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>Writer: Meghan Fitzman
Who and what the actual frick?
writer for Supernatural. Former comic fan podcaster.
I really hate how Fitzmartin has just turned Steph into a prop for Tim's (excruciatingly stupid) storyline.
>writer for Supernatural. Former comic fan podcaster.
WHY IS SOME HAIRY c**t WRITING BASED TIM NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
This is the gayest shit I've ever seen.
bro Jon's pride issue is way gayer
Bisexuals are real.
FAKE
As real as Bigfoot.
Unless they're bawds constantly fricking men and women, they're just gay or straight at different times.
>at different times
Not how it works. They’re gay and straight daily.
Not in comics.
We agree on that.
As opposed to a gay he met in one issue and was dating two later?
no, but the last "relationship" didn't have the "trust" and many issues like this one.
>They’re gay and straight daily.
Hard to portray that without having them constantly attracted to men and women, it's easier to just put them in a gay relationship to make it obvious they're LGBBQ, since that's all that matters.
They should just stop changing the sexuality of characters
>or when we’d point out out hot straight couples where he’d say the girl is hot and I’d say the guy is hot and he’s agreed
You just said that was tantamount to cheating. As a bisexual I’ve never met another bisexual who just led headlong into an exclusive same sex relationship with someone they just met like both tim and Jon have.
To be fair, Bernard is an old classmate/friend of Tim, so not someone he just met. It is weird to end your relationship with the girl you've been dating most of your life for someone who once said your step mom was hot tho.
I really want him to say Bruce is hot
I’ve experienced both as a gay guy who dated 2 bi guys.
One took a year to finally admit he was bi and asked me on a date.
Another one immediately dove into a relationship with me after his female fiancé and him broke it off, but I think that was more trying to distance himself fast from that break up.
Yeah. REALLY GAY!!!
Who wrote this crap? Contradicts itself in the same word bubble.
Wow, weird. It's almost like the word is obviously being used in two different ways.
explain to me how; I can get it meaning level of experience but thats after analyzing it and it doesn't flow naturally.
>first is a clinical statement about victim details
>second is general statement about their general category with a follow-up to confirm it
He could have paraphrased the second point with some longer construction like 'point in their lives', but he's also doing internal monologue and shouldn't be obviously clarifying something that isn't confusing. It would need to be a smooth edit.
Source, your ass
Stop defending shit products shill
What? It doesn't need a source. That is literally what it means. There is no other viable interpretation.
Thanks! I'm excited to read this!
FAKE
Doesn't he have a kid with Steph
No? It was never his kid he just delivered her
In Batman Beyond movie if I am not wrong they were married and had kids..
Or at least fans think that his blonde wife was her.
I thought Batman Beyond Joker was Tim?
He was but only sometimes
It was like a chip in his head, flip the switch and he turns into Joker. But until the switch was flipped he grew up and had a life
aaaaaand before he's the Joker...?
iiiiiin the same movie...?
He was like inside his head waiting to return to the action but for the rest Tim continued with his life..
In the opposite case Joker would had returned Decades ago if Tim was always Joker
Is Tim getting the magic cookie for his homebox again?
more like special ed heh
also where's the frotting fanart?
>more like special ed heh
That doesn't rhyme, you moron.
Neither does dc special…
Remember when Tim didn't look like some skinny Portland actual wienersucker?
The Marvel and DC gay curse. Once you're no longer straight, you become a twink. Apparently all gays are twinks in Marvel and DC's eyes.
facts
sick of this shit. i have gay friends, they certainly aren't twinks kek. this is still stereotypical in a bad way
all of this shit is still bendis' fault since bobby. frick him forever
I think its because they want the characters to be attractive or appealing to gay and bi men, a bit like how female characters are drawn (or used to be) to be attractive and appealing to straight men. But they're clueless as to what gay men are into, or look like, which to be honest is mostly like how Conner looks here.
I think they just decided to copy what a bunch of popular gay instagram users and gay porn stars look like. They certainly look it in the face with the dick sucking lips and the odd realism to them like they've been traced. So now they all just look like generic creepy looking twinks.
Also I think out of all the random male characters turning gay, Iceman's is still the worst and most nonsensical.
At least the art style here is somewhat cute. I wouldn't say it quite does it for me, but it's close to finally having a cute twink in a Western comic for a change.
The style of the Hulkling and Wiccan pics there is rough though. Way too soft and rounded.
The comic itself is kinda bad as far as the writing goes. Tim comes off as a bit too meek and wishy washy here.
I dunno. I think most of this stuff is too pandering. Comics like this don't really exist to appease me or even most other bi or gay dudes. They're there to drum up some PR, maybe win a GLAAD award. There's no real merit here and it doesn't really feel like they're trying to tell any sort of authentic or personal story.
>tfw trashy gay romance manga unironically does a better job of resonating with me than any of the Big 2's attempts at this stuff
If Wiccan and Hulkling aren’t drawn by Cheung, they look awful anyway.
>cheung
Everyone has exactly the same face, and he draws Teddy ugly way too often.
Teddy is literally a twink who changed his appearance to look like a hot chad, so he's both allowed to be a bit twinkish and not allowed to not be hot.
>reading trashy gay romance manga
what are you, gay?
Bi, with a slight preference towards dudes. I find BL manga to be really romantic.
Hulkling has been massively twinkified recently. This is how he used to look.
Shapeshifter, who cares
That was a pretty badly drawn tim though; in the Batbooks Tim was always fairly small looking until OYL. And roided out Tim never looks good anyway.
Wasn't this all in batman urban? Why are they back tracking...?
It is the only story that DC knows how to tell.
This is like the only Urban Legends sotry people are still talking about so they're making a special reprint issue with a bonus new story because people just want gay tim.
