Dead On Arrival
>There are two kinds of “adult” television: the kind that uses mature themes like violence and nudity to titillate, and the kind that uses them to tell more complex stories. Hazbin Hotel, Prime Video’s new animated musical-comedy series (premiering Jan. 19), fits into the former camp. Priding itself on its massive amounts of innuendo and profane language, the series often obscures its legitimate charms with its see-through attempts at subversion. While there’s some fun to be had with its song-and-dance mode, it’s impossible to ignore how closely Hazbin’s concepts of mature themes and comedy match up with those of a 15-year-old boy.
>Hazbin Hotel got its start on YouTube in 2019, when twenty-something artist Vivienne Medrano uploaded a half-hour pilot that she wrote, directed, and animated herself. She’d first gained a following there with her animated, unofficial music videos, with her own characters lip-syncing to popular songs; the pilot capitalized on that gimmick while adding in a story, dialogue, and original music. The impressively crafted short eventually attracted nearly 100 million views, and Medrano’s spinoff shorts featuring the characters singing new songs further grew the fanbase. Eventually, Medrano landed a production and distribution deal with A24, and fans have waited with bated breath for the full-fledged series ever since.
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>Both the YouTube pilot and the Prime Video series follow Charlie, the happy-go-lucky princess of Hell, where she’s recently opened a hotel-meets-rehabilitation center to help demons become angels. That way, they can make it out of Hell before the angels in Heaven come and exterminate them to curb overpopulation, as they do on an annual basis—a process which, in the series, speeds up by six months after Charlie accidentally pisses off the angels in charge. With the pressure now on, Charlie and her motley crew of guests sing their hearts out as she slowly sells them on her untested plan for salvation. At the same time, other shadowy figures emerge with their own plans for defeating the angels and seizing control of Hell.
>Despite having what seems like a great premise for a hangout comedy, Hazbin struggles with its storytelling. The show’s lore is condensed into a brisk explainer at the top of the premiere, and new characters and subplots are introduced abruptly. With eight episodes to pad out, Medrano (who created and co-writes the Prime Video show) tries to breathlessly expand the narrative to accommodate the increased runtime—while still including multiple musical numbers. But stuffing more into it makes the show feel bloated, not fuller.
>Hazbin treats its raunchy tone as an equal selling point to its story. This version of Hell has everything: bloody bodies decomposing on the street; cannibals feasting in front of burning buildings; and public displays of kinky sex. It’s easy to appreciate this garish backdrop visually, thanks to the show’s gorgeous color palette of maroons and purples; the fantastic, vibrant animation is Hazbin’s best asset by far.
This is actually a really a accurate review
I was confused why the shows pacing was so off compared to HB
Doesn't Vizzy have a direct hand in the other show, while this one shes hands off?
Its probably just a matter of something simple as that.
well the Q&A would suggest otherwise,
"I never felt creatively stepped on" was here (paraphrased) words
Also I hate Angel's new Brooklyn accent.
Yeah but you know how this shit goes. Everything is going great until something fails and then the real truth comes out.
>Doesn't Vizzy have a direct hand in the other show, while this one shes hands off?
Viv directed and wrote all the episodes along with her buddy Adam Neylan who she brought over from HB. Who is coincidentally responsible for writing the shittiest HB episodes.
>But Hazbin’s Hell only works when it’s used in ironic contrast to Charlie’s cheery persona. Otherwise, it subsists only on superficial shock value, a flaw that plagues the entire show. Despite the errant dominatrixes and omnipresent death, the sordid setting is neither grotesque nor novel; if you’re grossed out, you probably haven’t watched any recent Adult Swim cartoon. The most horrific thing about these Hell demons is their penchant for incessant, lame sex jokes and phrases like “rancid frickhole.” Whether or not you find the occasional gore scary and cartoon characters screaming “pussy” hilarious is on you, but it’s hard to argue that any of this is boundary-pushing for an adult viewer.
>The immaturity in particular would be easier to forgive if it didn’t hog up so much of the show’s air, especially at the expense of developing its characters. For the most part, the characters subscribe to basic archetypes: Charlie is a wannabe Disney princess prone to chipper musical numbers. Angel Dust, who lives at the hotel, is a porn star that’s constantly calling people “Daddy” and quipping about the cost of crack. Charlie’s loyal girlfriend Vaggie is the foul-mouthed tomboy to Charlie’s peppy girly-girl. These dynamics can be amusing and even affecting when the show takes time to explore them, but Hazbin prefers its cast to have rudderless, profane banter, shouting “frick you” while flipping the bird at each other. (If Angel has any lines that don’t include the words “frick,” “shit,” “pussy,” “prostitute,” or “titfricker,” I haven’t heard them.)
>The repetitive dialogue often stands in the way of story progression or character depth, fueling pointless and extended moments like Angel demanding to film a sex tape to use as a hotel commercial, and an angel repeatedly insisting that Charlie call him “the dick-fricking master.” But where the characters and comedy flounder, the songs shine. Hazbin Hotel’s musical numbers are, if not always standouts, consistently fun—an achievement for a show that’s tasked with having two-to-three original songs per half-hour episode. Charlie’s Disney pastiches sound like the real thing, and Angel’s dance-pop tracks harken back to what first made Medrano YouTube-popular. The lyrics mostly underline the obvious—Hell looks decrepit to everyone but Charlie! Angel chases sex and drugs to mask his self-loathing!—but they’re poetry compared to the show’s dick jokes and childish affinity for swears.
>As Hazbin Hotel trudges toward the season’s halfway mark, the show discovers some semblance of complexity. A visit from Charlie’s deadbeat dad Lucifer, from whom she inherited her irrepressible cheeriness, is both funny and revealing about the seemingly undaunted princess. A traumatic experience on a film set reveals the pain behind Angel Dust’s porn-star persona. The profanity even dies down a little bit—the sign of real maturity for a show like this.
>It’s clear that art and music are Medrano’s strong suits, not screenwriting. But in transitioning the YouTube hit to streaming, she borrowed from the wrong “adult TV” playbook, the one that prioritizes cheap thrills over deep thought. Hopefully Hazbin Hotel will stay on a more compelling path on its way toward the already confirmed Season 2, continuing to explore characters’ traumas, desires, and fears. Otherwise, beyond beautiful animation and toe-tapping tunes, there’s little reason to further extend its stay.
You expect me toread all that?
Tl;dr please
Essentially, she's praising the animation and songs but says Viv's writing is shallow and immature.
My name is caine and i am your b***h
Why did she get upset over that of all things?
Exactly what Cinemaphile has been saying since day 0.
Back to ifunny zoomie
You are a moron
It sucks
Learn to read and comphrend what you do read you brainless ape
The author of the article watched this animated tumblr comic and is annoyed to find that it is one creative idea developed with no story strucure or direction that fills more than halfs it's running time with horny jokes that go serve no purpose other than gooner bait
This shows legacy will forever be a a $50k gooner video.
The meme is funny, but it really won't be.
The show will just be 'yeah it was alright, not as groundbreaking as Viv was trying to jerk it off to be though'
>it really won't be
if the show isn't going to be remembered for being good - and it won't - the meme is going to be what's remembered about it
the meme will outlive the show
its legacy will be a $50k gooner video that bankrupted the gooner
>yeah it was alright
But it wasn't.
>$50k gooner video.
WHAT?!
>Black person with popular yt channel
>goons for charlie
>has 50k in frick you money
>blows it on an erotic music video with her in 2021
>vid gets leaked now
where's the video
https://archive.org/details/chase-hide-away-verbalase-hazbin-hotel
>vid gets leaked now
I don't know what's more poetic; some black youtuber spending 50K on animated fanfiction or that somebody waited under three years to leak it within days of the show preparing to premiere.
I'm confused as to why the Race of the coomer matters.
Why are you people so obsessed?
because they are americans and mutt's law is a thing
Because diversity is our strength.
>has 50k in frick you money
I heard he's broke now because of it.
He's not broke because he spent the money on that video, it's more that he's broke because his commission ate up an entire upload spot for his c channel without ever getting released, meaning his usual 2-3 month delay between animated beat battles got offset to six months, and that killed his momentum. Once he had such a huge gap, his videos got promoted less and everyone will tell you consistency is the only way to make it on Youtube, so the big gap just caused a downward spiral for the channel
>Charlie will always go down as a blacked coal burner now
lol
digital circus chads won
ok but what about Limbo
This gives me hope.
Same
Looks like a very trustworthy kind of person to tell me what should I enjoy
No, but she does look like the kind of person that would lap up Hazbin and praise it endlessly like some Viv orbiter. The fact that she called out the very obvious problems with Viv's writing makes me think that it's going to be getting some harsher criticism down the line.
>The fact that she called out the very obvious problems with Viv's writing makes me think that it's going to be getting some harsher criticism down the line.
God, I hope so. I swear the fandom is so wrapped up in their own heads they only see what they want in the show. Some outsider eyes that haven't been religiously following the series for years now who they can't just dismiss as a troll telling them it kind of sucks would be satisfying to see.
They’ll continue to dickride Vivzie. Both Viv and her fans are allergic to criticism.
Viv grew up on the internet why the frick can't she take shit talk from anyone?
I assumed her idiot followers were sheltered but she didn't seem that way.
Some people are just thin skinned autists, and never change.
She’s a womanchild with the mentality of someone half her age.
This, I don't know any women even my same age that can handle banter like guys can online, even if they've been in internet culture since the XBOX Live era.
I mean yeah thats a pretty normal looking lady. Lipstick is a bit bright. But this isnt like those ridiculous looking 300 lb journalists with purple hair that people post.
