I could see it since they were both science accidents, but I think they're the black/white one given how important the mortality system was to their games.
https://i.imgur.com/Hj9FRk2.jpg
Will Galactus vs Unicron ever happen?
If they aren't completely Brandonbrained, it'll be the ? finale.
But the premier flubbed what could have been a GOAT fight and the second may show new levels of Swank bias. All signs point to this being a shit season.
Not a hard one, but there was still a "You can be the hero or the villain" aspect to it.
Otto you’re a comic is this thing
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About it being canon Galactus folds to Unicron true?
Frick no. If anything, the implication is that Unicron was the previous Galactus that existed in Galan's universe but instead of dying as a Galactus should, Unicron decided to continue on as a void-monster.
Pic related but switch the two characters' positions, change R Mika's pic so that she's in her classic wrestling oufit but still sexy looking, and change the "DB vs" to a more generic but cool looking "VS" logo.
They did not say that. They just said DBverse gets solo'd by him.
>Meanwhile, Vegeta had no way to match the God-Blast, which could have killed friggin' Galactus! And that guy has threatened the infinite multiverse with destruction just as a side-effect of his battles. That's a level of power beyond anything we've seen in Dragon Ball yet, let alone Vegeta.
Well considering his 2v1 against Other and Scrier was gonna destroy the entire multiverse according to Oblivion then it would be weird if they didn't say that.
I'm talking about straight up taking it and tanking it
Morg, Gabriel the Air-Walker, and one of the Mad Celestials all got hit by the Nullifier and all survived, no bullshit involved. They just got hit and kept living anyway. I also recall a comic where someone just bends the beam around back at the user via space manipulation but I can't find it.
Silver Surfer 109, the Ultimate Nullifier seemingly erases Morg and Tyrant, they are presumed dead. Later come Annihlation Wave Annihilus finds their perfectly intact and unerased bodies and uses what power cosmic they have left as batteries, which seemingly kills them for real this time.
Later in Fantastic Four (vol. 6) #41 it turns out Morg is actually alive and well after both the nullifier and annihlus. Later still come SIlver Surfer Rebirth it urns out Tyrant is also alive and well.
11 months ago
Anonymous
*also Air Walker got caught in the Nullifier blast int he same issue but he just astral projected his conscious into another body and he was fine come Annihilation Wave.
11 months ago
Anonymous
*Arishem also gets hit by a blast from the Nullifier, but tanks it until Reed is unable to keep up with the mental strain of using the Nullifier and dies.
Arishem is perfectly fine afterwards, even after getting hit it appears to take some time to actually be able to harm someone like him, and if they don't finish the job in time or get distracted then he can just shrug it off.
11 months ago
Anonymous
Why is he struggling? The dude has the Infinity, and one gem negates the physical drawback while the other denies the mental weakness. Also, he's supposed to be the most intelligent man in Marvel.
11 months ago
Anonymous
I thought the IG alone was enough to make the Celestials it's b***h.
11 months ago
Anonymous
I'm not sure this would apply. Tyrant's pet drone hijacked Morg's body and fused the Nullifier to him, and in this state Morg managed to liquify most of Tyrant's body with a single shot, so I doubt Morg would survive the same output... and it was physical output and not the implicate order destruction which tends to accompany the Nullifier's most daunting descriptions >Fantastic Four (vol. 6) #41
Lemme guess... Slott? If so we can discard this
11 months ago
Anonymous
But they both did survive though. They tanked it, they healed, they lived and came back the same as ever. Galactus himself said he had to teleport to an alternate dimension to avoid the blast, so it's obviously the full Nullification they got hit with and were fine anyway.
The Nullifier doesn't have a "physical" or "implicate order" setting either. It has a button, you press it, it blasts at you. If you tanked it, you tanked all of it.
