Agreed: I thought he died when I first saw it, but now I'm pretty sure he lived.
Yeah K totally lived and then when he got better the police were all like :hey new change in policy it's okay if you have feelings and we're totally not going to ask about you going AWOL or your supervisor who vouched for you getting brutally murdered have a nice life" and then he got a call from Wallace Industries explaining that they had secret backups of everything and he could re-download JOI just the way she was and then a few years after that he bought her a physical body and she became a real girl and then they had kids even though that's not technically possible because Deckard's secret was actually the power of love all along
my mom asked me to try to pull out her rose that grew through a fence because she didn't want that beauty to be hidden and I accidentally broke it (the rose, although the fence is already in shambles)
>be Denis Villenueve >Love BR so much you make a sequel to it >even get Harrison Ford's cranky ass to come back >can finally give everyone the definitive answer of if Deckard was or was not a replicant >Have Wallace say "if" he was made
Its impossible to read the book and imagine how beautiful everything would be and then watch the movie and its all desaturated and presented as dully as possible but with "epic" wide shots that tell you youre looking at something important. Awful film.
Honestly, the best parts of the book are not the imagined visuals but the societal intrigue. The dinner scene of Book I is brilliant yet also completely unadaptable to film. On the other hand, the scene where Paul and Leto rescue the spice miners is very cinematic and I'm sure it's a centerpiece in the Villeneuve film.
The one prejudiced gripe I have going in is the race/gender swap of Kynes. Like come the frick on, it's just so tiresome. Kynes was a great character and there were already plenty of stronk womyn in the OG text. But I cannot imagine valuing Dune (the book) for its visual descriptions. Herbert had a good ear for dialogue and understanding of political psychology, but he wrote nothing spectacular about how Arrakis looked.
Heres the thing for me, if its all going to be relatively accurate and were really just discussing when or if certain scenes will be included, then really all there is to discuss is how the visual elements will be adapted and the first movie was ugly as frick and boring to look at so its a huge issue for me. I think the writing and performances were authentic and respectful to the book tho
I'm so happy he told the resistance losers to frick off after they saved him. I was worried the rest of the movie would be about them taking down Wallace and freeing the replicants or some gay shit.
What’s the fricking point, bros? Life is just a putrid waste of time. We have no choice in this stupid, cruel game but to play along and act like it isn’t some fricked up lottery from birth.
Im being dead honest with you brother. Read the book Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep, then rewatch Bladerunner and seriously analyze the WRITING MESSAGE of it, then do the same for 2049.
The conclusion you will come to, inevitably, is that the spark of humanity is divine and worth fighting for and all these fricking corporations want to kill you as soon as it fits into their schemes.
I didn't get that feeling from Ridley's Blade Runner, but 2049 definitely carried that PKD flame of gnostic rebellion.
Heres the thing for me, if its all going to be relatively accurate and were really just discussing when or if certain scenes will be included, then really all there is to discuss is how the visual elements will be adapted and the first movie was ugly as frick and boring to look at so its a huge issue for me. I think the writing and performances were authentic and respectful to the book tho
Well, I haven't seen it yet but I'd still argue that the writing and acting are more important than the set design and color grading. Plus, I liked the desaturated look of BR2049. Agree to disagree?
I think thats why reading the book is essential to get the full picture of how bladerunner is rather about positivity and love for humanity I dont like seeing how it makes people sad when they focus on the sad aspects.
A lot of that comes from the baggage attached to Ryan Gosling bro. Plus, PKD wasn't a writer who avoided ambiguity or despair: The best film adaptation of his work (picrel) is an incredible downer. Speaking as someone who went through a similar Christ-influenced mental break, I'm glad he never depicts faith as all sunshine and roses.
I agree 100% but in this movie the controlling forces and institutions are at fault, the protagonist is well meaning and pure hearted still. It can still be seen as a story about surpression of goodness. And the drugs themselves like lsd arent even bad but creating an enviornment where "bad trips" and brainwashing are encouraged is the problem. And yea having faith isnt all sunshine and roses when youre surrounded by actual satanic influences like we frankly see in Scanner Darkly. Maybe reading too much into it but im a fan.