>journalists
Posting YAS KWEEN on X doesn't make you a journalist
>that thing
>normal
Go home to Kazakhstan or Mexico.
Literally touch grass
newbie
Yeah, looks like a joyless c**t
She does, but even a broken clock is right twice a day. I remember watching the HH's pilot and also think
>ok, I get it, you're meant to an adult audience, you don't need to keep swearing ever 3 and a half seconds
Overall, I thought it was meh, and didn't leave me waiting for more
She looks like the type of woman who writes 5,000 word "essays" for some clickbait venture capital-funded news site about how 1960s Hanna-Barbara cartoons are problematic as frick in today's enlightened atmosphere.
I'm struggling to find any detail about her appearance that would look out of place in a standard white-collar office in the past 30 years.
She looks cute
Why do critics expect adult cartoons to be complex and mature?
I mean, these reviews aren’t wrong, and I enjoy HB and HH.
I think there’s some idea that “adult” = “more mature.”
There’s this weird thing where a lot of “adult” cartoons appeal most to preteens who are still impressed by lazy cursing and old sex jokes because it’s still brand new to them. They’re not “supposed” to watch this and it’s new to them. If you’ve been watching irl guro and explicit shit online for decades this is nothing, but even if like most kids you grew up watching Family Guy and South Park, this is nothing.
If Viv stuck to the bit of having her characters purely take a shit on the concept sure.If the ENTIRE series was a pure ironic black comedy it would far far better.
HOWEVER, Vivienne Merando wants to have her cake and eat it too. Which is why we get these *sewious* woobie emotional moments of drama and angst that come flying the frick out of nowhere, with no setup, breathing room or time to sink in before going back to "hurrhurr dick jokes ya soggy pussy b***h!"
That's like when Family Guy tries to have a le gripping moment just to followup with something about Gnoherria.
It just takes you out and you are reminded why you don't give a shit about these stupid characters.
Either you are gonna be on point constantly with biting comedy or you're going to deliver something thought-provoking and emotional. You *can* do both but Vivz only gives a shit about jerking it with flashy musical numbers. She doesn't try to be better, which is a shame cuz normies will just see indie-animation from the 'internet' as this shitty shlock with someone's cringe OCs instead of something legitimate.
Plus it only hurts Vivz legacy, where she'll only be remembered as that b***hy nepo-baby that got her own crappy animated show.
>I think there’s some idea that “adult” = “more mature.”
It probably should but all it usually amounts to in the US is something even more juvenile and poorly animated than cartoons aimed at kids, only with swear words and sex jokes.
It's because other counties are capable of making animation aimed at adults that isn't stupid sex jokes and cartoonish violence and it gets tiring that in the U.S. adult animation just means "Family Guy but with more F words."
I like "Helluva Boss," but when you see Japan make shows like "Cowboy Bebop" it makes you jealous that the U.S. has absolutely no culture for that an animation is either kiddie shit Disney stuff or vulgar shit like "Drawn Together" with nothing in between.
Japan works because it's a conservative country where tradition and family are emphasized. Cartoons are still concentrated in LA which is liberal. Japan also has editorial control.
religious conservatives still think like pic related
Japanese cartoons are not more family oriented, that's the entire point the reply was making.
>science says races have different traits. Look at animals.
>NO THEY DON'T NO THEY DON'T EXPLODING UNIVERSE MADE US ALL THE SAAAAAAAME! EXPLODING UNIVERSE LOVES US ALL!
>race out of nowhere
>science says races have different traits
>look at animals
you might genuinely be moronic
The black population in Japan are just educated literature types who live out in the boonies or evangelicals with the personality of Ted Lasso.
>It's because other counties are capable of making animation aimed at adults that isn't stupid sex jokes
So does america, you just don’t watch them.
Pantheon
Blue eyed Samurai
Scavenger's Reign
Invincible
I'm sure there are others I'm missing as well.
All of these shows exist to prove that cartoons can be a medium for complex and mature storytelling. Hazbin Hotel is just another Family Guy clone, but this time it's got a red color pallette so it's different!
You forgot Primal
And Spawn
>Blue eyed Samurai
>Invincible
>complex and mature storytelling
lol no
This article actually doesn't tell us anything we already know.
>This show curses too much.
Yes, it does. Same with Helluva Boss.
I watched the two leaked episodes. They somehow curse even more than Helluva. At one point it’s literally like one of those memes where they add frick to every word and I’m not even joking. Now I know why Viv got mad at the memes because they ended up being true.
Another one
>Hazbin Hotel’s oddest element is its inexplicable tone. I know that this show has a huge audience and that its YouTube iteration led to this television series being possible, but I just have no idea who that audience is. Hazbin Hotel would actually work well enough and be able to justify some of its sloppier elements if it was supposed to be a show that’s geared towards children. There’s even a gaggle of adorable Minion-esque egg creatures. But then Angel Dust reveals that he’s an adult film actor, people start telling one another to “frick off,” Charlie repeatedly gets called a b***h, and another individual insists that they’re named “Dickmaster” because of how often they’re having sex. Characters do change and grow by the end of the season, but there’s ironically a very black-and-white quality to this character development. These changes feel telegraphed and predictable, even if that’s better than stasis and stagnation.
>On top of everything else, characters are prone to erupt into multiple lavish musical numbers in each episode – which are actually remarkably done and the best part of Hazbin Hotel – which also seem at odds with the rest of the series. One sequence involves Angel Dust undergoing a cycle of physical, sexual, and emotional abuse before he engages in a melancholy pop musical number where he has sex for money. It’s all such a strange melange of ingredients that have clearly connected through online content and the corresponding community, but it makes for a curious translation to television where specific demographics are more important.
>Hazbin Hotel’s character designs also feel disconnected. These looks and character designs feel perfect for online consumption. They’re exactly the type of designs that are conducive to fan-art. However, they lack a proper justification. The furred animal aesthetic, while distinct for a Hell scenario, is one element that could be better developed in Hazbin Hotel, but isn’t. The same is true for the various technology-themed demons. It’s equally unfathomable to see farcical characters of this nature open up about their addictions or suffer in abusive relationships. It’s usually positive to represent and normalize these types of stories, but it just feels out of place with so many other tonal elements. It may be a line that’s uttered in one of Angel Dust’s adult films, but Hazbin Hotel is a series where a character says, “Then let me frick the information out of you,” all while everything else carries the atmosphere of Zootopia. In fact, “Hornier Devil Zootopia” may be the perfect description of Hazbin Hotel.
> The furred animal aesthetic, while distinct for a Hell scenario, is one element that could be better developed in Hazbin Hotel, but isn’t
I've been curious to see the response to that aspect. I've been familiar with this cartoon for years, so I already know that humans in this setting turn into weird furries when they die and end up in Hell. I've become accustomed to the concept. But I've wondered if people with no previous familiarity with Vivzie's stuff will be able to easily accept it as part of the premise, or if the characters and the setting will confuse them.
Why would the damned turn into furries in Hell?
God wasn't paying attention and assumed being a hideous coombeast was punishment.
All furries should suffer and die.
by being smothered by meicrackmon's hips
They are separated from God, thus are no longer in his image
Then why are there furries in heaven?
In "Slightly Damned" webcomic, furries are in Hell, but not in Heaven. (Sadly, comic went downhill in the last 5 years)
>“Hornier Devil Zootopia”
wtf I love Hasbeen Motel now
>Hazbin Hotel’s character designs also feel disconnected. These looks and character designs feel perfect for online consumption. They’re exactly the type of designs that are conducive to fan-art. However, they lack a proper justification.
This is something that I 100% agree with.
Those character designs are made to look as marketable as possible and nothing more.
They feel exremely safe and trope-ish.
One of the most dissapointing design choices are the "full demon designs", which only consists of adding horns and black eyes (how scary!). Lame.
Might be that I lean more towards horror media, but I think if you do a demon design, make it interesting!
Alastor is a radio demon with deer characteristics, so make his full demon design some kind of bio-mechanical centaur deer abomination! Jeez, it's realy not that hard.
Vox pisses me off too. If you plan on making an object in the place of a head, go hard with it.
Why would you add a stupid drawn face on the screen?!
He's an overlord, so make him look intimidating. Make him faceless, there could be static on the screen, or sound waves when he's talking. Anything but the stupid face, please.
*antlers. That's a deer.
Well aware. I was talking in general sense,
sause same applies to Charlie and most likely other in the future.
I used Alastor only as an example.
He's still a deer, and deer have antlers.
>gorgeous color palette
Hazbin is all just a red smear.
There's another review on Mashable. It gives some praise, mainly at the songs, but says ultimately its pretty shallow.
>Two disappointing reviews on two mainstream sites.
Viv can't even handle criticism on Twitter. This isn't going to end well.
God won :3
Watched both episodes. I found it fricking awful, I'm gonna be honest. I like Vox though, he has potential, but that's honestly it.
After watching the first two episodes I kinda liked two of the songs (Adam song and the radio tv duet) since they weren't a constant stream of lazy expletives.
"My name is Caine, and I am your b***h"
AYE CARAMBA THAT'S HOW I TALK, CHOLO!
Dear God... Put the fork down, Viv, lmao.
>”OOOOUUURRRRPPPPPPPPP!!!!!”
This single line unironically destroyed Vivziepop’s career
>One review
>It's over.
People like it. cope.
What's the Negative / Positive / Mixed review count now?
I haven't seen any new reviews yet added onto the count from the previous threads.
Previous thread's count below:
Add onto the collection of reviews when you find them.
