>Dana says that Disney canceled The Owl House beacuse it was too serialized
>Disney orders two cartoons starring witches, one serialized as frick for Disney+ and one comedy driven for Disney Channel
What did they meant by this?
>Dana says that Disney canceled The Owl House beacuse it was too serialized
It was cope
they can't breathe
Get rid of Dana of course.
Yeah she honestly sounds like she’d be a pain in the ass to work with
t. Viv
guy doesn't use a trip you moronic homosexual.
Her show was delivered late, which messes with every show scheduled behind it. Had it not been late, Disney would have given her the full season. This is just diva-like entitlement.
Proof?
Like every other theory presented here, I can't provide proof nor do I possess inside knowledge at Disney. I do have generalized knowledge of how budgeting and production scheduling works.
Production happens years in advance. That's doubly so for animation. Budget is set aside for development every year, and Disney consistently produces a couple of new internal shows every television season. They run a tight ship.
When a show is delayed, it causes something like a traffic jam, where a single car slows down two cars, two cars slow down 4, and so on until the jam forms. Delays have other effects beyond scheduling. It messes with accounting, because a lot of it is done in advance based on estimates.
Owl House did that. It was announced for the same year as Amphibia. But it was late by 2 tv seasons. We can debate the whys of the delay, but the delay itself is true. During that time, Disney reran other shows because they only plan for two new cartoons a season, and nothing else was ready. By the time season 3 rolled around, Disney didn't want to spend more money on it because they had a bunch of shows ready to go.
Ask yourself this. If all Disney wanted to do was shorten the season, why did they release 3 double episodes instead of 6 regular episodes? Because 3 episodes meant fewer premiers in the schedule. If the show was cancelled for any other reason stated here - not wanting a gay show, not wanting to deal with Dana anymore, etc - they would have shitcanned her immediately. They had no obligation to give her a season 3. They don't even have an obligation to keep her on season 3.
You sure it wasn't just a simple quirk of the schedule?
I'm saying it's completely the schedule.
Dana's show was late. It delayed other shows. You can't penalize other people for your own lateness.
That's a lot of words to say, No.
It's a few of paragraphs asking you to use your power of reasoning and deduction, because you'll never get an answer about this directly from Disney, and any other answer is just as anecdotal as this one, except they require head canon narratives not bound by logic. But believe what you want to believe.
Really, that's what it is, and unless some executive decides on a tell-all, we only have Dana's word. And from the looks of it, it's simply because they can't rerun the show out of order.
Are you really incapable of making a conjecture?
I can make a conjecture. It just seems cut and dry.
I subscribe to Rebecca Rose's interpretation of the scenario: the simple structure of cable television was what sealed the show's fate.
>I subscribe to Rebecca Rose's interpretation of the scenario: the simple structure of cable television was what sealed the show's fate.
Really? Not the creator losing her shit at the CEO in public?
It was a policy difference, not an ad hominem attack.
She was telling people not to buy disney merch. That's not just a fricking policy difference.
Less talk, more pron from you.
That's social media for you.
This entire thread is conjecture. You can look at the facts, look to the past for similar situations, or you can take the words of a biased party at face value.
Really, can we just get this thread closed already? It's been months since the show ended.
Ohhhhhh.
Your pulling shit out of your ass.
Well, what else is there?
Hey, don't people have a right to stupidity?
Autism.
It's ironic that D thought they were getting a more professional Sugar
Most reasonable argument i've seen so far.
Disney saw too late how popular the Owl House was and is trying to copy that popularity.
If they saw how popular it was then why they haven't asked Dana to make books like Matt Braly is doing rn with Amphibia
Bridge Burned. Also
https://twitter.com/DisneyAPromos/status/1507565485176471556?s=20
Wew, can’t see shit, thanks Edong
>how popular the Owl House was
any source?
This is completely in-line with Disney's larger market strategy and it's funny to me Cinemaphile doesn't want to admit it because it would be giving a point in favor of Owl House
Disney has been about capitalizing on trends for the last fifty years.
Weren’t these in production before Owl House got popular?
1. Dana is hard to work with.
2. Dana shoving visible lesbians into her show makes it hard to market internationally.
3. Both Dana and Alex constantly shit-talk Disney on social media where they have large followings. Everything they said ended up being a headline somewhere.
4. TOH did not do well with its intended demographic.
5. TOH was too expensive for the small return they were getting-- not to say it was an crazy expensive show, but the cost was not worth it since the viewer count as not growing.
Dana is coping by saying the show was too serialized or too mature or whatever. Disney just wanted her fricking gone, that's it. The original person who helped get TOH greenlit was not there anymore and the new guy did not like having a troublesome showrunner who was constantly shit talking the company and upset their core Christian market while making a costly show that can't be aired overseas.
>1. Dana is hard to work with.
Maybe, but isn't it true of every artist?
>2. Dana shoving visible lesbians into her show makes it hard to market internationally.
Why did it get popular in Latin America, then?
>3. Both Dana and Alex constantly shit-talk Disney on social media where they have large followings. Everything they said ended up being a headline somewhere.
Lots of people criticize Disney all the time, why single them out?
>4. TOH did not do well with its intended demographic.
Which demographic?
>5. TOH was too expensive for the small return they were getting-- not to say it was an crazy expensive show, but the cost was not worth it since the viewer count as not growing.
Plausible, but it was clearly a splurge of money.
Hi Dana. Cope harder, b***h.
What the hell are you talking about?
Obsessed shitbrains can't handle anyone disagreeing with their embarrassingly idiotic narrative.
>disney is sinking
>somehow revenues are also up, but ignore this because it doesn't suit my tantrum
pathetic
Hi Alex
How's that next season of Inside Job going
Why do they live rent free in your head?