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I don't think you're reading too much into it at all: In fact, I think you're spot-on. It's telling that A Scanner Darkly is PKD's first and last "normal" book after his experience in 1974, meaning that he had already come to terms with the Black Iron Prison.
It really is just a fricked-up world out there, huh?
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It really is fricked up but luckily the ending victory was written into the beginning. Also I would love to direct a film for Valis one day, im assuming you read it since you know about the "black iron prison" kek
I would love to make movies and lead to the point I could accurately depict valis, thats my life goal.
9 months ago
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I'm sure you could adapt VALIS interestingly and faithfully, even on a shoestring budget. I think it would lend itself easily to a guerilla form of filmmaking. No time like the present! [You can always remake it once you hit the big time...] >the ending victory was written into the beginning
God, I hope you're right. Also, checked.
9 months ago
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Thanks man you actually just made me rethink my whole approach to it and it IS something I could begin planning to do. Hell yes
Man reading Ubik while in inpatient was a trip. I was half expecting to find my name written on the last page with how doped up I was at the time. Never felt so relieved to know I wasn't alone in how I thought.
9 months ago
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Ubik is a beautiful, hopeful book. I'm glad you were comforted by it.
It's a sisyphus thing but way less extreme. But my take is that if one does not have/had a big objective, a perceived purpose or a strong commitment is much harder to relate to the positive message of stories like these, and fall back on the misery that comes with these decisions without having in sight the value of the act that came with them. As I do not have any of these, I understand the message, but cannot comprehend it.
Damn that makes a lot of sense given discussions I had about these stories here where I felt I wasnt connecting with the doomposting person I was talking to. nice and wishing you the best in the future.
I disagree that it's a Sisyphian thing — at least in the way Camus interpreted it — but I understand why you'd make that comparison. The questions of the original BR were "who's human and who's a replicant, and how can you tell the difference?" The question of BR2049, and it is quite explicit in asking this, is "are souls the kind of thing that can be obtained (or granted)?"
There are numerous allusions to Christ in the film, the most striking of which are K's possession of "a dead tree" (i.e., a cross) and the baptismal scene near the end of the movie (not to mention the "miracle" of the Incarnation). K's mission is more than some ironic punishment from vengeful or indifferent gods, it's an honest-to-God telos that pulls him toward goodness and justice.
I actually have the book but have never read it and have had it for like 10 years. Thanks anon, I honestly needed that. I truly believe that we all contribute something but I just feel like such a worthless piece of shit sometimes. Thanks for reading my blog
Its ok man we're all on the same side as science fiction fans. And people like philip k dick (think how many movies are based on his work) are preaching the new gospel in a way people like us can understand it. Thats my take anyway. I hope you do check the book out oh and also take care of yourself.
Thanks bro. I am. Not trying to waste this opportunity, going to make the best of it and find my meaning. Best of luck to you fren. I’ll give the book a read too. Need to finish blood meridian first (other anons ironically got me to read this as well.
This may seem random, but if you struggle with Blood Meridian, don't feel the need to finish it for the sake of finishing it. McCarthy (PBUH) is an Old Testament crypto-Catholic that has a very difficult worldview to reckon against. Blood Meridian is challenging in many ways and, despite becoming a meme on Cinemaphile, is not the best introduction to YeCarthy (which would be Suttree or Child of God) nor to Great American Literature (which would be Moby Dick or even Flannery O'Connor, if you still wanted some hard-faith Southern Catholicism).
Incidentally, I went through a long phase of not reading when I was a teen and PKD is what pulled me out of it.
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I am struggling a bit, but mainly because of the prose. The lack of quotation marks in the dialogue and free structure is kinda throwing me off a bit, but I’ve honestly been lazy with reading and haven’t read anything in a while since I was on an almost year long bender and am now sober. Honestly excited to get back into watching good movies and reading books again. I’ll check those other books out too.