Updated collection of reviews.
7 Positive reviews so far:
https://www.comicsbeat.com/tv-review-check-in-for-a-sacrilicious-sing-along-at-hazbin-hotel/
https://television.mxdwn.com/reviews/review-hazbin-hotel-season-1-episode-1-overture/
https://thecosmiccircus.com/hazbin-hotel-brings-heaven-hell-hilarity-and-heart-to-prime-video/
https://collider.com/hazbin-hotel-tv-series-review/
https://fandomwire.com/hazbin-hotel-review-long-awaited-adult-animated-series-is-darkly-funny-charming/
https://thehollywoodhandle.co/2024/animated/hazbin-hotel-episode-1-5-review-a-hellish-blast/
https://mamasgeeky.com/2024/01/hazbin-hotel-season-one-review.html
3 Negative reviews so far:
https://www.thedailybeast.com/obsessed/hazbin-hotel-review-the-most-frustrating-kind-of-raunchy-adult-tv
https://mashable.com/article/hazbin-hotel-season-1-review
https://www.bubbleblabber.com/2024/01/season-review-hazbin-hotel-season-one/
Don't some of the positive ones speak highly of the music and voice acting, but say the dialogue and writing is a bit lacking?
So, every musical out there?
I like Helluva and Hazbin but Im not watching them for whatever the frick random 12 year old youtube commentary channels want. I watch it while having nothing better to do for some nice songs and vibe.
Firstly, there are many well written musicals. You just need to go look beyond disney+.
If you like this, good for you? You can enjoy it, but folks also can critique it.
I think Viv wants to write somthing deeper and not just a dumb comedy.
She just fails at it, which allows people to point out her mistakes.
>I think Viv wants to write somthing deeper and not just a dumb comedy.
It depends on what you find as "deep" or greatly written. I don't think the Boys is deep, I don't find Breaking Bed or Better Call Saul deep. They just have very shallow character moments to continue the story forward and that doesn't make them bad, its not even bad writing, but they are not deep or emotional or through provoking. The shows and films out there that actually go for that are few and far between and almost always unpopular because they are frustrating to think and talk about because they don't have that shallow "feed your story" angle. I've always hated people calling certain comercial cartoons and shows deep because not a single of them are and most aren't trying to be.
Yeah, I should have worded that better. Deep was just the first term that came to my mind.
But yeah, Viv wants to give her characters some "depth" beyond their initial concept.
That's why there's this whole abusive relationship between Angel Dust and Valentino, Stolas and Stella. Loona's tragic backstory, trying to justify her behaviour.
Viv just fails at the delivery and her stories simply turn into pity party.
I used the term "deep" as in writing characters and situations as more real and believable, not caricatures.
Seriously I doubt anyone expects the writing being though provoking, even Viv herself.
Honestly, I think the only reason she adds in these dramatic abuse woobie BS is just to pathetically paw at getting a reaction out of her audience. She clearly doesn't care how that plays out later, she just wants BIG SAD reaction from reaction channels and twitter users.
In the grand scheme of things it doesn't matter or not if Angel gets gang-raped or Fiz has PTSD from being horribly mutilated in a fire or Stolas being super depresso from the domestic abuse situation he's enduring. NONE of those things matter because they just need a wuvy dovey boyfriend to kiss them and talk dirty when they flirt. All it means is Viv is signalling as hard as she can that they DESERVE an epic semi-hard fought romance where there was angst but its OK the crazy sex makes up for it. Sure it's sort of toxic like the previous ones, but like - in a good way.
Loona and Octavia will be A-OK when their dads confess their love and date "for real" since they can be sisters or whatever.
Bonus points if the love confession comes from a schlocky disney or broadway esque musical number.
People reshare clips like the deaf kid that fizz was able to sign with and those are taken out of context of the rest of the episode where there's slurs, swears and just generally unappealing trite that's hard to follow.
In two years we'll be saying the same about the Amazing Digital Circus
Were already saying that about it. Digital circus was a crappy algorithm chasing Baldie’s Basics in the back rooms animation without a story, character motivations, or even a reason to care. It’s even more shallow than Hazbin which made a Dixie cup look like a swimming pool
>Vivienne Medrano uploaded a half-hour pilot that she wrote, directed, and animated herself.
Herself? I know two people that worked on that piece of shit, and they did it for the exposure. But that was animated by about 15 people...what's this herself bullshit?
did they even get paid decent? Some of the voice actors probably just did it as a passion project, then got left behind because Viv has had Broadway aspirations since Day 1.
I think they mean herself as in it was a independent project with no studio involved. Still a weird way of phrasing it though
Pretty sure the article writer thinks Viv is some kind of prodigy that made everything in her parents basement.
Where furry coombait?
Do you think ChAdam fricked Vaggie when she was an Exorcist and the dick was so mindblowingly good that she became a lesbian because she knew no dick could possibly compete?
Frickity frick frickcum in my butthole holy shit monkey twink ass orgy cum in my demon butt hole Charlie welcome to the Helluva Hotel, where we serve Hazbins like a Boss
>AI sloopa
future is looking bright
>madam, they are talking bad about the show, what should we do?
>release the rape tape
>but ma-
>DUMP IT
Congratulations you copy pasted a review of a show. Fricking worthless thread
You know what show I like? Lower Decks.
You know what show started as an immature swear-fest, Rick and Morty-lite, bland corporate cash-in? Lower Decks.
But then the S1 finale is a therapy session for the show itself, where it tells itself to chill out, and then it became great. Lower Decks had Paramount money behind it, fumbled the bag, and some people were still willing to give it a shot to see what it became.
Hazbin is a frustratingly shitty show because on the surface it could be great. A sitcom parody of golden age Disney set in hell is a great idea. It's just not very good because it's not very funny, and it's not very funny because it's trying to hard. Maybe now that the show has backing and the creators can calm down, the show can sit down with itself and chill the frick out.
Keep in mind, hazbin started out good and then fell apart. Hazbin is the 2nd show and technically the third season of Viv's concept. It's fundamentally worse and she doubled down against the criticism to improve the show.
I always saw people saying it was good. I thought they must have bad taste because I only knew it as an immature swear fest. Maybe I should give it another try?
I doubt Hazbin will get better though. Viv has had so many attempts, and she fumbles it every time. Even before Hazbin there was Zoophobia. It didn't have swearing every second, but it did degrade to relationship drama just like Helluva Boss. And still had Hell for some reason.
Nta but lower decks is pretty good from what I've watched(around 3 seasons) has some low points but it recovers.
You sound like an autistic brony.
She quit making Zoophobia out of spite.
Why?
Yeah Lower Decks is cool. It's a good show
I mean, after all the schizoing, e-celeb drama, and furry/demon fetishism, we all knew it was going to be just like every other animated series marketed towards adults. America only makes two types of animated series: samey comedies for kids and samey comedies for adults
There are more than one type of cartoon for adults. There's actually two whole genres:
>transgressive gross-out comedy
>simpsons rip-off family sitcom
Sometimes they combine the two ideas, but they operate as distinct paths for adult cartoons to take. The gross-out comedy follows the vein of South Park, whose early seasons best exemplify it, and I think this type of adult animation reached its zenith with Drawn Together.
The family sitcom model is just everything that tried to become the next Simpsons (and ironically the only ones that had success were the ones that stopped trying to be the Simpsons).
I want more animated series like this. But hell, what they pulled off is near impossible.
>I want more animated series like this.
then go watch anime
because you'll never get anything like this on a regular basis from an American studio or streaming company
shit, man, we're lucky we got Castlevania, and that ended up being half badass action sequences and half shock-value swearing
You might be right that we'll never get anything more mature out of the US, but doesn't hurt to hope things will change.
do not trust to hope when it comes to American animation
especially with dipshits like David Zaslav in charge of companies
frickin' enemy of art, that fricker is, wouldn't mind seeing him die of a painful heart attack
I mean literally the only way you're going to get what you want is out of indie shit and books out of the west,
Everything big in the west is going to be tainted like this. Hoping this will change isn't just naive, its actually delusional.
You seem to misunderstand what 'hope' means. I'd like for it to change and there's always a chance. But I certainly don't expect it to change any time soon.
No media remains the same for eternity.
Delusional
Same
So wait is this going to have actual sex type scenes in it? I was wondering what it would do (if anything) to distinguish itself from Helluva Boss but that would do the trick somewhat, I suppose.
Anyway, in case it doesn't I just wanted to say how utterly STUPID it is to have your show on a streaming service that has less sexual/nudity restrictions than youtube and one of your main characters is a porn star but then you shy away from showing anything pornographic. we can just watch Helluva Boss again to see furry type hell creatures talk and joke about sucking dick.
>So wait is this going to have actual sex type scenes in it?
Don't count on it, they want to actually have an audience. Anything with explicit sex would make it extremely hard to market. It's just the author of the article being a typical prude and complaining about raunchy jokes and innuendo. It's honestly probably not even as offensive as stuff that used to air on cable TV back in the 00s.
>reading comprehension
No where in the review did the author claim it was offensive. In fact, it claimed the exact opposite, that the over reliance on swearing and sex jokes is trite and uninteresting.
The idea of seeing a penis in Viv's style is horrifying.
I don't think she would ever actually draw one. She likes to just have fluff art but no actual sex is involved.
The worst type of sexuality.
The duet that SAVED THE SHOW.
These two might be my favorites after all.