>people just want gay tim.
Twitter bots aren’t people. And they definitely aren’t customers.
Evidently they are considering this special exists due to sales.
Shade the changing man?
Hot
Reddddd Robinnnnnnnn Yum
Damn! What source is the artist referencing with?? Fricking hot zoomer
I’m so sick of homosexual shit
>Even the cover is a gay relationship
Can anyone explain WTF happened to Tim's personality? I don't know if this is because of Rebirth or some other retcon but why does it seem like Tim's regressing as a character? I don't read a lot of Batman/Robin shit, but I always thought Tim was the more mature and level headed robin, I hope his character doesn't get worse over time though and this is just a really messy run so far
Tim changes vastly depending on the writer as they have absolutely zero idea what to do with him. To be honest the bi thing was a last ditch attempt to give him a memorable thing.
Tim repeats his "finding a place" storyline a lot, just like how Damian repeats his "become less of an butthole" storyline or dick the "im not like bruce" storyline.
So is his peak really just in the 90s with Chuck's work with him?
Pretty much, though Young Justice is more enjoyable its all Tim in Robin mode so less character moments. A lot of people on the board like John's teen Titans but its pretty different from how Tim was written before and sets up Tim and Kon weirdly close. Red Robin is also fairly popular too.
Thanks for this, I guess I'll check out John's TT and see what sticks for me.
>Red Robin is also fairly popular too.
Is there any reason why he dropped this for Drake in the books? Honestly out of each of the Robin's future mantle, Red Robin never seemed all that much to me, but if it's more of Tim being batman but older then I'll take. Though would've been cool to see him go through a drastic or significant change like Red Hood or Nightwing
Bendis made him into Robin again for the Young Justice relaunch, or at least he tried. There was some internal back and forth within the Bat Office at the time
And there's fans who never really liked the Red Robin name because it's not a distinct enough graduation the way that Nightwing,Oracle and Red Hood are. It's literally just "Adjective Robin"
So Bendis decided to go with Drake. But that was horribly received because Ducks aren't cool and the costume was butt ugly
>So Bendis decided to go with Drake. But that was horribly received because Ducks aren't cool and the costume was butt ugly
Are you moronic or don’t understand that Drake is a trademarked name and will only give you one person when googled
Tim hasn't had good luck with his names.
That was also probably a pretty big factor
But they haven't stopped calling Karen Beecher "Bumblebee" after the Transformer got his own movie. So if they really had faith in the codename Drake they could have tried anyway
That makes sense on the Red Robin reception, but yeah Drake's costume really is ugly, the more I look it, the more I just see it as a reskin of his old costume.
I think he was simply referring to what male ducks are sometimes referred as, not sure how there being a real life Drake who's more popular has anything to do with anything here, sure I guess it'll make it more tedious to look up Tim Drake's Drake
Also a surname isnt much of a secret identity.
Jesus Christ, are they going to make Bernard a sidekick/superhero in the near future because he spent a couple weeks doing Zumba and karate? Not every new love interest needs to become a crime fighter…it’s like writers don’t know how to write normal people as supporting cast
>it’s like writers don’t know how to write people
ftfy
I'm pretty sure real people take self-defense classes.
My wife and her bull are so excited to read this when they get back from their date. I hope they bring leftovers.
Next time someone tells you bisexual doesn’t mean gay in comics remind them that Jon and Tim have completely abandoned all interest in women.
Its not like they were gawking at women every single issue prior though.
To be honest the only reason why Tim is bi instead of gay is so people can't say "This makes no sense as he had a long term relationship with Steph."
So basically “you’re right but I just HAD to respond because I’m an insufferable homosexual”.
Why are you such a little b***h?
>y-you’re a b***h
No, b***hes take wieners up the ass and find themselves compelled to respond to things despite having no retort.
The company I care about is ruining the characters I care about, that’s called passion, you dispassionate little b***h.
That wasn't me who responded to you but also if I agree with you why flip out at me?
Nice timestamps
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>NNNOOO COMPANIES HAVE TO DO WHAT I WANT WITH THEIR CHARACTERS NNNOOO I'M THE MAYOR OF FICTION NNNOOO STRAIGHT WHITE MEN ARE OPPRESSED NNNOOO
Bitch.
I wanted to respond, not had to. Why post if you don't like replies?
>Its not like they were gawking at women every single issue prior though
In every run Jon appeared in he had a female character he was interested in. Tim was almost always with steph for nearly 30 years.
Why lie?
>Run
>Issue
Since both have come out they haven’t had a single heterosexual moment or interaction.
You’re being incredibly disingenuous. What I want to know is why? What purpose does it serve other than shitposting?
I don''t get why they would though? They're in relationships. Are you suggesting DC should do a cheating storyline? Or what? an issue where Tim faps to straight porn?
The point is out of fricking nowhere they just leapt into gay relationships and never even look at women now.
No “bisexual” person leaps into a same sex relationship weeks into meeting someone. I know from experience.
And my point is why would they look at women right now? They're in relationships. Even when they had past relationships they didn't have random scenes of them gawking over other women when in that relationship or talking about how hot someone is, or like cheating on their partner or something. So why have it now? We don't need to know they get horny over girls still.
>They're in relationships.
I JUST FRICKING TOLD YOU THATS ABSURD
No, it exists for PR.
PEMN
>We don't need to know they get horny over girls still.
Why not, that’s not very representational. They haven’t shown a single one of their “bi” characters being bi, just gay.
Sure, have them in relationships with girls in the future but don't have them hit on girls when they're in a relationship already, or cheat on their partner with a girl, or like weird scenes where they're getting a boner over some breasts or something.