Side note: but is Cinemaphile any good? Cinemaphile is hot garbage and I used to be a big Cinemaphile guy but never really explored Cinemaphile
9 months ago
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I'm a newbie, but i can say it's definitely better than Cinemaphile. You don't see much actual discussion about books; it's mostly philosophy pseuds who read a quote of Nietszche once and decide to make a thread about it. That or some meme book like Blood Meridian or Infinite Jest. That makes up 40-60% of new threads, with 20% being recs and the remaining actual book discussion. It's kinda disappointing, but at least it got me to pick up Moby Dick again, and discussions on normal books are somewhat decent
9 months ago
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Check out my struggle by Karl ove if you’re into memoirs. That’s one of the better books I’ve read in the last few years
9 months ago
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Oh I've actually seen this one mentioned once there. I'm not actually into autobiographies or memoirs right now, but I'll have it mind if I start with them. What do you like about it?
9 months ago
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Depending on how far in you are, the style should get easier to parse but it is tricky at first. The real heady stuff will be interpreting the symbols, of which the Mexican tarot scene is one of the simplest.
As for Cinemaphile, I haven't been a regular there in a few years. From my understanding, it's suffered the same fate as the rest of Cinemaphile: hyper-politicized and clogged up with shit. But I was around when Thomas Pynchon used to post and it was full of bright anons with a genuine passion for literature. It's still better than your average board, I'd assume — definitely better than Cinemaphile. >a big Cinemaphile guy
Is there any other kind? Funnily enough, Cinemaphile was my home board when I was deep into alcoholism. It's very comfy sometimes.
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Kek. Yeah the druk threads are fun over there and jaCinemaphile threads were always good. Jannies over there take it a little too serious at times tho
Oh I've actually seen this one mentioned once there. I'm not actually into autobiographies or memoirs right now, but I'll have it mind if I start with them. What do you like about it?
>what do you like about it
It’s very descriptive and the characters and places seem familiar even though I have no ties whatsoever to Norwegian culture. I also enjoyed the message of suffering from the banality of life and the mundane aspects of being a father, son and husband., but it’s written in a non pretentious and non self deprecating way. Journey into the night is probably my favorite book tho. Solid work
You may be a worthless piece of shit from the perspective of the elites handing out doggie treats, but the only truly worthless thing is their 'respect.' The more I've unplugged from the values that fuel this huge machine the better I've felt.
Everyone needs to read a book on story structure or screenwriting, you will understand ALL this in this video and look at films in a new way. I even found a book not specifically for film "writing for visual media" its important to start here because its a grass roots approach to understanding what youre even looking at on screen and how EVERYTHING is intentional to affect the subconscious or lull you into a state of perception.
I honestly saw this movie only for the literally me memes and to understand them, and i genuinely loved almost every part of it. But particularly about the [chair clattering] scene, what I find somewhat ironic, is the actual reason for K's rage, contrasted to its use in memes. In the movie K rages because of someone elses's memories (that he at the moment thinks are real) which makes him feel robbed and manipulated into thinking he is a replicant.
However, the meme use is mostly in context of feeling heartbroken, because we are also seeing someone else's memories or life experiences, usually about being loved by someone else.
We DO know those aren't our memories, which causes our pain.
K DOESN'T know those aren't his memories, which also causes him to rage
It's quite depressing to think about. Even so, I dare say K's end is a happy one. One more fulfilling than most of his life at least
I think he lived in the end
but how?
he lived he is good now
Agreed: I thought he died when I first saw it, but now I'm pretty sure he lived.
