99% certain it's for the best. I doubt they'd be able to emulate what made Daria work well. I hope this is the start of a trend to leave older shows the hell alone.
One of the few times a tax-write off has done good
Probably for the best, I like Jodie as a character but giving her a full spin-off may have not been a good idea. Besides this now gives the chance of a proper Daria revival to happen in the future.
One focus on Daria, Jane and the rest of the cast now older in the modern day.
That shouldn't be hard to make possible.
Let's be honest, was anyone genuinely interested in this?
Good riddance. I for one am delighted to see Hollywood literally dying because of high interest rates. Frick em. Not so fun having to actually turn a profit with your slop, is it, you fricking producer gremlins?
I disagree, I think it should have a chance to fail on its own.
My guess is that this is less about financials, and more about protecting Daria, and by extension the Beavis and Butthead IP, from shifting cultural winds. Jodie was probably woke. It was probably as woke as the Proud Family reboot. Paramount looked at it, then looked at the latest polling for the next election, and thought "maybe this won't go over as well as we hoped."
Either way, it's too bad. I'm an aficionado of disasters, and a supporter of Hollywood Armageddon, so I am disturbed by this newfound moderation. Hopefully this is all moot when IATSE goes on strike.
It had to be some form of woke. You can't just have a black person being a normal human with a normal life in America in 2024. Imagine if it was politically neutral, or Jodie was a centrist, and not a left winger. Good lord the backlash.
>Imagine if it was politically neutral, or Jodie was a centrist, and not a left winger.
The irony is her parents were super rich conservatives so any "le relatability" they were going to portray in this movie would've had an extra layer of hilarity. Jodie isn't the 1% but she is the black 1%, and there's no way modern writers could pull that off without it being cringe
>Jodie spends the night at a friend's >gets an outfit ruined, needs to borrow one of hers >doesn't have her makeup or hair product with her >goes out in public >queue jokes and situations about losing what privilege she had >someone judges her based on her looks >she doesn't say anything >antics ensue >someone blames it on her, saying if maybe she talked better this wouldn't happen
For any of this to work at all, Jodie needs to be a privileged vapid butthole who doesn't believe in white privilege and thinks people respect her for her intelligence and eloquence in a colorblind way. Ans even then it's preachy and woke, but at least now it might also be funny instead of sad that bad things are happening to a good person and we're beaten over the head with a message.
It's almost like using the one character who was mature and didn't struggle emotionally and making a show about her wasn't a good idea
It's almost like you have to change the character for a show to work
It's almost like you need to destroy the character and shit all over the original show to make this spin off
It's almost like you are behaving like you hate Daria while claiming that the people who like Daria are the ones trying to destroy it
It's almost like you are so stupid that you never realized that the whole point of the show was that the character you projected yourself into was acting like a moron and was wrong about everything and you still watch the show and say that's totally me not understanding that acting like Daria was wrong all along
What should be less financially sound is spending time and resources on something and then slamming it in a vault to get a fraction of the money you could have earned from it back
Yeah, this part is what confuses me. The only reason I wouldn't put out a finished, but shit movie is if I thought it could damage the brand. But...this is Daria. What damage could this movie do to its brand? Even if its shit, people will still think fondly of the actual Daria show.
I disagree with this premise, but even if we accept it to be true, why limit the potential damage to Daria itself, and not the entire Paramount brand? Case in point, I think most youtube commentators talking about Proud Family have at best passing knowledge of the original show. But they latched onto it and attacked Disney as a whole for it, and got pretty decent mileage. This isn't about whether you agree with them or not, it's just what happened. This guilt by association phenomenon is also not one-sided.
Paramount is preparing itself for a sale, so the last thing it needs is something that stokes controversy either by being extremely political and divisive, or by being embarrassingly incompetent. I don't know which one Jodie might be, but this possibility cannot be discounted.
>So why can’t you just put it on a shelf and wait?
Because it costs money to do so. Studios cannot record what they spent on a movie as an expenditure immediately, unless they write it off.
Yeah, this part is what confuses me. The only reason I wouldn't put out a finished, but shit movie is if I thought it could damage the brand. But...this is Daria. What damage could this movie do to its brand? Even if its shit, people will still think fondly of the actual Daria show.
In the not so far future we'll all be doing this with the movies and shows we loved, because they've all been locked away in vaults to give the corporations weird tax write-offs that they've finagled by bribing everyone who writes the tax laws, after they realised they couldn't make enough money from streaming to pay all the people who actually created the thing.
99% certain it's for the best. I doubt they'd be able to emulate what made Daria work well. I hope this is the start of a trend to leave older shows the hell alone.
If you have a demo reel from it, you’ll be fine. But having every project you work on never see the light of day will make people quit the industry quicker than they can be replaced.
Refusing to hire people in place of AI is bad optics. But having to “resort” to AI because there aren’t enough people looking for work will get a pass.
Cartoon Network was writing shows off long before Zaslav. Odds are most single or two season series were and no one noticed because if they were popular, they wouldn't be one or two season shows.
Megas XLR was the only show Cartoon Network ever wrote off that was popular enough to warrant a comeback, but that's impossible today since it straight up used iconic robot designs like Mazinger Z that are licensed outside of Japan now, so it's in lawsuit territory.
Probably for the best, I like Jodie as a character but giving her a full spin-off may have not been a good idea. Besides this now gives the chance of a proper Daria revival to happen in the future.
One focus on Daria, Jane and the rest of the cast now older in the modern day.
I don't think they'd timeskip. They'd just slide the timeline. Yes, the B&B timeskip episodes worked but knowing B&B them as adults actually sounded interesting, and they were able to make it such. Daria benefited from the characters being teenagers waiting on the future.
Or, y'know what? B&B's doing an 11th season, let's hope there's some Daria episodes and see how it works out.
Daria is one of my favorite shows, but as a black guy I was pretty upset Jodie was ever green lit. She had so little presence and other than being a non stereotypical black person she added nothing to the show. Hopefully a real Daria season will happen.
Daria actually told a story of a character who grew and learnt and changed and became a better person
If you continue Daria you would have to write a show about the Daria who got stuck in a box after realizing she was being awful to everyone
You would have to write a show about a character who already solved her internal conflict
Did it make sense when they did it with Daria?
I'm not saying a Jodie spin-off was a surefire success but I think people also forget Daria was also just a random side-character from Beavis and Butthead and not a big one either.
They way people react to the Jodie spin-off, people reacted to Daria at least inititally.
The major caveat is Daria in her own show was rewritten significantly from her origonal apearence in BaB. Which is something I think they would also needed to do for Jodie since her personality doesn't really lend itself for primary protagonist potential. But who knows, maybe they did.
Daria was pretty much just air lifted from the show for a concept. She could have just been an OC instead of a background character they picked and nothing would change as Daria never referenced BnB or relied on the viewer even knowing what that show was.
Jodie seemed the opposite since the pitch was using mem'ber berries and muh childhood to stand it up.
>Did it make sense when they did it with Daria?
Beavis & Butthead wasn't made 20 years ago, you moronic Black person. These are the people making your entertainment.
So wait you guys literally cant put shelved content that you worked on in your resume? Thats seriously fricked up. Got any inside dirt on new nicktoons, is the sister chronicles spin off really happening?
When under NDA, you are not allowed to show anything from a production that has not already been officially released by the studio. Even putting storyboard clips into a portfolio before the movie is out is considered leaking sensitive information and potential threat to studio profits. There are no exceptions to this if a movie is shelved too. If it is not officially released, then you can't talk about it. No exceptions were ever made for the rule because it's just plain black and white, no movie release, no show things from it, the end.
Is it a case of you can't say you worked on it at all in your resume or can you just not put stuff from it in your portfolio or however animation people show their work to potential employers?
You can claim that you worked on a title on your resume if that title has been announced in some format. But you cannot show any work if the media has not come out yet. Basically you cannot make any claims or show anything first, the studio has to show it first and you can come along afterward. Which is why most people will sit on their portfolio work for a year or so, waiting for a movie/show/season release and then they can start publicly talking about it.
This is why shelving movies harms the people who worked on it. They cannot use that work to get their next job.
I have no familiarity with the hiring process for art jobs, so I could be completely off, but assuming they have other things in their portfolio, couldn't they use it as a potential chance to show professionalism. They could put it on the list of show they worked on either as unreleased work from x company or by title, and then be very professional about what they say if they are asked for details. I bet companies would love to see that the person can be trusted to not reveal information they shouldn't.
3 months ago
Anonymous
The problem comes from showing it. It's a talent based job and they want to know you did X thing and was good at it. It's usually not enough just to say you did a thing if you cannot wow them with it.
But the bigger issue is the possibility that you might be lying to make your resume sound better than it really is. Because again they want to know that you are skilled. also the industry is filled with random really untalented, just plain terrible people, or scammers who steal other's pics and try to get in on a production. Or they are low skill people who try to lie and fake it, or they refuse to work on their art etc. Sometimes they are crazy fanboys who just want their name attached to their fascination.
You can put it on a resume anyway dipshit, there are no laws stating you can't. Right?
Why did you guys make the design and cinematography like that by the way? You doing a cross over with B&B or something?
>Coyote vs Acme gets scrapped despite being finished >people call for David Zaslav to get fired >Jodie gets scrapped despite being finished >no one calls for Bob Bakish to get fired
Why the difference?
>Why the difference?
No offense to the staff or the film itself. It just came out at a time where the industry is so oversaturated with DEI content that no one is going to defend the cancellation, everyone is breathing a sigh of relief. Disney already gave us diversity fatigue almost a decade ago now with Star Wars.
If this is real and the movie is actually finished I genuinely hope someone does the right thing and leaks it. MTV, yada yada, just go to a mcdonalds in a random city and use their wifi on a burner laptop.
> just go to a mcdonalds in a random city and use their wifi on a burner laptop
The problem is more that any file someone on a post production team would have had access to is almost definitely watermarked both in obvious and inobvious ways. Cinemaphile likes to throw around the term “blacklisted” glibly, but breaking NDA like that would be one of the things to actually do it. Aside from that, the leaked would open themselves up to a whole ton of legal repercussions.
