Recently watched the William Winckler compilation films and I have to say this series is pretty great for what was largely a contractual obligation between Leiji Matsumoto and Toei Animation.
It’s got the emotional elements of Space Battleship Yamato but handled with a more intimate and melodramatic tack, while also being a fun villain of the week series.
The producers of said compilations clearly skipped past a few things (especially the early parts of the training arc and many of the space episodes) but the material that made the cut still makes for a solid experience.
Yamato, Harlock and (to a lesser extent) Mazinger Z raised my interest in 70s /m/ anime from ”kinda whatever but some of them ought to be worth a shot” to ”yeah this stuff can actually be pretty great”, and it’s good to have another one featuring giant robots that lives up to that standard.
I’d definitely have an easier time recommending it over Zambot 3, which had it’s share of good episodes and arcs but is overall more of a curiosity watch/watershed moment than a true classic in my opinion.
(First Gundam is also good but everyone already knows that)
Will definitely check out the full show at some point, supposedly the ARR subs aren’t too knackered compared to their other output. [1/2]
 CRIME Shirt $21.68 |
 |
CRIME Shirt $21.68 |
[2/2]
It might also be fun to compare Winckler dub together with the old Force Five version if I can find a copy, as it supposedly focuses more on the one-off stories than the overarching stuff and also had a movie edit, this time consisting of just one volume as opposed to three.
Hell, I might even package them together, synced to better footage, to create a ”definitive” dubbed release.
I find these sorts of old pre-Akira dubs kinda fascinating from the perspective of seeing how well the things that made these shows special managed to survive the B-tier voice actors and whims of the localizers. Even the old ZIV Harlock dub, wherein the second half is practically a shitpost, manages to carry across the appeal of the source material.
These late 2000s Winckler dubs have alot more in common with these early efforts than they do more recent ones, as the DVDs don’t come with the japanese audio.
They also cheesed up the dialogue in places, to the point of injecting a couple cheeky Transformers references:
Anyway, what kind of show(s) would Matsumoto have produced if he he'd at any point returned to giant robot anime, especially after Macross and Gundam proved you can do real space opera within that sphere? To what extent would he have changed the course of the mecha genre?
I imagine his disinterest comes more from the toyetic aspects and restrictive sponsors (certainly in the early days of the genre) rather than any hangups around believability, as he doesn’t mind WWII battleships and steam trains in space.
He’s a fairlytaler, not a rocket scientist.
>supposedly the ARR subs aren’t too knackered
Press X to doubt.
Yeah I'm still pretty skeptical, the only one on here to answer my questions with anything more than "watch it yourself, see if it falls apart" was an anon claiming to be the one who supervised/corrected it.
>Plus the /m/ wikia
You are so obvious, you can't help yourself, it's sad really.
You could always beg Discotek if you're allergic to ARR's release.
he has such luscious lips
Tech specs and related story notes do not make for a very good series guide, though it does fill the role well enough for the time being.
Your site doesn't get shit on for being incomplete, but because the primary vision (compiling random info that Wikipedia, for better or worse, writes off as irrelevant) only appeals to "loregays" and gearheads, along with the leadership and contributors focusing too much on quantity above quality while not holding up any real benchmarks for what a page ought to look like.
Most people won't get much out of it besides some backstory that might otherwise be relegated to guidebooks (i.e the FMP articles), so you won't get many potential contributors.
For all the shit TFWiki gets due to its sense of humor they at least have good writeups on the fiction (storylines, characters, production info, etc), though it's clearly easier to write a website about a world famous franchise rather than an entire subgenre.
I'd say it's absolutely possible to have both kinds of articles on the same site but you do you, I guess.
Also have a jolly old fansite, to show you how the pros did it way back when:
https://web.archive.org/web/20140323091852/http://home.comcast.net/~dread2200/default.htm
>gearheads
I don't know what this term means.
It's pretty self explanatory. You'd have to purposely be a moron to not be able to figure it out.
>that fansite
I miss the old internet.
As someone who likes to spot references to earlier anime, here is a scene from episode 41, about a year before Char sent Garma on his death ride, Tony Hakken did similar to his rival, Lugar. Jamming his controls on a collision course with the heroes' ship.
I seriously doubt Tomino watched this.
Garma’s Fate was written by Yuu Yamamoto (the J9) guy.
And here is the conclusion of Lugar's death ride.
Disappointing and frustrating that this will never make it into SRW for many reasons
>for many reasons
Like what?
