you're too optimistic. they can easily revive the franchise by just bringing back white male protagonists and toning down the woke messaging in the scripts 10-20%. it'll still be pozzed slop and consoomers will still be stuck watching mexican women and black, israeli gay guys sass each other and shit but the posters and trailers will look somewhat normal again. just wait and see. the correction is coming and it won't be the death of every big movie studio, it'll be a return to more subtle subversion like we had in the late 2000s.
it's pretty obvious they have not damaged the brand much at all. I find that insane but it's true. normies are so fricking moronic, we've been in the hyperwoke era for a decade soon and constantly they show signs of waking up a little bit and then they FRICKING DON'T. they never actually get there. it's like somebody is resetting them. like they all sit down to consoom the evening news and their brainwashing is reinforced each time, neutralizing any redpills they've stumbled upon during the day.
and the memory of the consumer public when it comes to companies is laughably short. even if a company royally fricks up they can easily gain back trust and even brand loyalty from the normgroids in a matter of a few years. and by gaining back trust I mean just not having another huge scandal for a while. that's what it takes. normies WANT to trust and like everything.
>they show signs of waking up a little bit and then they FRICKING DON'T
1. With few exceptions, woke movies have been flop after flop, and before you say it’s because nobody goes to movies overall I’ll point out Top Gun Maverick, Mario, Barbie, Oppenheimer, and FNAF (not to mention Godzilla). Chudcore films like Sound of Freedom shattered expectations
2. Have you seen discussion around the Palestine situation lately? Israel isn’t exactly winning much sympathy with the normals
Barbie, Mario and arguably Oppenheimer were all woke. I don't know anything about the FNAF movie. Top Gun Maverick can be considered traditional and not woke. having one female fighter pilot is stretching plausibility a bit but we're so far down the slippery slope that shit doesn't even register as a blip any more. we don't even think of that as woke any more even though it technically is. there are no female fighter pilots. women aren't fit enough to fly fighter jets. it makes no sense to invest all that training into a physically inferior pilot. any way, Top Gun Maverick gets a pass because it's a good movie and the chick was hot.
>2.
but the woke position is pro palestine. and that's classic israelite jitsu, hats off to the israeli american intellectual class for all that. wild.
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They dropped restrictions on women flying combat missions in 1993 grandpa.
I think the problem is Marvel/Disney is likely already partially headed and filled with ID pol activist types who believe their own shit thanks to the last 10 years of hiring practices, so they might not be willing to even consider it at this point.
Yeah but look at the activist types in charge of all this. You think those sjw clowns will compromise? To them, they are always right. If they keep this up, they will only flop more. They don't have it in them to moderate themselves and put ideology aside.
>toning down the woke messaging in the scripts 10-20%
Hasn't been attempted yet and never will be. The line only moves one way. It's statistically impossible for Disney to not have this shit in the movie, only more of it.
Some of us have real emotional connections to this franchise and it's awful you take pleasure in its demise.
I met my wife at a Winter soldier screening, we named our daughter after Scarlett Johansson, our house is stuffed with assorted MCU memorabilia and collectables.
Way to act like Thanos and frick it all up for us.
I preemptively shit on its cgi, woke, ineptly directed grave. Never cared for this dreck but it is unsurprising that even fanboys are turning their backs to it
>Stan Lee, co-creator of the character Spider-Man, had a contract awarding him 10% of the net profits of anything based on his characters. The film Spider-Man (2002) made more than $800 million in revenue, but the producers claim that it did not make any profit as defined in Lee's contract, and Lee received nothing. In 2002 he filed a lawsuit against Marvel Comics.[17] The case was settled in January 2005, with Marvel paying $10 million to "finance past and future payments claimed by Mr. Lee."
Jesus fricking CHRIST. What level of israeliteery is this?
I've been meaning to talk about this but, the 2.5x multiplier people use to evaluate a movie's profitability is kind of worthless. The actual number is at a minimum probably 5. This is for gay ass investor growth expectation reasons.
No. If a movie makes 2.5x the budget back it's considered a success. Even if it didn't make all the money back from the box office it'll make money through home video which isn't accounted for generally. Plus when talking about big movies like this there's always brand tie-ins and merchandising to consider as well.
Technically I think 2x is break even and 2.5x is considered successful. I think once you hit around 3x or more it's enough for shareholders to be happy. You're largely overestimating how much a movie needs to be considered successful.
>it'll make money through home video which isn't accounted for generally.
Streaming cuts rental cost to near 0. And nobody is going to sub Disney+ for this. Box office and rental revenue are very highly related.
Disney and D+ are different entities, on paper, Disney sells the rights to the movie to D+ and claim that money in the movies earnings. I think The Little Mermaid was sold for 35mil to D+
>Ant-Man and the Wasp: Quantumania grossed $214.5 million in the United States and Canada, and $261.6 million in other territories, for a worldwide total of $476.1 million.It was a box-office disappointment, falling short of its reported break-even point of $600 million.
The budget for Ant-Man 3 was 200 millions and it needed 600 millions to start making profit. The Marvels probably had to make even more considering the previous one made a billion which set expectations high.
That's part of it too, yeah. If a company promises investors X% profits, even if it still makes bank, if it falls below that number it's a huge problem
I struggle to believe buying your own tickets would actually help the investor situation, where would they even put that expense on the books? Keep in mind, stockholders are legally entitled to tons of information far beyond what is public.
No it proves the opposite if anything. If they had to buy their own tickets to make the last film a success then why would they waste money with an expensive sequel when they know there's no audience?
The last one did well because they tricked people into thinking it was required viewing for Endgame. This is a tactic comics use a lot when they have a big event going, they tie in other titles to make it seem important even if it's largely inconsequential to boost sales.
This. Captain Marvel was teased at the end of IW. Then in Endgame Captain Marvel is in the beginning and the end. No one wanted to go into Endgame blind. Now, people don't give a shit.
I stopped reading X-Men after Onslaught in the 90s. When Danvers got her powers back, did Rogue lose them, and if so, did she ever get them back? The flying, super strength, and invulnerability were kind of her trademark thing for me.
I truly have no idea. All I know from Rogue is the Xmen animinated series. I want to see this Rogue on the big screen. No the anemic Rogue from the Xmen movies do not count.