Why is it that professed fans of cartoons and comics hate people who actually work on cartoons and comics? I understand that Cinemaphile shits on everything that comes out, but there is a pervasive sentiment that work in those industries is not “real work”.
Because it’s part of the victim narrative. The creators “hate” fans so that gives people the justification to hate creators and make up shit to be mad about
the ultimate consoomer mindset, they don't care for or about creators they just want constant unlimited slop, crunch and overworking isnt to be scolded as unethical or praised as dedication but just the bare minimum to get as much slop as possible, creators health, unions, morals all issues if they get in the way of constant slop.
Good riddance. I for one am delighted to see Hollywood literally dying because of high interest rates. Frick em. Not so fun having to actually turn a profit with your slop, is it, you fricking producer gremlins?
In all seriousness: everybody does realize this is part of Hollywood dying, right?
The high interest rates are eating Hollywood alive. It was easy to put out slop for DEI credits back when the Fed was literally handing out free money, so Hollywood got full to the brim with people who don't know how to make anything else, from directors to producers to writers to animators to actors.
But Jerome Powell has taken the punch bowl away and now Hollywood has to actually MAKE money, but they've got almost no one left who actually knows how to do that. They don't actually know how to appeal to mainstream audiences any more.
So we keep seeing flops and failures, and the only things succeeding are those things being made by people who actually know what they're doing (like Oppenheimer or Dune Part Two). But there's not enough of those guys left in Hollywood to keep the whole town afloat, so Hollywood, collectively, is circling the drain.
I wouldn't be surprised if we start seeing studios declare bankruptcy relatively soon. And they have no one to blame but themselves.
Studios realize what Blumhouse already figured out as decade ago: Instead of throwing hundreds of millions of dollars on a couple of films to risk the potential of getting massive short term profits that if fails leave massive loss; Invest in a bunch of meager budget films that heavy market on certain niche fanbases that are safe bets on making decent profit.
The real killer more than anything is investors and their utter deranged need for constant market growth, even when there is no more growth to make or doing so has alienated everyone.
>Invest in a bunch of meager budget films that heavy market on certain niche fanbases that are safe bets on making decent profit. >more niche horror movies >probably a return to theatrical 2D since its also cheaper
LOOKS LIKE KINOS BACK ON THE MENU BOYZ
That's assuming studios and executives filled with geriatrics and nepo babies are willing to learn their lesson, accept they're wrong and are willing to invest in long term rather than short term large profits.
These aren't great odds. Not impossible but not great either. And that's not accounting the potential rise of AI over the decade which more and more is looking like the new golden calf for suits who want fast and big cash.
3 months ago
Anonymous
AI movies will not happen. Nobody wants factory farmed """"art"""" and theres already safeguards in place to not go that route thanks to the writers strike
3 months ago
Anonymous
>Nobody wants factory farmed """"art""""
The fact you think they care what people think is very naive. >Already safeguards in place to not go that route thanks to the writers strike
WGA agreement is AI can't be used to reduce compensation of writers via rewrites, remove credit or make it so no writers need to be hired.
However part of the compromise and what studios demanded as a "must" is the flexibility of AI being used as part of the wrirting process.
So films can't just not have a writer but there really isn't anything from stopping them from getting a WGA member writer and have his whole job to just be using ChatGPT.
Mild exagerattion as the stipulation say's they can't "force the writer" but the writer "has to choose to use AI tools".
3 months ago
Anonymous
I still dont buy that they arent just gonna replace all script writing with AI chatgpt shit
3 months ago
Anonymous
I'm not a total doomer about it but at the same vein, we've already seen this exact thing starting to happen in the vidya industry that has yet to have their own big frick off strtike. My bet would be that one of the big studios will ever very lightly dip their toes in AI with every other company observing the results. If nobody cares, they push it a bit more and more to see how much they could get away with it and whatever amount of AI usage would ends with major controversy every company would step in and just barely stay right begind that line.
3 months ago
Anonymous
PBS is already using AI in their projects and teaching kids it's okay for them to use it too
3 months ago
Anonymous
its time for them to be arrested then
3 months ago
Anonymous
>Nobody wants factory farmed """"art""""
Nobody wanted 7 Transformers sequels, Eternals, and Live Disney remakes either. They don't give a frick what you want. They think they can tell you want you want.
3 months ago
Anonymous
>Nobody wanted 7 Transformers sequels, Eternals, and Live Disney remakes either.
yes that is both the ideology of capitalism as well as cancer. infinite growth breaks the 2nd law of thermodynamics, but because le ebul combunism we gotta run the polluted planet into the plastic ground
>studios opt for governmnt handouts instead of fighting in the market with disasterous, inevitable results >"c-capitalism is at fault QUIT MAKING FUN OF MY IDEOLOGY FAILING AGAIN!"
even when it isn't brought up you still need to defend your tribe. really need some introspection, m8
>The real killer more than anything is investors and their utter deranged need for constant market growth, even when there is no more growth to make or doing so has alienated everyone.
>deranged need for constant market growth
yes that is both the ideology of capitalism as well as cancer. infinite growth breaks the 2nd law of thermodynamics, but because le ebul combunism we gotta run the polluted planet into the plastic ground
As a businessman this is the thing that drives me fricking nuts about modern business. Mindless self defeating self consuming drive for growth.
The capitalists don’t understand profit and loss, the ‘communists’ don’t bother to even read Marx, just a parade of blind morons and clapping seals landing 21 on the blackjack table then asking for another hit anyway.
It’s this way in art, telecom, insurance, everything. Not to mention most execs are just trying to get a short term return and don’t give a frick about the company’s future, in part because they know the company will throw them out for some reason or another within 4 years anyway.
And to those larping as communists, make sure you’ve actually read a fricking book and learned the history of the model before you go around telling everyone it’s the silver bullet antidote. Not much room for bloggers after the revolution, comrade. Pull your weight for capital or for the proletariat - pick your poison.
So yeah, good riddance to these losers who haven’t made a good return on investment once in their lives. We need some cautionary tales and burning platforms to inspire people to start doing shit that makes any sense.
Anyway, I’m off my soapbox. Shit just makes me mad.
>Mindless self defeating self consuming drive for growth.
It's still rational to a certain extent. These people aren't investors, they're gamblers. It is completely within their right and in their own interest to move their money out when there isn't growth. The problem are the people at the company who acquiesce to gamblers.
The simple solution to this would be to increase the minimum time for stock sales to qualify for capital gains tax rate to 2 years. Hell, make it 5.
>The real killer more than anything is investors and their utter deranged need for constant market growth, even when there is no more growth to make or doing so has alienated everyone.
This is the problem for business across the board. For some reason the aging boomers lost their fricking minds around 2014ish and decided that all companies must be exponentially growing and bring in higher and higher profits every single quarter. And when they don. there is a problem, things need to be shut down and employees fired.
Agreed. It’s been noticeably worse since then. Businesses don’t get to just do well nor do they get to decide to shoot for a smaller share. Everyone needs to be trying to be a little Amazon or off with their heads.
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The only answer is taxation and regulation and money given to workers and consumers by way of policy thar directly moves funds taxed to them or by encouraging those practices through policy.
What's happening is that businesses make investors of us all. Our retirements and 401ks are directly tied to the stock market. That means the fiduciary responsibility to make profit isn't just an evil lining of the pockets of a select few (even though that is what happens with CEO payouts) it's a "oh but think of all the little guys hinging their retirements to us". If there was more revenue to take better care of workers and seniors, this wouldn't be too much of an issue, but now we're hinging our inability to find a decent job, housing, and affordable health care, to our dreams of retiring from the theoretical job that offers a 401k.
This is the ground crumbling beneath our feet. It's the nature of the free market and corporations and, outside of violence that they will end up controlling and using against us, the best course of action is to stay informed, don't fall for the distractions, call it what it is, and support policy alternatives. And if that all continues to fall through, at least the cause of any violence that occurs becomes more clear.
I respect your position, but disagree based on the fact that - at least speaking as a native of Freedomistan - our politicians are utterly clueless about good finance and are demonstrably super untrustworthy to handle economics or anything involving market policy - across all tenure bands too. Giving them power to regulate would make the soviet planned economies look like a dream by comparison.
>Mindless self defeating self consuming drive for growth.
It's still rational to a certain extent. These people aren't investors, they're gamblers. It is completely within their right and in their own interest to move their money out when there isn't growth. The problem are the people at the company who acquiesce to gamblers.
The simple solution to this would be to increase the minimum time for stock sales to qualify for capital gains tax rate to 2 years. Hell, make it 5.
Gambler is a great term. But man what a shitty devolution to fall to.
Because israelites passed a law a long time ago that says corperations have an obligation to their share holders and not the people. This is why boomers left in business are so shitty because instead of caring for the workers they only care for what is essensially the government. Now that the younger generations don't want these products or even have the money for it, instead of just accepting defeat or changing they are just doubling down.
When under NDA, you are not allowed to show anything from a production that has not already been officially released by the studio. Even putting storyboard clips into a portfolio before the movie is out is considered leaking sensitive information and potential threat to studio profits. There are no exceptions to this if a movie is shelved too. If it is not officially released, then you can't talk about it. No exceptions were ever made for the rule because it's just plain black and white, no movie release, no show things from it, the end.
NDA is a joke and ultimatley they can't do anything about leaks. Most the time they won't do anything reguardless of if they actually know who it is because the point is to keep secrets hidden. If it's out in the open already there isn't a point in spending money or time trying to punish the leaker cause the damage is already done. Plus if the leaker is known then they are more than likely going to be black listed anyway cause no company is going to hire someone they can't trust.
3 months ago
Anonymous
>jews
It's funny when you say it that way because then you can't blame Republicans or free market capitalists. Now you can keep saying "greed is good" and being based. That's really cool.
3 months ago
Anonymous
Bro how are you so dense? People that even mention israelites or whatever don't give a frick about republicans or democrats or any of that shit. They're above any identity politics "MUH SJWS MUH RACISTS REPUBLICANS" bullshit designed for moronic boomers.
I think everyone at this point with half a brain realized that there's no gay "sides" except people vs government. Fricking stop being so shallow.
3 months ago
Anonymous
>Says the person that has no idea how companies or NDAs work at all
3 months ago
Anonymous
That's not a law that is just business practice by and for these greedy buttholes.