You refuse to acknowledge that it’s absurd their two bisexual characters who had zero past being bisexual immediately jumped into a fully exclusive same sex relationship.
It makes no sense.
>straight identifying
>turns out I like this guy
>guess I'm bi
>guess I'll date him
Absurd how?
Funny enough their is a comic where Tim does exactly that.
I agree that this is all biphobic bullshit. Shit is so hard sometimes even *I* doubt if I'm bi mid dude fricking.
Hell the whole Steph relationship started with tim feeling conflicted over emotionally cheating on his then-girlfriend with steph. A theme with tim was him trying to stay entirely disciplined and focused but still being a teenage boy
But apparently this means he was actually “gay-coded” or whatever the frick new word Twitter uses now.
Batman and Robin has been gay coded for a lot longer than that. Its such a gay coded franchise it created the comics code. To be honest though, I think Dick and Jason were gayer than Tim but I understand Tim was the only one unpopular enough to do it with.
>To be honest though, I think Dick and Jason were gayer than Tim
Jason's borderline asexual, with Artemis being his only real love interest.
Dick's gay coding largely comes from people misinterpreting his stuff as Robin, which is pretty creepy considering he was a kid for most of the time he was hanging out with Batman. Otherwise he's been written as aggressively heterosexual since he went off to college, and even as a kid he was crushing on girls.
There's no such thing as "aggressively heterosexual". Bobby Drake was aggressively hetero and it was revealed that it was all an act. This is why I think they missed a real opportunity to make Kon-el or Nightwing gay. It would have made more sense than Jon or Tim.
...using Iceman as "proof" that characters were actually intended by the creators to be gay all along is...a take, dude.
Tim has more gay subtext than Kon-el does by a long shot. His post-death Kon-el obsession is probably the gayest he's ever been if you ignore his refusal to frick women.
Jasons had some pretty gay moments with other men, I don't know what to tell you. If your metric for a characters sexuality is exclusively who they have fricked/dated, trying to explain subtext may be a bit too much with your current reading ability. Jason's "You're not a bad kisser for a woman" line is less gay in context but still pretty gay.
No, because I totally buy Tim having homosexual subtext more than Dick by far. With Jason I barely see any subtext but I do acknowledge people can interpret his relationship with bruce as subtext even though I disagree. Comics in general lends themselves to all sorts of looking into subtext because of the visuals on top of the text being done by different people
>“gay-coded” or whatever the frick new word Twitter uses now
What is it with homophobes and being moronic?
>The idea of non-explicit queer coding likely stems from the strict regulations of how queer characters were able to be portrayed in the early days of film-making. In 1930, The Hays Code was established as a standard for what was allowed to be shown on the big screen.
Man, those 30's Twitter accounts.
You’re moronic. The term coding is from the last 15 years when describing what they thought of as coded material from the past.
>dumb shit
>facts
>NUH UH BECAUSE I SAID SO
Read a book, idiot.
No you moron the theme of that book was sex was evil and you should wait until marriage.
There’s other ways to acknowledge bisexuality. His ex is one example.
When I dated bi guys, it only came up when I’d correct friends who said he was gay, or when we’d point out out hot straight couples where he’d say the girl is hot and I’d say the guy is hot and he’s agreed. It’s easy stuff.
>where he’d say the girl is hot and I’d say the guy is hot and he’s agreed.
Tim is not the kind of person to EVER say anyone is hot. Kon? Yeah, he'd be lusting after girls and pointing out the attractive ones, Tim wouldn't. Either guys or girls.
>when I’d correct friends who said he was gay,
He is gay.
I’m sorry but bisexuals are still just a myth, no matter how much you delude yourselves into thinking you/they still like girls.
Frick your and your rewriting of history. Jon and Tim were always attracted to women - Jon lost it when he saw Wonder Woman for the first time. This selective amnesia of the Left is disgusting.
Shit gets retconned all the time. Fact is, Tim as the fourth most popular straight male light skinned Robin made him worthless and they've been attempting to replace him for years because of it. Now his feature that separates him from the rest is hes gay. An unfortunate thing for Duke and Harper and whoever else they've been trying to fit in that diversity robin slot.
Catwoman, Black Cat, Harley Quinn, Wonder Woman, Constantine, White Canary, Brainiac 5, Kate Pryde, Storm, Hercules, Marvel Boy, Talia Al Ghul...
That’s because almost none of them are canonically bisexual, a writer or two just claimed it for Twitter clout. Maybe three of them have been explicitly shown as being into the same sex in anything but fan art.
The only one of those that wasnt official was Storm and WW in main earth, all of the others have had canonical love intrests of both sexes.
No, they haven’t lol. Wonder Woman coming from an island of women doesn’t make her bisexual.
Have they ever made a Stephanie brown action figure?
Again, WW has kissed female characters (exclusively in other earths in her case), and all the others have had love intrests of the same sex.
Its's just that for all comic characters new relationships dont last. Betting the same thing will happen with tim.
Wonder Woman has never kissed a woman and I notice you’re already slipping into non-canon stories.
> and all the others have had love intrests of the same sex.
Some, not all. Namely catwoman talia and black cat.
Catwoman has had a girlfriend in that forgettable run. Black Cat in mackay's stuff (and it was mentioned as far back as evil that men do). Talia hasnt, sure.
You say that, but the most likley outcome is that the moment this writer leaves they'll just make a brand new guy bf for tim and his cycle of forgettable love intrests will start a new.
>Betting the same thing will happen with tim.
I don't know anon, with how much Tim has been pushed with Bernard, I feel like DC would rather give Bernard powers so that he could defend himself and become a main part of the Bat-Family.
>Have they ever made a Stephanie brown action figure?