As I recall Rogue kept Carol's old powers but Carol got massively powered up again by the Brood in the early 80's (becoming Binary), that power was mostly drained during the climax of Operation: Galactic Storm right before Onslaught and after that she was pretty close to where she started only now Rogue has her powers too
Forgot to say that I'm fricking itching for Rogue to steal Brie's powers and erases her from the MCU. Furiously fappin to the thought of it. I might die of semen loss if it ever happens.
Yeah, in the comics during Claremont's run in the 80s, Rogue had almost a Tyler Durden thing going on with Carol, where she would occasionally appear, and they would have conversations. There was even a part where Rogue agrees to step aside, and let Carol take control for a while I think to talk to Wolverine.
And they later had Carol show up as Binary on the Starjammer's ship with zero mention as to how Carol woke up and how she got her Binary powers and ended up with them. And the episode famously didn't include Rogue so we didn't even get confirmation that the part of Carol in Rogue's mind got put back into Carol's comatose mind to wake her back up off-camera.
she long lost Ms. Marvel's powers, but she drained Wonder Man after that and she's still going by that, last I checked. It's not that anyone would notice the difference anyway, since Wonder Man is also a flying brick like Carol
Carol never got her powers back from Rogue. Claremont, back in 1983, did a storyline where Carol and the X-Men get kidnapped by the Brood and the Brood experimented on Carol because they found the Kree modifications to her DNA was still intact and ended up not only restoring her powers but giving her a MASSIVE power boost that let her channel the power of a literal sun/star.
Carol was written out after Claremont stuck Rogue onto the X-Men team, because Rogue suddenly became super popular and Carol languished in limbo for quite some time. However, Claremont had the memories Rogue stole manifest as a split personality that started hijacking Rogue's body for her own. This "Phantom Carol" eventually got split from Rogue when they fell through the Siege Perilous and fell under the Shadow King's control. But neither one could live as their life force was split between them and "Carol" nearly killed Rogue, who was only saved by Magneto showing up out of the blue and doing something off-screen to kill Carol" and move her life force into Rogue to save her. However, the process briefly left Rogue with no powers, leading to her having an affair with Magneto before her mutant and Ms Marvel powers came back.
>Screenwriter Ed Solomon says that Sony claims Men in Black (1997) has never broken even, despite grossing nearly $600 million against a $90 million budget.
this ones even more egregious >Despite grossing $911 million against its $55 million budget, the 2018 Freddie Mercury biopic Bohemian Rhapsody was written down as a $51 million loss by the studio
>QuantumBlack folk flopped >Nigmaid underperformed >Jeeter Pan was Disney Plus’d and didn’t even get a theatrical release >GotG3 did good but not relative to its predecessors >Indy 5 and the Dustbin of Destiny underperformed >Elemental did okay but it took a while >Haunted Mansion underperformed, probably because it’s a Halloween movie with a July release (the movie itself is perfectly fine) >The Marvels and Wish are currently competing for “biggest flop ever” which would unseat the likes of John Carter and Pluto Nash
Born too late to explore the world, born too early to explore the stars, born just in time to see Disney collapse before your eyes
She-Hulk, Ms. Marvel, and Ahsoka flopped in the ratings too, and Willow's (that was actually about mulatto lesbians) viewership was so bad, that it's worth more to Disney as lost media than it is taking up server space.
And they're still legally on the hook for something like $26 billion for Hulu.
Yeah that too, I was just considering movies and not the shows as well
She-Hulk, Ms. Marvel, and Ahsoka flopped in the ratings too, and Willow's (that was actually about mulatto lesbians) viewership was so bad, that it's worth more to Disney as lost media than it is taking up server space.
And they're still legally on the hook for something like $26 billion for Hulu.
D+ was conceived at Disney’s peak and is a billion dollar dumpster fire. They could have made hindreds of millions with deals with netflix, hulu, and others rather than losing billions.
It's actually more than $270 million. That number was the amount Disney spent making the movie in September ... 2022. There's an entire year of post-production missing.
Neither of the movies he mentioned were sequels to films that grossed >$1 billion. Both were funded by a tech giant for the purpose of prestige, not profit. No one's giving Scorcese $200 million for a film about Injuns and oil with the expectation it'll be a big box office hit. Apple can lose hundreds of millions on movies and not have that make a dent in their financials.
I think it's fair to point it out when youtube shouty men/Cinemaphile goblins get so hyped up about their own power they throw multi week festivals when a movie does badly, not noticing that all the other movies that month also did bad. Only the Hunger Games did slightly better, and that is probably also barely making a profit.
he said people were committed to hating it "before" - where have you seen that indication?
of all the movies to circle the wagons for this year, this one is at the bottom of the list, it had only things working in its favor
You have cultivated your youtube very well then because it's been a common thing for years now for the content mills to just add brie larson making a face in the thumbnail of all sorts of "anti woke" slop.
okay but I fail to see how niche fanboy war youtubers would significantly affect change to the degree that is being implied by these twitter people
it would be one thing if it was major trades or publications writing articles about her, but it's just various echochambers without enough power to prevent a good movie from prevailing
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The original twitter screencap was pointing out that a bunch of the trades are weirdly echoing the fanboys. It's notable that almost every other expensive movie also bombed in november, but their aren't 5 million "The End of Auteur Historical Epics?1!?1?" articles.
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How are the trades "echoing fanboys"? They're simply reporting on facts and numbers that came after the movie bombed.
The original twitter screencap was pointing out that a bunch of the trades are weirdly echoing the fanboys. It's notable that almost every other expensive movie also bombed in november, but their aren't 5 million "The End of Auteur Historical Epics?1!?1?" articles.
The problem with this is, sucess and failure is based on more things. Look at WB. The first Man of Steel movie made money but it didn't do the numbers they wanted or thought they would get so they changed their plans a bunch. Whether or not something is a flop is also based on the behaviour you see from the studio. The difference between their expectation versus reality.
Killers of the Flower Moon and Napoleon are BOTH also Apple TV+ productions (as well as in association with other studios). These films are about getting viewers and, more importantly, some level of prestige onto their streaming services by using well known filmmakers. Napoleon is apparently even going to get a director's cut when going to Apple TV+.
Whether or not these films are deemed successful is very different to a superhero franchise movie.