>The real killer more than anything is investors and their utter deranged need for constant market growth, even when there is no more growth to make or doing so has alienated everyone.
This is the problem for business across the board. For some reason the aging boomers lost their fricking minds around 2014ish and decided that all companies must be exponentially growing and bring in higher and higher profits every single quarter. And when they don. there is a problem, things need to be shut down and employees fired.
The only answer is taxation and regulation and money given to workers and consumers by way of policy thar directly moves funds taxed to them or by encouraging those practices through policy.
What's happening is that businesses make investors of us all. Our retirements and 401ks are directly tied to the stock market. That means the fiduciary responsibility to make profit isn't just an evil lining of the pockets of a select few (even though that is what happens with CEO payouts) it's a "oh but think of all the little guys hinging their retirements to us". If there was more revenue to take better care of workers and seniors, this wouldn't be too much of an issue, but now we're hinging our inability to find a decent job, housing, and affordable health care, to our dreams of retiring from the theoretical job that offers a 401k.
This is the ground crumbling beneath our feet. It's the nature of the free market and corporations and, outside of violence that they will end up controlling and using against us, the best course of action is to stay informed, don't fall for the distractions, call it what it is, and support policy alternatives. And if that all continues to fall through, at least the cause of any violence that occurs becomes more clear.
>The only answer is taxation and regulation and money given to workers and consumers by way of policy thar directly moves funds taxed to them or by encouraging those practices through policy.
Sounds like government sticking their thumb into the free market and enforcing socialist ideology into American business. No one is going to stand for that and the minute anyone attempts it, undoing it and deregulating will become the official platform of every politician afterward.
3 months ago
Anonymous
That's not even what it has to be. Everyone understands that profit made by global corporations instantly leaves their communities by way of race to the bottom jobs and headquarters in another state. You'll see conservative towns with signs expressing their distaste for franchises. The non-socislist solution requires violence. That's what was funny about the Walmart episode of South Park. It wasn't a joke, that is the honest libertarian solution to local wealth extraction by outsiders; violence. So considering that's not going to be effective or acceptable it's good to also spend time finding and supporting policy solution. Again, this is because even if these continue to fail, at least you get to see who is making it fail and you get to see them try to justify it. Or they'll invent some new ESG and DEI for the public to rage about. Always fun.
3 months ago
Anonymous
>and the minute anyone attempts it, undoing it and deregulating will become the official platform of every politician afterward.
That's sort of the problem actually. It is incredibly hard to get much passed to protect workers and put a lid on giant corporation shenanigans when any attempt is instantly decried as evil communism rearing it's head in our perfect society once more, and half the political system runs on deregulating everything across the board. Even getting some measure passed at all would just be met with years of rival politicians trying their hardest to undo it as quickly as they can.
3 months ago
Anonymous
It goes beyond that because the companies are requiring complete compliance from the government and are sensitive to any potential regulations and won't let cooperation get in the way of market control. It's like how gas prices increase despite more land opening up for oil; they aren't in the business of lowering oil prices by introducing more to the market, they want pipelines to increase profit. A railroad company shows that they have new braking technology, the government looks at making that an industry standard. They refuse to cooperate, the Obama administration pusses out, train derailment, Pete Buttigieg is in place to do nothing. Democrats are free market capitalists, just ask Nancy.
Agreed. It’s been noticeably worse since then. Businesses don’t get to just do well nor do they get to decide to shoot for a smaller share. Everyone needs to be trying to be a little Amazon or off with their heads.
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I respect your position, but disagree based on the fact that - at least speaking as a native of Freedomistan - our politicians are utterly clueless about good finance and are demonstrably super untrustworthy to handle economics or anything involving market policy - across all tenure bands too. Giving them power to regulate would make the soviet planned economies look like a dream by comparison.
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Gambler is a great term. But man what a shitty devolution to fall to.
It doesn't have to be an immediate overhaul, we got here through little bits of policy and we can revisit those while creating new policies. And politicians are elected and Citizens United can be reversed. What you're mistaking for incompetence is them doing their job as they were paid to do so by their donors. That's not to say that they're secretly market experts, just that they are encouraged away from being effective here.
3 months ago
Anonymous
There’s merit to that, and I agree that pessimism isn’t a good approach.
I just think often people really undersell how difficult and tedious improving things will be.
3 months ago
Anonymous
I'm telling you it's going to be hard, gradual, and it could still lead to violence. When you see what happens to people outside the establishment parties, when you see how purposefully ineffective democrats are, I'm not sure who would ever give you the idea that improving this wouldn't be difficult and tedious.
>Studios realize what Blumhouse already figured out as decade ago: Instead of throwing hundreds of millions of dollars on a couple of films to risk the potential of getting massive short term profits that if fails leave massive loss
And then they betrayed their own ethos and fricked up with the Exorcist.
>The real killer more than anything is investors and their utter deranged need for constant market growth
The problem is companies promising growth in order to garner investor interest. Otherwise why would they invest? What are they even investing in? Old Hollywood as a whole had a 2% margin. That's less than inflation. People can park their money in a CD account and earn more than that in interest.
Stop blaming investors or tech bros. All they've done is prop up these companies that shouldn't need any propping up. Nobody was coerced into this relationship.
>but they've got almost no one left who actually knows how to do that.
It’s funny you seem to think creative people are in charge when it’s studio executives and they have always been out of touch, which is why everyone is always chasing after trends based on whatever happened to make money (see Barbie and how people now think it’s toy movies that’s hot and dozens of Hasbro shit being developed as movies) and these days projects are mostly green lighted based on excel spreadsheet projections and algorithms, not whatever creative pitches sound good. The creative people are still there, the issue has always been executives dictating things based on numbers because they’re glorified accountants.
Fink's shenanigans were always going to hit them back, and he is going to crash the entire Entertainment and Gaming industry with none of the morons at wallstreet having no way to stop it because they caused it out of Fear post Occupy Wallstreet.
they know that 2025 is when is going to happen.
that is why their entire motto for this year is "Survive"
The money is still there, the investors are still there. They're just not going to treat Hollywood like a tech startup anymore.
I've said this before abut publishing: it's easy. Not in the sense it's easy to do, but that it is a mature industry without mysteries. We don't need to guess at what expenditures will be necessary, where the revenue streams are, and what margins are necessary to get by. Hollywood is the same.
Movies and TV shows driven by DEI suck. But neither DEI itself, nor the Obama era laws that spurned it, nor the political shift since TARP have gone. The focus will shift, idiots will keep losing money, and grifters will keep grifting. But "new" Hollywood has to make real money now, and pay some fricking dividends. I'm looking at you, Netflix.
I won't go that far, but it's pretty close. It's one of those things that hurts the people it's purportedly designed to help.
What we're suffering as consumers of pop culture? It's pretty trivial. We are whiny little b***hes. Even the fortunes being lost in the market is minor compared to the actual harm of DEI: it disincentivizes achievement and excellence in minority groups. The negatives will only reveal themselves over a long time line such that most people won't make that connection, but it's going to frick over certain minorities the same way food stamps have enslaved them to mediocrity.
Race is so irrelevant it's gag inducing to see people talk about DEI. It's 2024. Why are we going backwards? Why have we put a MAGNIFYING GLASS on every race EXCEPT whites? Isn't that what we did in the fricking 1920s? We separated everyone that was non-white pretty much and they were given their own 'stuff' and it was never good or high quality. That's literally DEI.
3 months ago
Anonymous
BIPOC is a tragedy. I don't know why that term exists, it's a form of self mandated whites only.
3 months ago
Anonymous
It's kind of unfortunate that Jodie was made against this current backdrop of DEI. Race does play a part in her story, but she's the kind of person modern progressives would label an "oreo." She feels the weight of being the model minority in the original series, yet she does not shirk that responsibility, and is rightly proud of it. Because she is smart enough to know that she and her family stands to benefit the most from her own achievements.
What are the chances the new Jodie movie was going to be about that? Eh.
In all seriousness: everybody does realize this is part of Hollywood dying, right?
The high interest rates are eating Hollywood alive. It was easy to put out slop for DEI credits back when the Fed was literally handing out free money, so Hollywood got full to the brim with people who don't know how to make anything else, from directors to producers to writers to animators to actors.
But Jerome Powell has taken the punch bowl away and now Hollywood has to actually MAKE money, but they've got almost no one left who actually knows how to do that. They don't actually know how to appeal to mainstream audiences any more.
So we keep seeing flops and failures, and the only things succeeding are those things being made by people who actually know what they're doing (like Oppenheimer or Dune Part Two). But there's not enough of those guys left in Hollywood to keep the whole town afloat, so Hollywood, collectively, is circling the drain.
I wouldn't be surprised if we start seeing studios declare bankruptcy relatively soon. And they have no one to blame but themselves.
We are going to experience some spectacular meltdowns as the DEI bubble deflates.
DEI grifters have gotten used to a level of authority on par with religious leaders, they are not going to let it go without a fight.
>They don't actually know how to appeal to mainstream audiences any more.
It has been almost a decade since they last tried. These days they put out self insert stories to complain about their parents not accepting them and then rage at the audience on twitter when it failed to make money, placing blame on the viewers.
Most major studios were chasing the streaming dream, while also totally abandoning every other means of selling their content. Then later discovered that streaming does not make nearly as much money as home theater sales and broadcast tv.
Dead Hollywood theory
Fake producers pith fake projects to fake investors based on fake metrics for fake audiences and the end product is never seen or heard about
The golden age of lost medua
Hollywood is to big to fail and it's the truth no one wants to admit. Hollywood is nothing but pure propaganda and is to big of an asset to let die. Even now in this slump while the leftist retohric starts to fall apart they aren't going to abandon it because the fact is it still does it job in pushing their agendas. Even if no one sees these movies they are still the ones who get to write history so they can go ahead and burn everything but their own so they can tell the future generations that this is what the people of the past did and enjoyed.
That's a common misconception of what 'too big to fail' means.
Too big to fail means it'll cause completely unacceptable destruction if it goes down.
So many people's livelihoods and such a huge chunk of the economy is tied up with hollywood that it would have cascading effects throughout seemingly unrelated industries if it were to collapse.