>No. Many artists either comply or only fight in the background.
Are you in the industry?
>Gay = lose money. This pride month proved it.
Proof?
>Shit talking your employer, especially your artistic patron, is moronic.
Why are the writers striking, then?
>Young boys. Mainly just weirdo adults (like horse show), but with no merch.
It's a Disney Channel show. They're usually targeted at girls. How many of them watched, that's the real question.
>No
It was on cable. Of course the ratings were in decline, lots of people are cutting cable.
>Proof?
An entire bottler just shut down and laid off 600+ employees, make a guess which beer
External interference.
Not her.
Arabs have been censoring for years, this is just par for the course. And China's been closing up, so it's already losing money anyway.
>External interference
People boycotted Bud Light to the point InBev is writing off the brand, good luck with "it was trolls" when it used to be their #1 line and it's their cheapest rice-brewed pisswater
You fricked around, you found out: it's accountability not cancelling, sweety
This is very much mob behavior.
>People voting with their wallets is mob behavior
Holy frick are you deluded AND entitled
This is why equity will never catch on, it's dictated by outcome rather than fairness
Start ranching your cats and praying for a board seat on WiA that you'll never get
Tell us more about getting roofied Dana, did you wake up gaped
>L-lots of cable viewers are leaving!!!
You shit the bed and burned bridges, and I'm guessing you're learning the hard way being blacklisted by one net = all nets
Hirsch, Cotugno, Nefcy, Zuke and the rest of your club had your day but times are getting lean and studios no longer care about representation if it means having to edit/reshoot for Arabs and China
On the bright side your parents paid cash for your art school
Historically Disney has fired people for striking. So your rebuttal is moronic.
>lots of people are cutting cable.
Maybe people would go back to cable if parents felt more safe letting their kids watch cartoons.
Also the show was on Disney+.
>1.
No. Many artists either comply or only fight in the background.
>2.
Gay = lose money. This pride month proved it.
>3.
Shit talking your employer, especially your artistic patron, is moronic.
>4.
Young boys. Mainly just weirdo adults (like horse show), but with no merch.
>5.
No
>The Disney Channel primary demo is kids 6-11.
> Twitter =/= real popularity.
>1. Isn't every artist hard to work with?
No. Just you entitled CalArts nepobabies are. Birds of a feather.
>2. Why was it popular in LatAm?
It had a brown girl.
>3. Lots of people criticize Disney.
Yeah, you frickhead, but they're not showrunners! Maybe it's karma you're all that stupid and burned bridges with the biggest animation company in America.
>4. Which demographic?
Kids, parents who like their children. You know, people who buy Disney products. Also Christians, conservatives, people against the current LGBTQ+ and so on. That's a lot of people.
>5. It was too expensive.
Then cut some fat. They probably splurged it on not even good CalArts animation.
>No. Just you entitled CalArts nepobabies are. Birds of a feather.
Virtually every business involves connections.
>It had a brown girl.
True.
>Yeah, you frickhead, but they're not showrunners! Maybe it's karma you're all that stupid and burned bridges with the biggest animation company in America.
Didn't Matt Braly do the same thing?
>Kids, parents who like their children. You know, people who buy Disney products. Also Christians, conservatives, people against the current LGBTQ+ and so on. That's a lot of people.
How much money do they have?
>Then cut some fat. They probably splurged it on not even good CalArts animation.
You didn't watch the show, did you?
Political manipulation, simple as that.
Again, Matt Braly did the same thing.
Mutt Stinky got loud during the True Colors leak but something happened that made him bend the knee. That's why 3a was such a tonal disaster, he let the higher ups rewrite his show by committee and he had to sit back and take it or else he'll lose his job. And he essentially has anyways, being reduced to making merchandise.
Writing a scripts where a middle schooler is impaled with a sword was obviously a mistake if it resulted in the disasterous third season. Compromising to her being thrown in a cage or something would have been a much lesser evil.
>How much money do they have?
A frick ton. I'd argue most of Disney's income came from them. Disney is sinking because they've been boycotted by them.
If showrunners like you are that stupid, then maybe you all deserve to go down on that sinking ship.
>You didn't watch the show, did you?
I had the misfortune of watching that god awful show, yes. There was nothing in there that was high budget animation. Just weird knockoff faux anime Ken Sugimori art, but without any of the soul. It's all Korean made, anyway.
Why do you assume I'm her, anyway?
Not her, but you're one of "them".
I'm not even in America right now.
Industry homosexuals are like, I'm on vacation. How do you know it's me?
It's the internet.
>Political manipulation, simple as that.
It's not like the brand tried to force its customers to love one of the most obnoxious fauxtrans "influencers" telling them to get on board or drink something else
They drink Modelo now (same owner) and the diversity engineer has been let go (one of like six from various industries all in the same week)
It has to fricking terrify you to realize you can't cancel someone over a cake any more, and if you actually move to Canada they'll probably euthanize you the next time you get a hangnail
Wake the frick up while it's still a choice
>It had a brown girl.
don't make dragon ball anon post the pic again
>Maybe, but isn't it true of every artist?
No.
it's mafia fall guy tactics. pin all the trendy gay representation on one creator, let them take the heat/praise/social media backlash iin disney's place, then never hire them again.
You think they're smart enough to do it?
>Maybe, but isn't it true of every artist?
Frick no. There is a reason why Craig McCracken has gotten four fricking shows but his wife struggles to get a single project off the ground. She also left after like, one season of the horse show because she is incapable of playing ball with businessmen who fund a show. Many, many showrunners are capable of working at a studio with few problems.
>Why did it get popular in Latin America, then?