Now that's a strawman if I ever seen one. No one calls Marty's movie a moderate hit, no one just cares if it's not, because Apple clearly didn't otherwise it wouldn't be 200 mil.
they aren't, 80% of the budgets go to the ~~*executives*~~ pockets. Ask yourself why japs can make godzilla films with 10 millions but the same film costs 200m in the west
>biggest box office on a movie with 3 black handicapped, on of them from Boston, stunt coordinators filmed on August during the conjuction of Jupiter and Saturn on a jump year
how is it even possible to lose 400 fricking million dollars on a movie? what a monumental frickup. why is everyone who had a hand in that not fired and barred from working in the industry ever again?
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It's actually more than $270 million. That number was the amount Disney spent making the movie in September ... 2022. There's an entire year of post-production missing.
Just goes to show how Hollywood needs to clean house.
Godzilla Minus One is a $15 million film, and it's not only more profitable, it looks better than the current western tentpoles.
>disney buys properties that appeal to males like MCU and star wars because disney is mostly known as a female brand >turn the male properties into female properties >lose money
how did this happen?
I actually saw this film. (I have a cinema subscription and see multiple films a month so didn't "pay for it" in the traditional sense.) >Villain finds new McGuffin that can open doorways and uses it to steal planet resources from planets Captain Marvel "cares about" because Captain Marvel's actions from the first one wrecked her planet. (Carol killed Supreme Intelligence and made a Civil War that wrecked the planet.) She is without doubt one of the weakest, blandest and most boring villains you will ever see. >Due to shenanigans, Ms Marvel, Monica Rambeau and Captain Marvel keep switching places when they use their powers but this isn't properly defined. Connected to the jump gates that are used for space travel. >Scenes include them going to a planet where Captain Marvel is a princess and everyone has to sing (until they don't). >Or when the alien cat from the first one made babies and they used the alien cats to swallow all the Space Station personel so they could get them on the only few working escape craft. >Villain accidentally opens up a gateway to another universe and Monica closes it. Cue X-Men/Beast cameo. >Movie is only 105 minutes, nothing is allowed to breath and rushes through the McGuffin, explanations of things etc. >To add insult to injury at the end Captain Marvel goes to the villain's planet and reignites their Sun meaning the whole conflict was pointless because she always had the power to just help them begin to fix things.
I am not one of these people who constantly obsesses over and hates Brie Larson or gets bogged down in culture war narratives.. But damn this movie was not just dumb, it was so poorly edited, rushed, bizarre 100%. It was embarassing.
>nonsensical plot >shitty characters >not even 2 hours long despite having THREE leads
this was supposed to be a major movie event, but it's so bad not even normies are interested
I think the real problem with these movies isn't actually the diverse casts or woke messaging, it's the forced diversity in the writer's room that has drained away all the talent Marvel and Disney have
>I think the real problem with these movies isn't actually the diverse casts or woke messaging, it's the forced diversity in the writer's room that has drained away all the talent Marvel and Disney have
Writing has always been the issue. The 2008-9 Writers Strike was followed by Hollywood's push into getting cheaper and cheaper writers using the eager crop of Internet "writers". Writers used to be the king of TV. Nowadays have you noticed how we talk about showrunners/producers more than writers/directors? Most people don't really know who wrote or directed a lot of this stuff. I remember that Arrow TV (DC superhero show) on CW had fricking interns write some episodes once. Which also coincided with a decline in quality. Older writers were journeymen who had to cut their teeth in everything from short stories to magazines to everything. Current writers cut their teeth online writing garbage.
diversity hire writers are part of it but the diverse casts are too, as some just stink. Imani is super great and is going places but the other woman just isn’t lead material whatsoever. The villain is just Hiddleston’s wife who is not talented. They’re choosing representation over talent in the most racist way possible “put a black person in it” not “put an incredibly compelling black person in it”
Let's have a look at what went wrong here >Dar Benn
Written so they could cast Zawe Ashton, who's engaged to Tom Hiddleston (Loki). She needed the work and Disney needed Hiddleston. She brings nothing to the movie but she got paid and killed off so that settles things with Tom. >The Marvels keep switching
As everyone knows Carol is too powerful so they needed to inconvenience, but not depower her. They also needed an excuse for three characters with weak to non-existent connections to meet up and unite so let's kill two birds with one stone. This wasn't written with any particular consistency for switching in mind, like Monica transporting but not her astronaut suit but it makes the plot move forwards. >Planets Carol has a connection to
Possibly the biggest problem with Captain Marvel is that general audiences do not like her. To make her more endearing the decision was made to soften her by giving her personal connections to places and people. This is supposed to make her more likable. But we don't have time to show these connections so we're just going to tell the audience Carol cares about these things and leave it at that.
Let's have a look at what went wrong here >Dar Benn
Written so they could cast Zawe Ashton, who's engaged to Tom Hiddleston (Loki). She needed the work and Disney needed Hiddleston. She brings nothing to the movie but she got paid and killed off so that settles things with Tom. >The Marvels keep switching
As everyone knows Carol is too powerful so they needed to inconvenience, but not depower her. They also needed an excuse for three characters with weak to non-existent connections to meet up and unite so let's kill two birds with one stone. This wasn't written with any particular consistency for switching in mind, like Monica transporting but not her astronaut suit but it makes the plot move forwards. >Planets Carol has a connection to
Possibly the biggest problem with Captain Marvel is that general audiences do not like her. To make her more endearing the decision was made to soften her by giving her personal connections to places and people. This is supposed to make her more likable. But we don't have time to show these connections so we're just going to tell the audience Carol cares about these things and leave it at that.
con't >The singing planet
This was supposed to draw in the Disney Princess little girl crowd. Captain Marvel is married to a space prince and sings and gets a princess dress. Disney mandated this but didn't have any specific instructions other than "Make her like a Princess" so we have disinterested writers, actors and a director deliver an insincere singing planet. This is probably what Iger meant by "Not enough on set supervision". Again this is supposed to make Carol more endearing to the audience. >Space cats eating everyone
The cat from the first movie got consistently positive feedback and they needed something for Nick Fury and the space station to do. This is that something. >Space portal
Villain dies, Carol and Monica get the big hero moments and we get the X-men cameo Disney is desperate to bring to the fore. The director actually said she wanted a lot more of this in the movie but Disney wouldn't let her. >Movie is too short
Disney mandated this. The original cut was pushing 165 mins but a longer movie means less screenings per day. So we get a rushed and bloated movie. >Carol just restarts the sun
Where characters land on the power scale is a big consideration for the brand and this is supposed to show Carol as the strongest using her power in a virtuous way. It doesn't make sense but you're not supposed to think about it, you're supposed to think Captain Marvel is really cool and powerful and awesome and inspirational and how much you can't wait to see her come back again.