I don't think you realize the sheer magnitude of the economic catastrophe it would cause.
The current slow burn to hyperinflation we have, the 2008 crash, the dot-com crash, none of them would be even comparable.
Entertainment and media is so intertwined with the finance sector through various insurance and loan scam- sorry, 'hollywood accounting' that you'd see domino effect of funds, firms, and then banks completely failing, it would be complete and utter fricking pandemonium.
Don't get me wrong, I think the industry and everything it has it's tendrils in is on the whole, a disgusting, overgrown cancer on society that deserves nothing more than to completely collapse in on itself, like the ship-of-theseus'd failed shit-souffle that it is.
But the collateral damage would not be 'small time'.
3 months ago
Anonymous
meh i say wipe the slate clean its got nothing worth saving
>I wouldn't be surprised if we start seeing studios declare bankruptcy relatively soon.
This is a thread about a Paramount show. That is the most at-risk of all the major Hollywood studios. Their streaming service is irrelevant and still losing money. Their linear assets depreciate in value every single day. Their theatrical slate is so dire they greenlit a Ferris Buller spinoff centred on the vallets. They have almost nothing going for them.
>The high interest rates are eating Hollywood alive.
You have yet to convince me why this is MY problem and not the rich butthole that live in that state.
We are getting to the point where the giant becomes too big to function and falls and breaks into pieces that others will buy up and start the cycle all over again
I don't even know why they bothered with this idea to begin with. Jodie is fine as a side character with an occasional episode of focus every now and then, but she can't carry a whole movie by herself.
I agree with the general premise of what you said but daria knew exactly how much to feature certain side characters before they outstay their welcome. sandy moments are funny but her fricking voice drones way too hard to be the main one you'll hear for a 20 min episode
Not that the idea of a "Jodie" show was a winner but spin-offs having spin-offs isn't super hard to believe.
Mario is a spin-off that then got a whole bunch of other spin-offs under it. It's really more weird that this got a spin-off 15 years after the fact. Both BnB and Daria were beloved, this could have had a chance way back then. Now is just way too little too late.
>Coyote vs Acme gets scrapped despite being finished >people call for David Zaslav to get fired >Jodie gets scrapped despite being finished >no one calls for Bob Bakish to get fired
Why the difference?
No, people DO care about Daria, enough that she or Quinn or Jane or some combination of them all gets a thread here roughly once or twice a month.
The character people DON'T care about is Jodie. Nobody gives a single frick about Jodie, and everyone knows the only reason she was headlining this movie is because she's black. That let anyone with a brain realize instantly how bad the movie was going to be, and how much of a shit it was going to take all over the original show.
Any real fan of Daria should be praising God that this movie will never see the light of day.
>a mr demartino spinoff
I'd watch that. You could work it on a sliding timeline or a timeskip where he's been unable to retire even in his 60's because of his pitiful salary and gambling debt.
It'd be bleak and hilarious and now I'm disappointed because noone would ever make it.
I think people would be fine with a Jodie movie if it was part of a series where each character got their own feature length spin-off. And not as the first either. If she’s the third or fourth in the list, nobody would mind except the actual racists.
Jodie was a really really really boring character. I don’t care about race or gender or whatever else child’s on Cinemaphile like to b***h about, but focusing on her was boring even the few times they did it in the original series.
For Zaslav, it’s just the straw that broke the camels back. He’s been scrapping shit long beforehand, and going for Wile E seemed to be the step too far.
There were several major projects before Coyote vs Acme that got canned. The reason Coyote drew so much ire is that it actually has an interesting premise. "Ha, yeah. I bet Coyote WOULD sue Acme at some point..." It's a good enough idea that people are annoyed they won't get to see it.
People care about Looney Tunes, contrary to corporate belief
No one cares about Daria
No, people DO care about Daria, enough that she or Quinn or Jane or some combination of them all gets a thread here roughly once or twice a month.
The character people DON'T care about is Jodie. Nobody gives a single frick about Jodie, and everyone knows the only reason she was headlining this movie is because she's black. That let anyone with a brain realize instantly how bad the movie was going to be, and how much of a shit it was going to take all over the original show.
Any real fan of Daria should be praising God that this movie will never see the light of day.
I think people would be fine with a Jodie movie if it was part of a series where each character got their own feature length spin-off. And not as the first either. If she’s the third or fourth in the list, nobody would mind except the actual racists.
Maybe that anon claiming to have worked on the movie can state otherwise, but the Jodie project was said to feature Daria, and retcon both the previous show as well as Daria's friendship with Jodie in the modern day. The Jodie project was approved prior to the release of the Beavis & Butthead projects and their great reception and while MTV actively believed nobody to care for Daria beyond nostalgia and didn't care about the property. Rumor is now, however, there is another Daria project in the early stages of production, in part, due to the reception of Beavis & Butthead and streaming data showing a revived interest in Daria. If the Jodie movie was just an average movie, but heavily changed a property they now have a vested interested in, it may not be a lack of faith in the project itself but a way to better control the direction and reception of the IP in the coming years as the new project comes to light.
I've thought for years that a 'Daria: Is it 40 Yet?' would be a great one-off animated movie just to catch up with the cast. Having a film entirely focused on Jodie, of all characters, doesn't seem like the right choice.
I like Daria, watched all the seasons. I would not have watched this movie. This movie existed to placate someone's ego. Jodie was in a little over half the episodes but her presence was negligible in most of them. Nobody asked for this product. Glad it got shitcanned.
not sure how they could remain true to jodie's character. i remember her has simultaneously cynical and down to earth in a poe's law kinda way. she clearly knew that her achievements would have to be despite racism and her doing extra just to succeed in life, but the writers would have to be.... well, intelligent in the way she's presented. it would have to be like a cross between the shade thrown amongst dbz abridged characters but also huey freeman caught in a random good mood being wholesome to everyone
Some dumbass trolling used an AI prompt? Do you people fall for anything? Of course anyone who worked on this can put it on their resume, too, just because it was unreleased doesn't mean it can't go on a resume.
who would have thought a spinoff of a show cancelled 30 years ago starring a side character that only had maybe a single line of dialog per episode, often not even that, was not a great decision.
Again, strip the file of any identifying information, convert it and reconvert it, put it on a shitty laptop, upload it via free wifi at a random place not in your hometown.
A random artist with the movie on their HDD is too terrified of viacom to do this, even though this is a 100% foolproof way to leak something properly. You literally cannot be tracked if you do this. But viacom is scary man. Ask yourself; would you do it?
Yes. I have leaked and help distribute sensitive info and files. Some Nintendo stuff mostly. Again, if you go buy a netbook, put the file on it, and it never connects to your home wifi you're untrackable. Better yet, buy a used netbook that someone else set up already. I leaked stuff with the exact method I already said. I went several towns over for the day and uploaded each pack in a separate mcdonalds and panera.
They won't do it because all industry jobs are temporary 5 month to one year gigs. And they need to be re hirable later on down the road. Probably again from the very same studio. No one is going to jeopardize their future, which is so incredibly hard to get into in the first place, especially when the studios are very well aware how many people have the access to leak a movie.
I honestly would trust myself to catch all the security measures. The obvious stuff like words plastered over the screen, sure, but there are a lot of sneakier watermarks that most people wouldn’t notice these days.
Y'all think you can just leak Viacom's shit?
Notice why there are NO Viacom leaks? >just drive a few states over and upload it with mcdonalds
lmao
Viacom ends lives.
There's been plenty of Nick leaks over the last year. The new Fairly Odd Parents show had scripts, pitches and even an episode dumped here before it was officially announced.
Jodie was simply a very 1 dimensional, diversity hire character. Even the show acknowledged that she was. Daria herself was a total selfish b***h who preached and lectured people, A jodie spin off would simply be that, but on steroids. Hard pass. Daria was only great because of the other characters.
If anything, I would love to see a fashion club spin off. Those girls had more personality and were more fun to watch with their vapid, and b***hy comments.
She wasn't a diversity hire, she was someone who would call out diversity hires. Sure, Daria was also smart and perfect, but her deadpan pessimism made her a character. Jodie was a straightman to the antics of others with an added little miss perfect that you'd feel sorry for at times. When she was assertive, she was always in the right. Like when she got the class free stuff from the mall because their class trip was just making them unknowing subject in market research, she got be shrewd, but is still only just reacting. Not much to write around.
I liked Jodie because she was one of the few students at the high school that didn't fall victim to Daria's "smarter than thou" bratty attitude whenever they interacted. She was just off doing her own thing.
I'd rather the completed Jodie movie came out and baffled everyone for a moment before they moved on instead of tax write-offs for completed projects still being a thing.
Based, another woke project bites the dust. Too bad we couldn't see it fail on its own but now at least i have hope that suits are waking up to the reality of go woke go broke
Turns out pumping money into something no one wanted or asked for is not....LE FINANCIALLY SOUND???
I wanted it. I love hearing cartoon characters moralize and tell me I'm an awful person for existing.
You don't need a toon to tell you that. We can do that for you. For free. Every day.
I disagree, I think it should have a chance to fail on its own.
I disagree and you are wrong.
>LE FINANCIALLY SOUND
This is meaningless. The entertainment industry is first and foremost a gigantic money laundering scheme, it's an open secret.
My guess is that this is less about financials, and more about protecting Daria, and by extension the Beavis and Butthead IP, from shifting cultural winds. Jodie was probably woke. It was probably as woke as the Proud Family reboot. Paramount looked at it, then looked at the latest polling for the next election, and thought "maybe this won't go over as well as we hoped."
Either way, it's too bad. I'm an aficionado of disasters, and a supporter of Hollywood Armageddon, so I am disturbed by this newfound moderation. Hopefully this is all moot when IATSE goes on strike.
It had to be some form of woke. You can't just have a black person being a normal human with a normal life in America in 2024. Imagine if it was politically neutral, or Jodie was a centrist, and not a left winger. Good lord the backlash.
>north carolina's next governor is a racist who thinks slavery was good and the US is being driven to hell by satanic israelites
>he is black
the Dem nominee is gonna win
He has no meme energy plus democrats are gay and people want to kill them.
/pol/tards aren't people
>Imagine if it was politically neutral, or Jodie was a centrist, and not a left winger.