Was it popular with children between the ages 7 - 12? Because that's the core audience Disney is advertising to. If it was popular with a bunch of 17+ year olds who just watch the show so they can ship the characters, that's not doing much for Disney. All their ad slots and their brand are catered towards children's towards. Some 22-year old non-binary autist isn't going to buy the Kidz Bop microphone that's being shown in a commercial break while TOH airs-- they're not even going to watch the fricking show on streaming or cable. They're going to most likely pirate it.
>Lots of people criticize Disney all the time, why single them out?
Not many employees OF DISNEY make it a personality trait to criticize Disney. Also, Dana and Alex had very, very big followings on Twitter. Every time Dana said anything about Disney doing this or that to The Owl House, it spawned a bunch of news articles being made by pop culture writers and even more YouTube reaction and video essays showing up.
>Which demographic?
Ages 7 - 12. Dana herself admits their core audience was on the older side (pic related).
I think he's stating to have a break down.
>Reply to post like a normal human
>"H-H-H-HE'S STARTING TO HAVE A MENTAL BREAKDOWN
This is why people don't even bother with you Owlgays and just say, "Hi Dana".
You know what you come off as? A maniac.
>A person talking to you gives you maniac vibes
So you were in lockdown even before COVID?
Devoting your time on going after somebody just for being uppity.
wut? Its the thread subject
Its like saying that yu are a creep stalker for devoting your time on white knighting and lying about a chick that doesn't even know you exist.
Makes sense.
Dana is a well known grade A nutcase.
Would you say that about other people in the industry?
Lets double check.
FRANK MILLER
CEREAL LORD
MORRISON
MOORE
GABBY RIVIERA
CAPTAIN SPUMCO
CLARENCE'S BAD TOUCH PICKLE JUICE DRINKER.
DEVASTATED BY LATINO DUCK GIRLS.
BLACK WEEABOO AND SUGAR SNACK
BRUTAL METAL THRASHER
By Cinemaphile standards, she's only nutty. TV standards are tighter so she's very nuts, but I wouldn't put her at grade A. I'd put her at a high B.
Not him, but you are projecting hard. Can you detail what is "maniac" on that post?
>BARELY compared to any average anime lmao
What does that matter? Disney doesn't produce or run anime.
Faust left after S1 because she decided she needed to get pregnant and be a mom then FMLA her way into reduced hours and TVA said "frick you, work that out with Craig who isn't working on anything atm"
Showrunning is brutal and she tried to get an easy out from doing the grueling shit. Her arguments with TVA over content were doable but she was trying to set a dangerous precedent and that's why no one's wanted to touch her since.
>Why did it get popular in Latin America, Spanish dub removed the transgenderism and pronouns shit. Even countries that tolerate homosexuals hate the modern gender shit outside of America.
>Spanish dub removed the transgenderism and pronouns shit.
That's because of the Spanish language.
>Said frilly "girl Legos" went on to become one of their most popular brands and massively increased their female consumer market, and even become popular with the adult consumers, because it has a bunch of interesting and unique color and brick usages
>mfw lego friends outlasted owl house
>>1. Dana is hard to work with.
>Maybe, but isn't it true of every artist?
Hard to work with is on thing. Dana loudly and publicly led the charge against the badly named "don't say gay" bill, and ended up getting Disney stuck headfirst in a big, expensive, and 100 percent avoidable fight with Ron Desantis, and even worse, got a bunch of her fellow creatives to jump into the fight using Disney's name. AND on top of that, went after disney brass.
She even told people NOT to buy disney merch and get their shit on etsy.
LOL. Complete and utter garbage anon. She went after the fricking CEO in public. you're begging for excuses at this point.
It's grassroots when it supports you, and the mob when it doesnt.
>Hard to work with is on thing. Dana loudly and publicly led the charge against the badly named "don't say gay" bill, and ended up getting Disney stuck headfirst in a big, expensive, and 100 percent avoidable fight with Ron Desantis, and even worse, got a bunch of her fellow creatives to jump into the fight using Disney's name. AND on top of that, went after disney brass.
Then why do people say DeSantis is the one who got the short end of the stick?
>Then why do people say DeSantis is the one who got the short end of the stick?
Not that anon, but by "people" do you mean the mainstream media? People who share the same political leaning as you? Laymen on twitter?
Nothing has been decided in court yet, but Reedy Creek is gone. Disney's business is in the toilet. Their suit against DeSantis is a longshot. Their federal suit won't proceed before the state lawsuit, which is in Florida so DeSantis has an advantage. The free speech argument is weak because DeSantis took action against Reedy Creek, not Disney.
I've no dog in this fight, but saying DeSantis is losing this is a stretch. As someone who wants Disney to actually improve, I want them to drop all of this so they can focus 100% of their energy on fixing internal problems. This shit is a distraction.
Even if Desantis loses, Disney will have spent a huge amount of resources for what? Making this butthole happy?
To be fair to Dana, it wasn't just her. It was an entire faction within Disney that did this, and certain people on the board, and Chapek's own gutlessness, and all the shareholders who enabled this by keeping these people in charge. But I don't mind this at all. All of them are suffering directly as a result of this. They are out of jobs, or out of their money. Give them enough rope to hang themselves, and all that.
You’re a moron, DumbSantis is losing in the courts
...which means that disney will have spent a huge amount of money on lawyers, and political capital...just to get back where they started.
That's perfectly fair. Which leads us to a play like
Dana was one of the loudest and most aggressive. Make an example of her. Keep everyone else in line. The show wasn't making money, and if it DID become a hit, there's the risk of a gay kids show for 7 year olds. Disney wants to follow in that trend, not lead.
