>Fewer than half of the series’ 18 episodes had been shot, but it was enough for Marvel executives, including chief Kevin Feige, to review the footage and come away with a clear-eyed assessment: The show wasn’t working. Sources say that Corman and Ord crafted a legal procedural that did not resemble the Netflix version, known for its action and violence. Cox didn’t even show up in costume until the fourth episode. Marvel, after greenlighting the concept, found itself needing to rethink the original intention of the show. Marvel plans to keep some scenes and episodes, though other serialized elements will be injected, with Corman and Ord becoming executive producers on the two-season series.
So basically, they shot about half a season of a Daredevil show and Marvel has to scrap most of it because there was no Daredevil in it.
On the one hand, legal dramas are lowkey kino.
On the other hand, marvelplebs can't into kino. And marvel can't create kino (especially not in an 18 episode tv show).
So this was almost certainly for the best.
Why does the japanese know how to make shit for the shounen demo but the west just keeps struggling. 13 year old boys and nerdy manchildren don't want law & order from their action oriented narratives.
Why does the japanese know how to make shit for the shounen demo but the west just keeps struggling. 13 year old boys and nerdy manchildren don't want law & order from their action oriented narratives.
Disney believes the boys and men will tune in to Daredevil. How will they attract women? Romantic subplots, courtroom drama, superficial takes on modern events. Meanwhile boys and adult collectors are abandoning most of their shit.
>How will they attract women?
This is another thing that bothers me. Why is this question even being asked in the first place? No one in Japan ask the question how is something like DBZ going to attract women when it's about violent battles between men or won't women be turned off from isekai if we keep having plots involving our male MC getting a sexy hot slave gf. Instead japan has genres aimed at the female demo instead of subverting shit that appeals to their nerdy male audiences.
It's mind boggling to me that all the major fantasy shows right now in the west are female lead & female centric(house of dragon, ring of power, wheel of time, and the witcher)when the genre has historically in male archetypes(heroism, adventuring parties, monster hunting, magic, and etc).
>major fantasy shows right now in the west are female lead & female centric(house of dragon, ring of power, wheel of time, and the witcher)when the genre has historically in male archetypes(heroism, adventuring parties, monster hunting, magic, and etc).
We can blame the showrunners and the suits for pandering to the danger haired women of twitter but at the same time blame has to be placed on all the mindless consoomer soiboys who watch this garbage without an iota of self respect.
>known for its action and violence
is this a joke?
netflix show had very little action
it was just people talking, especially that moronic redhead
glad they realized action is what people want, but netflix was not that. never was.
Nah. He is right. Daredevil is basically shitty Batman without Batman's rogues gallery. And we are talking about streaming budget, so they probably aren't going to make anything cool with his special senses or building swinging. Just stealthy ninja with a stick.
Matt Murdock deserved the show more than Daredevil.
There’s nothing that wrong with a legal focus on Daredevil, especially if it’s the first season.
The problem here is they recast the same guy from the show that already was successful and blended drama and action well. Now you reboot that, remove half the cast that made it work, remove the action, and want people to enjoy your off brand reset button?
it was never going to be anything
you only need to look at how Kingpin and Daredevil are already fricking lame as frick now since they've come back
And there's no Bullseye
there's no point
Sounds like they made the right call. This shit is seen millennial morons surf Dracula tier moron shit. Seems like Iger's had enough and is cleaning shit up finally.
Current Marvel comics have taken a slightly less woke route, probably due to the fact that the heads realized that shit doesn't sell. So maybe the movie/tv division will start applying a similar strategy, but it's probably just wishful thinking.
>Drive threads >the height of baneposting >True Detective s2 watch threads >suicide squad threads after it won an oscar >the Last Jedi seethe threads >Joker threads after it won at venice
All those moments gone and we can never go back
Remember when the She Hulk writers said they wanted to do a legal drama but realized halfway through writing that none of them knew how to write courtroom scenes?
>OBJECTION YOUR HONOR! >On what grounds? >Misogyny has no place in the courtroom and we motion for a mistrial >I disagree with you and your new fangled legal strategies. You're on thin ice council. However I'm bound by the law. Objection upheld. Mistrial. >*the spectators in the gallery cheer and celebrate while the prosecutors scowl at her*
Word on the street is that the whole corrupt cops storyline is too polarizing even for Disney. Feige expected something more subdued but it became a major part of the season. He foresaw a major backlash. The creative shuffle is a way for the ACAB stuff to be toned way down.
>She-Hulk was such a trainwreck that it made Marvel completely rethink their whole production process so it doesn't happen again
We won She Hulk sisters!
