Cool, but nobody gives a shit what you think. They're acknowledged classics of the genre. Some homosexual calling the director "C-tier" is just a meaningless fart of an opinion.
It’s more that streaming services are actively killing the industry but these filmmakers keep cucking to them. Scorsese complained about capeshit taking over theaters but then made a Netflix movie. It’s just ridiculous
>streaming services are killing the industry
What's killing the industry is studios doing nothing but capeshit ad nauseum then b***hing about not getting free money printed from their trash "blockbusters" they burn money on because the don't understand the mass majority of their customers have cable-tier internet connections on portable handheld devices.
Streaming services are killing the industry by not having any quality control and having used investor cash for a decade to fund anything they could get their hands on just to feed into their advertising to boost growth numbers.
Look up what happened when they gave Carl Erik Rinsch 50 million to make some shitty sci-fi series. There was absolutely no control at all, quality or otherwise. They just paid the money because other services had shown interest and wanted to poach it.
Film is like a sport, you won't see pro athletes competing after 30-35. In film you have until 50, then you're toast. Very rarely, someone like Scorsese can go up to 65. Someone like Altman can go up to 80.
I liked Cry Macho. He still has one good film in him. His fomography is golden. I watched Tightrope, Breezy and Thunderbolt and Lightfoot. He's definitely in the conversation of one of the greatest directors by virtue of how consistently kino his movies are. They have sincerity and SOVL, not pretentious slop
If you haven't watched it yet I highly recommend Bird. It's so great it became a formula for every music biopic since. Plus the soundtrack is was a passion project. They used state of the art audio restoration and remixing of whatever surviving audio recordings that he supervised. Really great.
Se7en would be kino if not for the contrived schlock ending.
3 months ago
Anonymous
I simply utilize my superior willpower to not allow the last 5 minutes to ruin it for me. But that's just me tho...
3 months ago
Anonymous
>OH GOD OH NO OH GOD
How Fincher saw that acting and didn't think it was horrible and cut it out shows he never had it in him to make true kino. Him cucking out to Netflix is not surprising.
3 months ago
Anonymous
Hahahaha, I know I know.
I just really like the part where Spacey says "Detectiiiiiive!!!!!"
3 months ago
Anonymous
Just put an actual actor instead of Brad Pitt and don't have that ending and the movie is a stone cold classic. That ending was a cop out so people don't think about John Doe's actions as it pertains to the society they live in. They had him kill Tracy so people forget what he said in the patrol car, about degeneracy and decadence being virtues in the modern Sodom and Gomorrah that is America.
3 months ago
Anonymous
>actual actor
Like who? How is pitt not an 'actual' actor?
Zodiac, The Social Network, Seven and The Game are great. And he has several other really good movies as well. Most directors can only hope to have one good or great movie. Making kino is fricking hard. To do it a handful of times is a god-tier achievment. What have you done in life except play vidya and fap to gay porn?
this, seven is tryhard nonsense, gone girl is incel fantasy to justify their misogyny and i havent seen social network, so it probably aint worth seeing
I rated his new gay hitman movie a 5/10 on Letterboxed. Have no clue why people loved that movie. Fincher has been done for a while now. Nail in the coffin was when Netflix woudn't greenlight s3 of Mindhunter, but they will pay for some mediocre hitman movie. KEK.
i don't really believe anything that's stated about mindhunter
netflix has greenlit so much garbage, but you're telling me they couldn't do another season of mindhunter? both americans and international audiences love true crime
and sure, s2 was bad, but a lot of shows have had worse seasons
i just don't buy it
>I rated his new gay hitman movie a 5/10 on Letterboxed.
I'm sure that drop of piss in a sea of shit reviews on a meme website will make a real difference, anon. Thanks for informing us.
It’s more that streaming services are actively killing the industry but these filmmakers keep cucking to them. Scorsese complained about capeshit taking over theaters but then made a Netflix movie. It’s just ridiculous
Had to look it up because homosexual OP does not give links >https://www.worldofreel.com/blog/2024/1/31/rfqqcqvta4vo9ix0c0ms2qa0dldqbt >As you know, Cannes does not screen Netflix films, at least they haven’t since 2017 (“The Meyerowitz Stories” and “Okja”) which was the first and last time the streamer went on the Croisette. I was there, at screenings for both of those films, and when the Netflix logo appeared before the film began, a loud chorus of boos could be heard from the audience.