11 months ago
Anonymous
I'm not talking about "settings" like it's some Star Trek weapon. Your understanding of the Ultimate Nullifier is directly correlated to how you use it. In this case Morg liquified Tyrant's legs with the UN's energy but didn't wipe him from history the way its full output is supposed to do. Don't be disingenuous
11 months ago
Anonymous
>Your understanding of the Ultimate Nullifier is directly correlated to how you use it
Post a single scan saying this. The Ultimate Nullifier erases, it doesn't have a setting for "only destroy the body but not the rest". If that were the case Galactus wouldn't have had to run away from it.
And it didn't even manage to destroy their bodies, lmao.
11 months ago
Anonymous
Like I said it doesn't have a "setting". Most people wouldn't have a prayer if you're talking about using it without killing yourself. An inexperienced user can collapse the entire universe and, it seems, in Morg's case, only liquify. You display a remarkable ignorance of how the UN works if you think what Galactus and Morg took was the literal output of the Nullifier getting fired at them. Tyrant is >>> Morg, why would Morg take less damage from it than Tyrant did? The UN is a thing which destroys, body and spirit across time, it engulfs you, why would it have concussive force?
Why wasn't Tyrant wiped from the timeline if Morg hit him with the full esoteric properties and it was enough to chew through his ass? The only options we have are PIS or my hypothesis, nothing in between. Make your choice.
11 months ago
Anonymous
>it wasn't the full output of the Nullifier because... >because I said so OK???
Lmao
They weren't wiped out because they tanked it. The ultimate nullifier jobbing doesn't create a new plotline where it "wasn't using its full power". It jsut means it jobbed and they tanked it.
11 months ago
Anonymous
I didn't say that. You're arguing with your histrionic imaginary friends, which are derived from your own mind. And then misusing the term jobbing. You're so pathetic...
Morg, Gabriel the Air-Walker, and one of the Mad Celestials all got hit by the Nullifier and all survived, no bullshit involved. They just got hit and kept living anyway. I also recall a comic where someone just bends the beam around back at the user via space manipulation but I can't find it.
Alright, I guess this one's the official thread since thumbnail anon's here?
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>g-darmanitan strength's is mentioned in the dex
I thought you said statements were off-limits?
Even then, Darm's best strength feat from the dex is destroying a dump truck with one punch (and that's Unovan, not Galarian). Nowhere near moonbusting/planetbusting levels of strength.
This already has a canonical answer of Unicron mogging the frick out of Galactus, and even if it didn't one of these guys obliterates entire universes and the other occasionally eats some planets.
One sad trend I've noticed is people writing stories just to make people universe busters or whatever. I think that ruins part of the fun of battleboarding, that we have these stories and can extrapolate from them, rather than custom-making someone who can pummel Goku.
Unicron used to canonically be the thing Galactus ran the frick away from once upon a time in Marvel prior to them losing the Transformers right, and even then it actually stayed canon ala the DC cross overs for like 40 something years prior to them finally deciding they wanted to make up a new backstory they could actually reference directly and use in modern comics.
>Unicron used to canonically be the thing Galactus ran the frick away from once upon a time in Marvel prior to them losing the Transformers right >Making shit up
>He doesn't fricking know
newbie detected. Read old comics, moron.
Back when they had the rights to Transformers and got around to Unicron and his whole "Chaos Bringer, Annihilator of Universes" thing they made him responsible for obliterating the previous versions of the universe, including where Galactus came from because back then they used to try to weave their licensed comics into the main marvel narrative, it's like how Rom is actually important to a shitload of X-Men and to a lesser extent Skrull shit because he was at the center of the first real "Crisis" type event back in the day with the Dire Wraith invasion and shit like Rogue's becoming a not shit person and so on.
Coincidentally Rom also had Galactus eat shit at one point when he tried to eat the Dark Nebula and got his ass beat when he couldn't stomach it.
