Damien shouldn't exist. Cassandra should be Bruce's true heir.
Damian should exist, Cassandra should be Batman's heir, Damian should seethe endlessly and have harebrained schemes to seduce her and marry his way into heirdom.
>Dick Grayson?
The Original Gay Boy
>Tim Drake?
Bernard's b***h
>Helena Wayne?
Stuck in Limbo
>Terry?
Ain't nothing but a Jerry
>Damian?
Brat, and killed
>Cassandra Cain?
Their fans live in pain
There's only one true heir to the Bruce Wayne, and that's Bruce Wayne Jr. Jr is the true heir, not some gay boy, bisexual, clone, rape child, or autist.
Damian should exist, Cassandra should be Batman's heir, Damian should seethe endlessly and have harebrained schemes to seduce her and marry his way into heirdom.
I'm the biggest cassgay ever and even I don't believe that. Cass is too specialized to be a Batman replacement. Any "heir" of his has to be an all-rounder.
Damian still shouldn't exist though because Damian invalidates all other Robins including Dick.
I grew up with Tim and I have no problem with Damian.
Damian stans are the most likely to claim he invalidates the other Robins because Damian doesn't really have an unique hook beyond being Bruce's biokid and has pretty weak dynamics with Bruce compared to others.
Despite the bad OP this appears to be the only Batgirl thread we get this week, so I'll take this opportunity to point out that Cassandra finally did something in Birds of Prey: she springs the rest of the team out of jail. Yay.
She also has a brief but ultimately useless tussle with WW, which was interesting because she uses a lot of gadgets in it, and she's rarely depicted doing that.
Despite the bad OP this appears to be the only Batgirl thread we get this week, so I'll take this opportunity to point out that Cassandra finally did something in Birds of Prey: she springs the rest of the team out of jail. Yay.
She also has a brief but ultimately useless tussle with WW, which was interesting because she uses a lot of gadgets in it, and she's rarely depicted doing that.
Kelly Thompson reads as one of those people who like certain characters because they're "stronk women" but doesn't actually have a grasp of their personalities.
>>She also has a brief but ultimately useless tussle with WW, which was interesting because she uses a lot of gadgets in it, and she's rarely depicted doing that.
I'd take it as proof Wondy is REALLY a nasty opponent if she forces Cass to use gadgets
I never got why people were so into the idea of Cass taking over for Bruce when by all means her obsession with the mantle was framed as unhealthy in her own book. Basically her substituting her dad's programming for another kind of dogma.
Not really, only gabyrch portrayed it as such, and he was writing backwards towards cass needing to stop being batgirl, but invalidated her whole journey.
Well yes, the no kill thing predates bruce, its her fundamental value.
Uninteresting maybe?
One could honestly say the same about every character, contrast is always necessary, specially for interesting conflicts, but I feel like Damian is an inherently argumentative character that naturally contrasts with anyone he comes around.
I feel like alone he just gets treated as in the right with his self hype and with bruce its the same personality reflected back? He needs someone to contrast with to be entertaining i feel.
>go back to dick
Damn you want Damian to turn back into sperm and go back into Bruce's ballsack?
Nah be with dick grayson
>i still suggest making him flamebird
Frick Bette I guess.
I like bette...but i think flamebird being dick's actual sideckick works better.
He's egotistical and a jerk. He needs someone to play off of who can either show off his better traits, put him in his place, or bounce off of him. It's why a lot of interactions with him fall flat, too many characters who just kinda go along with him being shitty for zero reason or contrasting personality but no good back and forth.
>too many characters who just kinda go along with him being shitty for zero reason or contrasting personality but no good back and forth.
Anon at least pretend to know what you're talking about
5 months ago
T-o-C-A
Being fair, a lot of the interactions are just the person being annoyed at damian but not really pushing back beyond a snippy comment that doesnt affect him at all.
5 months ago
Anonymous
>but not really pushing back beyond a snippy comment
as opposed to...?
No new Batman characters created after the 90s should have ever existedexcept Hush, and maybe Professor Pig just for the version of him that was in Gotham
He had some good stories after his debut, he's justified his place in the Batman rogues gallery. Constantly growing the Batfamily with 20 years of worthless OCs has been a huge mistake.
>He had some good stories after his debut, he's justified his place in the Batman rogues gallery.
Not really, Heart of Hush is ok but isn't that good.And that's basically it.