>You think they're smart enough to do it?
Late Roy Disney era literally did it when the gay people tried for park takeover/protests back in the Reagan administration. They cut the fine line between taking gay dollars and not scaring off the christgay karen moms.
You really think Ron will last when he's exposed as a bigger creep.
Also you seem pretty gutless yourself.
Wut
Not even him, but this seems a weird wishful thinking on your part
>You really think Ron will last when he's exposed as a bigger creep.
I think it doesn't matter. Go ask pol.
>Also you seem pretty gutless yourself.
Come on noobcakes. If you're going to start b***hing, no reason to half ass it. fricking bring it. But if you want to yell at actual nazis, you go do that at pol.
If it's stupid, and it works, it's not so stupid. They avoided a gay boycott. They avoided a Southern baptist church boycott. Both groups continued to buy merch. I'm not as sure if the current leadership can pull it out. What they are VERY aware of is the risk of getting bud lit up, and a lesbian show for 7 year olds could do that, and unexpectedly CANCELING a show for being too lesbian for 7 year olds could do that too. So they run it out, not hire the leader again. Seems like an obvious position.
She's responsible for asking her fanbase to attack the company anon.
I'm sure it was part of the problem, but probably not the only thing.
Yes. Lots of shit. Box office collapse. Parks crashing. Star Wars crashing. Disney needing lots of cash in a few months.
...in rule 34.
>Late Roy Disney era literally did it when the gay people tried for park takeover/protests back in the Reagan administration. They cut the fine line between taking gay dollars and not scaring off the christgay karen moms.
"fast homosexual dancing" lol
>Then why do people say DeSantis is the one who got the short end of the stick?
That's more of a pol question centered around his political ambitions. This fight was completely avoidable. Dana was demanding changes in Disney's distribution of political contributions, loudly and publicly.
Even if DeSantis loses both the election, and the governorship,and becomes an irrelevant talk show guest in the future, that extra friction for the company with both the general public and the political elite is a net loss for them.
>Dana loudly and publicly led the charge
I think you're giving Dana too much credit there. Her, Alex, Matt Braly, and others were merely riding the wave of protests. I don't think they were in the frontlines of that one.
>I think you're giving Dana too much credit there.
>Her, Alex, Matt Braly, and others were merely riding the wave of protests. I don't think they were in the frontlines of that one.
Am I? I'm going to double check.
https://wdwnt.com/2022/03/the-owl-house-creator-disney-animator-and-more-cast-members-express-disappointment-about-bob-chapeks-response-to-dont-say-gay-bill/
A quick search on their names and don't say gay have Dana and Alex being front and center. Alex definitely has more and bigger headlines. But, I think Alex at this time is separated from disney on iffy terms over the ending of Gravity falls.
Matt Braly doesn't show up as a headliner. Keep in mind that dana and alex don't get to write the headlines. What's undisputable is that Dana goes after chapek multiple times while working for the mouse, and is high enough profile to get in the headlines.
BASED AND FRENCH REVOLUTION PILLED. FOR LIBERTY EGALITARIANISIM AND FRATERNITY.
I can HEAR the cattieness from here.
>Like you are aware no one likes you right?
Cinemaphile is love, and I like him. I like you too!
Matt I think is just a different sort of liberal moron. His modus operandi goes the "wypipol bad" route usually, like that interview where he tried to kiss ass to a literal anti-white racist and say Sasha's bug joke was intended to be racism. Not to mention the Amphibia fanbase liking Maggie confuses and angers the Mutt.
Alex is just off his rocker at this point. I think the Justin Roiland thing seriously effected his "pull" within the industry. We haven't heard much from him. He's basically like Butch Hartman a few years ago, retweeting motherfrickers like TRAFON and struggling to stay relevant. Except... even BH had his church buddies to call upon. The manlet has nothing. No Dana. No JUSTin. Just tears and agony.
"Hi, I'm Bobby Renzobby and this is the PortaPissBucket! Can you poop in it? YOU CAN POOP IN IT!"
I low-key think the Justin Roiland thing caused a rift in Alex's clique. No way Rebecca Sugar for instance is still associating with any of them after Alex was pretending to be such a male ally to her anti-harassment protest around the time of the Savino hit job. All the while him and Justin were fricking 15 year olds and false-promising interns just the same.
>him and Justin were fricking 15 year olds and false-promising interns just the same.
huh
what
I remember Benjamin Siemon being especially loud about it early on and he's still employed by DTVA. He's always complaining about something on Twitter.
>"Mrs. you're scaring the little girl who wanted to look at the toys"
Idk what it is about this tweet but it may be the cringiest shit I've ever seen
To be honest. I doubt Dana a real life lesbian beyond attention whoring on Twitter. The only lesbians I know who hate pink and girl marketing are trannies pretending to be lesbians. Even bull dykes like girly marketing.
No wonder people are latching on to the 'Barbie' movie.
I have got to watch it sometime.
>No wonder people are latching on to the 'Barbie' movie.
Hasbro toy sales decline soon as they ditched girl toy marketing. Actual females love that shit. Look at the Japanese company behind hello kitty and Aggretsuko.
It's like there was a reason dolls were marketed towards girls back in the day.
Dumbasses.
At least we're slowly going full circle. Maybe cartoons will be good again but I doubt it.
>The only lesbians I know who hate pink and girl marketing are trannies pretending to be lesbians. Even bull dykes like girly marketing.
Ngl, even though it's not my favorite even as a kid and preferred cute animals like Sanrio or Care Bears, I didn't mind the girly marketing. It's the mocking from others that made me feel like I had to turn away from it until I realized that I shouldn't give a shit about that.