I'm not a huge Netflix guy either but what pretentious homosexuals.
Cannes are the shitposters of the festival circuit. I think it's all the booze. They are hardly pretentious. They also praise great lowbrow shit all the time. It's just banter driven by the unleashed id.
not really, those are the same homosexuals that probably cheer for some indie french Black person movie about how hard it is to be a troon
they have no actual tangible reason to hate netflix like normal people do
NOOOOO IS THAT PEOPLE WATCHING SLOP IN THE COMFORT OF THEIR OWN HOMES??? WE CANNOT ACCEPT THIS. WE MUST FORCE THE WAGEKEKS TO GO TO THEIR SHITTY LOCAL THEATERS AFTER A LONG DAY OF WORK AND SIT IN A DARK ROOM WITH PEOPLE ON THEIR PHONES.
Mank was practically incompetent.
The Killer was better, but still not very good. I don't care that it wasn't an action film or whatever, the issue is that it's Fincher just doing the barest of minimums. There's a slick aesthetic to it, but it's not very refined or impressive, that one fight scene looked fricking terrible with digital shaking too. It has an interesting theme about the main character breaking his own rules while pretending that he does not, and becoming the "normie" but that's basically all characterization he gets. It would be fine if either the film had cool secondary characters, but they're uninteresting too. And again, because he is doing the bare minimum direction wise, visually, the film doesn't even have a particularly great atmosphere, like say Limits of Control from Jarmush, which is a movie that is not very liked (and not many even saw it) but I personally find it underrated despite it sharing similar lack of characterization AND it has Tilda Swinton too. But with Jarmush there was an absolutely fantastic atmosphere in the film, and there were no attempts in characterization, that was the point. The Killer is just half-baked.
>It has an interesting theme about the main character breaking his own rules while pretending that he does not, and becoming the "normie" but that's basically all characterization he gets.
The water coming out of a state-of-the-art sewage treatment plant is less filtered than you, little buddy. Stick to capeshit.
>trying to criticize The Killer >mentions Jarmusch >doesn't mention Ghost Dog >doesn't mention Ghost Dog and The Killer's obvious inspiration, Le Samouraï, and critique it correctly
ngmi
I mention the film most similar to The Killer. Limits of Control is similarly minimal in characterization and follows a very similar structure of the main character slowly going through different connections, assassinating people, and getting to the main guy. Basically both stories are exceedingly linear. Ghost Dog is more of a conventional film with sentimental relationships, a more layered storyline. Only similarity is that Ghost Dog also has his personal "code", but his code is moral, while in Fincher's film he is attempting to be a complete nihilist. Only bit of sentimentality in the film is his girlfriend, she is a part of that overarching theme of him eventually abandoning his rules, because he basically did a fatal mistake of striking a relationship some time before, and that bit him in the ass.
I could've compared the film to Le Samourai, the obvious inspiration. The reasons Le Samourai works is because the sentimental element resurfaces constantly. The point there was to see a human behind a person trying to desperately hide that element. The Killer doesn't do it particularly well because even tho his girlfriend being hurt was partially a motivation for him, that element does not resurface until the very end of the film.
But I found the comparison to The Limits of Control more interesting, because I don't actually NEED characterization for the film to be enjoyable. My point was that the movie fails in both being highly minimal, because it attempts characterization while lacking in the atmosphere, while also not succeeding in being something more character oriented because the characterization is very minimal. His relationship with the girlfriend is abandoned and the rest of the film is just constantly repeating the idea that "wow he is breaking his own rules cause shit went awry". The film still has good elements in it, it still is (mostly) decently directed, but in the end it feels way too derivative and brief to a fault.