I also think his design is pretty uninspired.Guns and trenchcoat man just seems like something a teenager would design after reading too much image.
I've never really found Damian annoying, but that's just me.
5 months ago
T-o-C-A
Idk if annoying's the right word? But like he's kinda flat without a contrasting character?
5 months ago
Anonymous
Uninteresting maybe?
One could honestly say the same about every character, contrast is always necessary, specially for interesting conflicts, but I feel like Damian is an inherently argumentative character that naturally contrasts with anyone he comes around.
The real question is should Damian had stayed dead? Morrison planned for him to die and stay that way. Not sure why he thought creating and killing the son of Batman was going to stick.
Damian was originally going to die in Batman and Son. Then Morrison realized he could build his entire run around the character and saved his death till the very end. He was always going to die.
> Damian fricking dies > Tim is still fricked over
The True Heir is Terrence McGinnis and Carrie Kelly, because even Cass and Damian abandoned him, while Carrie and Terry never abandoned the old man even when he was at the Death's Door.
If the rumors are right, next year's beyond comic will feature her. And Terry will inherit Bruce's fortune and Money from Damian to rebuild Neo Gotham into what it is in DCAU timeline
Talia is dead and Damian stopped being Batman before he tested the Batsuit after a fight with Bruce to take over the League, Bruce tested the suit and the events of his retirement happened.
He's egotistical and a jerk. He needs someone to play off of who can either show off his better traits, put him in his place, or bounce off of him. It's why a lot of interactions with him fall flat, too many characters who just kinda go along with him being shitty for zero reason or contrasting personality but no good back and forth.
Plenty of Arabs aren’t even dark-skinned. Plenty of Arabs are white-looking. Persians, Lebanese, Iranians. She’s not even a full Arab, she’s part Chinese.
>Plenty of Arabs aren’t even dark-skinned. Plenty of Arabs are white-looking.
All Arabs must be dark brown, otherwise it's whitewashing and you're a white supremacist.
>Plenty of Arabs aren’t even dark-skinned. Plenty of Arabs are white-looking.
All Arabs must be dark brown, otherwise it's whitewashing and you're a white supremacist.
Here's the thing- as a white, brunette beauty, Talia will always be second fiddle to Selina.
As a dark skinned arab, she still is second fiddle but at least she has exotic appeal. Yeah white arabs exist but no one really cares about them because they're just weird white people in funny outfits.
Talia was only painted as dark skin cause moronic tumblr tards think Arab = brown and have drawn Damian and Talia as brown despite Talia and Ra’s being drawn as white for decades
>my shitty yellow fever mary sue waifu who doesn't sell should be Batman's heir!!!
asiaticgirl homosexuals are imsufferable trannies
terry is bruce's heir
asiaticgirl anon won me over: cassgays that make these insipid threads to talk about how their waifu is perfect gives off huge troony safe space vibes, especially with the namegays.
She had multiple chances to become a popular character, and she didn't. No amount of coping about her potential matters if she never lives up to it.
Makes sense that illiterate morons are asiaticgirl's fanbase lmao
asiaticgirl anon won me over: cassgays that make these insipid threads to talk about how their waifu is perfect gives off huge troony safe space vibes, especially with the namegays.
She had multiple chances to become a popular character, and she didn't. No amount of coping about her potential matters if she never lives up to it.
The best starting point is to read her origin Batman #567, that's her first ever appearence continuing with Detective Comics #734, (for more context you could read the later half of No Man's land which was generally good) , legends of the dark knight #120, her appearences in Azrael #56-61, Batman #569, after that i'd reccomend the entirety of her first run Batgirl #1-37 (most of the run is collected in trades) which connects to the Bruce Wayne: Murderer storyline, there's her appearences in Gotham Knights particualrly issues #2 #5, #34-36 ,#45-49,there's also the story in the secret files and origins book and the dc first batgirl issue, i'd also reccomend superboy # 85 for the superboy-cass dynamic the Dylan Horrocks run is pretty great too lasting from Batgirl #39-57 (the last bunch of issues are just War games tie ins tho), there's her appearence in Nightwing's book that has a fantastic moment #81 and batman family #7 the Gabrych run is a lot more hit or miss i'd say and it lasts from #58 to the end of the wrong, but admitbely most of the things i had issues with were editorially mandated, the 2008 mini is historically important but its very very mixed, Dixon's Outsiders (1-14) run features cass heavily and has a few of her most well known moments. Justice League Elite features her at a specific point so i'd reccomend it. In terms of stuff with Black Bat her two appearnces in Red Robin are pretty good, as is the whole of the gates of gotham series. Convergence batgirl has her but in a very very minor role. There's one pretty solid future's end issue of batgirl that has her too. Batman and Robin eternal is hit or miss but it features her reintroduction into canon so i'd read it. The entirety of Tynion Detective Comics's run features cass very heavily and in a good role. The following run (outsiders set up) was pretty solid and i'd reccomend the latest batman and the outsiders stuff.