>HB starts off its pilot and first ep as an office comedy about a struggling small company
>its very second episode starts pivoting it to become a gay soap opera drama, heavily focused on the mysterious powerful benefactor side character
>quickly goes downhill from there
>HH starts off its pilot and first ep as an extended disney princess musical satire about a feud between the forces of heaven and hell
>its very second episode starts pivoting it to become a gay rivalry drama, heavily focused on the mysterious powerful benefactor side character
Mark my words. Vox vs Alastor may seem well and fun now, but it could spell the beginning of the end.
The show will forever be only remembered for the funny beatbox rape amv.
>That Donkey Kong machine
Absolutely disgusting. I'd rather a lazy photo of the actual DK machine slapped in this disgusting AI slop
anyone got links to the episodes?
Jannies seem to be coming down like an absolute hammer for some reason rn
But here. This one is still working for me at least
If you don't what to do with this you are too new.
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what do i do with this
decrypt it with base64
lurk more or something or whatever or anyways
anyone got the Mega for the episodes?
It's almost like cartoons all fricking suck. Or something.
Viv does sounds super jaded in the Q&A interview. Maybe she let the internet get to her?
Maybe then she’ll finally go on a diet.
Hopefully a bulking diet.
>”MORE FRIES, BRANDON!”
>”Y-Yes Vivienne…right away…”
>”IN YOUR BLITZO VOICE!”
>”Shit, frick, er- Yeah, I’ll be on it like shit on a dick! Hahah..”
>Brandon's dressed like Slave Leia.
>Viv has a chain around his neck.
>"shit on a dick"
Blitzo should def have been voiced by AVGN that shit would be so funny
>Lucifer gets a call from God
>Tries immediately hanging up, but can't because God
>"Are ya winning yet, son? My exorcists have been telling me wild stories about the nation you're building down there. Seems like quite a shithole if we're being honest with each other. I was just informed about how your own daughter was publicly mocked on national TV for asking them nicely to behave like civilized beings to each other. Do you really still think it's all worth it?"
How does he respond?
>N-no you
>Then he attempts to hang up again while God Boomer-laughs at him
>"I moved out years ago, dad! Stop calling me!"
>picrel
Reminder that Charlie canonically fricks black guys.
All the voicework I've heard from the teasers has been a stepdown from the pilot
Which is pretty wild and sad
>Jannies are purging literally everything because of amount of homosexual beat boxer spam.
Then why do I see 5+ rap guy threads in the catalog while every generic "Let's talk about Hazbin" thread got instantaneously purged
i was wonder why the thread i was in suddenly got purged but i get it since there was like 5 different threads about the same thing
until all the purging cools down i think this is going to be our thread for now unfortunately
It's Hazbover.
Jannies are taking down all Hazbin threads, it's over hazBros
What would Viv need to show on screen to stop people from drawing porn of Alastor and Charlie fricking?
Nothing. Alastor could be animated using Charlie’s mouth as a makeshift toilet and there would still be shippers.
It sucks compared to the pilot episode. Too many Flanderised characters sounding like a mix between Marvelspeak and Rick & Morty.
Why are there so many 10/10 reviews? It can't be THAT good.
Viv paid shills. No really. She did. Plus her fan boys flooded review sites. Give it a couple months. She has made so much money off merch. It's her being a slob.
Do you really think paid critics on news sites are going to slap the shit out of a show with gays and degeneracy made by a latina woman?
That's the kind of thing that ends with you not getting early access next time for being too "harsh" and probably get fired since exclusive stuff is everything to these critics for clicksites.
*latinx
Amazon and a24 barely even advertised this show even coming out, hell it was supposed to come out last Summer and only now is it airing. Several months later and after being shopped around to where Amazon Prime was the only streamer wanting to buy it.
I highly doubt a24 and Amazon are going to blacklist any review sites for Viv's very much mediocre Hazbin Hotel.
Was there ever a reason stated for the delay?
I just assumed some of the eps weren't completely finished yet, was it really the lack of interest in streamsites to pick it up?
I have the answer for that!
There is? seems more 7/10 to me. People like the music and voices, but the writing and pacing is bad. No surprise there.
Writing and pacing have never been Viv's strengths.
I am proud to of served among the battered bastards that did everything they could to downplay this show and destroy it.
I think her fanbase might start eating each other alive over the Angel Dust/Valentino controversy
why do you sound like you lost
Cope homosexual and commit suicide I'm happy I hurt your happiness.
You lost.
The new voices are worse. Did not laugh once. The angels just being even bigger buttholes that say shit and frick is not interesting. The only subplot I'm interested in is Alastor vs the TV demon. Might crank it to Angel Dust a couple times who knows/10
The annoying part is that the Exterminators, the power bad guys who kill demons in droves, are already jobbing and it's not even been half a season. One is already dead by episode 2. That reveal should have been during the season finale, not right now.
Viv is speedrunning the actual plot to focus on gay melodrama and introducing as many subplots as humanly possible since the company she works with only offered her 2 seasons.
If this and season 2 don't do well enough then there's very little chance for a 3rd season, but it depends if Viv kept the rights to Hazbin completely so she could always continue it online.
I thought she signed off the rights? That's why season 2 of Helluva Boss feels like she put her unused Helluva Boss plot points into that. If Hazbin Hotel gets cancelled, she'd never be able to use Charlie and the others again.
>she signed off the rights
>If Hazbin Hotel gets cancelled, she'd never be able to use Charlie and the others again
Holy frick...if that's the actual case then Viv is a massive moron. She literally sold her soul to the devil and if she loses Hazbin then we'll never get anymore stuff and the rights are either going to get bounced around or get locked down and never used again.
I guess you can say she's now in a Hell of her own making
I hope better writers take over the show and save it in the future.
>signed off the rights
>never be able to use Charlie and the others again.
omega level kek
serves the dumb b***h right, she could EASILY have capitalized on the interest the pilot got her, she easily could have gotten the money she needed through patreon and merch sales and made the show for a fraction of the price and gotten it out years ago
I hope her show gets canned early so she has to watch everything she worked towards go to shit and have nothing to show for it
Aren’t they giving this thing the Cuphead treatment by saying it’ll get “two whole seasons WAOW!” when really it’s just snipping a season in half and calling it a day?
Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't that a normal thing most cartoon shows do? The creator sells the rights to the company and in exchange they get royalties?
That's how it works, yeah. But that's only if the product does well and making merch for it is lucrative, otherwise if the show gets canned the creator that the idea belongs to will either never see it again or they'd have to try and buy it back.
Your average cartoon creator doesn't have the pull to crowdfund an animated show themselves. Vivzie did, but for some reason thought selling out to a network was a good idea.
It's definitely escalating too quickly with the upcoming war or whatever is going on. It's already implied that hell is done for unless they do something to change it soon which kind of throws off the whole feeling of the show, not a lot of room for fun because the world is ending soon and the hotel is now potentially the crux of the whole setting instead of just a funny side project that exists in a larger world.
The thing that really pisses me off about this show is that Medrano had SO MANY OPPORTUNITIES to make it interesting and she took none of them. All her characters supposedly being from different eras, she could have based some interpersonal conflict on that, as well as some historical jokes. Her setting literally being HELL meant she could've alluded to the already really cool biblical depictions of Hell, if not use them outright. But no, she had to make a gay softboy talkshow to fulfill her fetish or whatever.
It's so wild to me someone with such impatience in the art of storytelling had enough nepo-bux from her grandaddy to fund her ultimate self-indulgence series. Then somehow collected a fanbase of autists, gooners and children along the way to the point a big studio would pick it up thinking to cash in.Only to realize oh wait, this was all just to get Viv's rocks off and she doesn't really care about anything then seeing her OCs flirt, frick and do big broadway wannabe music videos.
I blame her being insanely spoiled and mentally/emotionally stunted. Any other animator would give their left nut and work tirelessly to put out the very best content if given such an extraordinary opportunity.
In the end everyone will come away seeing the show as just a huge wasted potential and a chore to watch.
Do you have context for the grandad bucks? Is she just funded by her family?
This is the real core flaw with the show and people have been gaslit by so much relationship drama and tumblr pandering that they forget how fricking lame it is for a show about demons to not even really have anything demonic, satanic or infernal in it beyond LOL SEX!!!!111 and LOL HORNS!!!!111
Yeah, this is also why some people here like Mammon, Paimon and Stella so much. They actually behaved like, gasp, demons.
All her characters supposedly being from different eras, she could have based some interpersonal conflict on that, as well as some historical jokes.
That would require for her to be interested in history in some way.
Do you really think that a terminally online tumblr girl from america actually knows anything about history?
>Her setting literally being HELL meant she could've alluded to the already really cool biblical depictions of Hell, if not use them outright.
But she's a whiny b***h with no respect for religion (or christianity at least). She gets her sources from tumblr blogs and is constantly mixing christianity with judaism.
I'm not even religious but shit like this makes even me feel offended.
I myself liked initial idea of hell being depicted as a giant city of siners and the whole premise if one's sins can be forgiven.
I dipped the moment I realized Viv is incapable of writing a thought provoking story and plans on doing shit with the setting itself, turning it into some drama gay slop.
EP1's intro presents Lucifer, Lilith and the whole Garden of Eden thing from a perspective that could not be more left-hand path if they tried, and it perfectly explains why Charlie is the way she is, too.
>muh israelite-on-a-stick-ianity, bro she don't even know fr fr
The most hardcore Christians often don't even know what the frick the left-hand path even is, let alone the viewpoints it presents. To even get into it, you either have to be a raging moron or have a genuine interest in this stuff.
Anon, it is you who is the autist.
You're a moron, anon.
If you want to frick her, just say it.
I'm really just saying, that if you want to use any religion as a base for your story, you should do your research and not be a ignorant homosexual.
