True, just look at Zorro and Tarzan estates, they send C&Ds to anyone that dares to use their now public IPs under the excuse that you're using their trademarked version and if you don't stop then you get sued to death until hit the streets because you can't pay all the legal fees, trademark law needs a huge reform to dissuade those corporations from using frivolous lawsuit against your avg Joe
>they send C&Ds to anyone that dares to use their now public IPs under the excuse that you're using their trademarked version and if you don't stop then you get sued to death until hit the streets because you can't pay all the legal fee
nobody likes Zorro or Tarzan
there's not some shitty early 20th century pulp fiction renaissance waiting to happen when copyright is reformed, they're just unpopular
>you get sued to death until hit the streets
name one company that went out of business as a result of any Zorro-based lawsuits that wasn't trying to use works that are still under copyright, never mind trademark
I hate how true this is. Disney themselves said their Tarzan animated film didn't really perform as greatly as they wanted. And Zorro? Zorro's last success is the first Banderas movie which if you analyze did NOT do that well at the box office. And the sequel's drop off was notable. Tarzan and Zorro aren't popular anymore. And one big reason they aren't popular is copyright lasts too long. By the time their first copyright expired so much time has passed and the culture and society has changed so much they don't care about such obsolete characters. The stories of a wild primitive jungle man and some old Californian man who only uses swords to fight boring soldiers with guns is kind of meh. They both are super obsolete.
And when they try to make them relevant like having modern technology it reeks of trying hard and just shitty all around or out of place like that Tarzan movie about Tarzan encountering a special meteor from outer space or that Zorro cartoon about Zorro inexplicably being in a super advanced city like something out of Batman Beyond. That is shit. Once a character is way too fricking old people lose interest in them. That's why no one for example cares about old stuff like King Arthur or Three Musketeers anymore.
>That's why no one for example cares about old stuff like King Arthur or Three Musketeers anymore.
I agree with the sentiment, but those aren't the best examples. New stuff about Three Musketeers and King Arthur comes out pretty often.
Puss in Boots is based on the fairy tale combined with references to Banderas' Zorro. He's not explicitly Zorro
Roronoa Zoro barely shares anything with Zorro other than being good with swords.
Disney's Tarzan was a joint venture by Disney AND ERB estate. That's pretty much as official as it gets.
George is a parody of Tarzan
>You can't name your comic Superman
The book will be named Sun Wukong's Adventure in America. And Superman will be getting his ass pound into the pavement.
does this apply to toy rights too?
public domain works still can't use a lot of their mythos, so companies will likely bank of that: lots of robins, batgirls, villains spin offs.
The first Superman cartoons and I think the radio show are already public domain and you can make comics out of that material. People want DC's Superman, not Superman unattached to DC's continuity.
That doesn't really affect DC as much as you think it does. In fact there's like a bunch of DC characters whose first appearances (and some other appearances) are PD but most people don't realize it
It's not the first 19, it's the issues that were published in 1938, since in 2034 stuff from 1938 goes PD if it hasn't already. So that just means Action Comics #1-8, plus possibly anything that is already confirmed to be public domain
Here's what DC will do >*sues you because you had Superman fly* >*sues you because you gave Batman black gloves*
>>*sues you because you had Superman fly*
This is debatable because it depends on when Superman actually flew
Some people are claiming it was in the comics (even though it may have been an artist mistake) and others claim it was the Fleischer cartoons, which are PD
People keep saying shit like this, but every classic Disney movie was based on something in public domain yet the Disney versions are the only versions anyone gives a frick about.
It's based on journey to west. Even when Z turn it into a space opera it still has zero narrative connection to Superman. Goku never saved a stranger life or had a work life balance.
I don't see any similarities to star wars and the superficial Superman origin was retcon 30 years after Z. Even then planet Vegeta didn't have a global warming allegory like Krypton and Bardock was no Jor-El.
No, it just drew inspiration from some ideas. Just like Superman is inspired by Hercules and Achilles.
It's based on journey to west. Even when Z turn it into a space opera it still has zero narrative connection to Superman. Goku never saved a stranger life or had a work life balance.
Because Japanese publishers have a better relationship with their fan base by regularly establishing guidelines on what kind of fan works you're allowed to produce and sell, leading to a strong and healthy doujinshi scene.