Yeah K totally lived and then when he got better the police were all like :hey new change in policy it's okay if you have feelings and we're totally not going to ask about you going AWOL or your supervisor who vouched for you getting brutally murdered have a nice life" and then he got a call from Wallace Industries explaining that they had secret backups of everything and he could re-download JOI just the way she was and then a few years after that he bought her a physical body and she became a real girl and then they had kids even though that's not technically possible because Deckard's secret was actually the power of love all along
You literally see him take his last breath
>no gf
kino
there was no message saying "I have le died" in black and white, with ragtime piano in the background
it`s literally the Drive ending again, he is just pretending he`s fine my dude
>all the best memories are hers
it's so fricking over Cinemaphileros
But for Deckard, it's a new start.
my mom asked me to try to pull out her rose that grew through a fence because she didn't want that beauty to be hidden and I accidentally broke it (the rose, although the fence is already in shambles)
it's all your fault anon you are going to hell now
That Rose was the Dark Tower
>be Denis Villenueve
>Love BR so much you make a sequel to it
>even get Harrison Ford's cranky ass to come back
>can finally give everyone the definitive answer of if Deckard was or was not a replicant
>Have Wallace say "if" he was made
Gotta admit that was a pretty epic trolljob
Fricking moron what do you think the purpose of the origami unicorn was in the original? I gotta stop coming here my IQ drops every time.
Just finished rewatching it (30 min ago) for the first time since it was in theaters. Damn, it's still good.
Haven't seen DUNC yet but I love the book. Waiting on my friend to read it so we can watch it together.
Its impossible to read the book and imagine how beautiful everything would be and then watch the movie and its all desaturated and presented as dully as possible but with "epic" wide shots that tell you youre looking at something important. Awful film.
Honestly, the best parts of the book are not the imagined visuals but the societal intrigue. The dinner scene of Book I is brilliant yet also completely unadaptable to film. On the other hand, the scene where Paul and Leto rescue the spice miners is very cinematic and I'm sure it's a centerpiece in the Villeneuve film.
The one prejudiced gripe I have going in is the race/gender swap of Kynes. Like come the frick on, it's just so tiresome. Kynes was a great character and there were already plenty of stronk womyn in the OG text. But I cannot imagine valuing Dune (the book) for its visual descriptions. Herbert had a good ear for dialogue and understanding of political psychology, but he wrote nothing spectacular about how Arrakis looked.
Heres the thing for me, if its all going to be relatively accurate and were really just discussing when or if certain scenes will be included, then really all there is to discuss is how the visual elements will be adapted and the first movie was ugly as frick and boring to look at so its a huge issue for me. I think the writing and performances were authentic and respectful to the book tho
I'm so happy he told the resistance losers to frick off after they saved him. I was worried the rest of the movie would be about them taking down Wallace and freeing the replicants or some gay shit.
What’s the fricking point, bros? Life is just a putrid waste of time. We have no choice in this stupid, cruel game but to play along and act like it isn’t some fricked up lottery from birth.
Im being dead honest with you brother. Read the book Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep, then rewatch Bladerunner and seriously analyze the WRITING MESSAGE of it, then do the same for 2049.
The conclusion you will come to, inevitably, is that the spark of humanity is divine and worth fighting for and all these fricking corporations want to kill you as soon as it fits into their schemes.
I didn't get that feeling from Ridley's Blade Runner, but 2049 definitely carried that PKD flame of gnostic rebellion.
Well, I haven't seen it yet but I'd still argue that the writing and acting are more important than the set design and color grading. Plus, I liked the desaturated look of BR2049. Agree to disagree?
I think thats why reading the book is essential to get the full picture of how bladerunner is rather about positivity and love for humanity I dont like seeing how it makes people sad when they focus on the sad aspects.
A lot of that comes from the baggage attached to Ryan Gosling bro. Plus, PKD wasn't a writer who avoided ambiguity or despair: The best film adaptation of his work (picrel) is an incredible downer. Speaking as someone who went through a similar Christ-influenced mental break, I'm glad he never depicts faith as all sunshine and roses.