Suppose they were to adapt her into something more mainstream, she'd be better off connected to a more famous character than a nobody like David Cain. Her mother being Lady Shiva is great. But her father should be someone like Deathstroke or even Bane. Probably Bane if they still want to use Rose. Unless they'd want to combine the two. If not, Bane.
>she'd be better off connected to a more famous character than a nobody like David Cain
Does it really matter? You just need Cain to not be the 'bestest kiler evah that no one's heard about and totes trained Bruce.' Some washed up assassin/LoA guy (which he basically was) is good enough.
That reminds me, why does she use his last name and not go by Gordon or Wayne? To Cain, she was just a weapon. He didn't even teach her how to read, write or even speak. But to Babs, she was essentially her adopted daughter. She took her in, named her and taught her how to read and write. Bruce adopted her wholesale making her a Wayne.
>but not really pushing back beyond a snippy comment
as opposed to...?
More of a back and forth where he;s actually forced to engage with it more (see dick or jon or steph i guess). Essentially when he isnt potrayed as more infallible? I dunno, i personally mostly meant alone or with bruce whose dynamic with him is really dull.
5 months ago
Anonymous
>bruce whose dynamic with him is really dull.
Forgot asiaticgirl gays hate Tomasi and have no taste
>she was essentially her adopted daughter.
Did Gordon even know Cass was living with Babs or that she was raising her? I seem to recall him seeing her during NML(besides her saving him from Cain) when Babs is showing her how to speak but after NML was he aware she stuck around?
>To Cain, she was just a weapon.
Only if you did not read her fricking book.
David and Cass love each other as family DESPITE David initially making Cass only as Hail Mary for his experiment.
Them having a complicated relationship is what make it interesting.
She didn't have a name. Babs was the one who named her Cassandra.
I guess Cain never bothered(especially because he would talk to her so little it would be mostly useless), Babs tried to give her a name, Cass did end up liking Cassandra, and Cain just rolled with because Cass liked the name.
To Batman she's Batgirl, though.
...that's the perfect bullshit portraying their relationships-
5 months ago
T-o-C-A
It was directly stated babs named her (which i mean, makes sense, babs has the greek thing on lock) but then later there was a contradictory thing which implied david had named her which made no sense.
Neither should exist. And why would Bruce choose a D-lister he doesn't even really care for over his sons? How is a literal autistic moron like Cass going to run a billion dollar company?
>Tim's a constant in media
His costume is. Plus, DCAU Tim is just Jason in all but name.
5 months ago
Anonymous
Still shows up to this day? Was in titans and the arkham games and yj...that's constant.
And sure. Doesn't change it counts as him officially.
5 months ago
Anonymous
It was stupid to use Tim in Gotham Knights. And Babs.
It's a story about the death of Batman, the Court of Owls, and Talia secretly resurrecting Bruce. They could have made a tight two-player game with Dick and Damian, or even a single player game of Dick with Damian as AI support with an actually good storyline.
this but with Dick Grayson instead
>Dick Grayson?
The Original Gay Boy
>Tim Drake?
Bernard's b***h
>Helena Wayne?
Stuck in Limbo
>Terry?
Ain't nothing but a Jerry
>Damian?
Brat, and killed
>Cassandra Cain?
Their fans live in pain
There's only one true heir to the Bruce Wayne, and that's Bruce Wayne Jr. Jr is the true heir, not some gay boy, bisexual, clone, rape child, or autist.
Bruce Wayne Jr.?
You mean Dick Grayson's original sidekick?
Proving Dick Grayson is still the one true heir?
She can't be Batman, she's a girl stupid.
He was cool in Generations
Damien can say homie because he's half African.