The creator hates it and it’s saulty at Bandai Namco for including Yamato 2199 which is the reboot of the franchise he tried to hijack and failed thus losing all its rights.
Arcadia SSX got in the T after that, though.
Consolation prize. Plus it has no robots in it. Danguard Ace was something he was pressured into doing but he despises the Robot genre.
I wouldn't say Leiji outright hates mecha, the parts I've seen are actually pretty good for an "obligation".
Then again he had the Mazinger and Gaiking people on his side while also primarily being credited as the "original creator", which means his role most likely boiled down to the outline/series bible.
I also hear the robot barely shows up in the manga.
>I also hear the robot barely shows up in the manga.
It's only in the very last page, almost like it need to justify the title or something,
> the parts I've seen are actually pretty good for an "obligation".
That’s because despite the “creator” status, he didn’t do shit other than giving them some rough sketches. You should be praising the show’s staff, not Leiji. Same way Go Nagai didn’t have much to do with the Mazinger Z anime.
>angry troll posting
He's right though.
Half right, let's be honest he just wants to rag on the admin at the end of the day.
And one single person does not an consensus make.
That alone shows that you learned nothing, even when someone had an "logical proposition (...) and acted like an adult while doing so. I saw his reasoning and allowed for a reversion based on stature." Well, where is that stature now when this anon
gives some fair criticism? No wonder people preferred the other /m/useum thread that had the warning to not use ARR subs.
>And one single person does not an consensus make.
One of those was mine... Why did mine and the others get deleted?
Does this have good subs yet or are we still stuck with ARR garbage?
ARR subs are good subs.
This thread is supposed to be about Danguard Ace, right?
Everytime ARR is mentioned, shit happens. Please heed the warning from the /m/useum, don't use that shit, ever.
I finished their Danguard subs recently and wasn't bothered. The heed is an overreaction.
there's basically three ARR types
just flat-out trollsubs
crabsticks ripped straight from the hk bootlegs
heavily massaged crabsticks by somebody with some skills in some language
you take them for what they are, sometimes there's no other rips of crab, sometimes there's decent subs
https://desuarchive.org/m/thread/21225238/
looks like there was a lot of dumb gay shit
jannies are usually on alert in a thread once dumb gay shit like >I'm not either of those, I'm an asexual.
is in the conversation
I actually tried saging this failed thread of mine to start again but it's still getting bumps.
I'd probably have better luck talking about Danguard in a general 70s thread, as its english translation situation and this board's disdain towards compilation films definitely undermines any kind of popularity it might've garnered.
My rambling OP probably sealed this one's fate just as much as the wikiagay derailing this thread into talking about his naff database.
Pretty sure anti-ARR guy was the one doing the derailment. Wikiagay tried to stay on topic.
"Great deficit of reference towards official sources and restriction of data insertion that seems to be based on personal whim rather than limitation of info scope."
"More to the point, many of the Research Links..." (an pastebin on /srwg/ that contained said wiki) "...have a complete lack of Technical Standard, which is:
Voluntary consensus standards, which are standards developed or adopted by voluntary consensus standards bodies, domestic (national), regional and international.
One glaring issue towards a couple of the 'research' sites linked is that it has a sole contributor that doubles as it's creator and rulemaker."
The /m/ Wikia is not useful, rather is detrimental to research so long as the creator/rulemaker doesn't learn, and as this thread has shown, it's doubtful said creator even wants to take feedback for improvement, therefore is commended to do it's editing alone.
AND ONE SINGLE PERSON DOES NOT AN CONSENSUS MAKE
>said creator even wants to take feedback for improvement, therefore is commended to do it's editing alone.
I have seen feedback and I'll address some major points.
>no pics
This is fair.
>lack of consistency throughout articles
I try to keep introductory statements as consistent as possible, otherwise I can understand why this has been a turn off.
>One glaring issue towards a couple of the 'research' sites linked is that it has a sole contributor that doubles as it's creator and rulemaker."
I'm not the founder, I didn't make it, I take care of it. That being said if anyone has suggestions on rules and new standards and the like they are more than welcome to come. A fandom account is required, otherwise I'm open to discussions.
>loregayging/gearhead only minutia
Yes. That's the point of the wikia? To give that minutia a place where it won't get lost and others can add to it? If anyone wants to add more to it I'm perfectly okay with it. I'm not going to ban people on a whim if that's what everyone is worried about. I welcome volunteers.