They pretty much did everything with Daredevil that he ever needed to be. He's not one of those characters that has an infinite number of stories like Spider-Man or something
Is season 3 really that good? I've been reluctant to pick it up after season 2 being a bit of a disappointment.
Is it true I need to watch the defenders to understand it?
Depends. If you like Marvel it's good because they are listening. If you don't like Marvel it's bad because now the product will be liked by people and you'll get Marvel content for many more years to come.
I always found it weird how Cinemaphile hates Marvel yet cheers when they change things after a backlash. You should hope they don't change anything.
>I always found it weird how Cinemaphile hates Marvel yet cheers when they change things after a backlash.
Cinemaphile hates Hollywood writers, so they like it when any gets fired/reigned in.
They hate Marvel because it is distilled hollywood.
>I always found it weird how Cinemaphile hates Marvel yet cheers when they change things after a backlash. You should hope they don't change anything.
Then maybe you should slink on back to r/MCU where I'm sure there's a lot more cope-posting about how it was originally going to be amazing but now it's going to be even more amazing-er
Feige wasn't in charge moron. Victoria Alonzo took his place after Endgame so they could push wokeshit on a successfully proven brand. No surprise the last three movies got major backlash while the shows could barely finish production and she got fired. Not layed off, not allowed to resign, but actually properly fired.
it kind of started that way then turned into the plot where kingpin runs for mayor and that one where a guy pretends to be daredevil and bullseye all mixed together
The got rid of Karen and my israelitefu. Which sucks because the Fisk/Vanessa romance is the best part of the show.
Also, >make the best capeshit tv series ever >then fire the writers
What were they thinking?
Friendly reminder that Disney got rid off every white supporting character(Karen, Foggy) and replaced them with black and brown woman. The only white characters are Matt and Fisk. I guess Matt having 2 close white friends was problematic."New details have been revealed for Marvel Studios’ upcoming Disney+ series, Daredevil: Born Again, that reveal the show will include a female Urich, a race replaced Kirsten McDuffie, and the return of Jon Bernthal as Punisher."
The netflix shows were over rated. People give them way too much extra credit because they were the first Marvel shows that sorta tried and because of that everyone exaggerated their quality and I know this because a lot of morons actually praise the actor that played the Punisher.
its mean new daredevil will be played by black fat trannie
Bad. They don't know what they're doing.
>all new crew post esg cutoff
>Fewer than half of the series’ 18 episodes had been shot, but it was enough for Marvel executives, including chief Kevin Feige, to review the footage and come away with a clear-eyed assessment: The show wasn’t working. Sources say that Corman and Ord crafted a legal procedural that did not resemble the Netflix version, known for its action and violence. Cox didn’t even show up in costume until the fourth episode. Marvel, after greenlighting the concept, found itself needing to rethink the original intention of the show. Marvel plans to keep some scenes and episodes, though other serialized elements will be injected, with Corman and Ord becoming executive producers on the two-season series.
So basically, they shot about half a season of a Daredevil show and Marvel has to scrap most of it because there was no Daredevil in it.
Source?
https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/tv/tv-news/daredevil-marvel-disney-1235614518/
On the one hand, legal dramas are lowkey kino.
On the other hand, marvelplebs can't into kino. And marvel can't create kino (especially not in an 18 episode tv show).
So this was almost certainly for the best.
I hope the new one heavily features Daredevil's Catholic guilt as a theme.
Disney Daredevil will be an atheist.
>2020's Disney
>Catholic
Never
He'll probably be struggling over his gender identity instead. Remember that this is a Disney product now
>Best show of Netflix
>It's about a catholic superhero
That's what I call based
Netflix Daredevil already had that during season 3. Disney would make Daredevil atheist or blame his catholic faith for everything.
moronic writers, glad they got fired
>Cox didn’t even show up in costume until the fourth episode
So basically it would filter inpatient zoomer brainlets but was probably good for those who don't need instant gratification or fist fights
>reddit spacing
This isn't an origin story. Of course people expect Daredevil to be in Daredevil.
you know Daredevil is also a lawyer? you can have him out of costume; he doesn't need to be fighting bad guys in his suit every episode
Cinemaphile try not to mention zoomers challenge (impossible)
No, it was probably marvel slop for those too
what a fricking moronic company. 13 year old boys aren't asking for a legal procedural, hard hitting drama. disney will never recover.
Why does the japanese know how to make shit for the shounen demo but the west just keeps struggling. 13 year old boys and nerdy manchildren don't want law & order from their action oriented narratives.
