Not apt in this case since the star wars ships also function as carriers and are therefore required anyway, ths combat in star wars just decides to be a spiritual clone to WW2 dogfighting so you have flak guns and fighters missing shots within 100 yards
From old lore, the star destroyers were built for patrolling/occupying the galaxy, so they needed to be able to work alone or in small numbers, and be able to overpower typical planetary rebel forces without complication. Which is also why they include fighters and ground forces on the standard capital ships.
Whereas in the new media we see a lot of smaller ships based on the premise that patrolling isn't for ISDs, even though invariably the pirates or rebel frigates you'd think they'd be good against end up trouncing them.
Part of it is people can't conceptualise heroic guerrilla warfare taking place on the scale such that the rebels have impersonal capital ships instead of purely one-man fighters.
But when it's planetary economies and interstellar distances at play, you start to see the sense in the empire needing to garrison most of its planets with forces stronger than typical planetary economies could support.
yeah, what the frick? Like, as of the first three movies, the Death Star had a laser that could literally destroy an Earth-sized planet in one shot. Fine. So what was the second-biggest laser? What were the weapon options between vaporizing 4 trillion tons of rock and shooting a single-seat fighter ten times in order to kill it?
Fleets fought each other repeatedly and none of the ships seemed to be carrying weapons that could destroy another ship of the same weight class. It was all ack-ack.
Fricking moronic
>And what is the benefit of a super star destroyer over a regular star destroyer >er... er... er.... [force chokes you]
Obviously it is all fiction and rule of cool and whatnot but, the autist in me never got why the Empire built stuff like Super Star Destroyers and Death Stars. When it comes to the Death Star I don't see how blowing up planets really stops the rebellion considering the Rebel Alliance does not consist of rebelling planets - it is like using nukes to try and stop Islamic terrorism. They have no peer adversary that warrants a ship the size of a Super Star Destroyer. Even regular Star Destroyers (or the amount they have / reliance on them) seems questionable in their value of countering rebels, pirates and smugglers. Overall, the Empire seems like it would be better served by using all those resources in smaller capital ships, getting a greater number of vessels for the same amount of money.
yeah, what the frick? Like, as of the first three movies, the Death Star had a laser that could literally destroy an Earth-sized planet in one shot. Fine. So what was the second-biggest laser? What were the weapon options between vaporizing 4 trillion tons of rock and shooting a single-seat fighter ten times in order to kill it?
Fleets fought each other repeatedly and none of the ships seemed to be carrying weapons that could destroy another ship of the same weight class. It was all ack-ack.
Fricking moronic
"psychological warfare' doesn't have anything to do with the reason they never built any guns except fighter size and planet size, autismo
Maybe wake up tomorrow a little less moronic
A strategy that clearly fails. Super Star Destroyers or even regular Star Destroyers did little to prevent rebellion. That's the point people make about the how the Empire would have been wiser to build ships capable of actually tackling the rebels. Just look at how Star Destroyers aren't able to catch or destroy the Falcon: something that represents how much of the Rebel Alliance consisted of small, fast ships that engaged in hit and run tactics. The Empire didn't need all these massive ships, for they didn't deter the threat or were able to counter it.
>Super Star Destroyers or even regular Star Destroyers did little to prevent thr good guys winning in a fictional scenario where the outcome is pre-determined by omnipotent goddess George Lucas
>ermmm this movie about spaceships and magic isn’t he king logical (I learned that from my favorite YouTube video essayist btw)
Star Trek just attracts the worst most moronic homosexual moron on the planet Millenials like you should be executed
>Empire is destroyed after their super weapons leaves the whole galaxy in massive debt and hyperinflation while some rabble that can capitalize money from free enterprises takes over
so just like every country that tried Keynesian economics >most stable regime in the whole galaxy among the ages is literal ancapistan Jabba
makes you think
>Thrawn talking about how it wasnt the destruction of both deaths stars that killed the empire in the long run it was actually the Executor going down which did it
With the Executor being Vaders flagship moronation and failure wasnt tolerated and competence rewarded. It was seen as a quick way for promotion, so when it went down at Endor it killed such a large percentage of the empires elite cadet and young officer corp that it never recovered.
Well, what happened was literally impossible if not for Lucas just deciding that the ship needed to explode to be out of the way, just like Boba Fett needed to get tossed into the Sarlaac.
maybe don't design a ship that can be cripped by nine elevening the giant obvious target sticking out of the hull?
at least have a backup bridge FFS
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I'm sure there is supposed to be a secondary bridge in Star Destroyers lorewise
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Palpatine was using battle meditation to super charge his forces so when he died the shock stunned them at the exact moment the Executor's main bridge went down. Keep in mind that Home One and the rest of the fleet were focusing their fire on the Executor
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There was but remember: >Ackbar ordered the entire fleet to focus fire the SSD, not just fighters, EVERY SHIP IN THE REBEL FLEET WAS HAMMERING THE EXECUTOR >rebels crippled shield generator with bombing run on one of the projector towers while EVERY OTHER SHIP IN THE REBEL FLEET HAMMERED THEM >every particle of shit was hitting every blade of every fan when the A-Wing snackbarred himself into the bridge >secondary command crew was already fricked before they could assume command
Maybe try watching movies instead of making up hyperbolic bullshit.
thats why the rebels in the ot were fricking gay. the 2nd death star was an active construction site that undoubtedly had thousands of plumbers, electricians, welders, etc. when they blew it up all they did was kill a shitload of contactors. those israelites probably owned stock in the competition.
>mobile refueling / rearming other fleets >enough troops and crafts aboard to hold almost any system solo >Tarkin Doctrine: Everything has to be big, intimidating and scary
So, Imperator/Imperial Star Destroyers were designed with important lessons learned from the Clone Wars. They are heavy weight capital ships that can subdue fleets, can conduct planetary invasions because they have prefabricated bases and entire garrisons inside and they carry a healthy amount of fighters/bombers/support craft. They're typically suppose to guard systems and maybe sectors.
A Super Star Destroyer oversees entire sectors or Oversectors. They can do everything and more of a regular star destroyer. But they're typically flagships or used for coordination, resupply and function as a mobile base. During the Mid Rim disaster, they functioned as mobile bases as Imperial task forces isolated and destroyed Rebel groups. There's a reason Ackbar focused on taking out the Executor. It was decimating the Rebel fleet at Endor and causing more damage than even the Death Star.
>where did he find the men to staff the ships?
They had over 30 years of time to rebuild and recruit. In a galaxy of trillions, 500 million is not a lot. That literally could be one sector or less. Automation was also a big thing considering the Confederacy mostly didnt even bother with organic crews to pilot their ships.
I guess. But I was thinking more from a recruiting standpoint.
Star Wars never took the time to show how the Empire builds and rebuilds their armies. With clones, you can write that off. But they have to recruit and vet 500 million soldiers? Impossible.
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>But they have to recruit and vet 500 million soldiers? Impossible.
On Earth? Yes. In a galaxy where an average planet is Earth in population, it's not impossible. Plus the galaxy has been at war more or less since Naboo so getting vets isnt hard. There's a lot to take from the ST but the numbers arent ridiculous. Explaining Starkiller breaks my suspension of disbelief.
The films have always just done a bunch of random shit that looks cool while doing the bare minimum to have it make sense. George himself was constantly retconning or misunderstanding his own lore. Anytime someone says something about Star Wars background lore that makes the setting sound somewhat coherent, there is 99% chance it's just some fan's headcanon or it's EU material that will be made obsolete when the next movie contradicts it.
So? That has nothing to do with what he asked. He asked the purpose of a Star Destroyer and Super Star Destroyer. There's not a lot of Sci-fi or films in general that stop and give a completely detailed overview of what something does and doesnt do. MANY times, supplemental material comes out before the film for the superfans. Because exposition is boring. Star Wars is no exception to this.
The films have always just done a bunch of random shit that looks cool while doing the bare minimum to have it make sense. George himself was constantly retconning or misunderstanding his own lore. Anytime someone says something about Star Wars background lore that makes the setting sound somewhat coherent, there is 99% chance it's just some fan's headcanon or it's EU material that will be made obsolete when the next movie contradicts it.
The only thing you said correct was rule of cool was at play. All the other stuff about Lucas is just incorrect. This franchise goes over 30 years and ideas and plans come and go this is for any long time franchise. He's not misunderstanding himself, he had a completely different perceptive at 60 vs being 30. Every filmmaker in history talks about how they would tweak or change their prior works. Lucas is one of the few who has done it. Ridley Scott went on a rant about how Alien is too long and he would clean it up if he could.
>200k sounds small if anything now.
I would look at it this way. If we round the Earth's population down to 7 billion, then if you were to conscript / get a volunteer force of just 2% then you are looking at 140,000,000 people in the military. Star Wars is a setting of countless planets.
thats a dumb figure because its counting children, the elderly, and women.
if you want an actual realistic idea of a military earth's population can support, just count its actual military service men (pro-tip, its around 64 million total)
>Have developed hyper space travel >Planet destroying super lasers >Interstellar travel >Hard light technology >cloning >magic powers
All guns are manually pointed and fired
lol. lmao.