The irony is her parents were super rich conservatives so any "le relatability" they were going to portray in this movie would've had an extra layer of hilarity. Jodie isn't the 1% but she is the black 1%, and there's no way modern writers could pull that off without it being cringe
>Jodie spends the night at a friend's
>gets an outfit ruined, needs to borrow one of hers
>doesn't have her makeup or hair product with her
>goes out in public
>queue jokes and situations about losing what privilege she had
>someone judges her based on her looks
>she doesn't say anything
>antics ensue
>someone blames it on her, saying if maybe she talked better this wouldn't happen
For any of this to work at all, Jodie needs to be a privileged vapid butthole who doesn't believe in white privilege and thinks people respect her for her intelligence and eloquence in a colorblind way. Ans even then it's preachy and woke, but at least now it might also be funny instead of sad that bad things are happening to a good person and we're beaten over the head with a message.
Did you not watch the original Daria? She openly talked about how much pressure being a model minority is
how can she feel any pressure when she did frick all?
>as woke as the Proud Family reboot
thanks for confirming you never watched the original
What does the original have to do with the reboot?
It's almost like using the one character who was mature and didn't struggle emotionally and making a show about her wasn't a good idea
It's almost like you have to change the character for a show to work
It's almost like you need to destroy the character and shit all over the original show to make this spin off
It's almost like you are behaving like you hate Daria while claiming that the people who like Daria are the ones trying to destroy it
It's almost like you are so stupid that you never realized that the whole point of the show was that the character you projected yourself into was acting like a moron and was wrong about everything and you still watch the show and say that's totally me not understanding that acting like Daria was wrong all along
What should be less financially sound is spending time and resources on something and then slamming it in a vault to get a fraction of the money you could have earned from it back
Yeah, this part is what confuses me. The only reason I wouldn't put out a finished, but shit movie is if I thought it could damage the brand. But...this is Daria. What damage could this movie do to its brand? Even if its shit, people will still think fondly of the actual Daria show.
>says this when shows like Star Wars and Star Trek exist
lol
lmao even!
I disagree with this premise, but even if we accept it to be true, why limit the potential damage to Daria itself, and not the entire Paramount brand? Case in point, I think most youtube commentators talking about Proud Family have at best passing knowledge of the original show. But they latched onto it and attacked Disney as a whole for it, and got pretty decent mileage. This isn't about whether you agree with them or not, it's just what happened. This guilt by association phenomenon is also not one-sided.
Paramount is preparing itself for a sale, so the last thing it needs is something that stokes controversy either by being extremely political and divisive, or by being embarrassingly incompetent. I don't know which one Jodie might be, but this possibility cannot be discounted.
>Paramount is preparing itself for a sale, so the last thing it needs is something that stokes controversy
So why can’t you just put it on a shelf and wait?
>So why can’t you just put it on a shelf and wait?
Because it costs money to do so. Studios cannot record what they spent on a movie as an expenditure immediately, unless they write it off.
Sounds like test audiences just fricking hated it
>Zaslav cancels something
>le bad
>something starring a black woman gets canceled
>le good
Be less transparent.
>LE
cringe
kys
In the not so far future we'll all be doing this with the movies and shows we loved, because they've all been locked away in vaults to give the corporations weird tax write-offs that they've finagled by bribing everyone who writes the tax laws, after they realised they couldn't make enough money from streaming to pay all the people who actually created the thing.
>they couldn't make enough money from streaming to pay all the people who actually created the thing
those people already got paid, is called a wage.
99% certain it's for the best. I doubt they'd be able to emulate what made Daria work well. I hope this is the start of a trend to leave older shows the hell alone.
Thank God.
Zaslav has revolutionized the tax-writeoff industry
Yep we'll see even more AI projects since having vapour and canned projects aren't really Resume builders.
If you have a demo reel from it, you’ll be fine. But having every project you work on never see the light of day will make people quit the industry quicker than they can be replaced.
Refusing to hire people in place of AI is bad optics. But having to “resort” to AI because there aren’t enough people looking for work will get a pass.
I hope zaslav gets killed someday soon
He'll outlive Cinemaphile (formerly Cinemaphile)
no he won't
Cartoon Network was writing shows off long before Zaslav. Odds are most single or two season series were and no one noticed because if they were popular, they wouldn't be one or two season shows.
Megas XLR was the only show Cartoon Network ever wrote off that was popular enough to warrant a comeback, but that's impossible today since it straight up used iconic robot designs like Mazinger Z that are licensed outside of Japan now, so it's in lawsuit territory.
One of the few times a tax-write off has done good
Probably for the best, I like Jodie as a character but giving her a full spin-off may have not been a good idea. Besides this now gives the chance of a proper Daria revival to happen in the future.
One focus on Daria, Jane and the rest of the cast now older in the modern day.
That shouldn't be hard to make possible.
Can you make a sequel that both respects the optimistic ending of the original but is about something worth watching?
I'm not sure Daria needs to be brought back.
I suppose you could tell a story about what it means to be an adult millennial, but you're going to offend all the shitters who populate her world.
>Besides this now gives the chance of a proper Daria revival to happen in the future.
God I fricking hope not.
I don't think they'd timeskip. They'd just slide the timeline. Yes, the B&B timeskip episodes worked but knowing B&B them as adults actually sounded interesting, and they were able to make it such. Daria benefited from the characters being teenagers waiting on the future.
Or, y'know what? B&B's doing an 11th season, let's hope there's some Daria episodes and see how it works out.
> They'd just slide the timeline.
Honestly Daria is just so 90's that I think sliding the timeline would fail miserably.
Calling Jodie a character is being far too generous. The tertiary members of the Fashion Club had more presence.
>That shouldn't be hard to make possible.
>I almost hurt myself hammering my dick in with this rusty nail
>I'm sure it'll go different if I use a screw driver instead
Daria is one of my favorite shows, but as a black guy I was pretty upset Jodie was ever green lit. She had so little presence and other than being a non stereotypical black person she added nothing to the show. Hopefully a real Daria season will happen.
You are not black, although I would like a proper Daria revival.
Daria actually told a story of a character who grew and learnt and changed and became a better person
If you continue Daria you would have to write a show about the Daria who got stuck in a box after realizing she was being awful to everyone
You would have to write a show about a character who already solved her internal conflict
oh great, another thing I worked on I can't put in my resume
Those flowers look weird.
The whole background looks weird, as it was from Beavis and butthead or king of the hill
Do it anyways.
You did? Got any interesting inside info?
If you can answer, did it make sense? Making a movie about a side character from a show made 20 years ago?
Did it make sense when they did it with Daria?
I'm not saying a Jodie spin-off was a surefire success but I think people also forget Daria was also just a random side-character from Beavis and Butthead and not a big one either.
They way people react to the Jodie spin-off, people reacted to Daria at least inititally.
The major caveat is Daria in her own show was rewritten significantly from her origonal apearence in BaB. Which is something I think they would also needed to do for Jodie since her personality doesn't really lend itself for primary protagonist potential. But who knows, maybe they did.
I don't think Spinoffs are impossible to do but keep in mind when Daria came out B&B was still popular. This feels 15 years too late.
Daria was pretty much just air lifted from the show for a concept. She could have just been an OC instead of a background character they picked and nothing would change as Daria never referenced BnB or relied on the viewer even knowing what that show was.
Jodie seemed the opposite since the pitch was using mem'ber berries and muh childhood to stand it up.
>Did it make sense when they did it with Daria?
Beavis & Butthead wasn't made 20 years ago, you moronic Black person. These are the people making your entertainment.
So wait you guys literally cant put shelved content that you worked on in your resume? Thats seriously fricked up. Got any inside dirt on new nicktoons, is the sister chronicles spin off really happening?
When under NDA, you are not allowed to show anything from a production that has not already been officially released by the studio. Even putting storyboard clips into a portfolio before the movie is out is considered leaking sensitive information and potential threat to studio profits. There are no exceptions to this if a movie is shelved too. If it is not officially released, then you can't talk about it. No exceptions were ever made for the rule because it's just plain black and white, no movie release, no show things from it, the end.
Is it a case of you can't say you worked on it at all in your resume or can you just not put stuff from it in your portfolio or however animation people show their work to potential employers?
You can claim that you worked on a title on your resume if that title has been announced in some format. But you cannot show any work if the media has not come out yet. Basically you cannot make any claims or show anything first, the studio has to show it first and you can come along afterward. Which is why most people will sit on their portfolio work for a year or so, waiting for a movie/show/season release and then they can start publicly talking about it.
This is why shelving movies harms the people who worked on it. They cannot use that work to get their next job.
I have no familiarity with the hiring process for art jobs, so I could be completely off, but assuming they have other things in their portfolio, couldn't they use it as a potential chance to show professionalism. They could put it on the list of show they worked on either as unreleased work from x company or by title, and then be very professional about what they say if they are asked for details. I bet companies would love to see that the person can be trusted to not reveal information they shouldn't.
The problem comes from showing it. It's a talent based job and they want to know you did X thing and was good at it. It's usually not enough just to say you did a thing if you cannot wow them with it.
But the bigger issue is the possibility that you might be lying to make your resume sound better than it really is. Because again they want to know that you are skilled. also the industry is filled with random really untalented, just plain terrible people, or scammers who steal other's pics and try to get in on a production. Or they are low skill people who try to lie and fake it, or they refuse to work on their art etc. Sometimes they are crazy fanboys who just want their name attached to their fascination.
you can just hide it behind a password, you know
>No results after doing a reverse image search
Do you have anymore to share?
she kinda cute
Another?
Is it more is the perspective weird here. Like we're seeing Jodie flat face forward but the stage and chairs are at a slight angle.
Do you have any idea why the film shelved?
You can put it on a resume anyway dipshit, there are no laws stating you can't. Right?
Why did you guys make the design and cinematography like that by the way? You doing a cross over with B&B or something?
>Why the difference?
No offense to the staff or the film itself. It just came out at a time where the industry is so oversaturated with DEI content that no one is going to defend the cancellation, everyone is breathing a sigh of relief. Disney already gave us diversity fatigue almost a decade ago now with Star Wars.