Puss in Boots is based on the fairy tale combined with references to Banderas' Zorro. He's not explicitly Zorro
Roronoa Zoro barely shares anything with Zorro other than being good with swords.
Disney's Tarzan was a joint venture by Disney AND ERB estate. That's pretty much as official as it gets.
George is a parody of Tarzan
I was mostly joking but Puss does the signature Zorro mark and both Puss and Zoro are bounty hunters with a bounty like the original Zorro.
That's true but that wouldn't be covered by trademark/copyright laws.
He isn't doing a "Z"
His name is Puss in Boots, not Zorro or Don Diego de la Vega or Alejandro Murrieta
They can't really go after Dreamworks for that because this could be covered as either parody or a reference to things already in public domain (carving a "Z" is done in the public domain stories)
I wonder how parody works. Can I sell a serious story with Superman cast but I call it "Supaman"? Do I need to slightly change the design and make a few jokes to be safe?
That's true but that wouldn't be covered by trademark/copyright laws.
He isn't doing a "Z"
His name is Puss in Boots, not Zorro or Don Diego de la Vega or Alejandro Murrieta
They can't really go after Dreamworks for that because this could be covered as either parody or a reference to things already in public domain (carving a "Z" is done in the public domain stories)
Bold of you to think DC comics will survive until then when they publish a bunch of shitty comics nobody buys and their movies lose millions of dollars.
they will die before that kek. what kind of optimism is that? also doujin has never killed the og series. that shit wont kill dc. its just gonna fall apart because they are just shit
they still own the trademark to superman and bats, and those never expire.
True, just look at Zorro and Tarzan estates, they send C&Ds to anyone that dares to use their now public IPs under the excuse that you're using their trademarked version and if you don't stop then you get sued to death until hit the streets because you can't pay all the legal fees, trademark law needs a huge reform to dissuade those corporations from using frivolous lawsuit against your avg Joe
>trademark law needs a huge reform to dissuade those corporations from using frivolous lawsuit against your avg Joe
Stop being antisemitic.
>they send C&Ds to anyone that dares to use their now public IPs under the excuse that you're using their trademarked version and if you don't stop then you get sued to death until hit the streets because you can't pay all the legal fee
nobody likes Zorro or Tarzan
there's not some shitty early 20th century pulp fiction renaissance waiting to happen when copyright is reformed, they're just unpopular
>you get sued to death until hit the streets
name one company that went out of business as a result of any Zorro-based lawsuits that wasn't trying to use works that are still under copyright, never mind trademark
I hate how true this is. Disney themselves said their Tarzan animated film didn't really perform as greatly as they wanted. And Zorro? Zorro's last success is the first Banderas movie which if you analyze did NOT do that well at the box office. And the sequel's drop off was notable. Tarzan and Zorro aren't popular anymore. And one big reason they aren't popular is copyright lasts too long. By the time their first copyright expired so much time has passed and the culture and society has changed so much they don't care about such obsolete characters. The stories of a wild primitive jungle man and some old Californian man who only uses swords to fight boring soldiers with guns is kind of meh. They both are super obsolete.
And when they try to make them relevant like having modern technology it reeks of trying hard and just shitty all around or out of place like that Tarzan movie about Tarzan encountering a special meteor from outer space or that Zorro cartoon about Zorro inexplicably being in a super advanced city like something out of Batman Beyond. That is shit. Once a character is way too fricking old people lose interest in them. That's why no one for example cares about old stuff like King Arthur or Three Musketeers anymore.
Yes people don't care about old stuff that's why no one watched the Sherlock Holmes movies and shows
Oh wait
The same thing will happen to DC and Marvel characters eventually.
>That's why no one for example cares about old stuff like King Arthur or Three Musketeers anymore.
I agree with the sentiment, but those aren't the best examples. New stuff about Three Musketeers and King Arthur comes out pretty often.
>just look at Zorro and Tarzan estates, they send C&Ds to anyone that dares to use their now public IPs
Bro ...
Puss in Boots is based on the fairy tale combined with references to Banderas' Zorro. He's not explicitly Zorro
Roronoa Zoro barely shares anything with Zorro other than being good with swords.
Disney's Tarzan was a joint venture by Disney AND ERB estate. That's pretty much as official as it gets.
George is a parody of Tarzan
>C&Ds
that is what you use when you know the law is not on your side
I thought that was the Arthur Conan Doyle estate
>You can't name your comic Superman
The book will be named Sun Wukong's Adventure in America. And Superman will be getting his ass pound into the pavement.