Let's be fair, the franchise was created nearly 50 years ago when those concepts weren't widely known. People thought physical media would still be a thing in the future up until the 2010s
It isn’t “general” or “common” because most people don’t physically interact with it
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Who are these “most people?” Are you talking about video games and movies? I thought we were talking about science-fiction here, and how they use crystals and discs and stuff for data. Anyone outside of a consumer streaming Netflix still uses physical media.
Canonically, an AI became sentient on the death star and was going to genocide humans, and the only reason it didn't was because it decide to lower the death star shields after feeling true emotions from the Force. This is canon secondary material.
Star Wars is best when played as pure Science Fantasy, leaving those elements out.
Imperiam ships in 40k are not very advanced compared to others. Their method of FTL for example is extremely inefficient and dangerous
The empire could beat the imperiam when it comes to ship to ship fights , even if on average SW ships are smaller.
Bullshit. Average turbolaser is rated in gigatons. Not only that but you have deflector, particle, thermal, and ray shields protecting most ships. Not only that but SW would outrange them. they're visual for the movies but ships like the venator can shoot from parsecs
>Thrawn talking about how it wasnt the destruction of both deaths stars that killed the empire in the long run it was actually the Executor going down which did it
it's pretty much NYC up on that b***h.
i'd like a buddy cop show that takes place on the executor - i bet you there's all sorts of illegal shit going on up in there.
Back when I was writing fanfic filler stories to our SW rpg group of Imperial pilots, I tried to make the massive starships more realistic from a logistical point. Looking back, I should have saved all those texts and push for making a good SW space RTS game.
Prolly a lot than we can imagine. I remember in Hand of Thrawn books, Booster Terrik, the smuggler who had a Star Destroyer of his own, took red paint enough to paint the entire thing red from New Republic as a reward for his participation in their campaign, because his budget alone couldn't afford it.
But it does look cool
>Isard gets Lusankya >Loses it without ever using it properly >Daala gets Knight Hammer >Loses it without ever using it properly >Zsinj gets Iron Fist >Sets up his own empire
Lesson learned: Never trust women with great powers
>Star Wars autists actually expect the one sci-fi franchise where rule of cool is held above all else to actually be remotely consistent in its physics
The novel from 1977 clearly states that the Falcon had to get some distance to Tatooine otherwise the planet's gravity would prevent the jump to lightspeed.
It's been a thing for decades. They had starships specifically to make artificial gravity wells to trap rebels. It makes for far more interesting stories than disney's idiotic hyper jumping from a planet's surface while somehow causing no damage
Rogue One did it first in live action, and the space whales warped away with Thrawn's stardestroyer in Rebels.
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It's been a thing for decades. They had starships specifically to make artificial gravity wells to trap rebels. It makes for far more interesting stories than disney's idiotic hyper jumping from a planet's surface while somehow causing no damage
This was retconned even earlier by TFA when the Falcon comes out of hyperspace inside a planet's atmosphere because it apparently now lets them pierce a planetary shield.
The planet's gravity well should have pulled them out long before that.
That's not how it even happened in the books, when the Lusankya busted out of Coruscant it headed straight for orbit before hyping out.
The New Republic gave it a clear path out when they realised what it was and how easily it would wipe the floor with their fleet if they tried to stop it.
It's not nonsense and was an interesting storyline. The Empire had been building it on the surface and eventually decided to cover it and make it a hidden prison. It stayed hidden and some of the main characters were imprisoned there without knowing where they were. The big reveal that it was on coruscant was a great oh shit moment. And no, it doesn't hyper away immediately like that
Yeah, in the setting Lusankya was rumored to be some super-secret blacksite prison where the Emperor kept all the people he really didn't want to ever be seen again, one of the protagonists of the X-Wing books gets nabbed by the head of Imperial Intelligence and shipped off there.
It's gradually revealed throughout the course of the book that the prison is underground, then that it's under Coruscant, and finally that it's actually a SSD that was built under the planet's surface as part of a huge mining facility & prison that then flees the system after the protagonist escapes & informs the New Republic.
The result of it breaking out from underneath the surface is pretty much the same as the clip, the next book has Rogue Squadron hunting it down independently of the Republic Army.
It's kind of fricking stupid but the characters in the book do go "how the frick did this even get built" several times, the consensus is either that the Emperor mind-fricked everyone to forget about it or that he just killed anyone who was involved with it or saw it.
Having said all that the X-Wing books are some of the best EU novels and are worth a read, the Lusankya breakout is arguably the dumbest thing in the series by far and it doesn't really get that stupid again.
This is also moronic because Im pretty sure that even regular Star Destroyers were said to be too big to be able to enter the atmospheres of planets. Also why they were all assembled in space yards. Frickin disney
probably a lot less than you think. if you're building something like that in secret, underground, but so close to the surface then you need to hide the activity which means doing it in an industrial zone to justify mass number of laborers and materials going to it. You also probably don't want real businesses directly above or around you on the off chance they feel a vibration from engine tests or get curious so you'd acquire the entire area and put up fronts which would also serve as justification for all that material and labor.
So, the only deaths would be workers who were there when it took off, anyone who wandered into their little restricted zone, any flying cars above it, and anything underneath it in the layers of the city planet that gets flattened as the debris falls back into the hole
Grand Admiral, in response for you concerns, we believe we have found numerous work arounds for your perceived issues with Imperial doctrine.
1) Those windows are as strong as the armor plating protecting the rest of your bridge, Admiral. Your lack of faith in our glorious Empire's engineers is most unbecoming. And the supposed issues with vertigo? Admiral? Have you tried using the dimmers? It's radial.
2) The quote/unquote "sheer size of our vessel" is well within the guidelines laid out in the Tarkin Doctrine. Your complaint is logged and will be considered during the next meeting of the admiralty. Dormatories maintained by indentured twi'lek females will be installed at rest stops along the main spine.
3) Which contractor was hired to do the plumbing and HVAC? Get in contact with Kuat Driveyards immediately. Bring me the heads of those responsible. And their families' heads too.
Blue milk and a bunch of those dish sticks Yoda doesnt like
I thought a couple regular sized Star destroyers was enough to land enough troops with air support to take a planet. Maybe not a big highly developed one, but run of the mill outer rim one?
I spent a few years on one of those
Really only need about 3000something to send it to sea, the remaining 2000 are the air wing and support for the planes and overpaid officers that do nothing
Obviously it is all fiction and rule of cool and whatnot but, the autist in me never got why the Empire built stuff like Super Star Destroyers and Death Stars. When it comes to the Death Star I don't see how blowing up planets really stops the rebellion considering the Rebel Alliance does not consist of rebelling planets - it is like using nukes to try and stop Islamic terrorism. They have no peer adversary that warrants a ship the size of a Super Star Destroyer. Even regular Star Destroyers (or the amount they have / reliance on them) seems questionable in their value of countering rebels, pirates and smugglers. Overall, the Empire seems like it would be better served by using all those resources in smaller capital ships, getting a greater number of vessels for the same amount of money.
Han says in the first movie that even 1,000 ships couldn't destroy a planet. Core Worlds like Alderaan have shielding which prevents traditional orbital bombardment. Planets could just rebel and live through several generations of blockades without an issue. The Death Star nullifies this potential. There is no escape.
Different anon, but again in ESB, you see the generators that power those shields, and it seems like a pretty big setup relative to the size of the rebel base.
EU sometimes talks about it(for instance, Zahn decided that Coruscant did indeed have a shield that encompassed the entire planet. But that was the fricking capital of everything for every government at the time), but don't usually mention stuff like power demands.
Inferring from the size of the generators that cover a rebellion base, ones that protect a whole planet must be a major fricking setup. I'd imagine they try to keep it down stragetically as small as they can. EX: if a big part of the planet is inhospitable and can't really be used for a staging area, they'd probably pull the shield back from there. But that's all guesswork.
Shields can be brought down by enough fire. During the Yuuzhan Vong war the Vong took captured refugee transports and crashed them into Coruscant's shields until they broke.
There seems to be 2 main types of shields in STAR WARS. Deflector and Ray.
Deflectors are what are usually used to protect ships, planets, persons, etc. They seem to operate like a combination of Trek and Dune shields. Slow enough objects can pass through them, but anything with enough kinetic force is deflected. Whether that be a physical object like an asteroid or projectile or energy like a blaster/laser bolt or lightsaber blade.
Ray shields seem to block everything and damage/disintegrate objects that collide with them. They seem to usually be used to block off dangerous areas. Like reactor cores, prison cells/blocks, ship/station based hangar bays(Blast Doors, Deflectors, Ray and Tractors). And to complement magnetically sealed doors(DS1 trash compactor). Pretty much any place where you want absolute control of what comes in or goes out is ray shielded.
>Han says in the first movie that even 1,000 ships couldn't destroy a planet.