If this is real and the movie is actually finished I genuinely hope someone does the right thing and leaks it. MTV, yada yada, just go to a mcdonalds in a random city and use their wifi on a burner laptop.
> just go to a mcdonalds in a random city and use their wifi on a burner laptop
The problem is more that any file someone on a post production team would have had access to is almost definitely watermarked both in obvious and inobvious ways. Cinemaphile likes to throw around the term “blacklisted” glibly, but breaking NDA like that would be one of the things to actually do it. Aside from that, the leaked would open themselves up to a whole ton of legal repercussions.
It would be such a shame if we saw some more material that of course could have only come from an external hacker targetting WB servers.
Join the club. I have 4 things I can never put on my resume.
put it on there anyway you homosexual
get a real job
Why is it that professed fans of cartoons and comics hate people who actually work on cartoons and comics? I understand that Cinemaphile shits on everything that comes out, but there is a pervasive sentiment that work in those industries is not “real work”.
because you fricking suck and produce trash
I’m not an artist, dipshit
Because it’s part of the victim narrative. The creators “hate” fans so that gives people the justification to hate creators and make up shit to be mad about
This. They're responding to vibes, nothing real, but it's real enough to turn into action and have consequence. Everything is an optics game.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crab_mentality
the ultimate consoomer mindset, they don't care for or about creators they just want constant unlimited slop, crunch and overworking isnt to be scolded as unethical or praised as dedication but just the bare minimum to get as much slop as possible, creators health, unions, morals all issues if they get in the way of constant slop.
LOL what, consoomers are the ones who shit themselves and cry(bully) over le toxic fandom criticism all the time
Work on something that's not moronic and I'll sympathize for you.
Tell us the plot
Was it terrible?
UNLUCKY
Use the footage in a fan film, put that on your resume
Let's be honest, was anyone genuinely interested in this?
Good riddance. I for one am delighted to see Hollywood literally dying because of high interest rates. Frick em. Not so fun having to actually turn a profit with your slop, is it, you fricking producer gremlins?
In all seriousness: everybody does realize this is part of Hollywood dying, right?
The high interest rates are eating Hollywood alive. It was easy to put out slop for DEI credits back when the Fed was literally handing out free money, so Hollywood got full to the brim with people who don't know how to make anything else, from directors to producers to writers to animators to actors.
But Jerome Powell has taken the punch bowl away and now Hollywood has to actually MAKE money, but they've got almost no one left who actually knows how to do that. They don't actually know how to appeal to mainstream audiences any more.
So we keep seeing flops and failures, and the only things succeeding are those things being made by people who actually know what they're doing (like Oppenheimer or Dune Part Two). But there's not enough of those guys left in Hollywood to keep the whole town afloat, so Hollywood, collectively, is circling the drain.
I wouldn't be surprised if we start seeing studios declare bankruptcy relatively soon. And they have no one to blame but themselves.
Literally what happens after that then? Will new studios come up to make better Cinemaphilentent?
Studios realize what Blumhouse already figured out as decade ago: Instead of throwing hundreds of millions of dollars on a couple of films to risk the potential of getting massive short term profits that if fails leave massive loss; Invest in a bunch of meager budget films that heavy market on certain niche fanbases that are safe bets on making decent profit.
The real killer more than anything is investors and their utter deranged need for constant market growth, even when there is no more growth to make or doing so has alienated everyone.
>Invest in a bunch of meager budget films that heavy market on certain niche fanbases that are safe bets on making decent profit.
>more niche horror movies
>probably a return to theatrical 2D since its also cheaper
LOOKS LIKE KINOS BACK ON THE MENU BOYZ
That's assuming studios and executives filled with geriatrics and nepo babies are willing to learn their lesson, accept they're wrong and are willing to invest in long term rather than short term large profits.
These aren't great odds. Not impossible but not great either. And that's not accounting the potential rise of AI over the decade which more and more is looking like the new golden calf for suits who want fast and big cash.
AI movies will not happen. Nobody wants factory farmed """"art"""" and theres already safeguards in place to not go that route thanks to the writers strike
>Nobody wants factory farmed """"art""""
The fact you think they care what people think is very naive.
>Already safeguards in place to not go that route thanks to the writers strike
WGA agreement is AI can't be used to reduce compensation of writers via rewrites, remove credit or make it so no writers need to be hired.
However part of the compromise and what studios demanded as a "must" is the flexibility of AI being used as part of the wrirting process.
So films can't just not have a writer but there really isn't anything from stopping them from getting a WGA member writer and have his whole job to just be using ChatGPT.
Mild exagerattion as the stipulation say's they can't "force the writer" but the writer "has to choose to use AI tools".
I still dont buy that they arent just gonna replace all script writing with AI chatgpt shit
I'm not a total doomer about it but at the same vein, we've already seen this exact thing starting to happen in the vidya industry that has yet to have their own big frick off strtike. My bet would be that one of the big studios will ever very lightly dip their toes in AI with every other company observing the results. If nobody cares, they push it a bit more and more to see how much they could get away with it and whatever amount of AI usage would ends with major controversy every company would step in and just barely stay right begind that line.
PBS is already using AI in their projects and teaching kids it's okay for them to use it too
its time for them to be arrested then
>Nobody wants factory farmed """"art""""
Nobody wanted 7 Transformers sequels, Eternals, and Live Disney remakes either. They don't give a frick what you want. They think they can tell you want you want.
>Nobody wanted 7 Transformers sequels, Eternals, and Live Disney remakes either.
Except they did.
source?
Box office ticket sales.
>TLH art.
Lori is the best sister BTW.
Loris good and gets alot of good porn but lucy is best sis
>deranged need for constant market growth
yes that is both the ideology of capitalism as well as cancer. infinite growth breaks the 2nd law of thermodynamics, but because le ebul combunism we gotta run the polluted planet into the plastic ground
>studios opt for governmnt handouts instead of fighting in the market with disasterous, inevitable results
>"c-capitalism is at fault QUIT MAKING FUN OF MY IDEOLOGY FAILING AGAIN!"
even when it isn't brought up you still need to defend your tribe. really need some introspection, m8
>The real killer more than anything is investors and their utter deranged need for constant market growth, even when there is no more growth to make or doing so has alienated everyone.
As a businessman this is the thing that drives me fricking nuts about modern business. Mindless self defeating self consuming drive for growth.
The capitalists don’t understand profit and loss, the ‘communists’ don’t bother to even read Marx, just a parade of blind morons and clapping seals landing 21 on the blackjack table then asking for another hit anyway.
It’s this way in art, telecom, insurance, everything. Not to mention most execs are just trying to get a short term return and don’t give a frick about the company’s future, in part because they know the company will throw them out for some reason or another within 4 years anyway.
And to those larping as communists, make sure you’ve actually read a fricking book and learned the history of the model before you go around telling everyone it’s the silver bullet antidote. Not much room for bloggers after the revolution, comrade. Pull your weight for capital or for the proletariat - pick your poison.
So yeah, good riddance to these losers who haven’t made a good return on investment once in their lives. We need some cautionary tales and burning platforms to inspire people to start doing shit that makes any sense.
Anyway, I’m off my soapbox. Shit just makes me mad.
>Mindless self defeating self consuming drive for growth.
It's still rational to a certain extent. These people aren't investors, they're gamblers. It is completely within their right and in their own interest to move their money out when there isn't growth. The problem are the people at the company who acquiesce to gamblers.
The simple solution to this would be to increase the minimum time for stock sales to qualify for capital gains tax rate to 2 years. Hell, make it 5.
>The real killer more than anything is investors and their utter deranged need for constant market growth, even when there is no more growth to make or doing so has alienated everyone.
This is the problem for business across the board. For some reason the aging boomers lost their fricking minds around 2014ish and decided that all companies must be exponentially growing and bring in higher and higher profits every single quarter. And when they don. there is a problem, things need to be shut down and employees fired.
Agreed. It’s been noticeably worse since then. Businesses don’t get to just do well nor do they get to decide to shoot for a smaller share. Everyone needs to be trying to be a little Amazon or off with their heads.
I respect your position, but disagree based on the fact that - at least speaking as a native of Freedomistan - our politicians are utterly clueless about good finance and are demonstrably super untrustworthy to handle economics or anything involving market policy - across all tenure bands too. Giving them power to regulate would make the soviet planned economies look like a dream by comparison.
Gambler is a great term. But man what a shitty devolution to fall to.
Because israelites passed a law a long time ago that says corperations have an obligation to their share holders and not the people. This is why boomers left in business are so shitty because instead of caring for the workers they only care for what is essensially the government. Now that the younger generations don't want these products or even have the money for it, instead of just accepting defeat or changing they are just doubling down.
NDA is a joke and ultimatley they can't do anything about leaks. Most the time they won't do anything reguardless of if they actually know who it is because the point is to keep secrets hidden. If it's out in the open already there isn't a point in spending money or time trying to punish the leaker cause the damage is already done. Plus if the leaker is known then they are more than likely going to be black listed anyway cause no company is going to hire someone they can't trust.
>jews
It's funny when you say it that way because then you can't blame Republicans or free market capitalists. Now you can keep saying "greed is good" and being based. That's really cool.
Bro how are you so dense? People that even mention israelites or whatever don't give a frick about republicans or democrats or any of that shit. They're above any identity politics "MUH SJWS MUH RACISTS REPUBLICANS" bullshit designed for moronic boomers.
I think everyone at this point with half a brain realized that there's no gay "sides" except people vs government. Fricking stop being so shallow.
>Says the person that has no idea how companies or NDAs work at all
That's not a law that is just business practice by and for these greedy buttholes.
Debt based economies make fools of us all. You have to keep growing to beat the debt always and forever.
The only answer is taxation and regulation and money given to workers and consumers by way of policy thar directly moves funds taxed to them or by encouraging those practices through policy.
What's happening is that businesses make investors of us all. Our retirements and 401ks are directly tied to the stock market. That means the fiduciary responsibility to make profit isn't just an evil lining of the pockets of a select few (even though that is what happens with CEO payouts) it's a "oh but think of all the little guys hinging their retirements to us". If there was more revenue to take better care of workers and seniors, this wouldn't be too much of an issue, but now we're hinging our inability to find a decent job, housing, and affordable health care, to our dreams of retiring from the theoretical job that offers a 401k.