Two so far
>Catwoman, Black Cat, Wonder Woman, talia
Aren’t actually bisexual
Catwoman had a girlfriend who she kissed, black cat the same, the other two sure.
>Catwoman had a girlfriend who she kissed, black cat the same
Name the comic this happened in
>I said they are so they are
Not how it works.
The way it works is if a writer says it is and makes it canon, I'm pretty sure they've had references to being bisexual before, but excuse me if I don't have hard proof constantly with me.
No, what makes it canon is explicit and obvious on page same sex romance. Not suggestions and Twitter/interview comments and “coding”.
>I don’t have hard proof
Because it doesn’t exist and you’re a casual and literal homosexual here to do nothing but read a homosexual comic for free.
>makes it canon is explicit and obvious on page same sex romance
That's what I meant by a writer saying it's canon, I thought that was obvious.
>Because it doesn’t exist and you’re a casual and literal homosexual here to do nothing but read a homosexual comic for free.
It's actually because I don't have every gay moment of these characters memorized and saved in my computer to use in arguments online.
Not posting an image in a storytime but Catwoman dated Eiko Hasigawa , Black Cat dated Tamara Blake and Wonder Woman dated several Amazons on the island before she met Steve
You can post images when the storytime is over newbie.
Wonder Woman never dated a woman, again writers saying it doesn’t make it true.
Catwoman 39
Is that Holly or Selina?
He said their MAIN ships, there are such a thing as secondary ships, which have been same sex.
That's the thing, they ARE, but since their main ships are straight, they apparently don't count.
The only real bisexuals here are Constantine and Harley on account of being sexual degenerates like actual bisexuals.
Whats with tusk? He was a one issue character in the early 2000's, returned for the first issue of Gotham monsters acting completely ooc and dies and now here, is DC trying in vain to make a push for their only ever Iranian character
I wish Jason Todd would show up and beat Tim Drake with a crowbar again.
Good times.
Thanks anon for posting
Something tells me this page won’t age well.
Wasn’t this in Batman Urban Legends?
Wait why does Tim think saying POTS would work? He's not Zatanna, he's not magic is he?
Only reading this one cause I read the other two stories when they came out (no pun intended)
Does cass swear? I haven't read much of anything she's in but from what I understand she doesn't seem like the swearing time. At least not casually like this
>Does cass swear? I haven't read much of anything she's in but from what I understand she doesn't seem like the swearing time. At least not casually like this
>Why does Cass sound weird?
Hardly any writers know how Cass is supposed to talk.
>Hardly any writers know how Cass is supposed to talk.
Cass stopped talking like a caveman by the end of her book. Its weird how cass fans want her to perpetually have the mind of a child. The whole point of her book was to see her develop and become a normal person over time.
>Oh, I, uh, wasn't...sure how it was... said.
>He's a... friend of the family. He helped me... move in.
Look at all those ellipses. She's pausing to think because she's not good with words.
>Its weird how cass fans want her to perpetually have the mind of a child.
She doesn't have the mind of a child, she has the mind of someone who doesn't speak English very well.
Why does Cass sound weird?
BWAHAHAHAHA!
I hate this issue, but Belen Ortega does draw very, very pretty Steph.
God
That Steph's outfit makes me so hard
I would frick that plucky blonde every day until she gets pregnant again
It’s absurd how well Stephanie is taking being ghosted-and-dumped.
Would else could she do? Get homophobic?
Tim is her friend and he seems happy, she's not dumb enough to make a scene.
If she didn’t take it well, it would make her look like a bigot and DC can’t sell action figures of a character.
So she is fully accepting of her ex’a homosexuality and isn’t sad, angry, or confused like any human that finds out their ex-lover was never attracted to them.
Not anon, but I think you're severely confused on this and what these "SJWs/Wokeskulls" think anon. It's one thing to simply just speak out but it's another thing when you're trying to retroactively justifying your opinions or thoughts
>never attracted
When did it say that?
As I said - she's reduced to a flat prop to make Tim look good. It's really infuriatingly lazy writing.
Its fine she wants to bang cass so it would be hypocritical
Exactly. Stephanie is a lesbian so this whole situation is a relief for her.
Their comics already suck ass, cutesy uwu lesbians shit would kill it.
Its more like Cass is more masculine than Tim anyway.
Did you see the fricking imagine spot of if cass and steph infiltrated the gala. Cass looked like the biggest butch dyke ever
I loved that. DC is totally going in the StephCass direction.
You will never be a woman, troony.
We just like girls fricking each other, man.
We have porn for that. Lets not get our comics derailed by DC thinking anyone cares about dykes outside of porn.
But making it canon will lead to way more porn! No one cares about Kate Kane but because she's the resident dyke she gets way too much fricking NSFW art even though she long outstayed their welcome. dyking up steph and cass will both give us lesbian porn but also them being fricked straight. I like both so I win either way.
>But making it canon will lead to way more porn!
If that were true Kate Kane would be swimming in it. You're a dumbass.
I think she just took a breakup+ghosting+replacement better than anybody I've ever seen. That's crazy, but I guess it really drives home that their romantic relationship is beyond dead
Wouldnt that do the opposite? If she was a cold angry ex that would mean the relationship is beyond dead, but if she's just as close to him as she ever was it means there's still feelings there.
And its comics, everything changes while nothing changes.
if somebody you were "madly in love" with and dating randomly breaks up with you then completely ignores you and then show up with a new gf/bf it would trigger so much negative shit that a murder suicide would be a feasible outcome. They obviously won't do that, but she takes this whole thing so well given the background that it just comes off as insanely unrealistic, hacky, or that she never really cared all that much in the first place
Steph and Tim have always run hot and cold. Being friendly exes is nothing new for them.
that's a weird way to say he treats steph like shit.