She claimed many times, that she did her research, but the writing shows opposite.
Shortened for a moron like you:
Don't write about something you know nothing about.
Most religion thumpers don't even know about the left-hand path. You usually only learn about it if you do genuine, legitimate research and don't get spooked by delving into the big, scary and great ooga wooga that is occultism, King Solomon, Demonolatry, and so on.
There is an entire layer to theology and mythology that you are missing out on here, Anon. This show plays out in Hell and follows Lucifer's daughter. They are to be commended for being so clearly inspired by the left-hand path instead of Bibletarding it up.
Solve et Coagula, homosexual. You should at least know this one.
>Most religion thumpers don't even know about the left-hand path.
Of course your tipical believer won't know about this, because why would the care about occultism?
I don't want to discredid Viv on this one. It actually looks like something she might agree with on some level and might be genuinely interested in. Who really knows?
But sorry, you just can't use this as your only argument.
I'll be kind and say it like this. I don't want her to be 100% accurate, cause that is just impossible. Some texts even contradict themselves.
I just think that you either should keep thing surface level or just don't be hardheaded when people point out some problems. It's Viv's problem, that she can't take any criticism.
>I don't want her to be 100% accurate,
It's stupid that she still picks and chooses which parts of a culture she wants to use. Using accurate demonic symbols isn't the smartest thing to do even if they're mostly made up larps. It's still connected to wicked spirits and demons.
Mostly why people complained about the vudoo stuff. She's just using these things without really knowing why they were created and to what context. And then puts them in marketing for commercial use. Very very stupid.
imagine it only gets to episodic redemption of various Sinners in Season 2, and it ends after S2 finale.
Pretty much is if she/A24 is looking to monetize the HH pilot or entirely removing it out of existence off of Youtube just because it is indeed, in fact, presumably better than the entire frickin' show and people already pointing out that the pilot at the very least had some labour of love at at least a semblancy of subtlety towards it unlike the Prime show.
It came back, it was accidentally removed while they're looking for the leaked episodes. Same reason the jans are removing threads.
I am not satisfied with how Val was written in his intro, even if he is more serious later I think this was way too much and destroyed any semblance of seriousness his character could have. If I was to rewrite it I would do it like this:
>First off. He doesn't kill a model. He takes her to the tower and as Vox arrives there after Velvette wants him to talk with him (because she is not stupid enough to try and Vox is closer to him) he is having fun times with her in the smoke. But he looks unamused.
>He notices Vox and gets up. The model seemingly is all over him and he gentle caresses her as Vox question what he is doing.
>Then in the next moment his gentle touch becomes harder and his claws dig into the skull of the model and he rips her in half. He is angry and wants to get it out somehow. Angel insulted him by leaving and wants to get him back.
>He wants to cause him pain. Wonders which gun will make hi m hurt more. Get him back and start making pure gore videos where Angel Dust is dismembered and made into mince meat over and over again, knowing it will most likely sell.
>Vox does not like this idea as Angel is with Lucifer's daughter and wants to talk him out of it.
>Valentino then places his hands over Vox and caresses him too.
I love you...
>Valentino says and he begins to talk sweetly to Vox who is getting unsure of what to do, but he persists which makes Val tighten his grip on his screen head.
>Vox then tries again, this time using the "Make them believe it was their idea" tactic which works for now.
>And then Val mentions Alastor which makes Vox suddenly on board with the idea, but in his own, more careful way.
There. Val in this case is no longer male discount Stella and instead actually has his own schtick. Not intelligent, but seductive time bomb. One that can switch from loving and charismatic to brutal and purely demonic. Where he is not a pure moron and actually feels like a menace by showcasing his strength and charisma.
So what do you guys think of this redesign concept? I like it.
looks really cool and he'd actually stand out among the sea of garish red almost everyone else has
Why did she make him an antelope instead of a deer? Lmfao
Cuz black ppl and africa or some moronic ass shit probably
I get the impression that a Deer has other racist connotations that are counter productive to making him being black and vudoo. Like the religion uses deer as apart of their sacrifices or DOESN'T and isn't allowed to touch deer. I'd have to look that up.
Also, America has antelope. Yeah, this design is an african antelope, but just saying that there are american ones.
Dumb move imo; people are dumb and don't know what a Antelope are but a Deer is much more common, so Deer it is, as it should be.
I prefer his current design, but that's definitely a better colour scheme
Looks based. Good job. I hope we get more redesigns so the Vivzie fans can shit themselves about it.
Current one is too closely associated with him, but this wouldn’t be bad for another voodoo guy. Reminds me of that guy from Princess And The Frog.
>Viv managed to get Keith David
>he's voicing husk
What the everloving frick was she thinking.
He should have voiced Valentino. I don't know how she managed to get it so wrong.
>There are two kinds of “adult” television: the kind that uses mature themes like violence and nudity to titillate, and the kind that uses them to tell more complex stories
That second kind of adult television hasn't existed in what, 15, 20 years in the US?
>Katie Killjoy's new voice
What the frick was Vivziepop thinking
She saw Brandon as Bryce Tankthrust and thought it’d be hilarious to cast him as Katie.
I bet Brandon brought up the idea and she thought it was soooo funny because she cant risk saying anything to upset her poor little Blitzy
She's obsessed with gay men like Brandon.
everyone basically just assumes she blew her budget on the Broadway VAs and since Katie is just a side character, she opted to just have Brandon whom she's kinda friends with voice her to save money
Personally I still think she specifically wanted to piss off anybody who liked Pilot Katie and who called her based for being homophobic. I recognize this idea is paranoid but I’m sticking by it.
I wonder how long this Hazbin thread purge is going to last before jannies realize not all of them are about the beatbox gooner porn.
Why are you all so upset about another adult cartoon thats LOL SEX DRUGS GAY? Is it because a Tumblrina and a Devianttard managed to get her way with it big time?
>why are people annoyed this hyped up show is mediocre and unfunny?
Because it’s tiresome…? Are you stupid?
With the exception of the last post, you all sound like the kind of moron who spends at least half an hour per day telling people on YouTube about how he dislikes the thing he just clicked on. Nobody should stop you from doing it, and nobody will, but you're still moronic.
I'd tell you to let me know when you'll hate-buy Hazbin merch, but you probably already did.
People have been autistically seething about it one way or another since the pilot came out nearly 5 years ago this October, none of this is anything new. And now that its actually coming out and its been proven to be baseless bullshit they’ll just grasp at whatever straws may be left to keep it up.
I'm aware, I just enjoy annoying morons like this. It's an easy way to waste a few minutes for cheap giggles.
>rude words
>drugs
>gay
>hell
>heaven is made out to be bad
>popufur tumblrina with her DONUT STEEL OCs, the archetype of easy trolling from Cinemaphile's now-ancient days, becomes more successful than 99% of posters on here and gets to be the biggest popfur tumblrina ever
Except the very last point, everything just sounds like conservaboomers pissing and shidding and farding and cumming their diapers because of a show that has like 8 EPs per season.
Oldgays enjoy Hazbin because of the tumblrina OC quality. These threads are so new, it hurts.
The problem isn’t the gay shit, sex jokes, and cursing itself, it’s the severe overuse of it since those are the only jokes Viv knows. It’s not funny or interesting when you say the same joke over and over.
But is only cartoon, why you hef to be mad?
>And now that its actually coming out and its been proven to be baseless bullshit
What's baseless? If you mean concerns about the objective quality of the show then literally every criticism anyone has every had about Viv from the HH pilot and 2 seasons of HB turned out to be true for the Amazon show.
People have been taking the piss out of Hazbin and Viv in general since the leaks, what baseless bullshit is there?
Almost everything people said were true, the character leaks were real, the voice acting ranges from pretty alright to bad and the pilot voices are still better, the songs are "eh" so far with Vox vs Alastor being the standout, the pacing is bad because it's rushing like crazy and it's only been 2 episodes but we already know the war is happening in season 1 just from the cards.
The show isn't a complete trashfire, sure. But it's not hard to see why people are criticizing it unless your only counting doomposters that just don't like the show in general.
Think they're talking about before the leaks.
When people learned Hazbin's animating studio was bento, they assumed the show would look like bob's burgers and be a rigged show. When the marketing got delayed, people assumed the show was going to have no marketing at all, that it was a sign A24 was abandoning the show.
There was a Cinemaphile shitpost a lot of people here took to be true, which implied that Viv got kicked off her own show and there wouldn't be a second season. There was another thing where an anonymous employer review was going around that made Spindle looked bad, but a trolling group admitted to submitting false reviews so it was taken down. Then recently there was an leak where the Hazbin production was accused of underpaying people, but the rate turned out to be fairly average for the industry with Helluva paying double that rate on average.
Literally almost every controversy that people have jerked each other off to here has been proven false or been discredited. Often threads about these things would be posted for weeks and you couldn't post a counter-point about without people dogpilling you. The Cinemaphile concensus has been fantasically wrong about this show for years, at least for most things.
>Spindle paying people poorly
>Hazbin
It shows you don't even know shit.
Spindle makes Helluva, Bento Box made Hazbin.
We know Bento is a shit company but what Spindle did was only offer 35$ per second of animation and it's still a very low offer for a big production. Noone was complaining about 60$ per second, but Lackadaisy was offering 53$ per second for entry.
Likewise, there's no confirmation if the employment contract comes with benefits, like working at a bigger studio. If it's all freelance, you have to pull money out for your taxes. You should get paid by the hour and they take the taxes out for you.
>When people learned Hazbin's animating studio was bento, they assumed the show would look like bob's burgers and be a rigged show.