Disney believes the boys and men will tune in to Daredevil. How will they attract women? Romantic subplots, courtroom drama, superficial takes on modern events. Meanwhile boys and adult collectors are abandoning most of their shit.
>How will they attract women?
This is another thing that bothers me. Why is this question even being asked in the first place? No one in Japan ask the question how is something like DBZ going to attract women when it's about violent battles between men or won't women be turned off from isekai if we keep having plots involving our male MC getting a sexy hot slave gf. Instead japan has genres aimed at the female demo instead of subverting shit that appeals to their nerdy male audiences.
It's mind boggling to me that all the major fantasy shows right now in the west are female lead & female centric(house of dragon, ring of power, wheel of time, and the witcher)when the genre has historically in male archetypes(heroism, adventuring parties, monster hunting, magic, and etc).
>major fantasy shows right now in the west are female lead & female centric(house of dragon, ring of power, wheel of time, and the witcher)when the genre has historically in male archetypes(heroism, adventuring parties, monster hunting, magic, and etc).
We can blame the showrunners and the suits for pandering to the danger haired women of twitter but at the same time blame has to be placed on all the mindless consoomer soiboys who watch this garbage without an iota of self respect.
Kek I'm sure it would be a "legal procedural" the way secret invasion was supposed to be a "political thriller"
so bascially the first 4 episodes are about Matt taking on cases of police brutality, gender discrimination, and wage gap
Wow, sounds fricking awful. I'm glad it was shitcanned.
Remember when the she hulk writers admitted that they couldnt write a court drama? Maybe these writers should have done that show.
>known for its action and violence
is this a joke?
netflix show had very little action
it was just people talking, especially that moronic redhead
glad they realized action is what people want, but netflix was not that. never was.
frick off, courtroom drama is exactly what daredevil needs. nobody wants pew pew pow wow bullshit
stupid post, stupid poster. don't activate my trap card by claiming to have been pretending. we both know you aren't.
Nah. He is right. Daredevil is basically shitty Batman without Batman's rogues gallery. And we are talking about streaming budget, so they probably aren't going to make anything cool with his special senses or building swinging. Just stealthy ninja with a stick.
Matt Murdock deserved the show more than Daredevil.
nobody remembers anything from daredevil except the fight scenes. except the fights with ninjas in them, those fricking sucked.
I'd like me some courtroom drama but this shit will not work without the cast of the original flix show to bounce off from.
There’s nothing that wrong with a legal focus on Daredevil, especially if it’s the first season.
The problem here is they recast the same guy from the show that already was successful and blended drama and action well. Now you reboot that, remove half the cast that made it work, remove the action, and want people to enjoy your off brand reset button?
It’s stupid.
This. If it just continued like it was season 4 it'd be a fresh welcome since season 3 was nothing but Daredevil kino.
it was never going to be anything
you only need to look at how Kingpin and Daredevil are already fricking lame as frick now since they've come back
And there's no Bullseye
there's no point
I mean continued with everyone from the original.
You just summarised the entirety of Star Wars.
Sounds like they made the right call. This shit is seen millennial morons surf Dracula tier moron shit. Seems like Iger's had enough and is cleaning shit up finally.
Current Marvel comics have taken a slightly less woke route, probably due to the fact that the heads realized that shit doesn't sell. So maybe the movie/tv division will start applying a similar strategy, but it's probably just wishful thinking.
basically disney cant allow daredevil to be serious and gritty
It’s going to be horrible, doing the yellow costume is moronic
>THERE'S NOT ENOUGH TWERKING!!!!
>Same group that couldn't write She Hulk was expected to write Daredevil
lmao hacks deserve to not have a job
The kino season 3 threads were 5 years ago….bros
>Drive threads
>the height of baneposting
>True Detective s2 watch threads
>suicide squad threads after it won an oscar
>the Last Jedi seethe threads
>Joker threads after it won at venice
All those moments gone and we can never go back
don't be sad they're gone, be glad they happened
good since they were writing a Matt Murdock, filled with legal drama and not a Daredevil hardcore show like the netflix one
Remember when the She Hulk writers said they wanted to do a legal drama but realized halfway through writing that none of them knew how to write courtroom scenes?
>OBJECTION YOUR HONOR!
>On what grounds?
>Misogyny has no place in the courtroom and we motion for a mistrial
>I disagree with you and your new fangled legal strategies. You're on thin ice council. However I'm bound by the law. Objection upheld. Mistrial.
>*the spectators in the gallery cheer and celebrate while the prosecutors scowl at her*
Word on the street is that the whole corrupt cops storyline is too polarizing even for Disney. Feige expected something more subdued but it became a major part of the season. He foresaw a major backlash. The creative shuffle is a way for the ACAB stuff to be toned way down.