This is the ground crumbling beneath our feet. It's the nature of the free market and corporations and, outside of violence that they will end up controlling and using against us, the best course of action is to stay informed, don't fall for the distractions, call it what it is, and support policy alternatives. And if that all continues to fall through, at least the cause of any violence that occurs becomes more clear.
>The only answer is taxation and regulation and money given to workers and consumers by way of policy thar directly moves funds taxed to them or by encouraging those practices through policy.
Sounds like government sticking their thumb into the free market and enforcing socialist ideology into American business. No one is going to stand for that and the minute anyone attempts it, undoing it and deregulating will become the official platform of every politician afterward.
That's not even what it has to be. Everyone understands that profit made by global corporations instantly leaves their communities by way of race to the bottom jobs and headquarters in another state. You'll see conservative towns with signs expressing their distaste for franchises. The non-socislist solution requires violence. That's what was funny about the Walmart episode of South Park. It wasn't a joke, that is the honest libertarian solution to local wealth extraction by outsiders; violence. So considering that's not going to be effective or acceptable it's good to also spend time finding and supporting policy solution. Again, this is because even if these continue to fail, at least you get to see who is making it fail and you get to see them try to justify it. Or they'll invent some new ESG and DEI for the public to rage about. Always fun.
>and the minute anyone attempts it, undoing it and deregulating will become the official platform of every politician afterward.
That's sort of the problem actually. It is incredibly hard to get much passed to protect workers and put a lid on giant corporation shenanigans when any attempt is instantly decried as evil communism rearing it's head in our perfect society once more, and half the political system runs on deregulating everything across the board. Even getting some measure passed at all would just be met with years of rival politicians trying their hardest to undo it as quickly as they can.
It goes beyond that because the companies are requiring complete compliance from the government and are sensitive to any potential regulations and won't let cooperation get in the way of market control. It's like how gas prices increase despite more land opening up for oil; they aren't in the business of lowering oil prices by introducing more to the market, they want pipelines to increase profit. A railroad company shows that they have new braking technology, the government looks at making that an industry standard. They refuse to cooperate, the Obama administration pusses out, train derailment, Pete Buttigieg is in place to do nothing. Democrats are free market capitalists, just ask Nancy.
Frick off commie
Frick off, Blackrock shill.
It doesn't have to be an immediate overhaul, we got here through little bits of policy and we can revisit those while creating new policies. And politicians are elected and Citizens United can be reversed. What you're mistaking for incompetence is them doing their job as they were paid to do so by their donors. That's not to say that they're secretly market experts, just that they are encouraged away from being effective here.
There’s merit to that, and I agree that pessimism isn’t a good approach.
I just think often people really undersell how difficult and tedious improving things will be.
I'm telling you it's going to be hard, gradual, and it could still lead to violence. When you see what happens to people outside the establishment parties, when you see how purposefully ineffective democrats are, I'm not sure who would ever give you the idea that improving this wouldn't be difficult and tedious.
>It's the nature of the free market
ESG whoring is not the free market.
latestage capitalism chud liberalis and conservativism is the same fascism we need anarcoms uniting the world into a stateless communist society
>Studios realize what Blumhouse already figured out as decade ago: Instead of throwing hundreds of millions of dollars on a couple of films to risk the potential of getting massive short term profits that if fails leave massive loss
And then they betrayed their own ethos and fricked up with the Exorcist.
>The real killer more than anything is investors and their utter deranged need for constant market growth
The problem is companies promising growth in order to garner investor interest. Otherwise why would they invest? What are they even investing in? Old Hollywood as a whole had a 2% margin. That's less than inflation. People can park their money in a CD account and earn more than that in interest.
Stop blaming investors or tech bros. All they've done is prop up these companies that shouldn't need any propping up. Nobody was coerced into this relationship.
I hope it means The Simpsons can finally die
Amazing how the golden age was 25 seasons ago
>but they've got almost no one left who actually knows how to do that.
It’s funny you seem to think creative people are in charge when it’s studio executives and they have always been out of touch, which is why everyone is always chasing after trends based on whatever happened to make money (see Barbie and how people now think it’s toy movies that’s hot and dozens of Hasbro shit being developed as movies) and these days projects are mostly green lighted based on excel spreadsheet projections and algorithms, not whatever creative pitches sound good. The creative people are still there, the issue has always been executives dictating things based on numbers because they’re glorified accountants.
Fink's shenanigans were always going to hit them back, and he is going to crash the entire Entertainment and Gaming industry with none of the morons at wallstreet having no way to stop it because they caused it out of Fear post Occupy Wallstreet.
they know that 2025 is when is going to happen.
that is why their entire motto for this year is "Survive"
The money is still there, the investors are still there. They're just not going to treat Hollywood like a tech startup anymore.
I've said this before abut publishing: it's easy. Not in the sense it's easy to do, but that it is a mature industry without mysteries. We don't need to guess at what expenditures will be necessary, where the revenue streams are, and what margins are necessary to get by. Hollywood is the same.
Movies and TV shows driven by DEI suck. But neither DEI itself, nor the Obama era laws that spurned it, nor the political shift since TARP have gone. The focus will shift, idiots will keep losing money, and grifters will keep grifting. But "new" Hollywood has to make real money now, and pay some fricking dividends. I'm looking at you, Netflix.
DEI is the worst thing in history.
I won't go that far, but it's pretty close. It's one of those things that hurts the people it's purportedly designed to help.
What we're suffering as consumers of pop culture? It's pretty trivial. We are whiny little b***hes. Even the fortunes being lost in the market is minor compared to the actual harm of DEI: it disincentivizes achievement and excellence in minority groups. The negatives will only reveal themselves over a long time line such that most people won't make that connection, but it's going to frick over certain minorities the same way food stamps have enslaved them to mediocrity.
Race is so irrelevant it's gag inducing to see people talk about DEI. It's 2024. Why are we going backwards? Why have we put a MAGNIFYING GLASS on every race EXCEPT whites? Isn't that what we did in the fricking 1920s? We separated everyone that was non-white pretty much and they were given their own 'stuff' and it was never good or high quality. That's literally DEI.
BIPOC is a tragedy. I don't know why that term exists, it's a form of self mandated whites only.
It's kind of unfortunate that Jodie was made against this current backdrop of DEI. Race does play a part in her story, but she's the kind of person modern progressives would label an "oreo." She feels the weight of being the model minority in the original series, yet she does not shirk that responsibility, and is rightly proud of it. Because she is smart enough to know that she and her family stands to benefit the most from her own achievements.
What are the chances the new Jodie movie was going to be about that? Eh.
We are going to experience some spectacular meltdowns as the DEI bubble deflates.
DEI grifters have gotten used to a level of authority on par with religious leaders, they are not going to let it go without a fight.
Nope kill the bank kill Hollywood
No more no risk loans
>They don't actually know how to appeal to mainstream audiences any more.
It has been almost a decade since they last tried. These days they put out self insert stories to complain about their parents not accepting them and then rage at the audience on twitter when it failed to make money, placing blame on the viewers.
>It has been almost a decade since they last tried
Says someone who doesn’t watch anything.
>It has been almost a decade since they last tried.
some say 2 decades if you were a boomer
you're old and not the demographic
that is the sad truth
>Old man yells at cloud
Most major studios were chasing the streaming dream, while also totally abandoning every other means of selling their content. Then later discovered that streaming does not make nearly as much money as home theater sales and broadcast tv.
>while also totally abandoning every other means of selling their content.
Because people were abandoning traditional platforms.
Dead Hollywood theory
Fake producers pith fake projects to fake investors based on fake metrics for fake audiences and the end product is never seen or heard about
The golden age of lost medua
Hollywood is to big to fail and it's the truth no one wants to admit. Hollywood is nothing but pure propaganda and is to big of an asset to let die. Even now in this slump while the leftist retohric starts to fall apart they aren't going to abandon it because the fact is it still does it job in pushing their agendas. Even if no one sees these movies they are still the ones who get to write history so they can go ahead and burn everything but their own so they can tell the future generations that this is what the people of the past did and enjoyed.
i bet people were saying the same thing back in the days of the roman empire. noting is too big to fail it can easily be wiped out without warning
That's a common misconception of what 'too big to fail' means.
Too big to fail means it'll cause completely unacceptable destruction if it goes down.
So many people's livelihoods and such a huge chunk of the economy is tied up with hollywood that it would have cascading effects throughout seemingly unrelated industries if it were to collapse.
good frick em the collateral will be small time
I don't think you realize the sheer magnitude of the economic catastrophe it would cause.
The current slow burn to hyperinflation we have, the 2008 crash, the dot-com crash, none of them would be even comparable.
Entertainment and media is so intertwined with the finance sector through various insurance and loan scam- sorry, 'hollywood accounting' that you'd see domino effect of funds, firms, and then banks completely failing, it would be complete and utter fricking pandemonium.
Don't get me wrong, I think the industry and everything it has it's tendrils in is on the whole, a disgusting, overgrown cancer on society that deserves nothing more than to completely collapse in on itself, like the ship-of-theseus'd failed shit-souffle that it is.
But the collateral damage would not be 'small time'.
meh i say wipe the slate clean its got nothing worth saving
>Hollywood dying
Boo hoo.
>I wouldn't be surprised if we start seeing studios declare bankruptcy relatively soon.
This is a thread about a Paramount show. That is the most at-risk of all the major Hollywood studios. Their streaming service is irrelevant and still losing money. Their linear assets depreciate in value every single day. Their theatrical slate is so dire they greenlit a Ferris Buller spinoff centred on the vallets. They have almost nothing going for them.
>The high interest rates are eating Hollywood alive.
You have yet to convince me why this is MY problem and not the rich butthole that live in that state.
We are getting to the point where the giant becomes too big to function and falls and breaks into pieces that others will buy up and start the cycle all over again
I don't even know why they bothered with this idea to begin with. Jodie is fine as a side character with an occasional episode of focus every now and then, but she can't carry a whole movie by herself.
who the frick is Jodie?
>fully finished product get shelved
I fricking despise how much of a common occurrence this is now
This has been pretty common since about 2019 or so. It's just not a lot of people outside of the industry knew a lot about it.