Surely that was reference to Alderaan being obliterated. The Empire could orbital bombard or carpet bomb a planet and whilst that may not have destroyed=obliterated it that's the planet destroyed=ruined.
Its also a psychological weapon. If there is a dissident government in a planetary system, just park the Death Star on the outskirts or overtop of the planet blotting out the sun. With a single order, you're obliterated. Alderaan was "an effective demonstration." It was meant to send the message loud and clear who in charge was and that they were going to rule with the fear of force rather than have to use that force itself. The Death Star was mean tot be a mobile, clandestine boogeyman that would show up when needed to show the authority of the Emperor for all to see it, and it was a prototype superweapn of more immense and even more devastating things to come.
Are you joking or is this the first time you've even considered the fact that the movie about a giant super weapon capable of ending worlds made in the cold war is making a point about nuclear weapons?
I mean, if you stripped away the plot armor the rebels get the empire would be legit unstoppable, and all of this shit wouldn't seem like so big a waste. You're right though that it's a waste either way, because even if star destroyers were allowed to perform like they should in battle, there's no one anywhere that poses a threat to the empire anyway.
Tarkin himself all but says in the first fricking movie that the Death Star is a psychological weapon intended to keep systems from rebelling once word spreads that the Empire can just blow their planet up if they start shit.
It's why he blows up Alderaan despite Leia naming Dantooine as the rebel base, nobody cares about some nobody planet on the ass end of the galaxy, but nuking Alderaan makes a statement to the galaxy that no-one is safe from it.
At the point of ANH the Empire already claims dominion over the vast majority of the galaxy (outer rim notwithstanding), they don't give planets a choice if they want to join.
This shit is so dumb >two kids at recess >your toy is dead > Nah uh he has super death power and summers ten thousand warriors >well mine summons a million! And they have have dual laser swords and shoot nukes! So there!
The EU is dumb
It disappoints me that we have never really seen, besides briefly at the beginning of ROTS, full-on fleet-to-fleet action. The space battle in ROTJ never really gives the feel of massive ships blasting at each other.
The technical manual says: > >Enterprise is designed to support up to 5,000 (not 1,000) >At commissioning, only 35% of the interior space was shell space so specialized modules could be built for future missions
They say somrthing like 200,000 units with a million more on the way. Now when Lucas wrote it he probably meant unit to just mean individual clone. Yet, that number is moronic if they are to perform a galactic war, however as unit is somewhat vague you can just say that unit means X number. As
>200k sounds small if anything now.
I would look at it this way. If we round the Earth's population down to 7 billion, then if you were to conscript / get a volunteer force of just 2% then you are looking at 140,000,000 people in the military. Star Wars is a setting of countless planets.
A unit could be a single clone. Or it could be a fireteam, squad, battalion, etc. Even militarily, a Unit is kinda nebulous seeing as it's a team built for a specific purpose with specific needs with specific objectives. One unit of clones could be an infantry legion while another could be a commando unit (4 + Advisor/Intel officer).
why do they always pull up beside each other like pirate ships blasting each other with cannons when they could stay a solar system length apart if they wanted to?
Imperial vessels can canonically ram other starships like naval vessels, and that's part of the appeal. And by "smaller" you just mean less long. They're more voluminous by far. They easily have more area, and there are ships just as big or bigger like the Phalanx and it's sister star docks, Abyss-class ships, and I'm sure there are others escaping me at the moment. It's apples to oranges anyways, because SW ships fight in dagger distance, 40k ships don't have to do that.
An Executor is 19 kilometers long. An Abyss-class was 15 long, 4 wide, 5 in height / depth. I can't find the width for the Executors, but again, the big thing here is depth. They're no where near as deep as 5 kilometers. 40k ships also do things a lot of SW can't. Abyss-class are technically Chaos ships and use psyker weapons SW ships couldn't resist against, and the best ships of the Imperium, the oldest AdMech ships, are bigger than that and can do things like offensively warp space-time. The oldest AdMech ships also, unknowingly, use intelligent AI, and some of those contain intact STCs (just think of it as all known technology).
I'm generally of the opinion that the Warp would corrupt the Force basically instantly since significantly weaker entities have nearly killed or subverted it in canon, and that alone would theoretically kill or corrupt every being in the Star Wars universe. This would ultimately mean the whole Warp would likely enter the Star Wars real space, killing everyone.
Far enough. Like I said, I'm assume some big merger or portal. Enough corruption and the Warp would manifest through their corrupted souls or flesh and then surroundings. The Force to my knowledge is intrinsic to life much like the Warp. You can be null to then but you still have a presence in them.
Aside from the obvious ones like Thrawn and Pellaeon, Zsinj is the most interesting one for me because he tried to start his own Empire, forcing Imperial Remnant and New republic to work together to defeat him. Also he had shown cunning and strategy without going full superpower like Thrawn did.
Wraith Squadron books were kino
>Zsinj is introduced in Courtship of Leia as a generic imp that Han had fought before >Allston takes him and reinvents him into a dangerous warlord while keeping him in canon compliant
Wraith Squadron/Iron Fist/Solo Command is in the top 1% of all Star Wars material
>Zsinj is introduced in Courtship of Leia as a generic imp that Han had fought before >Allston takes him and reinvents him into a dangerous warlord while keeping him in canon compliant
Wraith Squadron/Iron Fist/Solo Command is in the top 1% of all Star Wars material
Zsinj was a great antagonist in the Squadron novels because he had one extremely powerful ship but was otherwise an underdog whose forces were stretched too thin. It made for a fun setup with him and the New Republic both using creative tactics against each other since neither side had enough forces to just overpower the other.
The Teradoc brothers are pretty funny but all of them have some charm, the Despoilers of an Empire articles are a good read on them if you want some entertainment.
https://web.archive.org/web/20170614210901/https://www.starwars.com/news/the-imperial-warlords-despoilers-of-an-empire-part-1
https://web.archive.org/web/20170614173909/https://www.starwars.com/news/the-imperial-warlords-despoilers-of-an-empire-part-2
https://web.archive.org/web/20170909121115/https://www.starwars.com/news/the-imperial-warlords-despoilers-of-an-empire-part-3
Frickkkkkk! I had almost t9tally forgotten about the Triclops. I think I only read the Glove of Vader book and I can only sort ofvremember but damn I want to read more of the old EU again..aaaaahhh muh nostalgia
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She was really great in Darksaber too. The author had to make her go full 'Let's attack and massacre Jedi children' because otherwise readers would've cheered for Imperials instead of Luke who was simping for a hundred year old Jedi
If we're counting that First Order new Death Star, probably that. That said, the strongest Star Wars starbase / star ship I'm aware of would have to be the Starforge by sheer volume it can produce.
Cant see them needing more than a few thousand crew given the amount of automation and driods in SW. Probably 20,000 or so crew and the same number of Storm troopers. SW was always a bit lame in that everything is crewed like its the 1940s.
And while I'm mostly defending 40k here, I should clarify SW has a lot of things of its own. I forget the name, but SW Legends has a material resistant enough that it survived a direct hit from the Death Star. It's just virtually none existent in the setting due to rarity. Someone like Nihilus would go far in either setting. Star Wars also has Abeloth, and she should be far stronger than Nihilus.
Because that's Heresy, and most people want to live regardless. Most souls are too weak to survive in the Warp without a body and they just depersonalize, melting away. Kind of like israeli Orthodox hell, if you're familiar with it. If you're strong enough however, you either hide in the light of the Emperor or you get eaten by demons.
I've been into 40K on and off since the 90s but apart from the lore aspects of suddenly introducing Space Marines 2.0 I don't get the fuzz. The design is still largely the same except for the collar. You have to get extremely detailed to notice things like the mouth grill, the power pack, boots, gauntlets, etc. because the general silhouette is basically the same.
>If it is so dangerous and so many people die constantly, do they just have women popping out and raising babies at birth factories? How does the population keep up? >The crew in the work galley is replenished by crew that has never seen the outside >How do they get Void Shields on new ships if they don't understand how they even work >If the Void Shields even flicker for a moment they are screwed? Like any minor malfunction and the ship is basically lost? >Did 40k steal this concept from Event Horizon about Hell when they enter warp? >I just don't see the overall sustainability if ships have such a high chance of not making it just from simple travel. Who builds all these ships?
Humanity's technological progress effectively halted after the age of technology so no one really knows how the machines work, they just have automated factories pop stuff out with schematics that date from times well before the Imperium
>If it is so dangerous and so many people die constantly, do they just have women popping out and raising babies at birth factories? How does the population keep up?
Imperium is like Space china. Shitty deaths are everywhere but there's always more to replenish >How do they get Void Shields on new ships if they don't understand how they even work
Mechanicus techs basically work by religiously following the instructions their predecessors have left. Even if they don't know the details it works if it is done in right order >Did 40k steal this concept from Event Horizon about Hell when they enter warp?
It's the opposite >I just don't see the overall sustainability if ships have such a high chance of not making it just from simple travel. Who builds all these ships?
Forge Worlds. Basically gigantic factory planets
>If it is so dangerous and so many people die constantly, do they just have women popping out and raising babies at birth factories? How does the population keep up?