Reminder Hirsch isn't well liked with all the current Disney TVA crews.... and they are glad his clique is finally over at the studio with Disney focusing more on episodic comedies.
>https://twitter.com/_Wolfsteak_/status/1537597885147058176
All these people work one shows that are so generic or cancelled.
That's the funniest part.
No wonder she broke up with him.
>You are blocked from
>that half-life ripoff cartoon that never went anywhere
Tell me Dr. Goobermeister if you can... You have complained so much, what is it exactly you have created? Can you show me even one cartoon? I thought not.
I can't browse twitter for free anymore, post the screenshot
And that's why Amphibia got a book and is getting another. It's not because Amphibia was more popular, it was because Matt isn't a diva who constantly bit the hand that fed him. Same with Alex Hirshe. Gravity Falls is one of the most popular Disney series ever, Disney would love to make more shit with it, to bad it's creator is a hard to work with twat.
How much corporate wiener are you sucking?
Dana and etc don't fight against corporate anyway, they just want corporates to talk what they want them to talk and defend what they want them to defend.
gee i wonder if that book will mention sashas raging bisexuality
When Sam Witch unveils it's key art, we need a drawgay request of the mc of Witchverse and Sam mocking Luz and Amity
>more tween witches
Oh, for frick's sake come up with a new concept.
They can't. They're too busy proving right all the Christian moms from the 2000's.
I feel a song coming on...
https://soundcloud.com/bluemirechoir/christian-moms-in-the-90s-warned-us-about-this?utm_source=clipboard&utm_medium=text&utm_campaign=social_sharing
Executives are stupid.
>Sam Witch
So you can sell a show to disney purely on a stupid name? Sandwich? Fricking really?
Dana was a fool. Very costly
Somebody named after a sandwich could never be a hero
Shut up guy
No. She & new witch shows need to be exposed
Shut up guy2
>H-hi, I'm Dana Terrace and this is my Udemy course in T-toon BooBAAWWWWWWW WHYYYYY FRICKING BIGOTS
What happened to the cartoon about cats being influencers that Disney said would be their Regular Show? Is that still happening?
Yep is being made by one of the Nimona writters and Madagascar Director/Writter
It seems to be Disney's awnser to Inside Job but without the swears and edgy gore
>https://whatsondisneyplus.com/new-animated-comedy-sitcom-intercats-in-development/
>Dana says
that in order to "Save American Democracy!" you need to donate to an abortion clinic
So naturally Disney did the right thing getting rid of her.
also
>in that same post
>told viewers to watch Amphibia season 3a and nothing else
>everyone watched Molly instead
>told viewers to watch Amphibia season 3a and nothing else
Kinda wild she only promoted Amphibia while Braly is pals with the Molly McGee,H&G,Moon Girl, Kiff and Hailey's On It! crews
Considering her former crew at The Owl House now works on Hailey,P&F,MGADD,Katz Cafe,North Woods and Monsters At Work.
Surprising she even acknowledges Big City Greens
tbh i always saw very unprofessional of Dana not telling her fanbase to stop harassing other DTVA shows and crew members
>Creator is responsible for fanbase
Frick out of here homosexual
Honestly, I think this thread should be nuked.
This. Creator threads on Cinemaphile are fricking cancer.
Huh? The Witchverse is supposed to be an anthology series; that's literally as far from serialized as you can get.
That's right. It's apples to oranges.
12 years ago this week the crew of a CN show gave a panel at AX where they were clear about the 3 rules of surviving in north American animation and the first one was "do not be a giant fricking crybaby on social media picking fights with fans and studios, this industry is tiny and you will be blackballed overnight"
This is not a secret and yet a vocal minority decided to test their luck then cry when it backfired, like no one warned them.
ALL OF YOU ARE REPLACEABLE, THIS IS LITERALLY WHY WALT BUILT CALARTS
TAKE THE FRICKING HINT AND MAKE THE SLOP, OR START YOUR OWN STUDIOS LIKE WALT HIMSELF DID
Well, Matt did say art school was overrated.
Who are you talking to, you fricking schizo?
>Disney orders two cartoons starring witches, one serialized as frick for Disney+ and one comedy driven for Disney Channel
Disney change their mind
Disney being hypocritical again
Disney not actually ordering a serialized series. The OP is just wrong - The Witchverse isn't serialized; it's an anthology.
>Disney orders seventeen series about witches
>None of them is Lauren Faust’s
How cruel
Now that's the real tragedy.
Great moment at a Women in Animation panel: Rebecca Sugar gushing over fellow panelist Lauren Faust "you were my inspiration, why aren't you working on a new project?"
Faust: "because you took my job"
Good. Uniflop should serve as a warning to not just blindly throw your weight behind the names of oldhat creators.
I know you're shitposting and I don't even like the show much but Unicorn was a success for Adult Swim.
I mean they have no problem with The Witchverse and Sam Witch running alongside each other, who's to say they can't have a trilogy of witches cartoons.
Kinda wild Lauren Faust hasn't thought saving "Toil & Trouble with Disney with their whole "Female mc gets greenlight" mindset that they have.
Dyke shit is old and busted, hence why Luz quit to get fricked by Superman.
Does this mean Jimmy is that limp wristed gay from Nu-ra?
I for one am glad Bow found a new job after that dumb Twitter slavery drama
Cannon Event
I am entirely burned out on magical, quirky, destined one female leads. Please fricking do something else.
BUT ANON
BROWNSBIANS ARE THE FUTURE
It was because she lied.
>execs: "So please explain this show to us."
>"well it's... episodic..."
>execs: "Sounds good. picked up"
>makes it serialized later
>execs: "Why did you say it was episodic?"
Every show has to start somewhat episodic.