Are you moronic? Trademarks are for logos only.
you are extremely ignorant
>as he is depicted in Action Comics #1
So nothing from the mythology or history that people actually like about him, got it.
does this apply to toy rights too?
public domain works still can't use a lot of their mythos, so companies will likely bank of that: lots of robins, batgirls, villains spin offs.
Here's what DC will do
>*sues you because you had Superman fly*
>*sues you because you gave Batman black gloves*
Another idiot who doesn't understand copyright.
Flight is an idea. Ideas are not protected by copyright. DC doesn't own flight.
The first Superman cartoons and I think the radio show are already public domain and you can make comics out of that material. People want DC's Superman, not Superman unattached to DC's continuity.
>as he is depicted in action comics #1
i think by 2034 we get the first 19 issues of Action Comics. not just #1
That doesn't really affect DC as much as you think it does. In fact there's like a bunch of DC characters whose first appearances (and some other appearances) are PD but most people don't realize it
It's not the first 19, it's the issues that were published in 1938, since in 2034 stuff from 1938 goes PD if it hasn't already. So that just means Action Comics #1-8, plus possibly anything that is already confirmed to be public domain
>>*sues you because you had Superman fly*
This is debatable because it depends on when Superman actually flew
Some people are claiming it was in the comics (even though it may have been an artist mistake) and others claim it was the Fleischer cartoons, which are PD
People keep saying shit like this, but every classic Disney movie was based on something in public domain yet the Disney versions are the only versions anyone gives a frick about.
Watch them extend the copyright laws indefinitely, & watch people do nothing to stop them.
It's too late for that
thatd be based. i dont want commies messing with my fav characters
We won't be around in the 2030s.
Best live your life now, because we haven't got long.
What's stoping Superman fan from making fan comics now? Dragonball have a ton of content and Superman have nothing
Manga fans are much more homosexual what if scenario theorist meanwhile comics fan kill themselves just trying to get into a specific character.
What?
Dragon Ball is a Superman fan comic.
It's based on journey to west. Even when Z turn it into a space opera it still has zero narrative connection to Superman. Goku never saved a stranger life or had a work life balance.
>Goku never saved a stranger life
Is that really true?
It started as Journey to the West + Jackie Chan movies, then Goku was given a Superman origin and threw in more Star Wars shit.
I don't see any similarities to star wars and the superficial Superman origin was retcon 30 years after Z. Even then planet Vegeta didn't have a global warming allegory like Krypton and Bardock was no Jor-El.
>retcon 30 years after Z
Then the retcon is non-canon.
No, it just drew inspiration from some ideas. Just like Superman is inspired by Hercules and Achilles.
It's its own thing.
>superman is just hercules
that explains so much
redditor
Because Japanese publishers have a better relationship with their fan base by regularly establishing guidelines on what kind of fan works you're allowed to produce and sell, leading to a strong and healthy doujinshi scene.
Don't worry I'll buy DC when this happens and make it good again, we won't need to rely on Batman.
When they say "as he is depicted" does that mean you need to use the same costume and everything?
Yeah, but I guess you could make a new costume based on the original, too, as long as it doesn't take from later costumes.
I was mostly joking but Puss does the signature Zorro mark and both Puss and Zoro are bounty hunters with a bounty like the original Zorro.
It's a fair use parody of his voice actor most famous role.
I wonder how parody works. Can I sell a serious story with Superman cast but I call it "Supaman"? Do I need to slightly change the design and make a few jokes to be safe?
That's true but that wouldn't be covered by trademark/copyright laws.
He isn't doing a "Z"
His name is Puss in Boots, not Zorro or Don Diego de la Vega or Alejandro Murrieta
They can't really go after Dreamworks for that because this could be covered as either parody or a reference to things already in public domain (carving a "Z" is done in the public domain stories)
Bold of you to think DC comics will survive until then when they publish a bunch of shitty comics nobody buys and their movies lose millions of dollars.
Good.
they will die before that kek. what kind of optimism is that? also doujin has never killed the og series. that shit wont kill dc. its just gonna fall apart because they are just shit
Who would want to use either of those guys? call me when spider man becomes public domain so we can fix his shit.
As long as greedy israelites exist, those will remain behind USA ownership
its been dead since priest's deathstroke run ended