On the largest ships yes. Many ships are big enough that they have entire slave populations living in the bilges >The crew in the work galley is replenished by crew that has never seen the outside
Yes >How do they get Void Shields on new ships if they don't understand how they even work
Technology is all created from 3D printer design documents that get plugged into planet sized 3D printers, inventing technology is heresy >If the Void Shields even flicker for a moment they are screwed? Like any minor malfunction and the ship is basically lost?
Yes >Did 40k steal this concept from Event Horizon about Hell when they enter warp?
Wh40k came out before event horizon >I just don't see the overall sustainability if ships have such a high chance of not making it just from simple travel.
That's the point >Who builds all these ships?
The emperor did in the long ago past, new ships can't be built for the most part, when they are gone they are gone forever
This is like 3% of Warp Travel outcomes, 1% is Daemons on board and everyone is fricked, 40% is probably people getting hallucinations, hearing voices or similar, the rest of it is normal travel or a little bit but not as much of that 40% unless:
1. You have unsanctioned psykers on board
2. the Gellar field is malfunctioning
3. You're doing it on purpose
>literally every sci fi thread that isn't 40k: "B-but muh 40k is more baddass!"
Just make a thread you glorious homosexuals. I like 40k too but this isn't a goddamn 40k thread.
Only primarchs I can see giving Vader a tough time are the psyker ones. Then it becomes a battle of who/what's metaphysically stronger. Vader and the Dark Side of the Force or a demigod with Warp powers. Emperor of Man, Magnus the Red and Grey Knights/Custodes would give him trouble or even outright beat him. It'd be interesting to see how blanks affect a Force Sensitive too. Could frick em up or could do nothing.
Don't. Frick off were full.
Also it's not good anymore, it's become a wannabe bargin bin marvel in space. Trust me it's not worth it anymore, what made 40k cool has been scrubbed out
Pretty much everything written lore wise after 2018
Dark imperiam part 1 and 2 was bretty good, but GW went full pozz shorty after. As an IP, GW despises WH40k and its would shitcan the entire series If they could, but it's the only thing keeping the company aflot, nobody cares about AoS.
You have a pozzed company straddled by a flagpole series about catholic space nazis fighting demon trannies, that ain't gonna fly with EGS. So they been slowly turning the whole thing into a marvel knockoff in space while scrubbing out every bit of grimdark and edgy/metal about it.
Also the HH is getting ridiculous with the filler. It has so much filler it would shame a 90s Shonen anime. They are unironcly dragging out the finale on the vengeful spirit scene into 3 60+ chapters books
For me, I just dove into the Lexicanum. I'm a sucker for sci fi weapon/armor tech descriptions. Which is one reason I'm still bummed no devs print Instruction Booklets for their games anymore. Started with bolters and lasguns. Then power armor and eventually different races, chapters, characters, etc etc.
Or just play Space Marine if you want a quick and dirty TPS dive into 40k. >play as a gigasmurf >have to stop an Ork invasion >Noooo! I must fight the demons! >then Titus was a zombie
I've been dreaming up a universe for tabletop homebrew that's basically advanced NASA scientists vs pirates. Like, real actual swashbuckling pirates. "NASA" (tentative name) have the science to perfect faster than light travel for the first time in history, but all of the resources are hoarded in pirate occupied space, leading to a conflict where individual pirate factions are trying to steal the FTL plans, while NASA need to somehow steal back the needed materials.
Does such a thing sound interesting? I've been basically obsessing over the idea
it's a big ship
For you
heh
HEH
for crew
why are you here
bump
>build a 3000 miles interstellar ship that just ends up shooting the same shitty inaccurate lasers
yamato and musashi both went down before they did anything meaningful
Is there a Japanese world in Star Wars?
Not apt in this case since the star wars ships also function as carriers and are therefore required anyway, ths combat in star wars just decides to be a spiritual clone to WW2 dogfighting so you have flak guns and fighters missing shots within 100 yards
In space, wouldn't the logistics of one giant ship be easier than multiple small ones?
the empire is british, and british battleships were unrivaled
From old lore, the star destroyers were built for patrolling/occupying the galaxy, so they needed to be able to work alone or in small numbers, and be able to overpower typical planetary rebel forces without complication. Which is also why they include fighters and ground forces on the standard capital ships.
Whereas in the new media we see a lot of smaller ships based on the premise that patrolling isn't for ISDs, even though invariably the pirates or rebel frigates you'd think they'd be good against end up trouncing them.
Part of it is people can't conceptualise heroic guerrilla warfare taking place on the scale such that the rebels have impersonal capital ships instead of purely one-man fighters.
But when it's planetary economies and interstellar distances at play, you start to see the sense in the empire needing to garrison most of its planets with forces stronger than typical planetary economies could support.
yeah, what the frick? Like, as of the first three movies, the Death Star had a laser that could literally destroy an Earth-sized planet in one shot. Fine. So what was the second-biggest laser? What were the weapon options between vaporizing 4 trillion tons of rock and shooting a single-seat fighter ten times in order to kill it?
Fleets fought each other repeatedly and none of the ships seemed to be carrying weapons that could destroy another ship of the same weight class. It was all ack-ack.
Fricking moronic
>what is psychological warfare?
"psychological warfare' doesn't have anything to do with the reason they never built any guns except fighter size and planet size, autismo
Maybe wake up tomorrow a little less moronic
A strategy that clearly fails. Super Star Destroyers or even regular Star Destroyers did little to prevent rebellion. That's the point people make about the how the Empire would have been wiser to build ships capable of actually tackling the rebels. Just look at how Star Destroyers aren't able to catch or destroy the Falcon: something that represents how much of the Rebel Alliance consisted of small, fast ships that engaged in hit and run tactics. The Empire didn't need all these massive ships, for they didn't deter the threat or were able to counter it.
>Super Star Destroyers or even regular Star Destroyers did little to prevent thr good guys winning in a fictional scenario where the outcome is pre-determined by omnipotent goddess George Lucas
Anon, that approach to these things is even more autistic then just regular autistic thought experimenting it.
>goddess
George, you will never be a woman.
you mean pseudological warfare
Shut the frick up
>ermmm this movie about spaceships and magic isn’t he king logical (I learned that from my favorite YouTube video essayist btw)
Star Trek just attracts the worst most moronic homosexual moron on the planet Millenials like you should be executed
They're more for transport/deploying tie fighters and shit. It's like complaining that an air craft carrier doesn't have good weapons.
Ahem
The Empire was a jobs creation program
>It's Vader having to listen to another lecture by Sidious on the value of Keynesian economics.
>Empire is destroyed after their super weapons leaves the whole galaxy in massive debt and hyperinflation while some rabble that can capitalize money from free enterprises takes over
so just like every country that tried Keynesian economics
>most stable regime in the whole galaxy among the ages is literal ancapistan Jabba
makes you think
>ancapistan
Hardly. It's a mafia cartel.
Keep the working population in jobs and just above the poverty line and they'll be happy
Impressive for a piece of machinery the length and near-width of Manhattan Island.
>And what is the benefit of a super star destroyer over a regular star destroyer
>er... er... er.... [force chokes you]
it's badass, thats why
what's that from?
>what's that from?
Thrawn Trilogy EU books.
With the Executor being Vaders flagship moronation and failure wasnt tolerated and competence rewarded. It was seen as a quick way for promotion, so when it went down at Endor it killed such a large percentage of the empires elite cadet and young officer corp that it never recovered.
ty
maybe don't put all of your best people on a single ship during war?
Well, what happened was literally impossible if not for Lucas just deciding that the ship needed to explode to be out of the way, just like Boba Fett needed to get tossed into the Sarlaac.
It was a case of all the best and brightest getting transfers because they knew they would be rewarded for theyre competence.
maybe don't design a ship that can be cripped by nine elevening the giant obvious target sticking out of the hull?
at least have a backup bridge FFS
I'm sure there is supposed to be a secondary bridge in Star Destroyers lorewise
Palpatine was using battle meditation to super charge his forces so when he died the shock stunned them at the exact moment the Executor's main bridge went down. Keep in mind that Home One and the rest of the fleet were focusing their fire on the Executor
There was but remember:
>Ackbar ordered the entire fleet to focus fire the SSD, not just fighters, EVERY SHIP IN THE REBEL FLEET WAS HAMMERING THE EXECUTOR
>rebels crippled shield generator with bombing run on one of the projector towers while EVERY OTHER SHIP IN THE REBEL FLEET HAMMERED THEM
>every particle of shit was hitting every blade of every fan when the A-Wing snackbarred himself into the bridge
>secondary command crew was already fricked before they could assume command
Maybe try watching movies instead of making up hyperbolic bullshit.
Talk about putting all your eggs in one basket.
think of the jobs!
thats why the rebels in the ot were fricking gay. the 2nd death star was an active construction site that undoubtedly had thousands of plumbers, electricians, welders, etc. when they blew it up all they did was kill a shitload of contactors. those israelites probably owned stock in the competition.