Galactus saw that his fight with Mephisto was going nowhere so he decided to begin eating Mephisto's universe, which was credible enough of a threat that Mephisto agreed to a ceasefire. Galactus violated the natural order of things by consuming magic and threatened the fabric of the multiverse. Galactus fighting the Other and Scrier were about to destroy the entire multiverse had Thor, Rachel Grey (?) and Norrin not stopped them. Galactus is the great filter and a cosmic abstract which stands in between Eternity and Death... he eats one planet at a time because why would he do more?
Mephisto just wanted to avoid losing all his shit and having to get new stuff, his counterparts and peers like the Fear Lords and Many Angled Ones have mogged the frick out of multiple Abstracts before, the ones that actually matter even rather than canonical in name only types like Galactus and the Celestials.
On that topic 1/3rd of the fricking Vishanti had to be talked down so that Agamotto wouldn't just fricking kill Galactus back when Galactus tried the same shit on him.
What a biased view. Galactus went toe to toe with Mephisto, the archetypal Hell-Lord, just fine before going scorched earth, which was an even bigger threat to the demon. Usually when the Fear Lords get up to some shenanigans it's got context behind it. Nightmare wasn't more powerful than Eternity, he just cast a spell to put him to sleep, it was the whole point of the story. It's heavily implied Eternity allowed this to happen at all because he knew it would be resolved anyway, and he proceeded to squash both Nightmare and Juggs with a wave of his all-encompassing hand. The Many Angled Ones assumed power and founded the Cancerverse because Death had been done away with, but when it was freed it was a wrap. Galactus fought Agamotto in the latter's own dimension and held his own, with the remaining 2/3 of the Vishanti intervening because the two were sending havoc across other dimensions not limited to Oshtur and Shoggoth's own
>held his own >in a fight where Agamotto was mainly annoyed his stuff was being smashed and Galan was being a little twat. >Where Galactus is going balls to the wall and clearly accomplishing nothing while Agamotto plays with him like an ant.
Not him anon but like, sure, that's how that fight was going. Agamotto's mom and her furry boy toy literally step in because Agamotto was getting pissed enough that he was going to straight up kill Galactus over meaningless bullshitand neither were going to back down because they were egotistical buttholes.
Lmao. Okay, Agamotto. Galactus was mulching all of your M-Bodies and destroying your realm and there was nothing you could do about it. Oshtur and Shoggoth showed up to stop you from doing something idiotic, which is to fight Galactus. BECAUSE IT WAS DESTROYING OTHER DIMENSIONS THAN YOUR OWN.
11 months ago
Anonymous
>Shoggoth
Hoggoth*
My apologies, Agamotto
11 months ago
Anonymous
>M-Bodies and destroying your realm
Anon I....
Its cute you think that Elder Gods and high tier shit in Marvel Magic like Agamotto use M-Bodies I guess. Galactus was eating literally nothing. He was getting bamboozled because he canonically knowns dick frick all about magic, he wasn't eating anything other than metaphorical shit in that fight.
Even the shit he was destroying was pointed out to just be the equivalent of Agamotto's TV reception. They make a point of showing that with Agamotto smugging it up and sitting down to watch the new shit that replaced it the moment Galactus left like nothing had ever happened. He was just pissed off at the upstart fricking with his cable and lipping off to him.
11 months ago
Anonymous
That's precisely what he was doing. He was making physical manifestations of himself, which we know as M-Bodies. Whether or not they come from Anthropomorpho. It's like calling a wildcat a kitty. >Galactus was eating literally nothing.
They were engaged in a stalemate, and Galactus hadn't so much as threatened to eat Agamotto's realm. Galactus at least vaporized Agamotto's forms and his memory bubbles. >He was just pissed off
That the battle was a no contest and Galactus got away with vaporizing his immediate entertainment. I've yet to hear you declare your departure from the notion that Oshtur and Hoggoth showed up to defend Galactus because he was oh so weak next to the worm. The fight was a blatant way to show you they were evenly matched with Agamotto having home field advantage. Strange mused that Agamotto -might- come out on top, but the fight was a stalemate nonetheless. Agamotto being hard to damage significantly does nothing to change his power level, which was even with that of Galactus.