The reason Limits of Control and Le Samurai (and Driver and Drive) work is because of ONE reason .. and that is they are HIGHLY STYLIZED. The "interest" comes from seeing the high level of stylization which matches the mental landscape of the main character. It resonates.
In The Killer everything is presented like a generic "cool movie" of current year. There's polish, "smug" narration, choregraphed brawling, it's call bland generic and trite. No statement is made, it's just a boring yarn.
3 months ago
Anonymous
I mention that too. I started from saying that Fincher is doing the bare minimum from the stylistic standpoint. I wouldn't say the film is completely lacking in aesthetic, but it's very mild. There's typical "slick expensive car" look to it that Fincher does, but there's no bite. And it could've worked if the film wasn't attempting to be super minimal. It's just inconsistent and half baked in every regard.
The narration is taken directly from the visual novel. I found it obvious that it's meant to be a bit ironic, like a parody of sorts. He says something then fails to live up to that. But this element was not enough to carry the film.
>some glacial euroshlock gets shown in Cannes where random current year french prostitute shows titty and bush and the main guy that is 50 years her senior (and a writer) is going through a crisis because he's got the bad case of sads >SEVENTY FIVE HOUR STANDING OVATION
Dudes a moron, 1. How can you be the boss of a town it's called being a mayor and 2. Netflix has made some 10/10 movies, pic related (inb4 they just sold the rights to Netflix, so? just like other studios do?)
he makes movies for teenagers
it's very hard to enjoy them if you're past 20, impossible to if you're over 30
assuming, of course, one has a normal development
I'm pretty sure Bob Ringwood hates his guts. Fincher loves to cry and play victim over his experience making Alien 3 but he was said to be a massive butthole on the set too.
what i don't get is, why doesn't netflix release their big movies worldwide for like 30 days? how the frick would a 30 day release hurt them? if anything, the wide release would give their movies some much needed prestige. i don't know anyone who signed for netflix to watch the irishman or the killer kek
i think their reasoning is that it makes netflix more prestigious because you don't need to go to the cinema to watch a kino cinema movie anymore
but obviously it's moronic, normies don't distinguish movies based off of quality, if they see a movie on netflix it's a netflix movie and some complete trash that's in cinemas will make them think >well, i guess netflix is worth it, they got those cinema movies too don't they
I honestly couldn't even finish his last movie on netflix
I watched about 15 minutes before I got bored and started playing vidya.
>Thierry Fremaux
>look this guy up on wikipedia
>his biography could fit on a fricking napkin
>zoomers wasting valuable bits and bytes on the internet to tell you they have the attention span of a fly on a fresh mound of shit
lol that there are assblasted losers who get defensive when people shit on a C-tier director like fincher
>C-tier
>Se7en
>Fight Club
>Zodiac
>how to tell someone you're a moron without outrightly saying you're a moron
Bravo, anon.
not that anon, but i don't like any of those movies
in fact i don't think i've enjoyed a single fincher movie except maybe gone girl
Cool, but nobody gives a shit what you think. They're acknowledged classics of the genre. Some homosexual calling the director "C-tier" is just a meaningless fart of an opinion.
>but i don't like any of those movies
You're allowed to have your own taste but that seems like you're being a contrarian.
have not seen a single netflix production in my life tbh
I liked the show Lilyhammer
>streaming services are killing the industry
What's killing the industry is studios doing nothing but capeshit ad nauseum then b***hing about not getting free money printed from their trash "blockbusters" they burn money on because the don't understand the mass majority of their customers have cable-tier internet connections on portable handheld devices.
Streaming services are killing the industry by not having any quality control and having used investor cash for a decade to fund anything they could get their hands on just to feed into their advertising to boost growth numbers.
Look up what happened when they gave Carl Erik Rinsch 50 million to make some shitty sci-fi series. There was absolutely no control at all, quality or otherwise. They just paid the money because other services had shown interest and wanted to poach it.
same
I've never even seen a movie in my life, and I'm 37.
He's right but all directors from Gen X are past their prime and on the way down right now. Just the cycle.
Noe, Glazer, PTA. Some of the others ha e turned to shit tho.