I believe it. Only Victoria Alonzo pushed for that woke shit.
what do you think?
>She-Hulk was such a trainwreck that it made Marvel completely rethink their whole production process so it doesn't happen again
We won She Hulk sisters!
no wonder it flopped, guess marvel is finally realizing that their diversity hire writers are garbage
bhabhahabha Thats what you get for hiring a bunch of woke mentally ill justice warriors instead of talent
>They didn't like the 18 episodes already filmed
>It didn't maintain the essence of the character.
>The suit did not appear until the 4th episode.
>one of the best scenes in the series is in one of those 4 episodes
crazy
Why don't they just use the writers who wrote the first 3 seasons?
kind of crazy that with all that money they still can't hire a good fricking writer
Shan't be watching unless my waifu returns
uh Matt has upgraded to a better woman already
souless vs soul
Same, brother
I miss this lil homie like you wouldn’t believe
HELLO! I DON'T GIVE A SHIT!
YOU CAN FRICK OFF WITH YOUR AMERICAN SLOP NOW!
do not redeem
Goddammit man they fricked it up
Sweet fricking jesus
>creative reboot
>creative
>reboot
Endtimes are truly upon us.
My thirst for daredevil stuff is already quenched. I'm happy with the three seasons we got.
season three was so unbelievably kino. besides the stinger in the final scene, you can view the ending as a pretty satisfying conclusion to the series
They pretty much did everything with Daredevil that he ever needed to be. He's not one of those characters that has an infinite number of stories like Spider-Man or something
Is season 3 really that good? I've been reluctant to pick it up after season 2 being a bit of a disappointment.
Is it true I need to watch the defenders to understand it?
It's better than S3. As for the Defenders, I never even watched that. Just read a summary of what I needed to know before proceeding with DD.
better than S2*
Hahahaha!
AI will be writing daredevil now
Depends. If you like Marvel it's good because they are listening. If you don't like Marvel it's bad because now the product will be liked by people and you'll get Marvel content for many more years to come.
I always found it weird how Cinemaphile hates Marvel yet cheers when they change things after a backlash. You should hope they don't change anything.
>I always found it weird how Cinemaphile hates Marvel yet cheers when they change things after a backlash.
Cinemaphile hates Hollywood writers, so they like it when any gets fired/reigned in.
They hate Marvel because it is distilled hollywood.
>I always found it weird how Cinemaphile hates Marvel yet cheers when they change things after a backlash. You should hope they don't change anything.
Then maybe you should slink on back to r/MCU where I'm sure there's a lot more cope-posting about how it was originally going to be amazing but now it's going to be even more amazing-er
It cracks me up that Feige and Co. didn't even read the scripts before greenlighting filming.
I suspect they didn't read Echo or Ironheart either. Firing the entire writing team for Feige's laziness is funny though.
Feige wasn't in charge moron. Victoria Alonzo took his place after Endgame so they could push wokeshit on a successfully proven brand. No surprise the last three movies got major backlash while the shows could barely finish production and she got fired. Not layed off, not allowed to resign, but actually properly fired.
I'm pretty much convinced that capeshitters are irredeemable plebs incapable of enjoying anything but slop
Did they belong to the writers guild?
All I want is to see Karen again.
bros
I am hella lost
Wasnt daredevil season 3 supposed to be "born again"?
it kind of started that way then turned into the plot where kingpin runs for mayor and that one where a guy pretends to be daredevil and bullseye all mixed together
I actually liked the first Daredevil movie with the Evanescence soundtrack. They should go back to doing that.
edge kino
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The got rid of Karen and my israelitefu. Which sucks because the Fisk/Vanessa romance is the best part of the show.
Also,
>make the best capeshit tv series ever
>then fire the writers
What were they thinking?
I don't think it was the same team
Friendly reminder that Disney got rid off every white supporting character(Karen, Foggy) and replaced them with black and brown woman. The only white characters are Matt and Fisk. I guess Matt having 2 close white friends was problematic."New details have been revealed for Marvel Studios’ upcoming Disney+ series, Daredevil: Born Again, that reveal the show will include a female Urich, a race replaced Kirsten McDuffie, and the return of Jon Bernthal as Punisher."
glad it got cancelled
The netflix shows were over rated. People give them way too much extra credit because they were the first Marvel shows that sorta tried and because of that everyone exaggerated their quality and I know this because a lot of morons actually praise the actor that played the Punisher.
Still far better than any of the Disney+ trainwrecks.