Nothing says dead as frick than your ex-boyfriend asking you to meet the guy who is perforating him now.
It means she's an emotionally mature individual who can still be friends with her ex because their break-up wasn't acrimonious and they had a strong friendship outside of dating.
I wasn't sold on bottom Tim until Moore decided the matter for us.
>psychopathic shut-in poorly disguising his rabid bigotry pretends to be an authority on normal people
>I wasn't sold on bottom Tim until Moore decided the matter for us.
I don't know gay, what made it clear Tim was the bottom?
I see this pairing as more vers, but there are two things that make it seem like Tim isn't strictly the top according to the usual rules of pairings and porn (status, strength, color, which are all in his favor).
1) He articulated the way Tim is attracted.
2) The way he drew Bernard had a certain quality to it
In contrast, Ortega's art makes Bernie seem much more the bottom.
I picked up on this too. Moore’s depiction has loads more chemistry, but I might be biased because Tim has always seemed like a bottom to me.
Well, Tim is usually the bottom in his two traditional ships. It's just that this time he's not paired with someone bigger, stronger and more aggressive than him.
Bernard lost his old height advantage, but Moore fed him a couple sandwiches, and of course he'd have some idea how to depict dudes who are into each other.
I think Moore is new at writing but comparing his story to Fitzmartin’s just makes me wish he could do the inevitable Tim mini. Although at this point I’d take anyone other than Fitzmartin, she’s just a terrible fit for this subject matter.
shut-in poorly disguising his rabid bigotry pretends to be an authority on normal people
Anon, last we saw of Tim and Steph's relationship, they were roadtripping for months together alone. they were planning a future together. Tim was pretty much the only intimate relationship she had since Steph's mother is evil now and abandoned her.
There is no way I buy her being completely ok and not self conscious or upset as a way a real person would react. Its entirely feelgood writing. Its a disservice to all the characters; instead of facing any real repercussions. If anything its patronizing exactly because as a homosexual couple, everything about it is cute and flowery, when DC has a history of chaotic heterosexual relationships. By no means am I saying Steph should go full rightwing tradwife conservative or whatever, But the fact that she is so cool with being so unceremoniously dropped is just weird. Its one thing if they wrote a Tim and steph fall out of love story before it but this entire arc starts with Tim just having broken up with her.
In the real world people in significantly more serious relationships than those two had, especially in their post-rebirth retcon nothingness, remain friends after separating, especially if they were friends beforehand and still have reason to see each other regularly.
But the other factor is that it's also been a significant amount of time where we haven't seen either of them processing because DC is shit. Probably at least a couple of months? That's enough time to get into a mindset of at least superficial besties again.
I think most readers would agree that this whole storyline should have been shown in a lot more detail so it doesn't feel so rushed and at the same time annoyingly stretched out.
On the cute and flowery angle: we still haven't seen them do anything! They've barely interacted, and Bernard's had, like, three lines outside of the one conversation in the park.
Am I the only one who makes a clean break with an ex and doesn’t engage with them afterwards? Wtf is with everyone staying in touch with the people they used to frick? Is this a zoomer thing now?
Well we know Tim and Steph do keep in touch after they break up because they've done it before. Considering they are coworkers and Tim frequently does shit like this with whoever hes dating, its kind of a necessity.
>wtf is with everyone staying in touch with the people they used to frick
sometimes you'll want to keep your ex around for a meaningless frick
They’re both in the Bat-family, they have no choice about not seeing each other on a regular basis. Better be friends and be happy for each other than being possessive butthole.
Lots of people say cutting off an ex after the breakup is bad nowadays because "you only used her for sex" even if you didn't have sex because they don't know what love and heartbreak actually feel like.
>Not giving Tim a poly relationship
You had one job DC, he could be meat in a blonde boy/girl sandwich.
If nothing else, I'd like Steph conspiring with Bernard to bully Tim. Provided they actually do something with the characters more than once a year.
Tim really has a type huh? Dumb blondes.
>Tim with a bimbo and himbo sandwich where he bullys them intellectually
>and they bully him sexually
This was writing itself for all the actual bibawds
t. me, an actual living breathing bisult
It's like they never did any research on what a bi person thinks and feels. The mass amount of horny confusion and suddenly feeling like an asexual cuz you can't choose. And then the guilt at getting horny again. There's so much to work with here.
Instead we get this pick and choose garbage instead of the allout buffet we deserve.
Tim is an volcel bibawd though. He gets horny but he doesn't have sex due to his one true love Batman (in the metaphorical sense). He does cheat though.
>volcel
I got too many non-blue board ideas and I'll probably write a fic if I still did that sort of thing.
People talking about Bernard fricking Tim... Bernard won't even get to suck his dick before Tim dumps him over text because he kissed Kon and feels guilty.
Serious question, not joking, not shitposting: why did she hug him? she get dumbed and cucked and now she is hugging the mistress?
Because the editors and writers are all homosexuals who wanted to wrap up Tim and stephs history without any space for future writers to go back on it.
what the frick? I thought he is bi not gay, she will always be a part of his life
Do I need to be a woman to understand this.
Clearly she won’t be as anything more than a friend to go shopping with.
It’s pretty obvious Tim (and Jon) aren’t actually bisexual
Jon doesn't have a history with girlfriends
>Kathy gave him his first heat vision, the Superman equivalent of a boner for years.
>he made out with Saturn girl
What are you even saying?
that is not a history that is one issue for each girl
How the frick is it one issue? Cathy was present under Tomasi for years, and Saturn Girl and Jon were engaging with each other as soon as he went to the future. He has way more time spent with women than men, not that it matters to that wienersucker Taylor or the idiots at DC editorial.