The show does look like absolute shit though.
>Literally almost every controversy that people have jerked each other off to here has been proven false or been discredited
What about the pilot vas being used to promote the show and then tossed away for le musical talent.
Anon just go back to fapping to Vivz’ twink OCs and don’t worry about it.
Because it sucks. They all suck.
Shit like Brickleberry at least seems to know it's low-brow garbage and doesn't try to emotionally manipulate the audience by throwing dozens of uwu soft gay blorbo pitybait moments in the mix
You did not just use Brickleberry as an example of good animation.
The frick are you talking about, did you read the reply chain? I used Brickleberry as an example of another terrible cartoon that doesn't know how comedy works and just uses swearing/sex/drugs/gore in its stead, but in contrast to Hazbin it doesn't have pretentions of doing something deeper/emotional only to utterly fail.
>Zoomer show with shitty designs by DeviantArt thief and hack with writing embarrassing for a 14 year old is bad
Say it ain't so
This show is like that "zoomer humor" meme to me. I watch it and I don't understand what the frick is happening, where the jokes are supposed to land, who is related to whom in what way, why anything matters... Except instead of flashy memes and spastic editing it's a multi million dollar production kek
This part is interesting.
Both negative reviews I've read of this series say the same thing - by episode 4, it improves marginally.
It still won't be a masterpiece regardless, but I definitely think it's interesting.
>A traumatic experience on a film set reveals the pain behind Angel Dust's porn-star perssona
Let me guess
He took another willy.
#7,028,144
But this one...
>He didn't want! Gasp, horror
nifty is the best part so far, I hope she gets more screentime
>standing next to each other
>share two lines of dialog between them
they should FRICK
Yes!
No, Niffty will frick Pentious after he fixes her into liking good boys.
Cherri will later also hook up with Pent and have a threesome.
Kino if it happens
>Trying to get a threesome with an unhinged yandere girl who's almost certainly in Hell for murdering her bf in a fit of jealous rage
Are you sure about that?
Pentious can fix her
Same. She's cute and crazy, my favorite type.
What did Nifty do to get sent to hell?
she's sort of a murderous yandere so thats most likely why lol
Yandere
I can fix her.
>I like to be forced
what did she mean by this
does anyone have a link for me to watch the two episodes free
i'm not paying Vivienne Medisraelite 6 bucks.
Just watch it on Kiwifarms page 266 is where the first ep is, the 2nd one is on the next page
Forgot to mention it's in the specific Hazbin Hotel thread on KF, can't post direct links since apparently it's flagged as spam.
TOTAL
PENTIOUS
DEATH
>t. Seething Angel Dust
Cope spider, you are no longer our favorite
Of course he isn't, he's not Kovach anymore.
>Actually managed to damage Alastor's stuff, something he himself admits is a super rare occurrence
>The first to truly walk the road of redemption
>Might be the first to get redeemed, proving that gay Alastor wrong
>Supposedly becomes a General based on the cards
>Might score with Cherri
What an absolute CHAD
At least he does what he does best. Bro's living the dream
Episode 1 was like meh, Episode 2 was pretty good imo, RebelTaxi says it starts actually getting interesting around the mid point of the series and that it basically gets better the further the season goes on. So I’ll keep giving it a watch.
*mid point of season
Reminds me of "The End of the Creator-Driven Era in TV Animation" article. Do you think the fate will repeat, and the show will explode?
when?
Having Angel Dust get skullfricked to death by Valentino while the rest of the hotel is forced to watch was…unexpectedly kino. Bravo Viv.
>Hazbin hotel when getting back review
>They are all from Black and Latinos critics
Is Hazbin hotel racist or something? Only white and Asian critics liking it.
Viv is latina
Therefore other latinos aren't afraid to actually criticize her since she can't claim racism and Viv can't do that blacks either
>People who are the most anti-lgbt giving Hazbin hotel bad reviews
>Black and Latinos are more religious in america than whites are giving a show about demons and god is evil bad reviews
Why are white people shock by this?
Hi Viv
>look up porn of Octavia
>literally almost all of it is her fricking her dad
I don't get it. You guys told me this show's fanbase was women, not coomers.
Weird i know
Cute bird
How does one go about repairing Octavia's optimism and self esteem? Hard mode: without having Stella and/or Blitzo assassinated.
Stella rides off into the sunset and never shows up again, Blitzo quits being an assassin and finally learns good acting/performance skills, and Stolas figures out how to not be a shit parent.
Also Octavia gets a BF who is actually a decent person with no hidden nasty side.
>Also Octavia gets a BF who is actually a decent person with no hidden nasty side.
Is such a thing even possible? They are literally in hell.
Hell is more of a slightly shittier California in every other ring since sinners only exist in the Pride ring. Hellborn demons are the native species that are basically just humans with extra steps, there's probably some decent guy out there for Octavia.
It's unironically 60% fujos and 40% coomer furries.
>No! How dare they swear and joke about sex! They need to be like bone chilling spine tingling British comedies like Father Ted and Monty Python which aren’t actually funny and we just pretend are funny!1
-15/10 bait.
I watched the episodes. Episode 1 is borderline unwatchable. Song is cool I guess. Episode 2 is better but only because I liked Vox. Songs were cool too. If I'll give Viv any credit, it will be the musical aspect of this shit, it might have payed off.
>Hazbin’s concepts of mature themes and comedy match up with those of a 15-year-old boy.
So....adult cartoons match up with older teenagers? You don't say? Almost like cartoons were made for kids or something. How pathetic does a 20 to 30 something have to be to complain that cartoons aren't catering to their sensibilities?
-16/10 bait.
Because it's sad when Viv is like 31 (going to be 32 this year) and thinks her shows are the pinnacle of her comedy and "adult 18+ content," and should be taken as relatable and sympathetic.
>Almost like cartoons were made for kids or something.
This philosophy only exists in the Americas and even then it only started in the 60s due to parental activists like Peggy Charren thinking stuff like Looney Tunes and Popeye would turn kids into violent rapists. Causing most cartoons to become mindless fluff that played it safe until the 90s
Ironic, a bitter, israeli c**t with a huge mom complex is who killed animation as a medium
I fricking hate parents who shove their bullshit on other peoples kids. Ruin your own children and frick off.
Sometimes this board proves she's right though.
Cartoons didnt do this to us. We do this to each other.
And even if it was the cartoons, a lot of us are the proof that the safe kiddy sanitized crap that she was in favor of like care bears are just as likely to turn us into weird angry perverts as the stuff she was against.
This motherfricker's song has been stuck in my head since I saw the leak, help me.
Sexo with Vox!
Viv getting israelite’d out of her decade-long project by the very corporations she licks the feet of makes me lol beyond relief.
If Viv actually has God make a cameo appearance, what would be the best way to do it? Something like Prince of Egypt where he manifests through fire and speaks at a whisper?
I’d like it if there were a very high tier and less assholish angel (I think Sera is supposed to be the name of an upcoming character that might fit this role?) who at some point makes allusions to a higher power that is their boss or to their personal friend upstairs. And that’s it. I don’t want God to show up on screen, just for other characters to mention having known him and to maybe pass along messages from him.
I wonder just how the angel hierarchy even works in heaven for HH since Adam was human but he gets to lead the entire exorcist operation and became an angel. Just how much power does Sera have in the society there.
She's supposed to be a Seraphim so i guess she most be really relevant (assuming of course that Viv doesn't do the same thing she did with the Cherubs here)
Lucifer is also a seraphim in this show if his wings are anything to go by so maybe he used to be in a high position too? Maybe it'll be a plot point that they knew each other really well or were friends. Because making Lucifer a seraphim seem like a deliberate choice and not just so he can look cool with 6 wings.
Do we even know if Adam is THE Adam or if he's just some guy named Adam
Nope, everybody knows at this point that this is THE Adam, there aren't any doubts about that no more
Silly man
Yup, THE Adam, just not the one we are familiar with.
She probably took inspuration from The book of Mormon. There's the whole thing about Adam being the archangel Michael from what I know.
I have no idea why she chose this.
Probably because of Lilith so it can create more drama
What's Eve gonna look like? Imagine the catfighting
>Aggressive, tsundere blonde goth gf
>Redheaded nature-loving bimbo with huge breasts
Which way, progenitor of mankind?
Adam wanted to go for the first option, but she was too much of a b***h, so in the end he had to settle with the second one (He appears to still be sore about it)
>LORD, I appreciate what you're doing for me, but tsunderes are CRINGE. Please fix this!
>"Understood and sorry, my son. Wife.v2 will be online soon. Now hold still, this might hurt."
You mean Adam was BASED
He claims he’s The Adam. He says he is the original dick, that all other dicks descend from.
It's been 6500 fricking years. When's he gonna let it go? It was just a prank
He is, but he's also largely a case of in name only. Outside of his name and background, he pretty much has nothing to do with Adam. He seems to have a lot more in common with the archangel Michael if anything.
Personally I’d dig it if said angel gets possessed or some shit for a few seconds and starts saying something cryptic in some distorted voice or whatever. Literally turning them into the actual voice of God.
Yeah I could get behind that. I was also thinking maybe He could send a letter for a character to read. The really important thing is that I don’t want Him showing up onscreen. I don’t trust HH to make a good design or characterization for Him, so they’re better off keeping Him at least a bit mysterious.
Though I do think that keeping Him that one extra degree separate and allowing other characters to only speak of Him second hand and keep him entirely offscreen is an option that holds its own merit as well. But, like I said, I can also see and get behind Him using an angel as a puppet to talk to somebody more directly. Because if He exists in this universe, it’s natural for the audience to be curious and want some level of delivery.