There is literally nothing more to say about this. Anything further would be overthinking capeshit
I wouldn't say this is tanking. Though the full-gauntlet should allow one to tank it.
Korvac did by time travelling. Apparently the nullifier beams can't follow targets through time.
Silver Surfer 109, the Ultimate Nullifier seemingly erases Morg and Tyrant, they are presumed dead. Later come Annihlation Wave Annihilus finds their perfectly intact and unerased bodies and uses what power cosmic they have left as batteries, which seemingly kills them for real this time.
Later in Fantastic Four (vol. 6) #41 it turns out Morg is actually alive and well after both the nullifier and annihlus. Later still come SIlver Surfer Rebirth it urns out Tyrant is also alive and well.
*also Air Walker got caught in the Nullifier blast int he same issue but he just astral projected his conscious into another body and he was fine come Annihilation Wave.
Morg is because of bad editors. The rest is because the UN has to be precisely targeted. It's what Korvac had to meditate on Eternity before pulling the trigger to kill the entire universe. If someone just targets "that guy over there" it can be survived by moving space/time/souls etc.
Unicron used to canonically be the thing Galactus ran the frick away from once upon a time in Marvel prior to them losing the Transformers right, and even then it actually stayed canon ala the DC cross overs for like 40 something years prior to them finally deciding they wanted to make up a new backstory they could actually reference directly and use in modern comics.
>He doesn't fricking know
newbie detected. Read old comics, moron.
Back when they had the rights to Transformers and got around to Unicron and his whole "Chaos Bringer, Annihilator of Universes" thing they made him responsible for obliterating the previous versions of the universe, including where Galactus came from because back then they used to try to weave their licensed comics into the main marvel narrative, it's like how Rom is actually important to a shitload of X-Men and to a lesser extent Skrull shit because he was at the center of the first real "Crisis" type event back in the day with the Dire Wraith invasion and shit like Rogue's becoming a not shit person and so on.
Coincidentally Rom also had Galactus eat shit at one point when he tried to eat the Dark Nebula and got his ass beat when he couldn't stomach it.
About it being canon Galactus folds to Unicron true?
WWE should take it handily then... Snitsky made Lita have a miscarriage then had a promo with JR saying "IT WASN'T MY FAULT!", then took a baby doll out to the ring while Lita was feuding with someone else and then punted it into the crowd. Vince told him "make sure it gets some air" lmao
He nearly got offed by Tarn just because he couldnt reason with a psycho, and he ran like a b***h.
Also he spent 600 million years getting bullied by a bunch of girls for being a nerd.
The original G1 shockwave was based off the Astro-Magnum Galactic Man toy.
It transformed into a futuristic Ray Gun.
That said, the fiction often depicted it in different and weird ways. G1 cartoon often showed it as a massive stationary cannon. The Marvel comic depicted it as a sort of giant orbital cannon/space ship.
This was likely to differentiate it from Megatron's gun mode.
Modern G1 interpretations seem to go with the Oribital Cannon/Spaceship idea. The most recent G1 style toys are pretty much the Old School ray Gun, turned upside down, and called a spaceship. This is likely due to laws about toy guns.
IDW is hit or miss. For every good run it has, it has an equally shit heap run. Leaning more on the shit side generally.
That said, read Wreckers Trilogy. It is peak transformers comics. Generally considered the best run of all time.
Doesnt have optimus prime though. So do with that what you will.
It should have happened last season and the season before.
The fact hat it didn't means it's never going to happen. and even if it does, it'll be shit like how Jason vs. Micheal was.
I still do not understand who thought spending most of a Battle is spent on some rando.