I agree 100% but in this movie the controlling forces and institutions are at fault, the protagonist is well meaning and pure hearted still. It can still be seen as a story about surpression of goodness. And the drugs themselves like lsd arent even bad but creating an enviornment where "bad trips" and brainwashing are encouraged is the problem. And yea having faith isnt all sunshine and roses when youre surrounded by actual satanic influences like we frankly see in Scanner Darkly. Maybe reading too much into it but im a fan.
I don't think you're reading too much into it at all: In fact, I think you're spot-on. It's telling that A Scanner Darkly is PKD's first and last "normal" book after his experience in 1974, meaning that he had already come to terms with the Black Iron Prison.
It really is just a fricked-up world out there, huh?
It really is fricked up but luckily the ending victory was written into the beginning. Also I would love to direct a film for Valis one day, im assuming you read it since you know about the "black iron prison" kek
I would love to make movies and lead to the point I could accurately depict valis, thats my life goal.
I'm sure you could adapt VALIS interestingly and faithfully, even on a shoestring budget. I think it would lend itself easily to a guerilla form of filmmaking. No time like the present! [You can always remake it once you hit the big time...]
>the ending victory was written into the beginning
God, I hope you're right. Also, checked.
Thanks man you actually just made me rethink my whole approach to it and it IS something I could begin planning to do. Hell yes
PROTIP do not watch A Scanner Darkly, Eyes Wide Shut, and the Matrix trilogy, then Tron. You will have an existential crisis.
Man reading Ubik while in inpatient was a trip. I was half expecting to find my name written on the last page with how doped up I was at the time. Never felt so relieved to know I wasn't alone in how I thought.
Ubik is a beautiful, hopeful book. I'm glad you were comforted by it.
It's a sisyphus thing but way less extreme. But my take is that if one does not have/had a big objective, a perceived purpose or a strong commitment is much harder to relate to the positive message of stories like these, and fall back on the misery that comes with these decisions without having in sight the value of the act that came with them. As I do not have any of these, I understand the message, but cannot comprehend it.
Damn that makes a lot of sense given discussions I had about these stories here where I felt I wasnt connecting with the doomposting person I was talking to. nice and wishing you the best in the future.
I disagree that it's a Sisyphian thing — at least in the way Camus interpreted it — but I understand why you'd make that comparison. The questions of the original BR were "who's human and who's a replicant, and how can you tell the difference?" The question of BR2049, and it is quite explicit in asking this, is "are souls the kind of thing that can be obtained (or granted)?"
There are numerous allusions to Christ in the film, the most striking of which are K's possession of "a dead tree" (i.e., a cross) and the baptismal scene near the end of the movie (not to mention the "miracle" of the Incarnation). K's mission is more than some ironic punishment from vengeful or indifferent gods, it's an honest-to-God telos that pulls him toward goodness and justice.
hell yea man preach it
I actually have the book but have never read it and have had it for like 10 years. Thanks anon, I honestly needed that. I truly believe that we all contribute something but I just feel like such a worthless piece of shit sometimes. Thanks for reading my blog
Its ok man we're all on the same side as science fiction fans. And people like philip k dick (think how many movies are based on his work) are preaching the new gospel in a way people like us can understand it. Thats my take anyway. I hope you do check the book out oh and also take care of yourself.
Thanks bro. I am. Not trying to waste this opportunity, going to make the best of it and find my meaning. Best of luck to you fren. I’ll give the book a read too. Need to finish blood meridian first (other anons ironically got me to read this as well.
This may seem random, but if you struggle with Blood Meridian, don't feel the need to finish it for the sake of finishing it. McCarthy (PBUH) is an Old Testament crypto-Catholic that has a very difficult worldview to reckon against. Blood Meridian is challenging in many ways and, despite becoming a meme on Cinemaphile, is not the best introduction to YeCarthy (which would be Suttree or Child of God) nor to Great American Literature (which would be Moby Dick or even Flannery O'Connor, if you still wanted some hard-faith Southern Catholicism).
Incidentally, I went through a long phase of not reading when I was a teen and PKD is what pulled me out of it.