Film is like a sport, you won't see pro athletes competing after 30-35. In film you have until 50, then you're toast. Very rarely, someone like Scorsese can go up to 65. Someone like Altman can go up to 80.
Clint is in his 90s. Sure Cry Macho sucked but Richard israeliteell was great.
I liked Cry Macho. He still has one good film in him. His fomography is golden. I watched Tightrope, Breezy and Thunderbolt and Lightfoot. He's definitely in the conversation of one of the greatest directors by virtue of how consistently kino his movies are. They have sincerity and SOVL, not pretentious slop
>Thunderbolt and Lightfoot
Cimino made this, you fricking moron.
If you haven't watched it yet I highly recommend Bird. It's so great it became a formula for every music biopic since. Plus the soundtrack is was a passion project. They used state of the art audio restoration and remixing of whatever surviving audio recordings that he supervised. Really great.
OUATIH was Tarantino's best movie
tarantino hasn't made a good movie in the 21st century
david luncher
Mr.fincher hasn't made a good film since gone girl (one decade)
He has never made a good film except Zodiac.
Zodiac, Gone Girl and Social Network are good. Seven I like, but might be due to nostalgia reasons. The rest aren't worth saving.
Too cool for Fight Club, anon?
>Gone Girl
that shit flick was hot GARBAGE
Gotta be bait
You just lost
Zodiac is his only great movie.
Se7en is kino based on the opening credits alone. A great flick that has unfortunately been outshone by the meme.
Se7en would be kino if not for the contrived schlock ending.
I simply utilize my superior willpower to not allow the last 5 minutes to ruin it for me. But that's just me tho...
>OH GOD OH NO OH GOD
How Fincher saw that acting and didn't think it was horrible and cut it out shows he never had it in him to make true kino. Him cucking out to Netflix is not surprising.
Hahahaha, I know I know.
I just really like the part where Spacey says "Detectiiiiiive!!!!!"
Just put an actual actor instead of Brad Pitt and don't have that ending and the movie is a stone cold classic. That ending was a cop out so people don't think about John Doe's actions as it pertains to the society they live in. They had him kill Tracy so people forget what he said in the patrol car, about degeneracy and decadence being virtues in the modern Sodom and Gomorrah that is America.
>actual actor
Like who? How is pitt not an 'actual' actor?
Zodiac, The Social Network, Seven and The Game are great. And he has several other really good movies as well. Most directors can only hope to have one good or great movie. Making kino is fricking hard. To do it a handful of times is a god-tier achievment. What have you done in life except play vidya and fap to gay porn?
The game is terrible
that movie makes just no sense to me - what an absolut stupid premise.
but style wise it s a typical classic fincher movie
Simply ridiculous
this, seven is tryhard nonsense, gone girl is incel fantasy to justify their misogyny and i havent seen social network, so it probably aint worth seeing
I rated his new gay hitman movie a 5/10 on Letterboxed. Have no clue why people loved that movie. Fincher has been done for a while now. Nail in the coffin was when Netflix woudn't greenlight s3 of Mindhunter, but they will pay for some mediocre hitman movie. KEK.
i don't really believe anything that's stated about mindhunter
netflix has greenlit so much garbage, but you're telling me they couldn't do another season of mindhunter? both americans and international audiences love true crime
and sure, s2 was bad, but a lot of shows have had worse seasons
i just don't buy it
Subscribers are already captive. Killing off fresh indies with commercial vibes in theaters is next.
>I rated his new gay hitman movie a 5/10 on Letterboxed.
I'm sure that drop of piss in a sea of shit reviews on a meme website will make a real difference, anon. Thanks for informing us.
he's right
acclaimed directors that have made movies for netflix
scorsese - the irishman
cuaron - roma
fincher - mank, the killer
do any of these movies are on the same level as their other work? nope.
It’s more that streaming services are actively killing the industry but these filmmakers keep cucking to them. Scorsese complained about capeshit taking over theaters but then made a Netflix movie. It’s just ridiculous
I hate to break it to ya, but Scorsese has made a LOT worse movies than the Irishman...
>do any of these movies are on the same level
moron
Ha Ha! Yes!!