She is the most boring character in that show to make a spinoff of. Quinn or Sandy of the fashion club would be much better.
I agree with the general premise of what you said but daria knew exactly how much to feature certain side characters before they outstay their welcome. sandy moments are funny but her fricking voice drones way too hard to be the main one you'll hear for a 20 min episode
Oh thank god I’m glad they won’t show this piece of shit.
Viacom gotta write something off somehow
>a spin-off of a spin-off
we're really scrapping the bottom of the barrel here
Not that the idea of a "Jodie" show was a winner but spin-offs having spin-offs isn't super hard to believe.
Mario is a spin-off that then got a whole bunch of other spin-offs under it. It's really more weird that this got a spin-off 15 years after the fact. Both BnB and Daria were beloved, this could have had a chance way back then. Now is just way too little too late.
Worked for Pinky, Elmyra and the Brain.
Yeah but we’re racist so a black character getting a spin-off has to be vilified and shit on purely on principle
>Coyote vs Acme gets scrapped despite being finished
>people call for David Zaslav to get fired
>Jodie gets scrapped despite being finished
>no one calls for Bob Bakish to get fired
Why the difference?
Little to no one gave a shit.
It wouldn't be the first time.
People care about Looney Tunes, contrary to corporate belief
No one cares about Daria
No, people DO care about Daria, enough that she or Quinn or Jane or some combination of them all gets a thread here roughly once or twice a month.
The character people DON'T care about is Jodie. Nobody gives a single frick about Jodie, and everyone knows the only reason she was headlining this movie is because she's black. That let anyone with a brain realize instantly how bad the movie was going to be, and how much of a shit it was going to take all over the original show.
Any real fan of Daria should be praising God that this movie will never see the light of day.
Honestly if she didn't walk on screen at least once every couple episodes you'd almost forget she ever even existed
I would have preferred a Kevin spin-off, at least he's funny and could talk about how education failed him.
frick that, i would have preferred a mr demartino spinoff, and could have talked about how education failed him, then show a photo of kevin
>a mr demartino spinoff
I'd watch that. You could work it on a sliding timeline or a timeskip where he's been unable to retire even in his 60's because of his pitiful salary and gambling debt.
It'd be bleak and hilarious and now I'm disappointed because noone would ever make it.
No
how about frick you
I think people would be fine with a Jodie movie if it was part of a series where each character got their own feature length spin-off. And not as the first either. If she’s the third or fourth in the list, nobody would mind except the actual racists.
Jodie was a really really really boring character. I don’t care about race or gender or whatever else child’s on Cinemaphile like to b***h about, but focusing on her was boring even the few times they did it in the original series.
David already hate about what he's been doing with Warner Bros before the coyote vs acme fiasco
For Zaslav, it’s just the straw that broke the camels back. He’s been scrapping shit long beforehand, and going for Wile E seemed to be the step too far.
There were several major projects before Coyote vs Acme that got canned. The reason Coyote drew so much ire is that it actually has an interesting premise. "Ha, yeah. I bet Coyote WOULD sue Acme at some point..." It's a good enough idea that people are annoyed they won't get to see it.
Maybe that anon claiming to have worked on the movie can state otherwise, but the Jodie project was said to feature Daria, and retcon both the previous show as well as Daria's friendship with Jodie in the modern day. The Jodie project was approved prior to the release of the Beavis & Butthead projects and their great reception and while MTV actively believed nobody to care for Daria beyond nostalgia and didn't care about the property. Rumor is now, however, there is another Daria project in the early stages of production, in part, due to the reception of Beavis & Butthead and streaming data showing a revived interest in Daria. If the Jodie movie was just an average movie, but heavily changed a property they now have a vested interested in, it may not be a lack of faith in the project itself but a way to better control the direction and reception of the IP in the coming years as the new project comes to light.
>movie about a side-character from a side character spin-off series that some people watched back then
vs
Beloved characters that even your grandfather knows about
Good, we are fine with Beavis and Butthead, Daria just inspired cynical millenials
I've thought for years that a 'Daria: Is it 40 Yet?' would be a great one-off animated movie just to catch up with the cast. Having a film entirely focused on Jodie, of all characters, doesn't seem like the right choice.
they should just add all the daria characters into beavis and butthead it comes full circle
No, i think it was for the best divorcing Daria the character from B&B, specially the world around the latter.
smart daria though
Daria had a cameo in the new B&B though, she was wearing her old clothes but had her spin-off show design
Good
Who the frick asked for a Jodie spin-off
I like Daria, watched all the seasons. I would not have watched this movie. This movie existed to placate someone's ego. Jodie was in a little over half the episodes but her presence was negligible in most of them. Nobody asked for this product. Glad it got shitcanned.
Thank god, I'm sure it would have been dogshit.
Oh noooo
Did anybody ever give a shit about Jodie? Why the hell even pitch this?
not sure how they could remain true to jodie's character. i remember her has simultaneously cynical and down to earth in a poe's law kinda way. she clearly knew that her achievements would have to be despite racism and her doing extra just to succeed in life, but the writers would have to be.... well, intelligent in the way she's presented. it would have to be like a cross between the shade thrown amongst dbz abridged characters but also huey freeman caught in a random good mood being wholesome to everyone
Good. They literally made a movie about random side character from a 20 year old cartoon spinofff because she’s black
who thunk it making a spin off of the most boring character on the show just because she's black blew up in their faces KWAB
I don't understand why MTV is like this
Because it was a fake project to write off.
If it was fake how do you explain
!!!!
Some dumbass trolling used an AI prompt? Do you people fall for anything? Of course anyone who worked on this can put it on their resume, too, just because it was unreleased doesn't mean it can't go on a resume.
>Speakers are copy pasted right down to identical hash marks
>Flowers are literally copy pasted
Who?
who would have thought a spinoff of a show cancelled 30 years ago starring a side character that only had maybe a single line of dialog per episode, often not even that, was not a great decision.
Reminder that if you have any footage of the movie, it’s your moral obligation to leak it now
Again, strip the file of any identifying information, convert it and reconvert it, put it on a shitty laptop, upload it via free wifi at a random place not in your hometown.
And then give us the mega link
A random artist with the movie on their HDD is too terrified of viacom to do this, even though this is a 100% foolproof way to leak something properly. You literally cannot be tracked if you do this. But viacom is scary man. Ask yourself; would you do it?
Yes. I have leaked and help distribute sensitive info and files. Some Nintendo stuff mostly. Again, if you go buy a netbook, put the file on it, and it never connects to your home wifi you're untrackable. Better yet, buy a used netbook that someone else set up already. I leaked stuff with the exact method I already said. I went several towns over for the day and uploaded each pack in a separate mcdonalds and panera.
You're a dumbass.
This is a Daria spinoff movie where like 10 or 20 people max would have a finished copy of the film.
They'll narrow down where it was leaked from and pin point all employees in that area. Likely there will only be one or a few.
A few towns over wouldn't work, this artist would have to catch a fricking drive across the country or they'll be pinpointed.
They won't do it because all industry jobs are temporary 5 month to one year gigs. And they need to be re hirable later on down the road. Probably again from the very same studio. No one is going to jeopardize their future, which is so incredibly hard to get into in the first place, especially when the studios are very well aware how many people have the access to leak a movie.
Yes. I have nothing to lose.
I honestly would trust myself to catch all the security measures. The obvious stuff like words plastered over the screen, sure, but there are a lot of sneakier watermarks that most people wouldn’t notice these days.
This is old news. Like months old. It's been reworked back into a Daria show
Y'all think you can just leak Viacom's shit?
Notice why there are NO Viacom leaks?
>just drive a few states over and upload it with mcdonalds
lmao
Viacom ends lives.
Frick Viacom. Martyr yourself for the Daria spin-off.
>t. Bob
Go fire some more people
There's been plenty of Nick leaks over the last year. The new Fairly Odd Parents show had scripts, pitches and even an episode dumped here before it was officially announced.
Jodie was simply a very 1 dimensional, diversity hire character. Even the show acknowledged that she was. Daria herself was a total selfish b***h who preached and lectured people, A jodie spin off would simply be that, but on steroids. Hard pass. Daria was only great because of the other characters.
If anything, I would love to see a fashion club spin off. Those girls had more personality and were more fun to watch with their vapid, and b***hy comments.
She wasn't a diversity hire, she was someone who would call out diversity hires. Sure, Daria was also smart and perfect, but her deadpan pessimism made her a character. Jodie was a straightman to the antics of others with an added little miss perfect that you'd feel sorry for at times. When she was assertive, she was always in the right. Like when she got the class free stuff from the mall because their class trip was just making them unknowing subject in market research, she got be shrewd, but is still only just reacting. Not much to write around.
I liked Jodie because she was one of the few students at the high school that didn't fall victim to Daria's "smarter than thou" bratty attitude whenever they interacted. She was just off doing her own thing.
i don't because she was boring
The one episode where they butted heads because Jodie used her dad's name to get a loan or something.
>taps the sign
I'd rather the completed Jodie movie came out and baffled everyone for a moment before they moved on instead of tax write-offs for completed projects still being a thing.
Based, another woke project bites the dust. Too bad we couldn't see it fail on its own but now at least i have hope that suits are waking up to the reality of go woke go broke
you are a moron
>Worst character is no longer frontlining a revival
Nature is healing
incel pissbaby nazi chuds are the ultimate enemy of art....
But enough about yourself.
nah thats israelites
How people like Daria today is the most annoying possible way so new content for anything connected to her getting ditched is relieving.
Is the B&BH reboot still airing?
Yes
good
Who asked for this?
leftist homosexuals just because she's black
>RWBY dies
>Jodie dies
Crazy week
Also Backyardians and Toriyama
And nothing of value was lost.
>Nothing beats the optimistic mind of a creator handed the baton eh Daria?
>RESTORES my faith in PROJECTS Jane...
>Umm, what?
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Had me thinking it was a leak for a minute there, you sneaky bastard.
This is better, though.
Dont be a slacker.
Sad
What if Daria became a National Socialist
What if Daria found the entrance to one of the tunnels under the local synagogue and just starts murdering everyone inside
I don't even remember the black girl.