In summary this movie is what happens when a committee mandates a list of requirements that shackles a production which the audience already had little interest in.
How good is Brie Larson at sucking dicks? She must be out of this world to keep getting roles, despite being absolute box office poison and hated by every actor she's ever worked with.
you watch, they'll blame the x-men after credit sequence somehow and in less than a year marvel will say "x-men are no longer happening please understand"
>good films are rarely profitable
kek, in order to defend the Marvels, the shills now have to throw the entirety of the MCU under the bus, which were all highly profitable movies EXCEPT for the Marvels and maybe the incredible Hulk.
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take your meds
touch grass
5 months ago
Anonymous
Hulk was probably still profitable. Theatrically? It probably lost money, but not much. $150 million budget vs. $265 million gross. The thing is, people bought BD/DVDs back in 2008. It did $80 million in sales in the U.S. alone. The Marvels has worse numbers and obviously isn't going to gross that much on home video.
No one's kicking and screaming. They're simply highlighting spending $300+ million on a movie frick all people go to see is stupid and if your audience is small you should adjust your production habits.
>the entire movies plot was irrelevant and Cheese Toes could have just fixed the villains grievances at any time with minimal effort >thats exactly what she does at the end
????????
That being said.... Rogue ended up losing control over ALL of her powers, in 2000, causing her to manifest claws ala Wolverine having to wear glasses ala Cyclops to block the eye beams she was now firing out of her head full time ala Cyclops. She ended up, via plot device, solving the issue during an alien invasion where she had all of her previously absorbed powers come back all at once which she used to destroy an alien fleet at the expense of ending up 100% powerless when she was done. She retired for a bit to shack up with Gambit but ended up having to get her powers restored via Sage/Tessa reluctantly, when she failed to stop Black Tom Cassidy from killing a bunch of people during an attack on the school.
However, she was back at square one with no Ms Marvel powers BUT that didn't last long. In a short lived Rogue ongoing book, Sunfire got his legs blown off and begged Rogue to take his powers before he died to avenge him/stop the bad guy who maimed him. Rogue now could fly again and shoot fire from her hands. HOWEVER, Sunfire survived the loss of his legs and kept his memories and powers even though Rogue now had them too permanently.
Rogue then got hit by a plague that caused her to develop a death touch and the memories of thousands of dead aliens killed by the virus which absorbed their souls. Mystique cured Rogue by making a baby Hope touch a comatose via alien voices in her head Rogue, which did another factory reset. Rogue then was told that Xavier had lied to her all these years and could have cured her but didn't because he wanted to "reform her" and he fixed her powers telepathically. But then Xavier died and Uncanny Avengers happened and Rogue did another "absorb everyone's powers" deal to fight the Celestials but she ended up losing everyone's powers but Wonder Man (who merged with her) and lost all control over her powers again. Simon eventually left her body but Rogue kept his powers of flight, invulnerability, and super strength.
Carol got depowered by Kurt Busiek who regressed her back to her Ms Marvel status but since Rogue was too popular to turn evil, had to do a drinking problem arc to sidestep addressing how Carol having her life ruined by Rogue and became a footnote character. Since then, other writers tend to treat Binary as a sort of "power up" ala Super Saiyan for Carol and while Rogue and Carol no longer hate each other, it's largely due to Carol getting another more extensive mindwipe via alien tech because Kelly Sue DeConnick didn't want to do any research and used a mindwipe to basically recreate Carol from scratch her her perverted image of a feminazi.
MCU is dying and I couldn't be happier.
Amen.
White race is dying, and the MCU isn't helping, so good riddance.
shit the frick up incel
less basedmen the better, you aint saving it either
Shut up Black person
>basedmen
Discord troon can't into wordfilters, sasuga.
>White race is dying
Perhaps your men should be more busy procreating instead of them trooning out and whining about capeshit online.
A blessing
you're too optimistic. they can easily revive the franchise by just bringing back white male protagonists and toning down the woke messaging in the scripts 10-20%. it'll still be pozzed slop and consoomers will still be stuck watching mexican women and black, israeli gay guys sass each other and shit but the posters and trailers will look somewhat normal again. just wait and see. the correction is coming and it won't be the death of every big movie studio, it'll be a return to more subtle subversion like we had in the late 2000s.
You damage the brand enough, even bringing back white people won't attract audiences.
it's pretty obvious they have not damaged the brand much at all. I find that insane but it's true. normies are so fricking moronic, we've been in the hyperwoke era for a decade soon and constantly they show signs of waking up a little bit and then they FRICKING DON'T. they never actually get there. it's like somebody is resetting them. like they all sit down to consoom the evening news and their brainwashing is reinforced each time, neutralizing any redpills they've stumbled upon during the day.
and the memory of the consumer public when it comes to companies is laughably short. even if a company royally fricks up they can easily gain back trust and even brand loyalty from the normgroids in a matter of a few years. and by gaining back trust I mean just not having another huge scandal for a while. that's what it takes. normies WANT to trust and like everything.
>they show signs of waking up a little bit and then they FRICKING DON'T
1. With few exceptions, woke movies have been flop after flop, and before you say it’s because nobody goes to movies overall I’ll point out Top Gun Maverick, Mario, Barbie, Oppenheimer, and FNAF (not to mention Godzilla). Chudcore films like Sound of Freedom shattered expectations
2. Have you seen discussion around the Palestine situation lately? Israel isn’t exactly winning much sympathy with the normals
Barbie, Mario and arguably Oppenheimer were all woke. I don't know anything about the FNAF movie. Top Gun Maverick can be considered traditional and not woke. having one female fighter pilot is stretching plausibility a bit but we're so far down the slippery slope that shit doesn't even register as a blip any more. we don't even think of that as woke any more even though it technically is. there are no female fighter pilots. women aren't fit enough to fly fighter jets. it makes no sense to invest all that training into a physically inferior pilot. any way, Top Gun Maverick gets a pass because it's a good movie and the chick was hot.