Had to look it up because homosexual OP does not give links
>https://www.worldofreel.com/blog/2024/1/31/rfqqcqvta4vo9ix0c0ms2qa0dldqbt
>As you know, Cannes does not screen Netflix films, at least they haven’t since 2017 (“The Meyerowitz Stories” and “Okja”) which was the first and last time the streamer went on the Croisette. I was there, at screenings for both of those films, and when the Netflix logo appeared before the film began, a loud chorus of boos could be heard from the audience.
I'm not a huge Netflix guy either but what pretentious homosexuals.
>when the Netflix logo appeared before the film began, a loud chorus of boos could be heard from the audience
*inhales* B A S E D
Back then, sure. Their gatekeeping was the right choice though.
Cannes are the shitposters of the festival circuit. I think it's all the booze. They are hardly pretentious. They also praise great lowbrow shit all the time. It's just banter driven by the unleashed id.
To be fair Okja was not putting their best foot forward.
The first half of Okja was kinda comfy, but by the second half it devolves into completely unsubtle misery porn
>when the Netflix logo appeared before the film began, a loud chorus of boos could be heard from the audience.
Based patrician audience
not really, those are the same homosexuals that probably cheer for some indie french Black person movie about how hard it is to be a troon
they have no actual tangible reason to hate netflix like normal people do
>indie french Black person movie about how hard it is to be a troon
That's basically I Can't Sleep by Claire Denis and that movie is kino.
>they see a giant N appear on screen
>they start seething
Uhhhh based??
NOOOOO IS THAT PEOPLE WATCHING SLOP IN THE COMFORT OF THEIR OWN HOMES??? WE CANNOT ACCEPT THIS. WE MUST FORCE THE WAGEKEKS TO GO TO THEIR SHITTY LOCAL THEATERS AFTER A LONG DAY OF WORK AND SIT IN A DARK ROOM WITH PEOPLE ON THEIR PHONES.
Hey, David. You're not on the same level, my man.
No one cares what europoors think
Mank was practically incompetent.
The Killer was better, but still not very good. I don't care that it wasn't an action film or whatever, the issue is that it's Fincher just doing the barest of minimums. There's a slick aesthetic to it, but it's not very refined or impressive, that one fight scene looked fricking terrible with digital shaking too. It has an interesting theme about the main character breaking his own rules while pretending that he does not, and becoming the "normie" but that's basically all characterization he gets. It would be fine if either the film had cool secondary characters, but they're uninteresting too. And again, because he is doing the bare minimum direction wise, visually, the film doesn't even have a particularly great atmosphere, like say Limits of Control from Jarmush, which is a movie that is not very liked (and not many even saw it) but I personally find it underrated despite it sharing similar lack of characterization AND it has Tilda Swinton too. But with Jarmush there was an absolutely fantastic atmosphere in the film, and there were no attempts in characterization, that was the point. The Killer is just half-baked.
>It has an interesting theme about the main character breaking his own rules while pretending that he does not, and becoming the "normie" but that's basically all characterization he gets.
The water coming out of a state-of-the-art sewage treatment plant is less filtered than you, little buddy. Stick to capeshit.
My favorite movies would probably filter your ass midwit.
>trying to criticize The Killer
>mentions Jarmusch
>doesn't mention Ghost Dog
>doesn't mention Ghost Dog and The Killer's obvious inspiration, Le Samouraï, and critique it correctly
ngmi
I mention the film most similar to The Killer. Limits of Control is similarly minimal in characterization and follows a very similar structure of the main character slowly going through different connections, assassinating people, and getting to the main guy. Basically both stories are exceedingly linear. Ghost Dog is more of a conventional film with sentimental relationships, a more layered storyline. Only similarity is that Ghost Dog also has his personal "code", but his code is moral, while in Fincher's film he is attempting to be a complete nihilist. Only bit of sentimentality in the film is his girlfriend, she is a part of that overarching theme of him eventually abandoning his rules, because he basically did a fatal mistake of striking a relationship some time before, and that bit him in the ass.