No he isn't. Talia is Arab/Chinese.
Damian should exist, Cassandra should be Batman's heir, Damian should seethe endlessly and have harebrained schemes to seduce her and marry his way into heirdom.
>today I’ll remind them that Cass / Tim is endgame in one possible future
Incorrect. Tsundere girl Damien was the way to go.
Making Damian a girl is unironically the only thing that would have not fricked over Tim
Nah, because she’d still be a Robin. A female Robin that would’ve been pushed to oblivion. Tim was fricked either way.
There are no female robins. They’d probably make girl Damian another batgirl or actually give her a new identity.
>There are no female robins
We’ve had four. Carrie, Stephanie, Helena and Maps.
And how long did they last? Damian would at best be a temporary fem Robin before becoming batgirl or something else
Is it really that difficult to have a permanent female Robin?
UUUUUOOGH DAMN BRAT NEEDS CORRECTION
Ew pedo
>Damien
It's Damian.
Pre-Crisis: Dick
Post-Crisis: Tim
Pre-Rebirth and Post-Rebirth: No one.
I'm the biggest cassgay ever and even I don't believe that. Cass is too specialized to be a Batman replacement. Any "heir" of his has to be an all-rounder.
Damian still shouldn't exist though because Damian invalidates all other Robins including Dick.
>Damian still shouldn't exist though because Damian invalidates all other Robins including Dick
The only who says that are Tim gays.
t. Dick gay.
I grew up with Tim and I have no problem with Damian.
Damian stans are the most likely to claim he invalidates the other Robins because Damian doesn't really have an unique hook beyond being Bruce's biokid and has pretty weak dynamics with Bruce compared to others.
Despite the bad OP this appears to be the only Batgirl thread we get this week, so I'll take this opportunity to point out that Cassandra finally did something in Birds of Prey: she springs the rest of the team out of jail. Yay.
She also has a brief but ultimately useless tussle with WW, which was interesting because she uses a lot of gadgets in it, and she's rarely depicted doing that.
I hate how Barda is written in this, yes she blunt and loves fighting but she talks and acts like a regular woman not the fricking Hulk.
Kelly Thompson reads as one of those people who like certain characters because they're "stronk women" but doesn't actually have a grasp of their personalities.
Sadly
i would put money on her entire knowledge of barda is "super strong, tall, from apokolips" and went "what if her english is bad? that would be funny"
It was ok
>>She also has a brief but ultimately useless tussle with WW, which was interesting because she uses a lot of gadgets in it, and she's rarely depicted doing that.
I'd take it as proof Wondy is REALLY a nasty opponent if she forces Cass to use gadgets
I never got why people were so into the idea of Cass taking over for Bruce when by all means her obsession with the mantle was framed as unhealthy in her own book. Basically her substituting her dad's programming for another kind of dogma.
Not really, only gabyrch portrayed it as such, and he was writing backwards towards cass needing to stop being batgirl, but invalidated her whole journey.
Horrocks made it seem unhealthy too, even if you don't see it that way.
Not really, horrocks showed her deriving meaning from it and being lost with it.
She took the no-killing rule way too seriously to the point of springing child murderers out from death row.
To be fair, she is autistic and really should not be left to her own devices.
Well yes, the no kill thing predates bruce, its her fundamental value.
I feel like alone he just gets treated as in the right with his self hype and with bruce its the same personality reflected back? He needs someone to contrast with to be entertaining i feel.
Nah be with dick grayson
I like bette...but i think flamebird being dick's actual sideckick works better.
He's egotistical and a jerk. He needs someone to play off of who can either show off his better traits, put him in his place, or bounce off of him. It's why a lot of interactions with him fall flat, too many characters who just kinda go along with him being shitty for zero reason or contrasting personality but no good back and forth.
>too many characters who just kinda go along with him being shitty for zero reason or contrasting personality but no good back and forth.
Anon at least pretend to know what you're talking about
Being fair, a lot of the interactions are just the person being annoyed at damian but not really pushing back beyond a snippy comment that doesnt affect him at all.
>but not really pushing back beyond a snippy comment
as opposed to...?
Cass and Steph should get married.
No new Batman characters created after the 90s should have ever existedexcept Hush, and maybe Professor Pig just for the version of him that was in Gotham
>except Hush
sorry you're moronic anon.