It's like if Godzilla vs Gamera was half following irrelevant human characters
>Shows up out of nowhere >Fraction of power is stronger than the Hulk >Stronger than Eternity and Dormammu >Restained in all appearance >Mere essence turns ALL of Earth evil
ZOM SMASH
Marvelgays are laid back until Abstracts come up usually at which point furious wanking ensues, particularly with the chump ones like Galactus as of the Abstracts haven't been the lower rung of Cosmic/Magic dickwaving in Marvel for like 50 years on account of them in universe being a made up arbitrary designation with basically no consistent feats or rules.
You Black folk cannot understand Unicron, he's basically Lucifer Morningstar in a robot suit, he was created by TOAA as his son
too much MCUgoyslop fried your brains
>le planet level infinite speed power wank
Doesn't matter. Pure skill can overcome even speed and strength. Shadow's swordsmanship is unrivaled and he has killed a being (a memory of the hero Olivier) that greatly outstats him in every category simply by fighting her with sword techniques he designed to look cool that aren't even his "real" ones.
>Pure skill can overcome even speed and strength
HAKUCHAD'S strength and skill is powered by autism, and his durability scales to the boundary which is a multiversal dimension
>HAKUCHAD'S strength and skill is powered by autism,
Oh buddy.
If we're getting into an autism competition, then you've already lost. Shadow has literally spent every waking moment of his life attempting to become a character archetype he saw on a tv show as a toddler. He is a sociopath who cares about nothing more than looking edgy and saying ominous lines, not to impress anyone, but simply because "it's cool". In doing this, he has mastered swordplay to the point that he makes other masters in his world look like children, used his natural genius to develop highly skilled genius level magical techniques in mere moments and with each volume of the LN he continually scales above his previous level of power. Sorry, but ShadowGOD is taking this one.
Nuke level. Not exactly a threat to much in the high tiers. I think they have Deku higher
11 months ago
Anonymous
What are his feats?
That stat is outdated and likely far higher, as his strength grows exponentially between each volume of the LN. He has also beaten opponents that massively outstat him with pure skill and intelligence. He was FTL at 10 years old and is likely massively higher than that in the current arc of the novels.
11 months ago
Anonymous
Yeah, light novel Batman or not, not that strong. Loses to Dane Whitman
11 months ago
Anonymous
Read the last couple of lines again please, carefully this time.
11 months ago
Anonymous
Oh I did. See like you said it was a world where injuries were realistic enough people die to bullets. Which he took advantage of by just biting her artery but someone like say….. Guts wouldn’t have. His Berserker armor would just keep him going. Or anyone with Haki Chakra, Magic.
11 months ago
Anonymous
He was able to do that without using magic at all, which his opponent was using to kill him without emrcy. VS Battles also left out the feat directly after that, were he effortlessly defeats several copies of that same opponent after revealing he could use magic the whole time. The only reason he didn't was because he thought it would look cooler. I also don't think guts has nuke level durability.
11 months ago
Anonymous
>VS Battles also left out the feat directly after that, were he effortlessly defeats several copies of that same opponent after revealing he could use magic the whole time.
Yeah, a lucky bite from someone who kept pausing their attacks. Not to mention he pinned her which he wouldn’t be able to due to Guts who would just cut his head off.
11 months ago
Anonymous
>Yeah, a lucky bite from someone who kept pausing their attacks.
It wasn't luck. He wouldn't be saying something like "gotcha" if what he expected to didn't happen. He deliberately set up that pin because he's able to predict what an enemy will do just by looking at how they fight.
11 months ago
Anonymous
Yeah, I’m not seeing him pin any sword anime guy. I’m pretty even Erza would just break out of the pin
11 months ago
Anonymous
He was able to pin that specific opponent because, despite it being quite strong, it was basically a puppet or robot controlled by someone else. Against other opponents, he would win in other ways. Have Ezra or Guts dodged full scale sword attacks by simply walking?