I could've compared the film to Le Samourai, the obvious inspiration. The reasons Le Samourai works is because the sentimental element resurfaces constantly. The point there was to see a human behind a person trying to desperately hide that element. The Killer doesn't do it particularly well because even tho his girlfriend being hurt was partially a motivation for him, that element does not resurface until the very end of the film.
But I found the comparison to The Limits of Control more interesting, because I don't actually NEED characterization for the film to be enjoyable. My point was that the movie fails in both being highly minimal, because it attempts characterization while lacking in the atmosphere, while also not succeeding in being something more character oriented because the characterization is very minimal. His relationship with the girlfriend is abandoned and the rest of the film is just constantly repeating the idea that "wow he is breaking his own rules cause shit went awry". The film still has good elements in it, it still is (mostly) decently directed, but in the end it feels way too derivative and brief to a fault.
The reason Limits of Control and Le Samurai (and Driver and Drive) work is because of ONE reason .. and that is they are HIGHLY STYLIZED. The "interest" comes from seeing the high level of stylization which matches the mental landscape of the main character. It resonates.
In The Killer everything is presented like a generic "cool movie" of current year. There's polish, "smug" narration, choregraphed brawling, it's call bland generic and trite. No statement is made, it's just a boring yarn.
I mention that too. I started from saying that Fincher is doing the bare minimum from the stylistic standpoint. I wouldn't say the film is completely lacking in aesthetic, but it's very mild. There's typical "slick expensive car" look to it that Fincher does, but there's no bite. And it could've worked if the film wasn't attempting to be super minimal. It's just inconsistent and half baked in every regard.
The narration is taken directly from the visual novel. I found it obvious that it's meant to be a bit ironic, like a parody of sorts. He says something then fails to live up to that. But this element was not enough to carry the film.
The Killer was complete slop
had a perfectly good show in Mindhunter and just abandoned it.
>cannes boss
sounds like some corrupt euro version of weinstein that needs the mohn treatment.
>is not anymore "on the same level"
Did they get some ESL pajeet to write this article?
Is he wrong? Making direct to Netflix content definitely seems like a step down for someone who used to be seen as one of the best living directors.
I've never watched anything made by Netflix and never will.
>some glacial euroshlock gets shown in Cannes where random current year french prostitute shows titty and bush and the main guy that is 50 years her senior (and a writer) is going through a crisis because he's got the bad case of sads
>SEVENTY FIVE HOUR STANDING OVATION
Dudes a moron, 1. How can you be the boss of a town it's called being a mayor and 2. Netflix has made some 10/10 movies, pic related (inb4 they just sold the rights to Netflix, so? just like other studios do?)
Don't forget Blonde.
>Not anymore "on the same level"
Someone got paid to write that?
fincher is an overrated homosexual but so is that cannes douchebag. the whole thing is just a competition in pretentiousness
I was big into Fincher until I hit my 30s. I like Seven, Zodiac and the Alien 3 extended cut a lot but that's it. The man's a complete tool as well.
>Alien 3 extended cut
jfc
Frick off, Cameron.
Nearly all of his films have some kind of moronic shit in them towards the end. He's overrated as frick and he's a complete dickhead to boot.
he makes movies for teenagers
it's very hard to enjoy them if you're past 20, impossible to if you're over 30
assuming, of course, one has a normal development
Well he did start off with making music videos.
I'm pretty sure Bob Ringwood hates his guts. Fincher loves to cry and play victim over his experience making Alien 3 but he was said to be a massive butthole on the set too.
what i don't get is, why doesn't netflix release their big movies worldwide for like 30 days? how the frick would a 30 day release hurt them? if anything, the wide release would give their movies some much needed prestige. i don't know anyone who signed for netflix to watch the irishman or the killer kek
i think their reasoning is that it makes netflix more prestigious because you don't need to go to the cinema to watch a kino cinema movie anymore
but obviously it's moronic, normies don't distinguish movies based off of quality, if they see a movie on netflix it's a netflix movie and some complete trash that's in cinemas will make them think
>well, i guess netflix is worth it, they got those cinema movies too don't they