do today.
Not really.
Well, if you call it a risk or not, whatever they were doing it resulted in a lot of good and original cartoons compared to now. Things were good in the 90s and 00s at least. I'd say Nick and Cartoon Network were taking some risks with their original programming. Nicktoons and Cartoon Cartoons were new models that paid off. Fred Seibert allowed a ton of original cartoons to be submitted and shown, and then the successful ones were made into full cartoons like Dexter's Lab and Courage.
>whatever they were doing it resulted in a lot of good and original cartoons compared to now.
>Things were good in the 90s and 00s at least.
My fricking sides. This is peak late millennial/zoomer cope.
Were cartoons not good in the 90s and 00s? Instead of just saying "my fricking sides," actually try refuting it.
90s and 00s (especially early 00s) was a good time for creator-driven animation, you cannot deny that.
Yeah it's disappointing. People believe stuff way too easily online.
>90s and 00s (especially early 00s) was a good time for creator-driven animation, you cannot deny that.
I will to my dying breathe. Those eras suck.
Liquid Animation on MTV and stuff too
higher cost of operation as well as having computers run risk calculations on budgets; much of today's film quality issues is a result of studios having so much access to user data now, they know who watches what and for how long, what people seem to like and why
>If you want to work in this industry, you have to adapt.
>Vivienne Medrano did the right thing
She went her own way, instead of being a cog in the machine like Craig.
I have mad respect for that crazy b***h now.
>Fake link with a fake quote in a made up story that homosexual OP invented
>Over 100 replies
FRICK YOU
THIS IS A TROLL THREAD
YOU'RE FRICKING moronS
ANYONE BELOW ME MAKING A SERIOUS POST THAT ISN'T JUST CALLING OUT OP IS A CERTIFIED FRICKING moron
This is an interesting fake because it's not saying anything too outrageous. It's fairly believable.
Gonna be honest with you anon, half the time I don't even read the OP. I'm just jumping in and replying to random posts.
Op is always a homosexual so there is zero reason to interact with him. The best parts of a thread are the other anons, so I don't blame you.
Now watch it reach another hundred because there's no hope for this board.
I swear it's becoming easier and easier to b8 anons too. People here seem to fall for any and everything.
i just watch stuff on youtube
Are you talking about rigging and Black folks at the same time? it's hilarious and "r/Cinemaphile" levels of bad.
He's an out of touch boomer. This is the dawn of a new golden age.
said the homie who made hotel transylvania
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Craig_McCracken#Filmography
Congratulations on being the biggest idiot in this thread for thinking he actually said that and confusing him with Genndy Tartakovsky.
tomato tomahto
https://web.archive.org/web/20230000000000*/https://www.insider.com/craig-mccracken-says-this-era-worst-in-animation-history
It says that the URL was excluded from the archive, not that it doesn't exist. What's going on?
You can't archive Insider links on that website.
oh whack
But the weird thing is that OP put effort into make this fake believable, it references things he actually said
It is the fault of Inclusion, all inclusion must be eliminated, especially that of gays
>The entire reason why the revivals of The Powerpuff Girls and Foster's happened is due to the current state the industry is in. If you want to work in this industry, you have to adapt and sadly this is where the industry is at currently. It's honestly very sad if you look at it, the industry has not seen this level of creative lows since the 80s and in my opinion it might even be worse than that period.''
I'm honestly not sure which era is more creatively bankrupt, the 80's or this modern era
The statement that it's the worst it's ever been is debatable and there's arguments to be had it's not.
The statement that execs want less risky higher returns on investment is not. It's hardly surprising but he's not wrong there. There's a lot of reasons why but at the end of the day, a bird in the hand is worth two in the bush. There's a lot to be lost on something new and even more if it's expensive.
I don't think animation is at its lowest point though. Not when there's the rut things were in during the 60's and 70's.
is he sure
Kill necrobumpers
are you sure he’s not trying to conduct with his penis
Honestly I’d rather just go back in time
I’d take shit like yakkity yak over whatever they have any day
I’d rather go back to the 70s. Zoomers and millenials have shit taste in cartoons.
back in time
PAC-IN-TIME
what is your favorite 70s cartoon?
Scooby-Doo.
Yes
Make some AI porn of Lauren Faust
>almost 200 posts
>97 unique posters
Stop discussing this fake bullshit. I hate all of you.
Unlike Craig McCracken Craig Bartlett isn’t a fricking whiner
Based Craig telling it like it is like a tenured boomer professor.
Yes.
Yes, but I also don't see why he hasn't turned this into a lucrative business:
>Buy a cartoon by Craig McCraken, only 100k to try!
>We get in on air you get 40%, ain't that nice?
>Sell me a cartoon and I can pick what will succeed and what won't!
This is a man complaining about how his water is sandy in a desert completely forgetting he has a shirt to filter the sand.
You fricking morons are discussing something OP made up
Are you going to say Hypothetical Craig is wrong?
The interview is not there you lying homosexual
CrAIg is right