Really makes you think
>Characters who didn't get punched in the face enough.
an entire planetary invasion force on one ship
>mobile refueling / rearming other fleets
>enough troops and crafts aboard to hold almost any system solo
>Tarkin Doctrine: Everything has to be big, intimidating and scary
So, Imperator/Imperial Star Destroyers were designed with important lessons learned from the Clone Wars. They are heavy weight capital ships that can subdue fleets, can conduct planetary invasions because they have prefabricated bases and entire garrisons inside and they carry a healthy amount of fighters/bombers/support craft. They're typically suppose to guard systems and maybe sectors.
A Super Star Destroyer oversees entire sectors or Oversectors. They can do everything and more of a regular star destroyer. But they're typically flagships or used for coordination, resupply and function as a mobile base. During the Mid Rim disaster, they functioned as mobile bases as Imperial task forces isolated and destroyed Rebel groups. There's a reason Ackbar focused on taking out the Executor. It was decimating the Rebel fleet at Endor and causing more damage than even the Death Star.
Hope this helps.
When the Emperor built a fleet of Star Destroyers all armed with Death Star rays, where did he find the men to staff the ships?
By OP's #s and my math, he'd need like 500 million people?
>where did he find the men to staff the ships?
They had over 30 years of time to rebuild and recruit. In a galaxy of trillions, 500 million is not a lot. That literally could be one sector or less. Automation was also a big thing considering the Confederacy mostly didnt even bother with organic crews to pilot their ships.
I guess. But I was thinking more from a recruiting standpoint.
Star Wars never took the time to show how the Empire builds and rebuilds their armies. With clones, you can write that off. But they have to recruit and vet 500 million soldiers? Impossible.
>But they have to recruit and vet 500 million soldiers? Impossible.
On Earth? Yes. In a galaxy where an average planet is Earth in population, it's not impossible. Plus the galaxy has been at war more or less since Naboo so getting vets isnt hard. There's a lot to take from the ST but the numbers arent ridiculous. Explaining Starkiller breaks my suspension of disbelief.
None of that is even mentioned in the films.
The films have always just done a bunch of random shit that looks cool while doing the bare minimum to have it make sense. George himself was constantly retconning or misunderstanding his own lore. Anytime someone says something about Star Wars background lore that makes the setting sound somewhat coherent, there is 99% chance it's just some fan's headcanon or it's EU material that will be made obsolete when the next movie contradicts it.
So? That has nothing to do with what he asked. He asked the purpose of a Star Destroyer and Super Star Destroyer. There's not a lot of Sci-fi or films in general that stop and give a completely detailed overview of what something does and doesnt do. MANY times, supplemental material comes out before the film for the superfans. Because exposition is boring. Star Wars is no exception to this.
The only thing you said correct was rule of cool was at play. All the other stuff about Lucas is just incorrect. This franchise goes over 30 years and ideas and plans come and go this is for any long time franchise. He's not misunderstanding himself, he had a completely different perceptive at 60 vs being 30. Every filmmaker in history talks about how they would tweak or change their prior works. Lucas is one of the few who has done it. Ridley Scott went on a rant about how Alien is too long and he would clean it up if he could.
Look up the Tarkin Initiative
>Population of Manhattan: 1.69 million
200k sounds small if anything now.
>200k sounds small if anything now.
I would look at it this way. If we round the Earth's population down to 7 billion, then if you were to conscript / get a volunteer force of just 2% then you are looking at 140,000,000 people in the military. Star Wars is a setting of countless planets.
thats a dumb figure because its counting children, the elderly, and women.
if you want an actual realistic idea of a military earth's population can support, just count its actual military service men (pro-tip, its around 64 million total)
Manhattan is not a single government facility focused on war
Yeah, but if there were only 200k of them, the place would be a fricking ghost town.
bro, this place is jammed packed every fricking where. We get constant resources shipped to us. a ship couldn't sustain this pop.
t. Manhattanite
How small is your pod?
I overpay for a fricking shoebox
>Impressive for a piece of machinery the length and near-width of Manhattan Island
is that the thing on the moon we're not supposed to talk about?
Also, Central Park was stolen from African American ex-slaves.
>Have developed hyper space travel
>Planet destroying super lasers
>Interstellar travel
>Hard light technology
>cloning
>magic powers
All guns are manually pointed and fired
lol. lmao.
Plus they have super smart droids that plot hyperspace travel for them, but don't help them shoot accurately
Let's be fair, the franchise was created nearly 50 years ago when those concepts weren't widely known. People thought physical media would still be a thing in the future up until the 2010s
moron
Physical media has in no way been replaced. The cloud isn’t magic.
Don’t be autistic, when people refer to physical media there’s an implicit acknowledgment that it refers to a sense of general tactility.
I’m not sure how a hard drive lacks a sense of general tactility.
It isn’t “general” or “common” because most people don’t physically interact with it
Who are these “most people?” Are you talking about video games and movies? I thought we were talking about science-fiction here, and how they use crystals and discs and stuff for data. Anyone outside of a consumer streaming Netflix still uses physical media.
you stupid fricking inbred moron radar aimed weapons were fielding since mid-ww2
and clones
Canonically, an AI became sentient on the death star and was going to genocide humans, and the only reason it didn't was because it decide to lower the death star shields after feeling true emotions from the Force. This is canon secondary material.
Star Wars is best when played as pure Science Fantasy, leaving those elements out.
wasn't just any AI it was IG-88 having uploaded himself into the Death Star and playing pranks of Sheev opening and closing his doors
Didn't realize it was old 88. Huh. But yeah, Star Wars is best IMO when it ignores a lot of these things.
For me, it was the time IG-88 uploaded his programming to the DSII and used that immense power to frick with Sheev.
>>Hard light technology
You mean lightsabers connecting with each other?
>All guns are manually pointed and fired
They have forgetting computers. Luke turns his off to blow up the Death Star.
both the crew compliment and length dwarfs 40K Imperium ships. That surprises me.
Imperiam ships in 40k are not very advanced compared to others. Their method of FTL for example is extremely inefficient and dangerous
The empire could beat the imperiam when it comes to ship to ship fights , even if on average SW ships are smaller.
No they could not. A single broadside would cripple most SW ships.
Bullshit. Average turbolaser is rated in gigatons. Not only that but you have deflector, particle, thermal, and ray shields protecting most ships. Not only that but SW would outrange them. they're visual for the movies but ships like the venator can shoot from parsecs
>Thrawn talking about how it wasnt the destruction of both deaths stars that killed the empire in the long run it was actually the Executor going down which did it
Pure kino.
He wasn't really pointing out anything that General Tagge didn't already point out.
it's pretty much NYC up on that b***h.
i'd like a buddy cop show that takes place on the executor - i bet you there's all sorts of illegal shit going on up in there.
Think again. Every surface is polished and every man accounted for and at his station. Mouse droids will root out any aberration.
The Empire has no idea how to automate anything, even tho they have human like AI and purpose built robots out the ass.
Back when I was writing fanfic filler stories to our SW rpg group of Imperial pilots, I tried to make the massive starships more realistic from a logistical point. Looking back, I should have saved all those texts and push for making a good SW space RTS game.
star trek is so gay
We could have had based double super star destroyer battle over Coruscant but nooooo, "EU bad"
I guess having spaceships broadside each other like its Master & Commander is kinda cool, but I think Macross did space combat better.
macross is shit
star wars fans are so fricking gay
straighter than you troony
Blentus fritters.
Lusankya was pure kino
But the pic is not set in Coruscant anyway
How much paint / trillions of sw dollars do you think it took to paint those rebel symbols on the sides of the ship?
Prolly a lot than we can imagine. I remember in Hand of Thrawn books, Booster Terrik, the smuggler who had a Star Destroyer of his own, took red paint enough to paint the entire thing red from New Republic as a reward for his participation in their campaign, because his budget alone couldn't afford it.
But it does look cool
>Big white ship named the "Supremist."
Bravo ryan
It was the Supremacy
And the Holdo maneuver destroyed the right wing of the ship
hint hint
I SAID FRICKING HINT HINT
Pottery
Or a super star destroyer that was built underneath the city of Coruscant suddenly lifting off and destroying tons of buildings
Was there anyone in the EU more moronic than Isard, maybe Borsk Fey'lya
>Isard gets Lusankya
>Loses it without ever using it properly
>Daala gets Knight Hammer
>Loses it without ever using it properly
>Zsinj gets Iron Fist
>Sets up his own empire
Lesson learned: Never trust women with great powers
I would love a strategy game where you play as a Imperial warlord. I want a cross between Empire at War and Crusader Kings.
Thrawn's Revenge mod is the best we can get. I doubt anyone would make a new Star Wars RTS
We almost got Empire At War 2 but EA said no
Pretty awesome until the end. Why do they always think they can hyper jump in atmosphere and gravity?
>Star Wars autists actually expect the one sci-fi franchise where rule of cool is held above all else to actually be remotely consistent in its physics
Yes, that's how suspension of disbelief works. You break it when you break a rule you yourself established.