Didn't she say it was always going to be serialized?
No. She said it was going to be episodic in order to hide the fact it was another "epic lore" show, which Disney wasn't interested in at that time. She lied.
Proof?
Disney is looking for an excuse to tell Dana that The Owl House is shit and they want her out of their company. Since TOH ends up flopping spectacularly, Disney can finally just straight-up fire Dana without getting sued since she already cost the company millions in losses.
You have any direct proof? Or is this just some bizarre vendetta?
TOH gets blocked/banned outside US/Canada, do you know how much this alone cost Disney?
Probably not much considering their not making merch for the show.
Like you are aware no one likes you right?
The cost of production to make TOH and keep the show running outweighs the ROI. Not only that, but TOH has also flopped in ratings, and none of the intended demographic even watches The Owl House.
If this wasn't enough to make TOH look worse in Disney's eyes, Dana was being a petty b***h and encouraging her fans to watch the show illegally. If you add all these variables up, I am sure it would amount to millions of dollars in losses for Disney. Canceling the show halfway and then giving Dana three specials to end her show and then forgetting the show ever existed is the best course of action.
Amazing, you having a mental breakdown.
Also if this show is a flop how badly are all the new shows that get lower ratings doing?
>Amazing, you having a mental breakdown.
>Like you are aware no one likes you right?
>Or is this just some bizarre vendetta?
>This is very much mob behavior.
You really are unaware of irony aren't you?
It's not exclusive. Plus a lot of Disney Channel's international operations were shuttered.
The show got average ratings on TV.
A show with a lower budget has a higher rating than TOH in Disney+.
>how badly are all the new shows that get lower ratings
Good enough to beat the Owl house
He says this whole posting no real evidence then a graph.
I mean, if you add all the countries where Owl House doesn't air or has to be edited, doesn't it make it obvious that more people watch those shows?
I don't know if it got blocked or edited in China like what happened to SU's Ruby and Saphire's wedding. And china is a huge market.
Either Disney didn't 100% own it and cancelled it because they didn't see any point in more investing or they didn't like where the story was heading so decided to make their own. OR there was too little marketability.
when?
My opinion will change according to always be against disney
You are based, but need to work on your English.
The corps will never love you, and will steal your shit if given the chance. Go Simon Hanselman, and see if the people will buy your shit.
Same reason why the US can be so christgay, and have so few christgay cartoons.
The change in "toy commercial" rules. And Boys are still buying shit. It's just all Cinemaphile now. See GI Joe/transformers/He Man to Pokemon, Dragonball.
>Someone like Dana can get a show greenlit and waste millions of dollars on Disney's expense for her self-insertion lesbian story.
>Someone like me who just wants an adventure-cartoon produced can't get anywhere near Disney to greenlit my idea.
Feels bad.
Wanna share a synopsis Anon?
The story takes place in an industrial-fantasy world (Around the 1800s) where not!Imperial Russia has conquered the continent and surrounding nations (Not!Turkey and Not!China) using their new industries.
The Main Characters all come from the same Tribes: Native groups that live in the Centerlands of the Empire (Not!Central Asia / Urals) that worship nature spirits as their protectors / gods and who live off the land. Since the Empire came, the Tribes have been exterminated or assimilated by the Empire resulting in only 8 of the largest remaining.
The industrialization led by the Empire has poisoned the land, especially after they hunt down / slay Spirits in the name of the Orthodox Religion which upsets the balance of nature. The drinking water of the MC's Tribe has become tainted resulting in his people becoming extremely sick. The MC and his friends are tasked by the Tribe Elders to head west to the capital of the Empire to search for a cure / surrender the Tribe to the Emperor in a meeting in-exchange for a cure.
At the same time, the Empire's second-prince is on a mission to prove himself to the Empire by exterminating Spirits and waging war against rebels. However, he comes to question what the Empire is doing as they settle into new fertile lands by getting rid of the previous inhabitants and the original homeland he is from dies faster from the spreading taint / industrialization.
The journey of the two main characters will lead to them crossing paths and antagonizing one another as they fight against the concepts of imperialism, environmentalism, traditions being broken by industrialization, old industrial exploitation, and a brewing war for the Empire.
Don't compromise your vision and go independent.
This is too high concept for the corpos. And too goddam expensive.
And I'm imagining a NOT pefidious albion trader showing up trying to wheel and deal. A NOT Pushkin, making great patriotic stories for the Empire.
Roll with that bad boy anon. Figure out what you CAN produce in your budget and make that shit. Storyboards that work enough as webcomics.
you don't happen to be the anon who faps to floor tiles now?
Candy Crush.
Eh, you CAN, if your shit is a monster show. This isn't a monster show.
>you don't happen to be the anon who faps to floor tiles now?
No.
>Avatar the last Airbender, but forgetting to base your historical alt fiction in actual history
Sorry anon, That's how you get dragon prince
Russia never industrialized the east beyond a few port cities and building the trans Siberian railroad to get to them. Most of their industry and development during the 19th century was up in the damn arctic circle because of summer ocean access. Their major conflicts in the asian sphere were the Russo Japanese wars, not any real conflict with the Chinese outside of being one of the 9 nation alliance to put down the boxer rebellion and etc.
China, European powers, the fall of the qing dynasty, then warring states period is a political period to ape in some form of media, same way avatar is second sino japanese war/WWII for babies. Making something up whole cloth about steampunk Russia btfo'ing the hekkin mongolians isn't using it's component parts. Bog standard high fantasy wouldn't have the baggage you're packing on yourself by making up shit while trying to make a historic parallel narrative.