>2.
but the woke position is pro palestine. and that's classic israelite jitsu, hats off to the israeli american intellectual class for all that. wild.
They dropped restrictions on women flying combat missions in 1993 grandpa.
I think the problem is Marvel/Disney is likely already partially headed and filled with ID pol activist types who believe their own shit thanks to the last 10 years of hiring practices, so they might not be willing to even consider it at this point.
Loki has a white male protagonist and it sucks.
Yeah but look at the activist types in charge of all this. You think those sjw clowns will compromise? To them, they are always right. If they keep this up, they will only flop more. They don't have it in them to moderate themselves and put ideology aside.
>toning down the woke messaging in the scripts 10-20%
Hasn't been attempted yet and never will be. The line only moves one way. It's statistically impossible for Disney to not have this shit in the movie, only more of it.
I mean, unless it was a total slate clean I can’t see myself going back.
Some of us have real emotional connections to this franchise and it's awful you take pleasure in its demise.
I met my wife at a Winter soldier screening, we named our daughter after Scarlett Johansson, our house is stuffed with assorted MCU memorabilia and collectables.
Way to act like Thanos and frick it all up for us.
gr8 b8 m8 I r8 it 98
This anon will be crying about missing the mcu when the next popular trend takes over
I preemptively shit on its cgi, woke, ineptly directed grave. Never cared for this dreck but it is unsurprising that even fanboys are turning their backs to it
Thank god.
>Stan Lee, co-creator of the character Spider-Man, had a contract awarding him 10% of the net profits of anything based on his characters. The film Spider-Man (2002) made more than $800 million in revenue, but the producers claim that it did not make any profit as defined in Lee's contract, and Lee received nothing. In 2002 he filed a lawsuit against Marvel Comics.[17] The case was settled in January 2005, with Marvel paying $10 million to "finance past and future payments claimed by Mr. Lee."
Jesus fricking CHRIST. What level of israeliteery is this?
The world is healing
i doubt it even earned 200m
now we have to endure 2-3 years of other studios finishing up their copycat “strong female lead” dogshit projects and might return to normality
ahhh frick
yo get me Hugh Jackman
>The lead characters of the MCU are going to be Deadpool and Wolverine
I've been meaning to talk about this but, the 2.5x multiplier people use to evaluate a movie's profitability is kind of worthless. The actual number is at a minimum probably 5. This is for gay ass investor growth expectation reasons.
No. If a movie makes 2.5x the budget back it's considered a success. Even if it didn't make all the money back from the box office it'll make money through home video which isn't accounted for generally. Plus when talking about big movies like this there's always brand tie-ins and merchandising to consider as well.
Anon, if a movie costs $600m or whatever including marketing, do you really think investors will be happy with $50m in profit?
No, and that's why generally if a movie returns on that little of a profit they don't make a sequel.
That's kind of what I'm trying to get at. 2.5 is like, break even. To actually satisfy investors you need way more than that.
Technically I think 2x is break even and 2.5x is considered successful. I think once you hit around 3x or more it's enough for shareholders to be happy. You're largely overestimating how much a movie needs to be considered successful.
>it'll make money through home video which isn't accounted for generally.
Streaming cuts rental cost to near 0. And nobody is going to sub Disney+ for this. Box office and rental revenue are very highly related.
Disney and D+ are different entities, on paper, Disney sells the rights to the movie to D+ and claim that money in the movies earnings. I think The Little Mermaid was sold for 35mil to D+
This movie is not making anything on merch.
brie larson sex doll (actually punching dummy)
>Ant-Man and the Wasp: Quantumania grossed $214.5 million in the United States and Canada, and $261.6 million in other territories, for a worldwide total of $476.1 million.It was a box-office disappointment, falling short of its reported break-even point of $600 million.
The budget for Ant-Man 3 was 200 millions and it needed 600 millions to start making profit. The Marvels probably had to make even more considering the previous one made a billion which set expectations high.
That's part of it too, yeah. If a company promises investors X% profits, even if it still makes bank, if it falls below that number it's a huge problem
Doesn't this proves Disney bought all the tickets for Ms Marvel like everyone was saying back then? How a billion dollar success fails this hard?
I struggle to believe buying your own tickets would actually help the investor situation, where would they even put that expense on the books? Keep in mind, stockholders are legally entitled to tons of information far beyond what is public.
All billion dollar industries have a black budget.
>Our profits increased by X but our black budget expenses increased by X
A black budget isn't accounted for. That's why it's a black budget.
That is so many felonies all at once it boggles the mind
What are you talking about anon lol. Felonies are for the non chosen.
No it proves the opposite if anything. If they had to buy their own tickets to make the last film a success then why would they waste money with an expensive sequel when they know there's no audience?
The last one did well because they tricked people into thinking it was required viewing for Endgame. This is a tactic comics use a lot when they have a big event going, they tie in other titles to make it seem important even if it's largely inconsequential to boost sales.
They tried to meme their garbage to be a hit but The Marvels proved they failed. Blackrock and all that.
This. Captain Marvel was teased at the end of IW. Then in Endgame Captain Marvel is in the beginning and the end. No one wanted to go into Endgame blind. Now, people don't give a shit.
I stopped reading X-Men after Onslaught in the 90s. When Danvers got her powers back, did Rogue lose them, and if so, did she ever get them back? The flying, super strength, and invulnerability were kind of her trademark thing for me.
I truly have no idea. All I know from Rogue is the Xmen animinated series. I want to see this Rogue on the big screen. No the anemic Rogue from the Xmen movies do not count.
As I recall Rogue kept Carol's old powers but Carol got massively powered up again by the Brood in the early 80's (becoming Binary), that power was mostly drained during the climax of Operation: Galactic Storm right before Onslaught and after that she was pretty close to where she started only now Rogue has her powers too
Forgot to say that I'm fricking itching for Rogue to steal Brie's powers and erases her from the MCU. Furiously fappin to the thought of it. I might die of semen loss if it ever happens.