He had some good stories after his debut, he's justified his place in the Batman rogues gallery. Constantly growing the Batfamily with 20 years of worthless OCs has been a huge mistake.
>He had some good stories after his debut, he's justified his place in the Batman rogues gallery.
Not really, Heart of Hush is ok but isn't that good.And that's basically it.
I also think his design is pretty uninspired.Guns and trenchcoat man just seems like something a teenager would design after reading too much image.
i hate damian so, so much
Based frick damian.
Why?
He's annoying
Nah, he's based.
Damian's fine if he has someone to balance him out, otherwise he's annoying
I've never really found Damian annoying, but that's just me.
Idk if annoying's the right word? But like he's kinda flat without a contrasting character?
Uninteresting maybe?
One could honestly say the same about every character, contrast is always necessary, specially for interesting conflicts, but I feel like Damian is an inherently argumentative character that naturally contrasts with anyone he comes around.
The real question is should Damian had stayed dead? Morrison planned for him to die and stay that way. Not sure why he thought creating and killing the son of Batman was going to stick.
iirc, it was morrison who brought damian back because he started to like him over time
Damian was originally going to die in Batman and Son. Then Morrison realized he could build his entire run around the character and saved his death till the very end. He was always going to die.
Tim sucks. He should never have come at the king.
But ttgo robin is a pissy b***h who is always potrayed as wrong.
> Damian fricking dies
> Tim is still fricked over
Either stay dead or go back to dick tbh
>go back to dick
Damn you want Damian to turn back into sperm and go back into Bruce's ballsack?
The True Heir is Terrence McGinnis and Carrie Kelly, because even Cass and Damian abandoned him, while Carrie and Terry never abandoned the old man even when he was at the Death's Door.
>miller and the dcau contrive the situation so batman is all alone
>This means characters that didnt exist at that point are bad!
Huh?
Cass and Damian don't exist in either of those universes.
I’d honestly want a series with the two of them acting as Batman and Robin.
If the rumors are right, next year's beyond comic will feature her.
And Terry will inherit Bruce's fortune and Money from Damian to rebuild Neo Gotham into what it is in DCAU timeline
Did Ra's not steal Talia's body in this continuity?
It's an offshoot of the main DCU.
Talia is dead and Damian stopped being Batman before he tested the Batsuit after a fight with Bruce to take over the League, Bruce tested the suit and the events of his retirement happened.
Yes please
Some random guy completely unrelated.
Just have Cass and Damian marry as soon as he is of age for optimal eugenics.
There should be an anti-eugenics based villain who hates Damien because Damien keeps talking about his superior blood
>as soon as he is of age
why wait? she needs to pin him down and breed a generation of autistic, elistist superninjas
Damian and Cass really need to interact more.
Pretty sure he had a crush on her Pre-Flashpoint.
Damian had a crush on Katana, after she put a knife to Hush-pretending-to-be-Bruce -Wayne during Streets of Gotham.
He also had a crush on Stephanie. That or he just liked looking at her breasts.
Reminder that if their lives had gone as intended, Cass would have ended up becoming Damian's handler.
Like a tard wrangler?
Isn't Cass the actual tard?
I thought she was going to be more of an assassin/bodyguard for the Demon's Head.
Retconning cass as that involved with the loa was dumb, its fine for like an adaptation but in mainstream its eh
No, that was good and opened up new story paths (of which they unfortunately took the worst one).
Idk, it was always kinda clunky tbh.
Yeah basically.
I like Damian 🙂
Why’s his skin so dark? Talia doesn’t have dark skin and Bruce is white as hell.
He forgot his sunscreen don't be mean.
Americans think all non-European people look like Mexicans.
Talia is painted as dark lately
Plenty of Arabs aren’t even dark-skinned. Plenty of Arabs are white-looking. Persians, Lebanese, Iranians. She’s not even a full Arab, she’s part Chinese.
>Plenty of Arabs aren’t even dark-skinned. Plenty of Arabs are white-looking.
All Arabs must be dark brown, otherwise it's whitewashing and you're a white supremacist.
Here's the thing- as a white, brunette beauty, Talia will always be second fiddle to Selina.
As a dark skinned arab, she still is second fiddle but at least she has exotic appeal. Yeah white arabs exist but no one really cares about them because they're just weird white people in funny outfits.
Catwoman is Latina isn't she?