Because the Disney movies completely fricked the logic of space travel in Star Wars.
The novel from 1977 clearly states that the Falcon had to get some distance to Tatooine otherwise the planet's gravity would prevent the jump to lightspeed.
It's been a thing for decades. They had starships specifically to make artificial gravity wells to trap rebels. It makes for far more interesting stories than disney's idiotic hyper jumping from a planet's surface while somehow causing no damage
Rogue One did it first in live action, and the space whales warped away with Thrawn's stardestroyer in Rebels.
This was retconned even earlier by TFA when the Falcon comes out of hyperspace inside a planet's atmosphere because it apparently now lets them pierce a planetary shield.
The planet's gravity well should have pulled them out long before that.
It's just a fan film, not a lore accurate shenanigans. In the book Lusankya jumps after it gets out of the atmosphere
Is that a hyperspace jump or how fast these ships are? We see in the films these guys going from ground to atmosphere in minutes
That's not how it even happened in the books, when the Lusankya busted out of Coruscant it headed straight for orbit before hyping out.
The New Republic gave it a clear path out when they realised what it was and how easily it would wipe the floor with their fleet if they tried to stop it.
This nonsense happens in the EU?
The EU is dumber than Disneywars could ever hope to be. Every single stupid thing about it was done many times in the EU and usually much worse.
It's not nonsense and was an interesting storyline. The Empire had been building it on the surface and eventually decided to cover it and make it a hidden prison. It stayed hidden and some of the main characters were imprisoned there without knowing where they were. The big reveal that it was on coruscant was a great oh shit moment. And no, it doesn't hyper away immediately like that
Yeah, in the setting Lusankya was rumored to be some super-secret blacksite prison where the Emperor kept all the people he really didn't want to ever be seen again, one of the protagonists of the X-Wing books gets nabbed by the head of Imperial Intelligence and shipped off there.
It's gradually revealed throughout the course of the book that the prison is underground, then that it's under Coruscant, and finally that it's actually a SSD that was built under the planet's surface as part of a huge mining facility & prison that then flees the system after the protagonist escapes & informs the New Republic.
The result of it breaking out from underneath the surface is pretty much the same as the clip, the next book has Rogue Squadron hunting it down independently of the Republic Army.
It's kind of fricking stupid but the characters in the book do go "how the frick did this even get built" several times, the consensus is either that the Emperor mind-fricked everyone to forget about it or that he just killed anyone who was involved with it or saw it.
Having said all that the X-Wing books are some of the best EU novels and are worth a read, the Lusankya breakout is arguably the dumbest thing in the series by far and it doesn't really get that stupid again.
Star Wars is moronic
This is also moronic because Im pretty sure that even regular Star Destroyers were said to be too big to be able to enter the atmospheres of planets. Also why they were all assembled in space yards. Frickin disney
Lusankya busting out of coruscant is an EU thing...
why all the ISDs?
wedge and crew were in Z95s too
Realistically, how much damage and death would this be?
probably a lot less than you think. if you're building something like that in secret, underground, but so close to the surface then you need to hide the activity which means doing it in an industrial zone to justify mass number of laborers and materials going to it. You also probably don't want real businesses directly above or around you on the off chance they feel a vibration from engine tests or get curious so you'd acquire the entire area and put up fronts which would also serve as justification for all that material and labor.
So, the only deaths would be workers who were there when it took off, anyone who wandered into their little restricted zone, any flying cars above it, and anything underneath it in the layers of the city planet that gets flattened as the debris falls back into the hole
This clip absolutely makes no sense and why i can only rewatch Star Wars and Empire Strikes Back. Thats it.
you have no idea how unfathomably moronic the expanded star wars lore is
That's a fan film
Post yfw you feel your office rise fifty meters into the air before crashing back down again
shit like this tells me that we could make a live action dbz or one punch man that would be so kino and fun
You are a big ship
>mogs your ship
Sounds kino
>destroyed on maiden voyage by hitting an asteroid
Grand Admiral, in response for you concerns, we believe we have found numerous work arounds for your perceived issues with Imperial doctrine.
1) Those windows are as strong as the armor plating protecting the rest of your bridge, Admiral. Your lack of faith in our glorious Empire's engineers is most unbecoming. And the supposed issues with vertigo? Admiral? Have you tried using the dimmers? It's radial.
2) The quote/unquote "sheer size of our vessel" is well within the guidelines laid out in the Tarkin Doctrine. Your complaint is logged and will be considered during the next meeting of the admiralty. Dormatories maintained by indentured twi'lek females will be installed at rest stops along the main spine.
3) Which contractor was hired to do the plumbing and HVAC? Get in contact with Kuat Driveyards immediately. Bring me the heads of those responsible. And their families' heads too.
4) Boc has been dispatched.
Signed,
High Inquisitor Jerec
SSD Vengeance
>Dormatories maintained by indentured twi'lek females will be installed at rest stops along the main spine.
>Government issued Twi'Lek slavegirlfriends
I will now fully support your totalitarian regime.
always a nice read
That's quite a small crew for the size of the ship.
Pic related has a crew of roughly 5,000, despite being less than 1% the size of the Executor.
What do they eat?
Americans, so probably each other's ass.
dinosaurs
Support ships resupply them while they're at sea.
what do the other guys eat?
It's just a big freighter with holds full of food and supplies, so that.
Ships biscuits
Blue milk and a bunch of those dish sticks Yoda doesnt like
I thought a couple regular sized Star destroyers was enough to land enough troops with air support to take a planet. Maybe not a big highly developed one, but run of the mill outer rim one?
Fish sticks*
MMMmmm! Tendies! Yes, hmmmMMMMM! Good boy points, well spent, I think. mmmm, yyYES! OH Hohohoho!
they have a huge kitchen and eat pretty good. it's really comfy to watch the YouTube videos of the workers cooking over 9000 meals.
The navy is actually something like majority gay, so semen unironically.
fish
Ice cream
I spent a few years on one of those
Really only need about 3000something to send it to sea, the remaining 2000 are the air wing and support for the planes and overpaid officers that do nothing
seamen
5000 my ass, I can see like 12 people on deck there and even that looks crowded
>heh nothing personal kid-ARGGHGHGHHHHHGH
Ackbar Ackbar
Obviously it is all fiction and rule of cool and whatnot but, the autist in me never got why the Empire built stuff like Super Star Destroyers and Death Stars. When it comes to the Death Star I don't see how blowing up planets really stops the rebellion considering the Rebel Alliance does not consist of rebelling planets - it is like using nukes to try and stop Islamic terrorism. They have no peer adversary that warrants a ship the size of a Super Star Destroyer. Even regular Star Destroyers (or the amount they have / reliance on them) seems questionable in their value of countering rebels, pirates and smugglers. Overall, the Empire seems like it would be better served by using all those resources in smaller capital ships, getting a greater number of vessels for the same amount of money.
Han says in the first movie that even 1,000 ships couldn't destroy a planet. Core Worlds like Alderaan have shielding which prevents traditional orbital bombardment. Planets could just rebel and live through several generations of blockades without an issue. The Death Star nullifies this potential. There is no escape.
Does shielding in Star Wars stop troop landing?
It would see so. In ESB they mention there's a shield protecting a section of the planet Hoth. So they had to land their troops beyond the shield.
How was the Clone Wars fought then? Do planetary shields only ever cover part of a planet?
Different anon, but again in ESB, you see the generators that power those shields, and it seems like a pretty big setup relative to the size of the rebel base.
EU sometimes talks about it(for instance, Zahn decided that Coruscant did indeed have a shield that encompassed the entire planet. But that was the fricking capital of everything for every government at the time), but don't usually mention stuff like power demands.
Inferring from the size of the generators that cover a rebellion base, ones that protect a whole planet must be a major fricking setup. I'd imagine they try to keep it down stragetically as small as they can. EX: if a big part of the planet is inhospitable and can't really be used for a staging area, they'd probably pull the shield back from there. But that's all guesswork.
Shields can be brought down by enough fire. During the Yuuzhan Vong war the Vong took captured refugee transports and crashed them into Coruscant's shields until they broke.
There seems to be 2 main types of shields in STAR WARS. Deflector and Ray.
Deflectors are what are usually used to protect ships, planets, persons, etc. They seem to operate like a combination of Trek and Dune shields. Slow enough objects can pass through them, but anything with enough kinetic force is deflected. Whether that be a physical object like an asteroid or projectile or energy like a blaster/laser bolt or lightsaber blade.
Ray shields seem to block everything and damage/disintegrate objects that collide with them. They seem to usually be used to block off dangerous areas. Like reactor cores, prison cells/blocks, ship/station based hangar bays(Blast Doors, Deflectors, Ray and Tractors). And to complement magnetically sealed doors(DS1 trash compactor). Pretty much any place where you want absolute control of what comes in or goes out is ray shielded.
>Han says in the first movie that even 1,000 ships couldn't destroy a planet.