He had a crush on Kathy then dated Saturn girl
but now that might as not be the case since it neither mention or acknowledge as the just full only gay because i don't think the writer know what a bi even means
That's how women manifest support for gays, by treating them like pets.
Because all characters must be super supportive and living towards the gays.
She couldn’t just shake his hand or something small.
She has to be shown that she loves the gays and is a true ally.
Urbanite white girls love having a gay best friend.
But not her boyfriend, he dumped her for a wiener
Steph can't be angry or jealous like an actual person would react She has to hug him to show she's totally an ally and yassss queen slay
She's a wienerquean and wants to watch.
She’s a fujo
So she doesn't become unlikable and cancelled. Unless love triangle drama is what you want
You think she would feel bad knowing that she was such an awful Gf that she turned her ex-boyfriend gay.
so Steph is a cuckqueen?
Totally.
Considering she's orbited Tim even after he was seeing another girl, and after he spent over a year obsessed with Kon, I could see that. She just wants to see Tim pound sweet boipussy while she watches.
She wants to take turns with him pounding tim's boipussy.
Always was, baby.
Something I hate about modern media is that everything has to be feel good, no conflict allowed. We could have had an engaging story about steph being hearthbroken since Tim couldn't shut up about how much he loves her, only to dump her for a dude he knew briefly in high school. But no instead Steph is totally ok with it and hugs the guy that stoler her man. They don't have to turn steph into a homophobe, just show how a person would actually react, feelign betrayed, confused, not willing to hug the homewrecker, male they characters take their time to build back their friendship. Nah, that's too much work lets just have them be bffs again in two seconds lol
Yeah, that's my frustration. She's just so unrealistically flat as a character in this story.
Unpopular opinion, but im already missing those two as a couple.
Its the opposite for me, Tim being bi (while something i have no real issue with) is purely taking stuff out of its original context and doesnt really do much because its not even with the character the fanon (which is something every character has) has been centered around. While Jon is such a new character that such a direction doesnt really change anything. The age up is the issue with him.
Not unpopular in my opinion at all. TimSteph is a classic pairing.
Normally not at all, here? Kinda.
Its probably more popular here than tumblr or twitter, there's its considered boring because its a mostly stable(until writers and editors break them up) hetero pairing.
Checked, there's clearly people on both of those sites that like it and it is the steph ship with the most fanfics on ao3 (not on tim's side but that's to be expected).
>TimSteph is a classic pairing.
Not anymore my dude. That shit is dead as frick.
Yeah they could have gotten a decent B plot about Tim and Stephs relationship out of this, but if an queer character faces any real challenges the writer will get called a homophobe on twitter, and we can't have that.
Its why a lot of modern heroes don't have memorable villains. They're so afraid to allow the heroes to be in trouble or to get their butts kicked or to lose. Especially if its a hero of colour of an LGBT hero, in case theres an outcry of "RACISM" or "HOMOPHOBIA" towards the writing. I like to think those groups are more sane than that though. Usually the ones that act like that are white girls on twitter but we should completely listen to them apparently judging by Marvel and DC.
the worst possible ending
I don't get it. Why was she so excited? This feels so fricking disconnected like the writer doesn't know how to write human relationships.
probably because the writer doesn't know how to human relationships
Could be wrong here, but I was told this writer used to write Tim/Connor Fanfics. Which probably explains the shitty writing.
>still trying this nonsense on
It's embarrassing how predictable you homosexuals are. There's PLENTY to criticise here, and invariably you pick the one thing that sabotages your own credibility.
Basic non-autistic sense should tell you the characters are meeting positively because Tim correctly judged his friendship with Steph non-romantic enough that it was a good time for it. Otherwise it would have been a bad judgement and she would have reacted badly. Both of these are normal, unobjectionable situations.
>Trying to defend a non-realistic situation that only happens in shitty pride month specials.
You must have been lobotimized to actually believe this shit is "realistic" enough to have actually happen in any situational breakup. Pure autist this one. Tell you what, if you can find a comic where a person actually doesn't know how to gage one's sexual change that doesn't end in hugs and kisses and shit. Then your argument has some brevity. Until then, it's all the same shit and will always be the same shit.
>Autists on 4ch who have never been in a relationship arguing about realism
Prime entertainment.
More entertaining than this shitty special kek
>no, that's impossible. someone's close friend could never be happy to meet their new SO if they used to date! it's all a lie because everyone is as psychotic as me!
We already had the shut-in homosexual pretending to know anything about how real humans behave, and it wasn't convincing then either.
And that's it. If you liked this, support your LCS or whatever.
i don't know how to describe it, but everytime the big two turns a character gay they start drawing them different to make them look gay. it happened with jon kent, tim, and iceman. apparently realizing you like wiener in the big two changes your facial structure to make you look like a homo. it's weird.
It is not enough for the characters to be homosexuals, they have to look like sissy yaoi caricatures. That way everyone knows they are gay.
That’s an insult to yaoi, at least you can always find a few with decently masculine characters.
My man.
Yeah. There's a big misconception that all yaoi stuff is just lanky and slightly effeminate guys. But, there's a lotta variety as far as looks and builds go. More so than Western comics gay stuff, which is just 98% musclemen. There's nothing wrong with liking muscular guys, I just wish there was something on the Western side of things that'd make for some nice eye candy.
What is the point of turning him gay? What could I possibly gain as a reader from knowing "X like a dick in his ass"?
>inb4 struggles and finds himself
there is no struggle, fricking none. even Joker won't say anything about X being a gay or gives him a hard time
Joker IS gay anon.
not my point
my point is even a monster like Joker won't be homophobic and make it hard for other gay men
Remember when Joker was ok with slaughtering innocents, skinning people alive, burning them, kidnapping, mass-murdering, terrorizing, raping, poisoning...etc but was fricking angry at the red skull for being a nazi
So how long till steph comes out and tells tim she's banging his sister
i say when she convinces Conner to join a polyamorous relationship so she can hurt his on all fronts
>FFM relationship
>in a modern comic
Haha. That's a good one.