Catwoman works as any race as long as she's a brunette
Wasn't she a blonde in btas
At first but they retconned it to be bleached.
Not always. Under Loeb, she's Italian and a Falcone.
>Plenty of Arabs are white-looking. Persians, Lebanese, Iranians
Are you trying to start shit?
For a while now
Talia was only painted as dark skin cause moronic tumblr tards think Arab = brown and have drawn Damian and Talia as brown despite Talia and Ra’s being drawn as white for decades
>Talia was only painted as dark skin cause moronic tumblr tards
She's been colored tan since at least the 90's though.
She isn't even tan in the latest B&R issue
well neither is Damian.
Damian and Cassandra should birth the true heir
>illiterate moron should be the worlds greatest detectives heir
lmao
Yes
No
Makes sense that illiterate morons are asiaticgirl's fanbase lmao
>my shitty yellow fever mary sue waifu who doesn't sell should be Batman's heir!!!
asiaticgirl homosexuals are imsufferable trannies
terry is bruce's heir
Imagine samegayging this hard
That isn't what "samegayging" means, newbie.
asiaticgirl anon won me over: cassgays that make these insipid threads to talk about how their waifu is perfect gives off huge troony safe space vibes, especially with the namegays.
She had multiple chances to become a popular character, and she didn't. No amount of coping about her potential matters if she never lives up to it.
Reccomendations for her?
She should learn to write.
The best starting point is to read her origin Batman #567, that's her first ever appearence continuing with Detective Comics #734, (for more context you could read the later half of No Man's land which was generally good) , legends of the dark knight #120, her appearences in Azrael #56-61, Batman #569, after that i'd reccomend the entirety of her first run Batgirl #1-37 (most of the run is collected in trades) which connects to the Bruce Wayne: Murderer storyline, there's her appearences in Gotham Knights particualrly issues #2 #5, #34-36 ,#45-49,there's also the story in the secret files and origins book and the dc first batgirl issue, i'd also reccomend superboy # 85 for the superboy-cass dynamic the Dylan Horrocks run is pretty great too lasting from Batgirl #39-57 (the last bunch of issues are just War games tie ins tho), there's her appearence in Nightwing's book that has a fantastic moment #81 and batman family #7 the Gabrych run is a lot more hit or miss i'd say and it lasts from #58 to the end of the wrong, but admitbely most of the things i had issues with were editorially mandated, the 2008 mini is historically important but its very very mixed, Dixon's Outsiders (1-14) run features cass heavily and has a few of her most well known moments. Justice League Elite features her at a specific point so i'd reccomend it. In terms of stuff with Black Bat her two appearnces in Red Robin are pretty good, as is the whole of the gates of gotham series. Convergence batgirl has her but in a very very minor role. There's one pretty solid future's end issue of batgirl that has her too. Batman and Robin eternal is hit or miss but it features her reintroduction into canon so i'd read it. The entirety of Tynion Detective Comics's run features cass very heavily and in a good role. The following run (outsiders set up) was pretty solid and i'd reccomend the latest batman and the outsiders stuff.
It is neat to see this having the superboy issue 😉
That was later from horrocks's run, not the superboy issue, but yes am aware
I could call this "Cass000".
Its a great moment, honestly kelley was a good writer for cass, wish he had done more with her
>74 issues
Damm. The way people here talk about her I expected her to have a niche 20 issue run that was cut short...not 74
Cass had the first Batgirl ongoing series. That is part of the reason why she still has fans after all these years of malice and neglect on DC's part.
Post the other Pop Mhan pic. You know the one.
I know precisely what you mean.
Yes haha Yes!
Why is she smirking? Who's got into the bathroom?
Bruce.
Based. Her feelings for him should be equivocal.
Cass! You've got a crush on the boss!
Tim. She is smirking because he is basically a eunuch.
More supported than every other cass ship...
kind of, Superboy got more issues and she straight up kissed other boys. That just has hints and a non-canon story.
Her co creator wanted tim
Shiva with Damian
>Cain, cover yourself! what's the meaning of this? I was promised the best oyakodon I've ever tasted!
thanks
Suppose they were to adapt her into something more mainstream, she'd be better off connected to a more famous character than a nobody like David Cain. Her mother being Lady Shiva is great. But her father should be someone like Deathstroke or even Bane. Probably Bane if they still want to use Rose. Unless they'd want to combine the two. If not, Bane.