Also
>Modernity... Le bad and/or RETVRN
Simpsons did it. I'd think on what you're trying to say through the events of the story. Cost of progress is a dead horse beaten so hard it's corpse is a red paste. History is a springboard for rise of totalitarianism and all sorts of other human condition narratives. I'd aim for one less well tread that resonates with you.
Not that Anon but this is Mr Enter tier of autistic nitpicking.
Guy made a real pitch and that's my real critique. If he's gotten it front of people who could push it forward it's going to face those problems. The art is good, mentality too, but it's too similar to recent successes and even more recent failures. They'll peg it as "AtLA but..." And then contemplate on how hard Nick was burned by both LoK but mainly Dragon prince not being the promised cultural phenomena
>He made a real pitch.
He only gave another person his synposis. He didn't ask for your critique about history or your opinion.
If he's ever in the position to show his design bible the people reading that design bible are going to see Avatar with all the problems revealed by those same guys making dragon prince. He'll need an answer for them. Better to hammer that out on Cinemaphile than to get caught flatfooted and wonder why networks only greenlight shit like owl house.
He didn't ask for your opinion and you admitted he didn't, so stop coping.
>Thread about the fragility of industry creators coping about cancellation
>this is why They'll never look at my show pitch
>Explains pitch
>Basic problems apparent
>It's like just a cartoon bro why are "you" seething
If you have a new thing to say about the cost of progress that hasn't been seen in a cartoon or comic everyone will say you took it from, you're in a better place than most. If you don't, you need one. There is already one vaguely ethnic clearly avatar inspired high concept show that may devolve into being about a brown lesbian girl currently sitting in devhell but greenlit.
Track down the Viacom leaks and read the pitch bibles for AtLA and all the other shows similar to yours. Compare them to what was actually made, what worked about both, and what you intend to show.
>basic problems
All you did was autistically explain history that has no relation to the cartoon he pitched since its a fictional world not based on reality. And again, you are just coping and excusing your actions when the guy posting it didn't ask for your input. Get the frick out of here.
You directly framed it through a historical period and historic cultures while wanting to tell a RETVRN plot without any of the tradition being aped. Pretty ironic actually. Dieselpunk fantasy where noble pastoralists resist the raping of the land is a premise that may have legs, but not saddled with the historic references >you put forth. As you develop the premise you're going to ultimately abandon those framings in favor of your own creativity or continually slam your head against them.
Jumping to the characters and loreshow parts is a fanfiction.net pitfall when the setting and main thematic elements are still Shakey.
>You
I'm not that anon you stupid dipshit.
>a historical period and historic cultures
You do know that tons of storytellers use historic periods and cultures for their settings right?
Correctly
I diagnose you with Enter Autism.
Bruh, it's just a fictional story. It doesn't need real history or anything like that. Why are you going on a schizo rant?
>modernity le bad
One of the main points isn't that modernity is bad. It's learning not to do everything in excess, learning co-existence/not to take things for granted, and preserving/remembering old ways in a changing world for identity.
The Main Character I envisioned (Aside from the Second Prince) is actually an Imperial fanboy who always wanted to leave his Tribe to fiddle with technology from the Empire in their giant industrial cities and make his own gadgets. He wants to industrialize his tribe. In fact his fancy for Imperial history/culture is what gets him selected for the task by the Tribe Elders.
You'd have more freedom to be creative world building an imperial culture without the real world baggage then. The real world parallels are just a constraint if you are only drawing on them for aesthetics. In the period you're referencing turkey wasn't even a thing, it was still the ottoman empire and would be until 1918-22 and you're ignoring the whole attaturk thing which is a literal refutation of your narrative: a man modernizing his backwards country in a generation and uplifting it from the problems of decline, tradition, and despotism.
Ask yourself What is the new thing you're saying about the cost progress, because that is what could sell your show and make it "kino".
We pitching cartoons now?
Wanna know mine?
I WANT A CARTOON, OR POSSIBLY ANIME ABOUT THE RUSSO JAPANESE WAR.
Alright. Good for you.
I'm not sure what your'e talking about.
>I WANT A CARTOON, OR POSSIBLY ANIME ABOUT THE RUSSO JAPANESE WAR.
And I want to frick Asirpa
Sounds nice, would watch.
why are there zero action showed aimed at boys?
They're called "video games."
that makes zero sense
some of the most successful cartoon of all time were aimed at boys. there used to be hundreds of them.
seems more like modern animation is just full of men hating lefty freaks and shows with cool and heroic male leads don't get any funding for woke reasons that bleeds money.
games arent even allowed to be aimed at boys anymore either. if something is mostly enjoyed by boys lefties call it sexist and demaned it to be changed but if only girls get positively presented in something everyone celebrates it
that is real sexism
Games are for everyone though.
They pivoted to marketing shows to girls because it's where the money is nowadays.
Honestly the level of conspiracy theory on Cinemaphile about corporate overlords deliberately flushing money down the toilet because pinko pansies are holding a gun to their children's head or something needs to be toned down.
But why is the money there? Why did, suddenly, and for no reason, did boys and men stop being profitable?
> They pivoted to marketing shows to girls because it's where the money is nowadays.
raitings and toy sales dont reflect what you say. female action shows always flop
>games arent even allowed to be aimed at boys anymore either.
You can't "aim" video games at anything but boys, no matter the surface level changes, because of the nature of the medium.
yes you can by having a cool male lead you aim it at boys
but ever game these days focuses on women or the old male lead is now less competent and needs constant help from female characters
like ratched, crash or ps4 spider-man
No, I mean the action, physical feedback, scorekeeping, victory-chasing, nature of video games makes them inherently for boys.
You've never watched girls doing competitive sports. I've seen one break another's jaw.