Steph will hook up with some OC that no one likes or wanted.
Despite DC Comics making all their characters into homosexuals/“bisexuals”, they never seem to date other mainline characters.
It's pretty odd that when a female character becomes bi, that's the end of it. They don't harp on about it. And they're shown with both men and women. While when a male character becomes bi, it becomes their entire personality and it becomes pandering and they're never shown with women after.
Welcome to double standards. It's blatantly rigged against men.
>no shirtlessness
No point
Does anyone else prefer how bi Tim is going to bi Jon? It feels like there's just more with Tim beyond the sexuality. It feels Jon is just constant man love man love man love and while its there for Tim, its not the entire thing. Maybe its because he's fighting crime still and fighting more villains, but I guess he has that benefit due to the amount of Batman books he can appear in.
I don't know what the frick Jon's comic is. Its just him kissing his self insert boyfriend and flying around with a pride flag and shit. Are there even story arcs?
Also Tim has the more interesting love interest, thats not saying much but Tim's love interest is slightly better than Jon's who is horrific.
He's developed a friendship with Nightwing, he's pushing back against Batman who doesn't think he's ready to be Superman and doesn't trust his boyfriend
And there's the overarching villain President Bendix of Gamora who is still creating metahuman soldiers and working with Luthor to discredit Jon
>overarching villain President Bendix
>Bendix
I know this is an old character but still.
Tim being gay... err... bi has been 25 years in the making and is a natural development for his character. Jon being bi is against how he was portrayed in his comic books before the age-up, and takes place after he's artificially aged so we lose years of stories and development.
I don't really have anything against Gay Jon, but it's clear Jon was an Event Gay, while Tim's closet journey has been much more natural.
I think the cause of that is that a few writers have admitted that when writing Tim they headcannoned or wrote him as a gay/bi guy without really saying it because they couldn't. So there's a lot of Tim stuff with gay undertones to it, especially Connor/Tim stuff.
Meanwhile nobody did that with Jon because he was like ten. Then he magically wasn't one day then he's magically gay and then he's magically got a boyfriend and that all happens in less than a year. It just seems rushed. Probably because they wanted a gay Superman ASAP.
The only writers that did that were Winnick (who sees most characters as gay) and Tynion. The tim Connor stuff isnt deliberate undertones, its just how Johns writes friendships.
>The tim Connor stuff isnt deliberate undertones, its just how Johns writes friendships
Same with Dixon and TimConnor Hawke. Dixon didn't mean for them to come off as gay, but the way he wrote them certainly didn't paint them in a straight light.
If anything Dixon wrote them in a way that could come off as asexual, but Tim showed interest in girls during this period fairly consistently just not sex (which i guess would make him a romantic asexual or something).
How so, when even the writer explicitly said he was never written as being closeted. Just because he was a teenager with some self control and morals doesn’t mean he was automatically lusting after wiener the entire time.
It feels like Tim's is a lot more personal and more to do with a character art while Jon's is a lot more PR. Not to say Tim's wasn't also for PR reasons, after all, they knew what they were doing with the headlines like "Robin comes out" rather than "Tim Drake comes out" because they know normies have no idea who Robin is and just assume there's one Robin who says shit like "Holy ___ Batman!" but Jon's just reeks of "We want a Superman on the cover of our next pride issue and we want him waving the pride flag because that will get us in the media outlets and get us good PR."
This issue is effectively every story so far that includes or references Tim being bi, with the exception of the most recent story in the pride issue. I think Jon's would be a lot more than this. His love interest appears more, and there's a lot of preachy lines about being not straight in it. It feels like he's just spouting gay history shit off of wikipedia sometimes and just being preachy and lecturing, and theres just so many panels of him like protesting with zoomers and shit and holding pro gay banners and waving the pride flag and all this extra preachy trying too hard to appeal to an audience to the point it alienates them shit. And a lot of the stuff he says is pretty ignorant or just wrong like "Pride is a party."
It feels like when I read Tim's stories, its about someone coming to terms with his sexuality and his new relationship and a bunch of cutesy moments with that relationship. Its just more personal and down to Earth. When I read Jon's, its some twink with a weird face just spouting lines about gay history to nobody.
They're trying to make Jon DC's poster child of pride. And it's coming off as very overly constructed and unbelievable.
That pride issue was accurate to how obnoxious gay people are because it was written by a queer person named Devin Grayson.
I wouldnt disagree per say, altough with Tim i'd say its more the case of the fans that push for this kind of stuff running the asylum, while with Jon its a cynical cold move by Taylor.
It also comes to the fact that to tell the Tim story they had to make an established couple break up while there was nothing there to really break up with Jon, so one bugs me while the other doesnt at all.
From a PR perspective, it is funny that this will lead to Tim being the main Robin again, at least as far as other books using him. In both cases it does seem like editorial knew nothing of it.
Tims was literally one Tim fan and her editor. Higher up editors didn't even know about it because they didn't give a shit about the character until it started making headlines. DC didn't make those Robin headlines, the outlets did.
I also noticed in comparison to Jon's relationship, they have not been shown at least once kissing, whereas for Jon it seems constant. It makes me wonder if people who are interested in this new pairing for Tim, feel frustrated about that. I don't know, dumb observation.
Oh they are. It's fun watching them on twitter. Everyone was expecting a kiss to happen and was extremely disappointed how Bernard didn't even get more than a bubble of dialogue. He has no modern characterization or personality and
Bernard is just "tim's bf" nothing beyond that. The modern version of characters like zoe, who just exist to show that tim has a social life.