Nah
>she'd be better off connected to a more famous character than a nobody like David Cain
Does it really matter? You just need Cain to not be the 'bestest kiler evah that no one's heard about and totes trained Bruce.' Some washed up assassin/LoA guy (which he basically was) is good enough.
That reminds me, why does she use his last name and not go by Gordon or Wayne? To Cain, she was just a weapon. He didn't even teach her how to read, write or even speak. But to Babs, she was essentially her adopted daughter. She took her in, named her and taught her how to read and write. Bruce adopted her wholesale making her a Wayne.
Cain might not even be his name actually. I think its more so what she was called due to that association?
She didn't have a name. Babs was the one who named her Cassandra.
Yes, that's what i said.
More of a back and forth where he;s actually forced to engage with it more (see dick or jon or steph i guess). Essentially when he isnt potrayed as more infallible? I dunno, i personally mostly meant alone or with bruce whose dynamic with him is really dull.
>bruce whose dynamic with him is really dull.
Forgot asiaticgirl gays hate Tomasi and have no taste
I don't think anyone calls her Cassandra for something like 10 issues of her solo series.
Babs names her in the No Man's Land novelization by Greg Rucka.
>she was essentially her adopted daughter.
Did Gordon even know Cass was living with Babs or that she was raising her? I seem to recall him seeing her during NML(besides her saving him from Cain) when Babs is showing her how to speak but after NML was he aware she stuck around?
>To Cain, she was just a weapon.
Only if you did not read her fricking book.
David and Cass love each other as family DESPITE David initially making Cass only as Hail Mary for his experiment.
Them having a complicated relationship is what make it interesting.
She got it right by pure chance I think
Do agree with the david thing. But he didnt name her, that was a later retcon
I guess Cain never bothered(especially because he would talk to her so little it would be mostly useless), Babs tried to give her a name, Cass did end up liking Cassandra, and Cain just rolled with because Cass liked the name.
To Batman she's Batgirl, though.
...that's the perfect bullshit portraying their relationships-
It was directly stated babs named her (which i mean, makes sense, babs has the greek thing on lock) but then later there was a contradictory thing which implied david had named her which made no sense.
>gets one shotted by a grappling hook
no
Love cass. Isn't someone missing from this thread?
Your dad is missing from your life, troony
There's only one person who calls her that. It's not even ther right slur.
I call her a asiatic too moron
agree
Anon the user count stayed the same, you know what that means?
Simp Take
Just admit you want to frick her character already anon
I love Cassandra!
>I love Cassandra!
Me too.
Ah, I found another.
Here's a recent one.
more farmgirl cass please, overalls and no shirt is a based look
Agreed.
Assandra Cain, Buttgirl.
And her partner, Boobgirl. The World's Fattest (ass and breasts)
Fat?
People only like this asiatic because of the dumb gimp suit she wears
Cass is the worst Batgirl, but she would make a better Robin
I would like to see an Elseworlds story where Cass is Robin.
Got more?
Not as much as I would like.
Neither should exist. And why would Bruce choose a D-lister he doesn't even really care for over his sons? How is a literal autistic moron like Cass going to run a billion dollar company?
>a D-lister he doesn't even really care for over his sons?
>implying Jason and Tim aren't D-listers at this point
None of them are? The robins are rather popular, and cass is decently popular especially for a character that was banned from continuity for a while.
Twitter doesn't count.
Tim's a constant in media, Jason has the most popular batman animated movie and game...
>Tim's a constant in media
His costume is. Plus, DCAU Tim is just Jason in all but name.
Still shows up to this day? Was in titans and the arkham games and yj...that's constant.
And sure. Doesn't change it counts as him officially.
It was stupid to use Tim in Gotham Knights. And Babs.
It's a story about the death of Batman, the Court of Owls, and Talia secretly resurrecting Bruce. They could have made a tight two-player game with Dick and Damian, or even a single player game of Dick with Damian as AI support with an actually good storyline.
I'd argue they're all B-listers.
Tim and Jason are both far more popular than Cass.
Bruce doesn't run his company.
cassgays should suffer and their vapid waifu should die
Dick was the only Dick
No more?
I think this is the last one.
Cute cass
Got some other ones myself, and getting a new one...
Nice
Hard agree
I wish Damien was more like this chad than his current homosexual self.
Damm