Because boys dont watch cartoons. They just jack to the porn of shows with high girl density.
That's going to mess them up when they're older.
Trust me, i should know.
Gen Z and A are going to be utter horror shows as they get older. You thought Millennials were bad? Just wait until you see Zoomers and Alphas.
>Because boys dont watch cartoons
because they are zero shows for them
only girl power shows were boys are written as weak or stupid to make girls look good
meanwhile there are zero shows with heroic and strong men and weakling/idiot girls
Well why does one have to be weak and/or dumb? Why not both being heroes?
Good question.
why is it ok for shows with female leads to be all about female empowerment with male characters only there to be rescued or humiliated for comedy but shows with male leads also only humiliate male characters for comedy and always feature the male leads needing, help or getting rescued by a female side character who is better then the male lead at everything?
why is it forbidden to have a modern show with a cool make hero who rescues women and defeats the bad guy?
It gets old.
Well this doesn't answer my question now does it.
Honestly sounds like you just want a female embarrassment cartoon as some sort of revenge fantasy.
Yeah honestly, that's the type of shit youd read from some sort of comicsgate comic.
maybe you’re the weak and pathetic one homosexual
You're God damn right about that. Bring on the beach episodes.
trips of truth
we need more beach episodes again
2 different things:
1) Dana promised them a syndicated show that they could stick on DisneyXD and by the time they realized she lied to them, it was too late.
2) Dana didn't play ball and do thing's Disney's way. They don't like it when you try to play by your own rules.
Again, no proof. What she said was that it would be something along the lines of 'Gravity Falls', and there would be gays. On the latter part she was transparent about it, and they let her do that.
Did you really say that, Dana
Why are you so full of spite?
>It's spiteful to call someone out
>Political interference caused the 2016 election AND the death of an entire brand of cheap beer
this isn't spite sweety, it's schadenfreude
They are acknowledging their mistake in a politically correct way
Stop dancing around it. Just say you cancelled Owl House because it was too progressive and encouraged gay rights.
We have been in a state of perpetual war since 2014, there is no reason to lie to us anymore.
Mods, can you delete this? This is turning into a pathetic b***h fest.
It's turning into the future where meekly storyboarding someone else's show for 2 or 3 seasons is no longer enough to get your own any more, where idiots who think this is their moment in the sun to frick with the purse holders and IMPROVE SOCIETY are getting kicked to the curb
Dana is just a entitled c**t hard to work with
It's always the same thing over and over again.
>. I'd feel sorry for owlgays, if they weren't such arrogant, insufferable homosexuals themselves
the sheer irony of this post. owlbros are LITERALLY THE israeliteS OF Cinemaphile and i stand by this. and i dont mean in the "steal your money" sort of way i mean "get mass deported and executed by troony jannies and mods" . how much more will we take this sheer disrespect from mediocre shows
Really, can someone remove this thread, please? It's getting tiring.
Yo, noobcakes. That's not how we do things here. GTFO of the thread. It's better for you that way.
Owlgays be huffing that copium big time
being an owlbro on Cinemaphile is literally suffering
they had gold, mistake it for shit, throwed to the trash and after a few months realize what they had done.
North Woods got revived by the new Disney Channel CEO, how are the chances of Johnen Vasquez Very Important House getting revived for to have an actual sucessful "House" IP than TOH?.
Show fits what Disney Channel wants
>episodic with random humor
>mc has a wacky sidekick
>mc is dark skinned for rep points
someone kill the mouse now
Hasn't there been a few pretty big changes between when that happened and this new stuff (ie. a CEO being ousted and an old one reinstated and a lot of industry upheaval and market chaos?)
From what I've heard from an ex DTVA boarder, she was just plain hard to work with. Her show was doing fine, they would've allowed her to get her full 3 seasons if she wasn't a pain in the ass to her team. The ex boarder mentioned how much of a hassle it would be for a show to get canned, even if a top executive supposedly "hates it/thinks it didn't fit the brand", that's only an excuse. It takes multiple people and paperwork to take down a show, that shouldn't have been the only reason. They also mentioned how she would just randomly take off because of whatever the hell was going on in her life and forced her team on unemployment benefits during covid.
And that boarder exists in your head, just like your wife.
>expecting a monopoly to make good decisions
or
>expecting a jilted ex-employee to tell the truth
one of these
>four fricking cartoons about witchcraft in four years, at least one with an explicit anti-christian message
But remember, if you think d*sney is pushing satanism on kids you're a rent free chudcel who needs to take meds!
Yay more garbage
I thought Cinemaphile was a diehard defense force for people like alex and justin.
What happened?
We've never been diehard defense for Alex
dana terrace is a straight up babe. i mean is it even legal for one human being to posses that much raw sexuality? she is seriously smoking hot, like she should be on magazine covers bent over the hood of a sportscar in a skimpy, exotic-looking swimsuit. why do other girls even bother when dana exists?
What do you think Sam Witch is?
A story about a teenage girl named Samantha living in California who finds out she is a descendant of a line of witches from another world. She is torn between her existing life and the world of magic. Has two friends, one female, one male.
a chef?
Best bet is Suburbion's new name, og leaked synopsis is about two "ordinary" siblings living on alien suburbs
Probably is about a transylvanian family of vampires being abducted by Aliens and living on suburbs while Sam wants to be a witch.
Witch - Nic Smal and Lucy Heavens
>>A coming of age comedy about two extra ordinary siblings living in alien suburbs where no-one is normal.
I bet this series is set on the mainland of the Demon Realm as theirs no way theirs only just the Boiling Isles and the Titan Trapper island along with that place King was from make up the lands of the Demon Realm.
The Owl House was bad becasue it underperformed
Proof?