Surely that was reference to Alderaan being obliterated. The Empire could orbital bombard or carpet bomb a planet and whilst that may not have destroyed=obliterated it that's the planet destroyed=ruined.
They could bombard a planet like Tatooine that didn't have a shield, but not a modern Core World like Alderaan or Coruscant.
Its also a psychological weapon. If there is a dissident government in a planetary system, just park the Death Star on the outskirts or overtop of the planet blotting out the sun. With a single order, you're obliterated. Alderaan was "an effective demonstration." It was meant to send the message loud and clear who in charge was and that they were going to rule with the fear of force rather than have to use that force itself. The Death Star was mean tot be a mobile, clandestine boogeyman that would show up when needed to show the authority of the Emperor for all to see it, and it was a prototype superweapn of more immense and even more devastating things to come.
they say in the movie it's mean to inspire fear to keep everyone in line. That's why it being blown to frick and back was a huge blow to the Empire.
Its almost like Lucas was making some point about nuclear weapons in his movie inspired by the Vietcong resistance to American imperialism
Yes because the Vietcong were in danger of being nuked.
Nixon deliberately fostered "the mad bomber" persona as an intimidation strategy.
I guarantee you some of the us high command wanted to nuke them - just look at MacArthur and Korea
I really hope not, because then I'd lose a good portion of what little respect I have left for him for being such a fricking moron.
Are you joking or is this the first time you've even considered the fact that the movie about a giant super weapon capable of ending worlds made in the cold war is making a point about nuclear weapons?
i mean do you really need a fricking moon shooting doom lazers to get the point across? with a nuke you keep everyone in line. less is more etc.
Was there anyone in the Empire with the view of this anon?
Wasn't Thrawn arguing something like that?
The empire grew out of the republic.
I mean, if you stripped away the plot armor the rebels get the empire would be legit unstoppable, and all of this shit wouldn't seem like so big a waste. You're right though that it's a waste either way, because even if star destroyers were allowed to perform like they should in battle, there's no one anywhere that poses a threat to the empire anyway.
Tarkin himself all but says in the first fricking movie that the Death Star is a psychological weapon intended to keep systems from rebelling once word spreads that the Empire can just blow their planet up if they start shit.
It's why he blows up Alderaan despite Leia naming Dantooine as the rebel base, nobody cares about some nobody planet on the ass end of the galaxy, but nuking Alderaan makes a statement to the galaxy that no-one is safe from it.
>Join us, we'll protect you
>From what?
>From what we'll do if you don't join us
The Empire's pretty stupid ngl
At the point of ANH the Empire already claims dominion over the vast majority of the galaxy (outer rim notwithstanding), they don't give planets a choice if they want to join.
>Death Star has a crew of 31.6 million
Luke is a war criminal
>they still make these books for the new movies
>they are disgusting digital art
>Luke killed 31.6 million more people than the Holocaust
By that logic he killed the same amount of people as the holocaust.
>By that logic he killed the same amount of people as the holocaust.
Underrated /misc/st.
Star has a crew of 31.6 million
so the Death Star is what Pas built for his people? What did the Desth Star's Long Sun look like?
This shit is so dumb
>two kids at recess
>your toy is dead
> Nah uh he has super death power and summers ten thousand warriors
>well mine summons a million! And they have have dual laser swords and shoot nukes! So there!
The EU is dumb
It disappoints me that we have never really seen, besides briefly at the beginning of ROTS, full-on fleet-to-fleet action. The space battle in ROTJ never really gives the feel of massive ships blasting at each other.
Well there's Rogue One, but I really felt nothing from that scene except söyfacing at the prequel sound effects
The fact that I forgot about it goes to say how underwhelming it was.
This is why trek is superior
Most of the Enterprise-D is empty space nobody uses.
Waste of time using non-canon blueprints.
The technical manual says:
>
>Enterprise is designed to support up to 5,000 (not 1,000)
>At commissioning, only 35% of the interior space was shell space so specialized modules could be built for future missions
When the bridge got taken out their was like no auxiliary control area? Like there was not a single redundancy for this?
No, if the Death Star’s exhaust port is any indication, the Empire loves a big basket of eggs
>it's like that thing that I already know, except bigger
How many troopers were in the clone army?
Trick question. 1, it was just Jango Fett
They say somrthing like 200,000 units with a million more on the way. Now when Lucas wrote it he probably meant unit to just mean individual clone. Yet, that number is moronic if they are to perform a galactic war, however as unit is somewhat vague you can just say that unit means X number. As
points out there should be huge numbers fighting.
A unit could be a single clone. Or it could be a fireteam, squad, battalion, etc. Even militarily, a Unit is kinda nebulous seeing as it's a team built for a specific purpose with specific needs with specific objectives. One unit of clones could be an infantry legion while another could be a commando unit (4 + Advisor/Intel officer).
what do they eat?
why do they always pull up beside each other like pirate ships blasting each other with cannons when they could stay a solar system length apart if they wanted to?
Starship captains in Star Wars are all about that aesthetic. Only a utter scruffy barbarian and coward would do otherwise.
A solar system is like 5 hours across at the speed of light, what would you shoot at?
Clocks.
Does it facilitate its own currency? 200 000 personnel could easily maintain the infrastructure of a micro nation
Lol warhammer would decimate star wars
Imperial vessels are smaller than the Executor
Imperial vessels can canonically ram other starships like naval vessels, and that's part of the appeal. And by "smaller" you just mean less long. They're more voluminous by far. They easily have more area, and there are ships just as big or bigger like the Phalanx and it's sister star docks, Abyss-class ships, and I'm sure there are others escaping me at the moment. It's apples to oranges anyways, because SW ships fight in dagger distance, 40k ships don't have to do that.
40k ships literally have battering rams, no?
Not all, but some of them. They have to be designed like that to survive it, obviously. The bigger vessel the more likely.
An Executor is 19 kilometers long. An Abyss-class was 15 long, 4 wide, 5 in height / depth. I can't find the width for the Executors, but again, the big thing here is depth. They're no where near as deep as 5 kilometers. 40k ships also do things a lot of SW can't. Abyss-class are technically Chaos ships and use psyker weapons SW ships couldn't resist against, and the best ships of the Imperium, the oldest AdMech ships, are bigger than that and can do things like offensively warp space-time. The oldest AdMech ships also, unknowingly, use intelligent AI, and some of those contain intact STCs (just think of it as all known technology).
Don't be a muh franchise would beat this franchise gay.
I'm generally of the opinion that the Warp would corrupt the Force basically instantly since significantly weaker entities have nearly killed or subverted it in canon, and that alone would theoretically kill or corrupt every being in the Star Wars universe. This would ultimately mean the whole Warp would likely enter the Star Wars real space, killing everyone.
How do you move the warp from our galaxy to the GFFA?
>GFFA
Por qui? No understand. I'm assuming kn this scenario both settings are met half way, so to speak.
"Galaxy Far Far Away" because they don't have a name like we have Milky Way.
Far enough. Like I said, I'm assume some big merger or portal. Enough corruption and the Warp would manifest through their corrupted souls or flesh and then surroundings. The Force to my knowledge is intrinsic to life much like the Warp. You can be null to then but you still have a presence in them.
to them*
Forgive typos, I'm out and about.
You can't even beat Mobile Suits.
Goku would decimate warhammer
Goku died to a heart virus
Nurgle stomps
>Has to manually reload naval cannons
Lol
Lmao
People familiar with the EU, what are some interesting Imperial warlords?
Darth Vader is a good one
Aside from the obvious ones like Thrawn and Pellaeon, Zsinj is the most interesting one for me because he tried to start his own Empire, forcing Imperial Remnant and New republic to work together to defeat him. Also he had shown cunning and strategy without going full superpower like Thrawn did.
Wraith Squadron books were kino
>Zsinj is introduced in Courtship of Leia as a generic imp that Han had fought before
>Allston takes him and reinvents him into a dangerous warlord while keeping him in canon compliant
Wraith Squadron/Iron Fist/Solo Command is in the top 1% of all Star Wars material
Zsinj was a great antagonist in the Squadron novels because he had one extremely powerful ship but was otherwise an underdog whose forces were stretched too thin. It made for a fun setup with him and the New Republic both using creative tactics against each other since neither side had enough forces to just overpower the other.
What about that Black Female Admiral?
The Teradoc brothers are pretty funny but all of them have some charm, the Despoilers of an Empire articles are a good read on them if you want some entertainment.
https://web.archive.org/web/20170614210901/https://www.starwars.com/news/the-imperial-warlords-despoilers-of-an-empire-part-1
https://web.archive.org/web/20170614173909/https://www.starwars.com/news/the-imperial-warlords-despoilers-of-an-empire-part-2
https://web.archive.org/web/20170909121115/https://www.starwars.com/news/the-imperial-warlords-despoilers-of-an-empire-part-3
for me, it's Admiral Daala
Tarkin's autistic waifu?
well, there was the three eyed son and heir of palpatine...
Frickkkkkk! I had almost t9tally forgotten about the Triclops. I think I only read the Glove of Vader book and I can only sort ofvremember but damn I want to read more of the old EU again..aaaaahhh muh nostalgia
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She really did win me over with her autistic sperg out when she left the Maw installation.