>nterested in this new pairing for Tim, feel frustrated about that.
You haven't been reading comics very long, have you? Tim frustrating his partners is a longstanding Tim Drake tradition.
At least Tim’s love interest can fight
He shouldn’t be sidekick tier but the fact that he can fight is alright.
What’s pink boy going to do? Make a “plz don’t hit me” flag?
Jon's boyfriend is becoming a a superhero. He has phasing powers
That's stupid then.
variant cover
it's crazy how much content these newbies are getting, where's my Midnighter and Apollo pride special variant cover? They were gay in comics before it was even cool
Ironically such characters get overshadowed when they make big established ones lgbt, just compare this pride comic to the one from last year, there's only two chars which were made as lgbt in the current one.
Midnighter also got a collection today, actually.
Oh yeah I heard about it, didn't realize it came put today, nice
I think tossing out my DC comics was a good idea if they is the shit they publish these days.
since when is tim drake gay?
Since forever according to the editors.
Are there any self respecting Timcucks left on this board?
I am, I just don't read or acknowledge comics from writers who I don't already like, this and whatever Chip is about to do are completely ignored in my mind 🙂
Willing to give Chip's stuff a look, might be suprisised .
I read his Howard book when it came out I'm not reading any more comics from him
His DD stuff was decent so im willing to give his batman a chance.
I didn't read it but heard people complain about it at my lcs and online
Is the only reason that DC and Marvel haven't already folded despite all this shit because of them being owned by major corporations?
Pretty much. Barely anyone reads this garbage and they're rightful getting their asses kicked by manga.
Just a reminder that we’re only two weeks into pride month and the BRAND NEW STD Monkey pox has already been spread to 51 countries
>Just a reminder that we’re only two weeks into pride month and the BRAND NEW STD Monkey pox has already been spread to 51 countries
Its a repeat of the 80s all over again lol
Idiot.
The risk of death in those infected ranges from 0% to 11%, depending on the type of monkeypox and location in the world.
>BRAND NEW
Wrong.
Monkeypox as a disease in humans was first associated with an illness in the Democratic Republic of the Congo (formerly Zaire), in the town of Basankusu, Équateur Province, in 1970.
>STD
Wrong again, stupid.
The virus can also spread from human to human, by respiratory (airborne) contact or by contact with an infected person's bodily fluids.[14] Risk factors for transmission include sharing a bed or room, or using the same utensils as an infected person. Increased transmission risk is associated with factors involving the introduction of virus to the oral mucosa.
And yet it’s due to a bunch of gays pounding each other’s asses raw at Pride orgies that it’s spread everywhere now. Or do you also contest that?
Weird how this pride event started in May... Weird how it's in multiple countries, regardless of how much they celebrate... Dumbass.
Dude, the origin was located in an orgy a gay sauna in Madrid where a bunch of gays where sodomizing each other to celebrate Eurovision song contest. The news went ape saying not to stigmatize "any collective whichever it may be" for the spread of the disease.
>2022 monkeypox outbreak
>Deaths: 0
>COVID-19
>Deaths: 6,312,635
But please, continue to tell me how conservatives are saving the world.
I love it when TimSteph fans get mad. They've been worse than DickKory fans lately and need to be put in their place.
How did DickKory fans become so psychotically awful? All of a sudden they go out of their way to shit on other characters in the screechiest ways possible.
Tt:go portrays robin as an obsessive stalker and starfire wants to bone anyone who isn't him
And its the most popular form of teen titans ever. I dont blame starfire robin shippers for being salty
Because their ship is dead but that keep getting crumbs from other media to fuel the flames. This is why TimSteph as a shop needs to be taken out back and shot then cremated. For peace.
>Because their ship is dead but that keep getting crumbs from other media to fuel the flames.
Their ship hasn't been good since the mid 80s...
>the teen titans cartoon doesn't count
I think they should just make Jon and Tim date. It would be more interesting than Bernard and Jay. Damian would turn into a real homophobe.
These comics have done the opposite of what they were meant doing and made me hate gay people even more.
It doesn't make me hate gay people in general, but I find the whole bernard so obnoxious its making me mad. You're right about it doing the opposite, and its crazy because people weren't complaining so much about characters like Midnigther and Apollo, who where very obviously gay, but were far less annoying than all this new shit
Are literal headcannons and fanfictions the only hope/cope left for people that don't want garbage like this being pushed..?
You enjoy b***hing about stupid shit way too much to do something as sensible as that.
When will they mine the well of content that is Bernard being an insane bat conspiracy theorist?
Bernard is a dumb name that you'd call your dog, and the fact the best nickname you could use for him is bernie doesn't help.
You couldn't have named him billy or branden?
I can't remember if Ives is still alive or if he ever met steph
He had cancer but then went off to be forgotten like all of Tim's blonde male friends. Him and Steph met at Tim's surprise 16th birthday party
So do they really run around with their gay lover in tow all the time like the cover suggests?
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>this idiot again
Hopefully this causes Stephanie to bi herself
Tim is pretty frickable in this, His boyfriend isn't half-bad looking either.
I approve of Bobbin' Robin
Reading this made me gay. Happy Pride.
2 Things:
-The enthusiastic hug is weird and if it was shown to be a weird overreaction as her botched attempt to play it cool that'd be something to explain it better
Or don't hug at all and just say "hey nice to meet you" or whatever the frick
-"it him?" is insufferable zoomer speak but they're teens so I guess it makes sense.
Other than that, this was fine. Thanks for the read OP.
y'know its one thing to make him a gay, its another to make his boyfriend look like a kid who doesnt shower