This episode seems to impley she took a piece of Carol's soul to get her powers then it was sealed away in Rogue's mind like Majin Buu
Yeah, in the comics during Claremont's run in the 80s, Rogue had almost a Tyler Durden thing going on with Carol, where she would occasionally appear, and they would have conversations. There was even a part where Rogue agrees to step aside, and let Carol take control for a while I think to talk to Wolverine.
rogue's power absorbs psyches too
also the only reason she's not hilariously evil today is because she sucked the goodness out of 80s ms marvel
And they later had Carol show up as Binary on the Starjammer's ship with zero mention as to how Carol woke up and how she got her Binary powers and ended up with them. And the episode famously didn't include Rogue so we didn't even get confirmation that the part of Carol in Rogue's mind got put back into Carol's comatose mind to wake her back up off-camera.
she long lost Ms. Marvel's powers, but she drained Wonder Man after that and she's still going by that, last I checked. It's not that anyone would notice the difference anyway, since Wonder Man is also a flying brick like Carol
Carol never got her powers back from Rogue. Claremont, back in 1983, did a storyline where Carol and the X-Men get kidnapped by the Brood and the Brood experimented on Carol because they found the Kree modifications to her DNA was still intact and ended up not only restoring her powers but giving her a MASSIVE power boost that let her channel the power of a literal sun/star.
Carol was written out after Claremont stuck Rogue onto the X-Men team, because Rogue suddenly became super popular and Carol languished in limbo for quite some time. However, Claremont had the memories Rogue stole manifest as a split personality that started hijacking Rogue's body for her own. This "Phantom Carol" eventually got split from Rogue when they fell through the Siege Perilous and fell under the Shadow King's control. But neither one could live as their life force was split between them and "Carol" nearly killed Rogue, who was only saved by Magneto showing up out of the blue and doing something off-screen to kill Carol" and move her life force into Rogue to save her. However, the process briefly left Rogue with no powers, leading to her having an affair with Magneto before her mutant and Ms Marvel powers came back.
>$270 Million budget
…How?!!!
>…How?!!!
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hollywood_accounting
Holy shit
Oy vey the goyim know about our creative accounting practices
>Screenwriter Ed Solomon says that Sony claims Men in Black (1997) has never broken even, despite grossing nearly $600 million against a $90 million budget.
this ones even more egregious
>Despite grossing $911 million against its $55 million budget, the 2018 Freddie Mercury biopic Bohemian Rhapsody was written down as a $51 million loss by the studio
>spend years ensuring your movies never make a "profit"
>movies start no longer making a profit
jews
lol
LMAO
I bet they're regretting that limited run now.
Toho planned a safe, conservative strategy for GM1 and it succeeded. Nothing to regret. They now know that they could take a bigger risk next time.
Needs a deal with it shop
I kneel
Women fatigue
based, hate that c**t Brie Larson and hate Disney
I still don't know who the black girl is.
>Go watch Come and See
>Trying to murder capeshitters by boring them to death
Devilishly clever
>$80M domestic
holy sht
>QuantumBlack folk flopped
>Nigmaid underperformed
>Jeeter Pan was Disney Plus’d and didn’t even get a theatrical release
>GotG3 did good but not relative to its predecessors
>Indy 5 and the Dustbin of Destiny underperformed
>Elemental did okay but it took a while
>Haunted Mansion underperformed, probably because it’s a Halloween movie with a July release (the movie itself is perfectly fine)
>The Marvels and Wish are currently competing for “biggest flop ever” which would unseat the likes of John Carter and Pluto Nash
Born too late to explore the world, born too early to explore the stars, born just in time to see Disney collapse before your eyes
>halloween movie
>july release
but why
Are you questioning the mouse and it’s genius?
Yeah that too, I was just considering movies and not the shows as well
She-Hulk, Ms. Marvel, and Ahsoka flopped in the ratings too, and Willow's (that was actually about mulatto lesbians) viewership was so bad, that it's worth more to Disney as lost media than it is taking up server space.
And they're still legally on the hook for something like $26 billion for Hulu.
D+ was conceived at Disney’s peak and is a billion dollar dumpster fire. They could have made hindreds of millions with deals with netflix, hulu, and others rather than losing billions.
>Indy 5 and the Dustbin of Destiny underperformed
It's a bomb, guaranteed to lose between 100-200 million putting it in the list of biggest bombs of all time
>Nigmaid underperformed
We still aren't sure but likely lost money or broke even at best, which is makes it a flop
Thank you putting it all in one delicious list anon
>Jeeter Pan
Lmaaooooo
how had I not heard this one before?
>240mil
lol frick off. It's not even at 200mil after 4 weeks. I doubt it can even get to 210 now. 240 would be a miracle
How does this flop have a budget of $270m???
That's higher than almost all Marvel Movies and even higher than Avengers 1.
What did they spend $270 million on? I want to see the figures. Brie Larson can't be earning RDJ money. So where do. The millions go?
It was a full-on COVID era production plus the director left super early and they likely delegated her duties to paid consultants.
Essentially the massively inflated budget is a tax on disorganization.
They spent a hundred million researching ways to make Brie seem like less of a c**t
It's actually more than $270 million. That number was the amount Disney spent making the movie in September ... 2022. There's an entire year of post-production missing.
Go woke go broke
lol
Neither of the movies he mentioned were sequels to films that grossed >$1 billion. Both were funded by a tech giant for the purpose of prestige, not profit. No one's giving Scorcese $200 million for a film about Injuns and oil with the expectation it'll be a big box office hit. Apple can lose hundreds of millions on movies and not have that make a dent in their financials.
I think it's fair to point it out when youtube shouty men/Cinemaphile goblins get so hyped up about their own power they throw multi week festivals when a movie does badly, not noticing that all the other movies that month also did bad. Only the Hunger Games did slightly better, and that is probably also barely making a profit.
he said people were committed to hating it "before" - where have you seen that indication?
of all the movies to circle the wagons for this year, this one is at the bottom of the list, it had only things working in its favor
You have cultivated your youtube very well then because it's been a common thing for years now for the content mills to just add brie larson making a face in the thumbnail of all sorts of "anti woke" slop.
okay but I fail to see how niche fanboy war youtubers would significantly affect change to the degree that is being implied by these twitter people
it would be one thing if it was major trades or publications writing articles about her, but it's just various echochambers without enough power to prevent a good movie from prevailing
The original twitter screencap was pointing out that a bunch of the trades are weirdly echoing the fanboys. It's notable that almost every other expensive movie also bombed in november, but their aren't 5 million "The End of Auteur Historical Epics?1!?1?" articles.