These these character designs were absolutely wasted on a shit product.
Should have been for a comic or indie videogame than animation.
have a nice day
I'm Vivziepop
have a nice day I hate you
Stans are just going to say "only audience scores matter", like any other loser when their fav film has low scores on rotten tomatoes.
I love Husk so much bros
put on some clothes homie
I wanna hear Husk say homie he has n-word priveleges
>a-anon? what are you doing? put on some pants homie
I doubt viv would change his original human appearance just for the voice
>no dick
>no balls
>and probably no butthole
It's a Vivzie show, he definitely all the necessary parts.
>I love Husk so much bros
Why?
Grumpy tsundere boys are my fave
have the eps been uploaded anywhere yet
https://sys.Cinemaphile/derefer?url=https%3A%2F%2Fdrive.google.com%2Ffile%2Fd%2F1-y-aZJO3O0q3z3sidUz4sncOc7DVay4R%2Fview
Love this man
He's chonky
I think that Adam being an angel gives some precedence to the notion that all dead human souls that go to heaven just become angels once they die. Same way we know the show calls all dead sinner human souls “demons,” or sometimes “demons,” “sinners” or “souls” interchangeably, and we know they all show up in Hell transformed into a furry or some other inhuman scary monster thing even though they used to be regular people.
Like how in classic cartoons, when a character goes to the good place, they get wings and a halo and a harp and get called an angel, and when they go to the bad place, they get horns and a tail and a pitchfork and get called a devil. Even though that’s not really how christianity works and it’s more like symbolic visual shorthand.
Also, now that I’m thinking of it: Did Vivzie name Charlie as a reference to the mormon dog movie?
Then why hellborn exists?
Is there actually difference between "natives" and souls of the dead?
This is not a kids story, some logical lore is required.
>This is not a kids story
It kind of is. It’s a cartoon mideled after disney kiddy shit and the only things that really make it adult are the swearing and sex. I know we want it to deliver more actual maturity than that, but let’s be real, it’s probably not trying that hard.
it basically is a kids' show that coincidentally has cursing.
Not when it wants to be story and character-driven but fails at it.
So which one impregnated the other?
Lucifer got pregnant.
Too bad that is going to be revealed that she's not the real Lilith, and that the real one has been cucking him with Alastor kek
Site in question is notorious for hating any show/film that has sex as a theme or brought up often in dialogue. U really gonna hang onto this?
>gooner this
>gooner that
Did "coomer" get posted so much that ot got filtered or is someone trying to change internet vernacular?
can't wait for the wikipedia article to be litsed as "mixed reception" instead of "Greatest hit ever!"
Can't wait for you to start taking your meds.
Make them free and I will troony. do it while I vote against it
So, out of Val and Vox, which one is the man in the relationship?
Verb
What do you think?
Vox is a power bottom.
Hazbin is already a success by any internet standard.
People have a hard time with this concept but something only needs to be enjoyable for it to be a success both money wise and reception wise, and Hazbin and Helluva have both been massively enjoyable.
Clearest example is these threads on this fricking board. You got homosexuals trying to start up fights but most of the talk around the show is people being horny for characters or soul posting them. This basically already shows people have gotten attached to stuff from the show and that's all it needed.
No executive on the planet cares that "The Ultimate Adult Cartoonist2005" on Youtube finds the worldbuilding or lore in your show lacking.
This is why RWBY has continued so far and still looks to do so despite all the Warhammer40k fans spending their evenings on /trash/ hating on it. Its a show that has enjoyable things and sells merch. You don't need anything else.
"success" for now. give it a few years and the general consensus will be, "well it was objectively overhyped mediocrity, but the competition wasn't exactly stiff at the time."
Do you really think these threads would exist if people hated the show?
No one here has said Hazbin wasn't popular, the pilot was extremely well received and people liked the premise idea. Meanwhile Helluva's pilot was also well liked and the premise was also intriguing, but the show started spiralling and season 2 has been more melodrama then the actual hook of the series.
People here have waited years for Hazbin and criticism, shitposting and doomposting are what is to be expected of any topic here. You'd have to be a newbie not to understand that.
People in 10 years time should have more tempered views on it and realize it's really not that good, in premise or execution. But they still found some of the characters attractive or something back then and that was good enough for them, even if everything else was lacking.
I said it in another thread but I think Viv is a look at what's gonna happen when the Tumblr generation are all grown up.
As much of an eyesore as they were, Tumblr's larger design approach always involved communicating a sense of personality through the small quirks in a character's design and a lot of what Vivzie does is still rooted in that but with more discipline, cutting off a lot of the bells and whistles to focus on a few core aspects while maintaining the positives of that philosophy.
"Can you believe we would stan this show?"
"Honestly I was dumb and young and hadn't consumed much media yet. HH and HB was colorful and flashy enough to keep my ADHD mind occupied."
"Actually guys, Hazbin Hotel was sort of problematic and toxic."
"The merchandise was where it was at, it was like being in the cool kids club."
'Hazbin Hotel and Helluva Boss could NEVER be made today and here's why."
"Hazbin Hotel and Helluva Boss is garbage and HERE'S why."
"Hazbin Hotel did not age well.. yikes!!"
Does she not realize that her main audience are teenagers? Most normal adults who have lives don't have time for her trash.
Speak for yourself. I'm 30. I work in a stressful job that puts me under lots of pressure and requires basically all of my brainpower on a daily basis. I gravitate towards low effort slop entertainment as a break.
Please stop abusing yourself like that. There's better slop in this world.
We need more smiling friends episodes.
No.
get married
impregnate wife
More worrisome is the people in their late 20s, 30s, or beyond on Twitter who stan this show and adore Vivzie.
>merchandise
The Helluva Boss plushies were never good, they always looked off. Their "limited edition" stuff also seems like a ruse and designs might be recycled.
It probably won't age well, because of its reliance on dick jokes and some nonsense over complicated designs like Queen Bee.
Valentino is a good boy.
good boy for vox
What does the exterminator angels remind you of?
The Purge kind of feels?
The urge to breed
>She’d first gained a following there with her animated, unofficial music videos, with her own characters lip-syncing to popular songs
Lmao obviously seething industrygay
What emotion is Lucifer's expression trying to convey, here?
he's wondering why nobody in Hell has an ass
Lust
How do we fix her?
Kill or change her entirely
by giving her a human bf (me)
You can't handle her.
the reward worths a try
I know who could...
How would Stolas feel about this?
> only time will tell
The black dragon ball Z nerd or whatever it is Charlie porn spam is a a plot by Vivzie, to get all Hazbin threads nuked so no one can upload a MEGA/encode of the episodes when they drop.
>as they do on an annual basis—a process which, in the series, speeds up by six months after Charlie accidentally pisses off the angels in charge
no b***h can even remeber the plot the meeting is to tell hell the next extimination will be in 6 months, its why charly gets the change to talk to adam
So, has anyone got a link to the Alastor v. Vox song?
It seems to have been nuked off of YouTube.
What is it about Moxxie that makes him so irresistibly attractive to the women of hell?
hot
he cute
He needs some dick.
Well if these ‘my grandad works at Nintendo’ level people on twitter are to be believed we’re going to be seeing him GIVE DICK in great detail in Episode 4
Bratty moth needs correction!
What exactly will be the lore reveal for why Alastor refuses to allow himself to be recorded or photographed?
Autism
It's a bit of a mystery. He just doesn't like the new shit, so he decided to frick it up. But at least there's a charm to the old stuff that just keeps on going. Hell, we've seen how Vox is capable of causing the city to have a blackout, but as for why Al refuses to be seen through digital means, I still am stumped on that.
>He just doesn't like the new shit,
Until episode 2 where he knows what podcasts and buffering are and uses unironic 2020s memespeak
Yeah, he's been AWOL for 7 years, and only just recently did he start to get back into the swing of things. That's definitely a drastic change. He just ABSORBED that shit fast
Unless he was never gone. Or unless wherever he was was keeping him hip to that jive (like Earth)
I'd guess he just played along just to make the Vee's suffer more, especially Vox. V O X.
I guess he could be an angel or human or some third thing that is disguised as a demon. Like how Eve and Lillith are in disguise and probably one or both of them is working with him on whatever it is they are secretly up to.
That, or there’s somebody out there who he doesn’t want to have see him and recognize him visually.
She’s she needs to start ignoring criticism. Why does she keep letting it get to her so much?
Same reason as anyone.
Ego.
Stfu gay.
I'm older than her and you're supposed to block them. Why is she engaging with minors?
From what I understand that post was made in reaction to a bunch of Fetuses harassing fans and artists of the show for doing angst art or Fan Merch of Angel Dust and Valentino for 'glorifying sexual assault', some of said artists were victims of sexual assault however. Or some crazy shit like that.
What post is she talking about?
She's falling for easily offended morons and ragebaiters who are freaking out over how Angel gets raped. All we have now is this ten second clip: https://files.catbox.moe/qelpo5.mp4.
People are claiming they've seen the full scene and that it's super fricked up, but they're not backing any of their claims up so I'm assuming it's bullshit, in all likelihood judging by what we have it's just going to be an extended version of what we saw in the Addict MV and I doubt there's going to be this long scene of Val going down on Angel. I hate Viv and she's equally as moronic for raging at these people.
are there any other creators who act this thin-skinned just a few days before their fake-edgy dream project is supposed to release?