I am struggling a bit, but mainly because of the prose. The lack of quotation marks in the dialogue and free structure is kinda throwing me off a bit, but I’ve honestly been lazy with reading and haven’t read anything in a while since I was on an almost year long bender and am now sober. Honestly excited to get back into watching good movies and reading books again. I’ll check those other books out too.
Side note: but is Cinemaphile any good? Cinemaphile is hot garbage and I used to be a big Cinemaphile guy but never really explored Cinemaphile
I'm a newbie, but i can say it's definitely better than Cinemaphile. You don't see much actual discussion about books; it's mostly philosophy pseuds who read a quote of Nietszche once and decide to make a thread about it. That or some meme book like Blood Meridian or Infinite Jest. That makes up 40-60% of new threads, with 20% being recs and the remaining actual book discussion. It's kinda disappointing, but at least it got me to pick up Moby Dick again, and discussions on normal books are somewhat decent
Check out my struggle by Karl ove if you’re into memoirs. That’s one of the better books I’ve read in the last few years
Oh I've actually seen this one mentioned once there. I'm not actually into autobiographies or memoirs right now, but I'll have it mind if I start with them. What do you like about it?
Depending on how far in you are, the style should get easier to parse but it is tricky at first. The real heady stuff will be interpreting the symbols, of which the Mexican tarot scene is one of the simplest.
As for Cinemaphile, I haven't been a regular there in a few years. From my understanding, it's suffered the same fate as the rest of Cinemaphile: hyper-politicized and clogged up with shit. But I was around when Thomas Pynchon used to post and it was full of bright anons with a genuine passion for literature. It's still better than your average board, I'd assume — definitely better than Cinemaphile.
>a big Cinemaphile guy
Is there any other kind? Funnily enough, Cinemaphile was my home board when I was deep into alcoholism. It's very comfy sometimes.
Kek. Yeah the druk threads are fun over there and jaCinemaphile threads were always good. Jannies over there take it a little too serious at times tho
>what do you like about it
It’s very descriptive and the characters and places seem familiar even though I have no ties whatsoever to Norwegian culture. I also enjoyed the message of suffering from the banality of life and the mundane aspects of being a father, son and husband., but it’s written in a non pretentious and non self deprecating way. Journey into the night is probably my favorite book tho. Solid work
Sounds comfy ngl. Might check it out
You may be a worthless piece of shit from the perspective of the elites handing out doggie treats, but the only truly worthless thing is their 'respect.' The more I've unplugged from the values that fuel this huge machine the better I've felt.
could be a mix of that or unsatisfying job and relationships but it certainly ties back to this
not him btw
WHEN ANGELS DESERVE TO DIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIE
Did his sexy cell phone really love him?
You shouldn't, but since your personality is based on twitter/social media so it's hard for you to actually understand film :^)
Everyone needs to read a book on story structure or screenwriting, you will understand ALL this in this video and look at films in a new way. I even found a book not specifically for film "writing for visual media" its important to start here because its a grass roots approach to understanding what youre even looking at on screen and how EVERYTHING is intentional to affect the subconscious or lull you into a state of perception.
See you, Space Cowboy
I'm still carrying that weight bros
I honestly saw this movie only for the literally me memes and to understand them, and i genuinely loved almost every part of it. But particularly about the [chair clattering] scene, what I find somewhat ironic, is the actual reason for K's rage, contrasted to its use in memes. In the movie K rages because of someone elses's memories (that he at the moment thinks are real) which makes him feel robbed and manipulated into thinking he is a replicant.
However, the meme use is mostly in context of feeling heartbroken, because we are also seeing someone else's memories or life experiences, usually about being loved by someone else.
We DO know those aren't our memories, which causes our pain.
K DOESN'T know those aren't his memories, which also causes him to rage
It's quite depressing to think about. Even so, I dare say K's end is a happy one. One more fulfilling than most of his life at least
quality analysis I found a bit enlightening about the movie and these memes
I'm 30 years old and have literally never held hands with a woman
REAL HUMAN BEAN
Midwitt thread