How are the trades "echoing fanboys"? They're simply reporting on facts and numbers that came after the movie bombed.
Why doesn't Disney just open up a gofundme for their shit movies? These people would probably give them tons of money
>global to date: $187 million
Kek who are those morons wasting million on marvels
White men, unfortunately
The problem with this is, sucess and failure is based on more things. Look at WB. The first Man of Steel movie made money but it didn't do the numbers they wanted or thought they would get so they changed their plans a bunch. Whether or not something is a flop is also based on the behaviour you see from the studio. The difference between their expectation versus reality.
Killers of the Flower Moon and Napoleon are BOTH also Apple TV+ productions (as well as in association with other studios). These films are about getting viewers and, more importantly, some level of prestige onto their streaming services by using well known filmmakers. Napoleon is apparently even going to get a director's cut when going to Apple TV+.
Whether or not these films are deemed successful is very different to a superhero franchise movie.
>Napoleon
>Box office narrative: triumphant
Now that's a strawman if I ever seen one. No one calls Marty's movie a moderate hit, no one just cares if it's not, because Apple clearly didn't otherwise it wouldn't be 200 mil.
The difference is the last two are oscar bait prestige films, they rarely make money.
>minority
Seems like a majority to me
I still cant comprehend why do movies are so fricking expensive
cause you are a brainlet
they aren't, 80% of the budgets go to the ~~*executives*~~ pockets. Ask yourself why japs can make godzilla films with 10 millions but the same film costs 200m in the west
>biggest opening from a female director
every single time a movie like this flops they find a way to give it a consolation prize
>biggest box office on a movie with 3 black handicapped, on of them from Boston, stunt coordinators filmed on August during the conjuction of Jupiter and Saturn on a jump year
>killers of the flower moon
>budget $200m
what the frick
90% went on reparations for the Indigenous First People Nations
all of them over 200 million
the absolute state of israelitellywood
how is it even possible to lose 400 fricking million dollars on a movie? what a monumental frickup. why is everyone who had a hand in that not fired and barred from working in the industry ever again?
*excluding marketing
and whose fault is that?
that's right.
Just goes to show how Hollywood needs to clean house.
Godzilla Minus One is a $15 million film, and it's not only more profitable, it looks better than the current western tentpoles.
Brie is box office poison, a bad actor, and a charisma void.
Literally funded by ESG funds of BlackRock.
Fricking hilarious.
That ca't be right, no way it makes beyond 208 million since it already fell below Dungeons & Dragons
TF? What's with the vertical?
Huge jump on viewers for the final showings on Sunday. Please understand
Ghost viewings at 3 AM.
D&D was actually a good movie
Still, a marvel movie losing to D&D is pretty sad.
>disney buys properties that appeal to males like MCU and star wars because disney is mostly known as a female brand
>turn the male properties into female properties
>lose money
how did this happen?
I actually saw this film. (I have a cinema subscription and see multiple films a month so didn't "pay for it" in the traditional sense.)
>Villain finds new McGuffin that can open doorways and uses it to steal planet resources from planets Captain Marvel "cares about" because Captain Marvel's actions from the first one wrecked her planet. (Carol killed Supreme Intelligence and made a Civil War that wrecked the planet.) She is without doubt one of the weakest, blandest and most boring villains you will ever see.
>Due to shenanigans, Ms Marvel, Monica Rambeau and Captain Marvel keep switching places when they use their powers but this isn't properly defined. Connected to the jump gates that are used for space travel.
>Scenes include them going to a planet where Captain Marvel is a princess and everyone has to sing (until they don't).
>Or when the alien cat from the first one made babies and they used the alien cats to swallow all the Space Station personel so they could get them on the only few working escape craft.
>Villain accidentally opens up a gateway to another universe and Monica closes it. Cue X-Men/Beast cameo.
>Movie is only 105 minutes, nothing is allowed to breath and rushes through the McGuffin, explanations of things etc.
>To add insult to injury at the end Captain Marvel goes to the villain's planet and reignites their Sun meaning the whole conflict was pointless because she always had the power to just help them begin to fix things.
I am not one of these people who constantly obsesses over and hates Brie Larson or gets bogged down in culture war narratives.. But damn this movie was not just dumb, it was so poorly edited, rushed, bizarre 100%. It was embarassing.
You should hate her. She's a b***h who can't act.
>nonsensical plot
>shitty characters
>not even 2 hours long despite having THREE leads
this was supposed to be a major movie event, but it's so bad not even normies are interested
I think the real problem with these movies isn't actually the diverse casts or woke messaging, it's the forced diversity in the writer's room that has drained away all the talent Marvel and Disney have
>I think the real problem with these movies isn't actually the diverse casts or woke messaging, it's the forced diversity in the writer's room that has drained away all the talent Marvel and Disney have
Writing has always been the issue. The 2008-9 Writers Strike was followed by Hollywood's push into getting cheaper and cheaper writers using the eager crop of Internet "writers". Writers used to be the king of TV. Nowadays have you noticed how we talk about showrunners/producers more than writers/directors? Most people don't really know who wrote or directed a lot of this stuff. I remember that Arrow TV (DC superhero show) on CW had fricking interns write some episodes once. Which also coincided with a decline in quality. Older writers were journeymen who had to cut their teeth in everything from short stories to magazines to everything. Current writers cut their teeth online writing garbage.
diversity hire writers are part of it but the diverse casts are too, as some just stink. Imani is super great and is going places but the other woman just isn’t lead material whatsoever. The villain is just Hiddleston’s wife who is not talented. They’re choosing representation over talent in the most racist way possible “put a black person in it” not “put an incredibly compelling black person in it”
Let's have a look at what went wrong here
>Dar Benn
Written so they could cast Zawe Ashton, who's engaged to Tom Hiddleston (Loki). She needed the work and Disney needed Hiddleston. She brings nothing to the movie but she got paid and killed off so that settles things with Tom.
>The Marvels keep switching
As everyone knows Carol is too powerful so they needed to inconvenience, but not depower her. They also needed an excuse for three characters with weak to non-existent connections to meet up and unite so let's kill two birds with one stone. This wasn't written with any particular consistency for switching in mind, like Monica transporting but not her astronaut suit but it makes the plot move forwards.