>make a show specifically made to appeal to these types of people
>they hate it, and start massive campaigns to tell people how much you suck
never gets old
>Hello, owlet! Good news! I sold your mother to Mammon in exchange for beachfront property on the Greed ring! She'll be too busy getting tags: DILF fat_bastard mindbreak ahegao marathon_sex forced_orgasm to bother us anymore!
How does she respond?
Frick Val
Marry Vox
Hug Velvet
I can totally see this. Vox is a dude you just love to want to know better. Velvette's that kind of gal you'd have to cope with.
Valentino... Hm, that's a b***h right there
*Frick Vox
*Marry Vox
*Hug Vox
Fixed
Bullying Alastor with all three of them at once!
GREMLIN TIME?
Would streamers count as TV or social media, or are they gonna have to add a 4th V (V for vtuber lol)?
Kek! Threads. Why the frick do you wanna be there? Instagram I understand but really? Threads?
Because it’s a safe space. Literally nobody uses it anymore. The only people still on there are leftist who hate Elon
She's not even on Blue sky? Like there isn't a community for her content there that's for sure but it doesn't have half as many children.
>Season 1 ends with video killing the radio star
Thanks for pointing that out. No sarcasm either. Her designs are trash.
They're twins.
Obviously it's Vox being so insecure he copied Alastor's fit.
Yes, same skinny guy in suit and bowtie over and over again.
So did anyone actually end up ripping the vivzie early-access Q&A and putting it in a MEGA?
Suddenly I'm into hypno....
I never expected him to use hypnosis too... Or they're just too simpleminded..
We've met two definitive antagonists so far and both of their main power seems to be hypnosis and Pentious who may not be hypnosis, but can do some sorta stun if you look at his hood.
Yeah, that's a normal snake thing, that ain't gonna be effective as much. VOX, on the other hand, HOO BOY that's gonna be something.
>Pentious can hypnotize too
Ohh Viv... do you have any idea of what you are going to unleash?
that's just stun
vox is complete brainwashing
Post Rosie.
PLEASE please don't be just a disguise
What if as a compromise...It IS Lilith...but she is 'stuck' as Rosie permanently at this point?
Vox sissy hypno when?
yes please
Less vague posting and straight up saying it in Instagram. She thinks her rape fantasy scene is speaking for "SA survivors". Can't run from it all Viv.
Why does she care and b***h that much about a bunch of people that will dislike her shit no matter what? Isn't she aware that her having thin skin is one of the reasons why she's so infamous?
Her PR skills are terrible. Why call them "leeches"?
>Person with a rape fetish
So as evidenced by sales of certain books and the FanFiction community, the majority of women.
I really don't think that's the problem. You can make any content you want and you don't need to be sexually assaulted to be into the kink.
The stupidity is that she's straight up shit talking any criticism and making the problem bigger than it is. If she didn't respond, most people wouldn't care. Calling them leeches and letting children get under your skin is stupid. She's the death of her own series.
Embarrassing attitude to have as an creator/author
Why is this stupid b***h even replying to them at all, this isn't rocket science just ignore them until they frick off in a few days.
This is so embarrassing either way. If it’s good criticism or if it’s bad criticism, ITS A FRICKING TWITTER POST DONT RESPOND MORON. It’s insane to think if I made a twitter account, posted obvious bait that got ten likes, I could get a reaction from Vivizie.
She's already endorsed calling her critics "subhumans," so...
Because there's a whole crowd of people that seeks out every microagression somebody ever makes in order to profit off of smear articles. She needs to learn to just ignore these morons and be unapologetic about her creations.
Yeah like even just, hey sorry about this, here's a trigger warning. If you're not into this that's ok. Still don't kink shame or spread misinformation but it's nice of you to care about someone's sensitives.
That's a lot of words so even saying nothing would be better than what she does
Am I missing something here? Have people seen the full scene and if so link it. I hate Viv but only Tumblrtards should throw a fit about what I've seen of it. https://files.catbox.moe/qelpo5.mp4
There might be more to it than that. Cause the rape stuff is before the song number and the song number is about Loving the non con stuff.
It's a mix of people thinking this is "bad" when it's a nothing burger Viv is blowing up by engaging with them this way.
the same guy? now he breached the prime servers?
12 year olds are not supposed to be posting on Cinemaphile
If you think "rape fantasy scene" is problematic you need to have a nice day, you fricking turd for brains.
Goddamn, as a society we desperately need a genocide on all the twitter dipshits.
We literally do not have enough content to form such an opinion yet. Let's give viv the benefit of the doubt here and wait for the show to drop.
It seems like a bunch of this board just wants to be mean to her for the sake of it.
That scurried here from tumblr/twitter.
You don't need to give anyone the "benefit of the doubt" because there is literally nothing wrong with enjoying rape and non-con with fictional characters in the first place, and anyone who disagrees should get violated by a rusty knife.
Rosie is pretty.
Does Rosie ever peg Alastor?
Maybeee
If we're talking about rape fetishes, then for me, it's Katie Killjoy rape correction
Would rather watch her rape and bully her co-anchor
cool, vivziepop is throwing a fit again.
Dang, she took that bait hard.
Someone draw her biting a fish hook.
make her look like that one moronic-looking fish wojak as well
Adult women responding to obvious bait with 37 likes, cussing and swearing like a child. Why can’t any modern showrunners be professional and grown up?
it's literally bait coming from a fishman too, kek
I'm not one of the types who's raging over the Angel and Val scene, but didn't she literally make a hah hah cum joke in reference to that scene? she doesn't really think all of this through.
Why did you post this image of a pig squealing? What does this have to do with Hazbin Hotel?
What colour hair would look nice on Charlie?
Platinum blonde.
I don't like the Bible at all, man. Talking about vudoo which is very specifically NOT the Bible. None of the demonology is mentioned in the Bible.
>Autistic
Yes but you didn't read .
I don't read posts beyond two sentences if reek like a fanboy sperging out because a franchise didn't pander to his very specific preferences.
That's why you like this shit show. Explains a lot. F.
Please, I just want people to have reading comprehension.
The whole point is simply pick one and stay with it.
It's like having greek gods in your show, but half of them have roman names instead of the original greek ones.
I agree but real question, if you picked the Roman names could it be relevant to the story? Like if it was set in Rome?
The Greek names are better, bte.
If the scene is literally just that clip of the BDSM shit and THIS is what their crying about, Then their fricking moronic and im team Vivzie.
It would be funny if their not lying about how 'graphic' it is and it's actual hentai levels, dick in ass etc lmao
I want God....god dammit.
Holy shit, that's a terrible design.
Is it a vivzie parody? This nails her quirks perfectly.
yeah it is from a fanfic that tries to emulate her artstyle.
I think the one thing I like about it is the cape which references psalms and the eyes being outside of the body.
Also we need Cain and Abel sometime in this series.
It used to be the most popular fan interpretation of him from back in the days
God should always be a disembodied voice like in https://youtube.com/watch?v=XYW-lmfbk2Y&pp=ygUUcHJpbWNlLm9mIEVneXB0IGJ1c2g%3D
>God possesses the fireplace in Lucifer's bedroom and whispers for him to support Charlie's hotel
Would be kino
Vizie literally laughed at the idea of Jesus showing up at the end of the series
we will never get to see him bros 🙁
>guy’s deal is being an everyman carpenter
>put him in a fancy spotless white suit like some dapper ass lord of the manor
What is this bullshit?
bruh have you read the first chapter of revelation?
y'all clearly haven't read the bible
i like the seven-eyed bleeding lamb with seven horns version Jesus
I thought that image of Persian Jesus was a meme, I remember Cinemaphile being really butthurt about it
I WILL fix her.
Nope, after years of being overshadowed by HB, HH is now the focus
HH was more popular than HB for a while, at the beginning. To be honest, HB was heavily carried (and it still is in a way) by Loona coomer gays.
When this bread hits 500 and gets to page 9 should we try to make another thread with Hazbin Hotel as the subject? Or will jannies just nuke it again?
It should mainly focus on the hotel itself too.
No i meant in the subject field.
Yesterday, Like 5 people tried to make Hazbin threads and they all got killed because of the amount of beatboxerxCharlie spam.
Ok
Do we have a rip of the Q&A yet?
I'm gonna be honest, Twitter kinda encourages the need to explain yourself but hiding the tweet really didn't prevent the backlash.
>make art
>get funded by mummy and daddy
>people criticize said art
>obvious trolling and rage bait on TWITTER
>"I'M A VICTIM OF UNENDING HARASSMENT!!!!11"
is she serious
She is willingly engaging in the suffering by taking part in twitter bullshit in the first place. Nothing anybody says there even matters
Ayy lmao is on the case!! he'll expose the Hazbin hatedom!
>”Quick! Someone go get Vivzie her corn! She’s trashing the sty again!”
>”UEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!”
She doesn’t even need to take the criticism given to her imo, a lot of it is just bad faith nitpicking by 15 - 20 year old nobodies ( not all, I’m highly critical myself. ).But I don’t know why she doesn’t just ignore it or delete twitter entirely since it’s pure cancer.
Not that I care what content people make but why does being an SA victim make it okay to fetishze rape?
They killed the thread... What do now?
Make another
It could absolutely stop being highschool. You're the one that encouraged it. You peeked and never had much else to worry about, huh?
I meant this as a jab at viv. Were her statements not self evidently deserving of mockery.
Are they wanting us to wait for this one to die or what?
I hate how gay the internet has gotten. If you want to draw rape kink art just do it, stop with this moralizing of: I’m a SA survivor. ( sexual assault being another weasel word for people who weren’t actually raped but want to claim victim status)
Moral of the story, if you must use Twitter try not to take it seriously.