She was really great in Darksaber too. The author had to make her go full 'Let's attack and massacre Jedi children' because otherwise readers would've cheered for Imperials instead of Luke who was simping for a hundred year old Jedi
What's the biggest ship in Star Wars? Be that Disney or Extended Universe canon.
Eclipse maybe? There's also Viscount class New Republic used in Yuuzhan Vong war
If we're counting that First Order new Death Star, probably that. That said, the strongest Star Wars starbase / star ship I'm aware of would have to be the Starforge by sheer volume it can produce.
>Sun Crusher shows up in system
>nothing personels the sun you're sucking
>Forge gets nova'd
Death Star 2 Electric Boogaloo
Reylo
Nice.
I'm trying to imagine the logistics and resupply for something like this.
>ship the size of a city loses all power when a fighter the size of a car hits it
Throw a car at the hoover dam fast enough an 1/4 of the entire US loses power.
Well, that’s the US, so it’s somewhat understandable
c* lifornia is not the US
Cant see them needing more than a few thousand crew given the amount of automation and driods in SW. Probably 20,000 or so crew and the same number of Storm troopers. SW was always a bit lame in that everything is crewed like its the 1940s.
And while I'm mostly defending 40k here, I should clarify SW has a lot of things of its own. I forget the name, but SW Legends has a material resistant enough that it survived a direct hit from the Death Star. It's just virtually none existent in the setting due to rarity. Someone like Nihilus would go far in either setting. Star Wars also has Abeloth, and she should be far stronger than Nihilus.
You cats need to drop Star Wars and get yourself some 40k. Absolute Badassary!
why don't people just commit suicide in 40k
same reason people who worked 16 hour shifts 6 days a week in shitty factories during the 19th century didn't
Because that's Heresy, and most people want to live regardless. Most souls are too weak to survive in the Warp without a body and they just depersonalize, melting away. Kind of like israeli Orthodox hell, if you're familiar with it. If you're strong enough however, you either hide in the light of the Emperor or you get eaten by demons.
When the literal hell dimension is proven to exist?
Why did they ditch this iconic design and start giving spotlights only to Primarines or something which looks lame as frick?
I've been into 40K on and off since the 90s but apart from the lore aspects of suddenly introducing Space Marines 2.0 I don't get the fuzz. The design is still largely the same except for the collar. You have to get extremely detailed to notice things like the mouth grill, the power pack, boots, gauntlets, etc. because the general silhouette is basically the same.
It's not same without that angry helmet
I have so many questions
>If it is so dangerous and so many people die constantly, do they just have women popping out and raising babies at birth factories? How does the population keep up?
>The crew in the work galley is replenished by crew that has never seen the outside
>How do they get Void Shields on new ships if they don't understand how they even work
>If the Void Shields even flicker for a moment they are screwed? Like any minor malfunction and the ship is basically lost?
>Did 40k steal this concept from Event Horizon about Hell when they enter warp?
>I just don't see the overall sustainability if ships have such a high chance of not making it just from simple travel. Who builds all these ships?
Humanity's technological progress effectively halted after the age of technology so no one really knows how the machines work, they just have automated factories pop stuff out with schematics that date from times well before the Imperium
>If it is so dangerous and so many people die constantly, do they just have women popping out and raising babies at birth factories? How does the population keep up?
Imperium is like Space china. Shitty deaths are everywhere but there's always more to replenish
>How do they get Void Shields on new ships if they don't understand how they even work
Mechanicus techs basically work by religiously following the instructions their predecessors have left. Even if they don't know the details it works if it is done in right order
>Did 40k steal this concept from Event Horizon about Hell when they enter warp?
It's the opposite
>I just don't see the overall sustainability if ships have such a high chance of not making it just from simple travel. Who builds all these ships?
Forge Worlds. Basically gigantic factory planets
>If it is so dangerous and so many people die constantly, do they just have women popping out and raising babies at birth factories? How does the population keep up?
On the largest ships yes. Many ships are big enough that they have entire slave populations living in the bilges
>The crew in the work galley is replenished by crew that has never seen the outside
Yes
>How do they get Void Shields on new ships if they don't understand how they even work
Technology is all created from 3D printer design documents that get plugged into planet sized 3D printers, inventing technology is heresy
>If the Void Shields even flicker for a moment they are screwed? Like any minor malfunction and the ship is basically lost?
Yes
>Did 40k steal this concept from Event Horizon about Hell when they enter warp?
Wh40k came out before event horizon
>I just don't see the overall sustainability if ships have such a high chance of not making it just from simple travel.
That's the point
>Who builds all these ships?
The emperor did in the long ago past, new ships can't be built for the most part, when they are gone they are gone forever
>The emperor did in the long ago past, new ships can't be built for the most part, when they are gone they are gone forever
What are you talking about? Developing new kinds of ships maybe almost impossible but producing new ships following old design is still ongoing
This is like 3% of Warp Travel outcomes, 1% is Daemons on board and everyone is fricked, 40% is probably people getting hallucinations, hearing voices or similar, the rest of it is normal travel or a little bit but not as much of that 40% unless:
1. You have unsanctioned psykers on board
2. the Gellar field is malfunctioning
3. You're doing it on purpose
>literally every sci fi thread that isn't 40k: "B-but muh 40k is more baddass!"
Just make a thread you glorious homosexuals. I like 40k too but this isn't a goddamn 40k thread.
nice ship, would be a shame is someone hyperspace rammed it
1 in a million chance, sweaty
Come to think of it, that is something SW has over 40k.
could vader beat a primarch
Yeah, he is OP
Only primarchs I can see giving Vader a tough time are the psyker ones. Then it becomes a battle of who/what's metaphysically stronger. Vader and the Dark Side of the Force or a demigod with Warp powers. Emperor of Man, Magnus the Red and Grey Knights/Custodes would give him trouble or even outright beat him. It'd be interesting to see how blanks affect a Force Sensitive too. Could frick em up or could do nothing.
I know next to nothing about 40k but I started rogue trader because I like the studio and the lore seems interesting
best way to get into it?
Don't. Frick off were full.
Also it's not good anymore, it's become a wannabe bargin bin marvel in space. Trust me it's not worth it anymore, what made 40k cool has been scrubbed out
Fair enough, I'll finish the game when it fully releases and move on
>Also it's not good anymore, it's become a wannabe bargin bin marvel in space
When did this happen?
Pretty much everything written lore wise after 2018
Dark imperiam part 1 and 2 was bretty good, but GW went full pozz shorty after. As an IP, GW despises WH40k and its would shitcan the entire series If they could, but it's the only thing keeping the company aflot, nobody cares about AoS.
You have a pozzed company straddled by a flagpole series about catholic space nazis fighting demon trannies, that ain't gonna fly with EGS. So they been slowly turning the whole thing into a marvel knockoff in space while scrubbing out every bit of grimdark and edgy/metal about it.
Also the HH is getting ridiculous with the filler. It has so much filler it would shame a 90s Shonen anime. They are unironcly dragging out the finale on the vengeful spirit scene into 3 60+ chapters books
Dawn of War.
For me, I just dove into the Lexicanum. I'm a sucker for sci fi weapon/armor tech descriptions. Which is one reason I'm still bummed no devs print Instruction Booklets for their games anymore. Started with bolters and lasguns. Then power armor and eventually different races, chapters, characters, etc etc.
Or just play Space Marine if you want a quick and dirty TPS dive into 40k.
>play as a gigasmurf
>have to stop an Ork invasion
>Noooo! I must fight the demons!
>then Titus was a zombie
>>Crew: 200,000
>what the frick
they have to sacrifice psykers to the whatsit in order to function
>futuristic ships, FTL space travel, robots and artificial intelligent
>still have to manually aim guns and ship weapons
>OLD THING BUT BIGGER!!!!
>WOWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW
starslop customers are impressed by this
is it really smart to have a ship past a certain size
As far as I know currently an aircraft carrier like the Nimitz has a full crew of about 7000 when deployed.
So it's not that far fetched that a spaceship that's likely 100x larger has that number of people on board.
For me it's the New Republic Starhawk
>Tractorbeams you into pieces
gay, ugly and fanfictiony
>crew: like 8 space marines and Ripley
why does this shit look like it should house hundreds of people?
It’s a freighter. Fright trains in U.S. can be 7,000+ feet long in the U.S with most operating with only two crew
I've been dreaming up a universe for tabletop homebrew that's basically advanced NASA scientists vs pirates. Like, real actual swashbuckling pirates. "NASA" (tentative name) have the science to perfect faster than light travel for the first time in history, but all of the resources are hoarded in pirate occupied space, leading to a conflict where individual pirate factions are trying to steal the FTL plans, while NASA need to somehow steal back the needed materials.
Does such a thing sound interesting? I've been basically obsessing over the idea
Interesting
Just play StarSector.
>dies to 1 single fighter
>never even take out a single enemy ship
what great writing