>Planets Carol has a connection to
Possibly the biggest problem with Captain Marvel is that general audiences do not like her. To make her more endearing the decision was made to soften her by giving her personal connections to places and people. This is supposed to make her more likable. But we don't have time to show these connections so we're just going to tell the audience Carol cares about these things and leave it at that.
con't
>The singing planet
This was supposed to draw in the Disney Princess little girl crowd. Captain Marvel is married to a space prince and sings and gets a princess dress. Disney mandated this but didn't have any specific instructions other than "Make her like a Princess" so we have disinterested writers, actors and a director deliver an insincere singing planet. This is probably what Iger meant by "Not enough on set supervision". Again this is supposed to make Carol more endearing to the audience.
>Space cats eating everyone
The cat from the first movie got consistently positive feedback and they needed something for Nick Fury and the space station to do. This is that something.
>Space portal
Villain dies, Carol and Monica get the big hero moments and we get the X-men cameo Disney is desperate to bring to the fore. The director actually said she wanted a lot more of this in the movie but Disney wouldn't let her.
>Movie is too short
Disney mandated this. The original cut was pushing 165 mins but a longer movie means less screenings per day. So we get a rushed and bloated movie.
>Carol just restarts the sun
Where characters land on the power scale is a big consideration for the brand and this is supposed to show Carol as the strongest using her power in a virtuous way. It doesn't make sense but you're not supposed to think about it, you're supposed to think Captain Marvel is really cool and powerful and awesome and inspirational and how much you can't wait to see her come back again.
In summary this movie is what happens when a committee mandates a list of requirements that shackles a production which the audience already had little interest in.
Appreciate the slop breakdown thanks anon
brie is box office poison
How good is Brie Larson at sucking dicks? She must be out of this world to keep getting roles, despite being absolute box office poison and hated by every actor she's ever worked with.
Anon, she is basically the most acclaimed female lead in the MCU. Fiege took oscar winner and turn her into this.
He own her.
Kevin Feige didn't tell Brie to say all that stupid shit at awards shows and press interviews, not according to any evidence I've seen
It's not about the money it's about demoralization
Well they're doing a terrible job because I'm ecstatic
Lmao do you feel threatened by a kiddie flick? Weak ass mind lmao
This comment means it's working.
The culture war against white males is justified
you watch, they'll blame the x-men after credit sequence somehow and in less than a year marvel will say "x-men are no longer happening please understand"
Lol, did they digitally manipulate cheesetoe's expression there?
Do actors even act anymore or just license their likenesses and talk shit on the promo tour?
Made more than godzilla minus one lol
Godzilla Minus One is a net profit however.
only because of budgets though
Godzilla is already profitable after less than a week.
The Marvels never will be.
Kick and scream all you want. It made more than godzilla minus one and more people went to see it.
>Leftist can't understand profitability
Many such cases
good films are rarely profitable, I don't believe PTA even made even once
>good films are rarely profitable
kek, in order to defend the Marvels, the shills now have to throw the entirety of the MCU under the bus, which were all highly profitable movies EXCEPT for the Marvels and maybe the incredible Hulk.
take your meds
touch grass
Hulk was probably still profitable. Theatrically? It probably lost money, but not much. $150 million budget vs. $265 million gross. The thing is, people bought BD/DVDs back in 2008. It did $80 million in sales in the U.S. alone. The Marvels has worse numbers and obviously isn't going to gross that much on home video.
No one's kicking and screaming. They're simply highlighting spending $300+ million on a movie frick all people go to see is stupid and if your audience is small you should adjust your production habits.
>the entire movies plot was irrelevant and Cheese Toes could have just fixed the villains grievances at any time with minimal effort
>thats exactly what she does at the end
????????
The MCU ended with Dafoe powerbombing Spider-man through an apartment building
That being said.... Rogue ended up losing control over ALL of her powers, in 2000, causing her to manifest claws ala Wolverine having to wear glasses ala Cyclops to block the eye beams she was now firing out of her head full time ala Cyclops. She ended up, via plot device, solving the issue during an alien invasion where she had all of her previously absorbed powers come back all at once which she used to destroy an alien fleet at the expense of ending up 100% powerless when she was done. She retired for a bit to shack up with Gambit but ended up having to get her powers restored via Sage/Tessa reluctantly, when she failed to stop Black Tom Cassidy from killing a bunch of people during an attack on the school.
However, she was back at square one with no Ms Marvel powers BUT that didn't last long. In a short lived Rogue ongoing book, Sunfire got his legs blown off and begged Rogue to take his powers before he died to avenge him/stop the bad guy who maimed him. Rogue now could fly again and shoot fire from her hands. HOWEVER, Sunfire survived the loss of his legs and kept his memories and powers even though Rogue now had them too permanently.
Rogue then got hit by a plague that caused her to develop a death touch and the memories of thousands of dead aliens killed by the virus which absorbed their souls. Mystique cured Rogue by making a baby Hope touch a comatose via alien voices in her head Rogue, which did another factory reset. Rogue then was told that Xavier had lied to her all these years and could have cured her but didn't because he wanted to "reform her" and he fixed her powers telepathically. But then Xavier died and Uncanny Avengers happened and Rogue did another "absorb everyone's powers" deal to fight the Celestials but she ended up losing everyone's powers but Wonder Man (who merged with her) and lost all control over her powers again. Simon eventually left her body but Rogue kept his powers of flight, invulnerability, and super strength.
Carol got depowered by Kurt Busiek who regressed her back to her Ms Marvel status but since Rogue was too popular to turn evil, had to do a drinking problem arc to sidestep addressing how Carol having her life ruined by Rogue and became a footnote character. Since then, other writers tend to treat Binary as a sort of "power up" ala Super Saiyan for Carol and while Rogue and Carol no longer hate each other, it's largely due to Carol getting another more extensive mindwipe via alien tech because Kelly Sue DeConnick didn't want to do any research and used a mindwipe to basically recreate Carol from scratch her her perverted image of a feminazi.
>FNAF movie with 0$ budget and released day 0 on streaming grossed more
Holy......... FRICK.
It's all chud's fault, they refused to watch it
>movies cost more and more and look way worse than movies made 10 years ago for half the budget
how??
Competency crisis meeting with inflated wages for anyone remotely recognisable
brie is box office poison