11 months ago
Anonymous
>it was basically a puppet or robot controlled by someone else
Then it sounds like it’s not any testament to his ability against someone skilled, and other ankle sword users rape him
11 months ago
Anonymous
Have you missed how i've said, repeatedly, that the thing he was fighting also considerably out-stated him because he wasn't using magic? And that he was deliberately toying with it, only allowing it to hurt him so he could kill it in a cool way? And then immediately afterwards proceeds to destroy several copies at once?
11 months ago
Anonymous
It was a puppet so not very impressive since it can’t really do anything alone. And if his teeth could bit through it in the world, then it’s not like it was about unable to damage it. All in all, it’s not very impressive, it was fighting a strong puppet that was a glass cannon and had no autonomy
11 months ago
Anonymous
I just used the puppet example as a means of showing how he could still feasibly beat opponents that out-stated him. I don't even need that example for characters like Guts or Ezra, who he could obliterate easily even in earlier parts of the series, let alone what he's capable of in volume 5.
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11 months ago
Anonymous
>Doesn’t know how nukes work.
Let me remind you if something called dispersal of force. Used a while back in Predator vs Boba Fett and easier explained through that one Indiana Jones movie. The larger the explosion the less damage it will do something smaller than it. Meaning the guy he beat didn’t ACTUALLY get hit with a nuke’s worth of force, just a human sized portion of it
11 months ago
Anonymous
Funny you mention that, because he can actually change the size, and presumably power, of the nukes he makes.
11 months ago
Anonymous
Okay, making them bigger doesn’t actually help
11 months ago
Anonymous
If you make something bigger, then what also, could you presumably do with it? I also have an example for him centralizing the force of his nukes into a single attack. Also, these are only his attacks inn book 1. In book 2, even his normal magic is stated to have greater attack potency than most nukes. Sorry, but Ezra, Guts, Zoro and most other swordsmen just don't have a chance.
11 months ago
Anonymous
Yeah saying he can shrink if is a stretch if there is no proof also it says right there the energy stretched to the horizon. Which means VERY widespread
11 months ago
Anonymous
>Yeah saying he can shrink if is a stretch if there is no proof
Not really. He can already make attacks smaller than others and centralize his power into a single point. The proof already exists. >it says right there the energy stretched to the horizon. Which means VERY widespread
In the second the clips I posted, his attack goes sub-continental (the full clip got cut off). That means even a beam stretching to the horizon is still a condensed version of what he can fully do.
Also, you didn't respond to my statement about his normal magic power being beyond nuke level in book 2, or give examples of Ezra, Guts etc. having a greater skill feat than avoiding sword attacks by casually walking through them.
11 months ago
Anonymous
>In the second the clips I posted, his attack goes sub-continental (the full clip got cut off). That means even a beam stretching to the horizon is still a condensed version of what he can fully do.
Okay, I feel like you’re missing the point. We’re talking about all of it in one spot. It being wider spread is not a good thing. Also casual dodges are sort of a staple for any swordsman
11 months ago
Anonymous
>Okay, I feel like you’re missing the point.
No, I think you are. If the full range os his attacks is known to be at least sub-continental, and he has also been known to make attacks more small and/or more narrow than that, what does that tell you?
>Also casual dodges are sort of a staple for any swordsman
Those are still "dodges" and not the act of casual movement.
11 months ago
DoctorGreen
>Let me remind you if something called dispersal of force.
On a related note, there is Dispersal of Energy and It's about heat. The more area a thing has, the more energy it causes due to heat.
Meaning that even if your hand were to shine like the Sun itself, it would never output the same energy as the sun does.
This, of course, disproves the Lord of the Rings's wankfest that Death Battle did.
11 months ago
DoctorGreen
>the more energy it emits
emit is a better term
11 months ago
Anonymous
>He has also beaten opponents that massively outstat him with pure skill and intelligence
That doesn't mean ANYTHING. If the opponents aren't universe-busters, he isn't either. He kills an opponent 2x stronger than him...that places him 2x nuke-level at best?lol. >He was FTL
post proof
>can barely handle a megaton >gets blown around by normal level nukes
"Hm...You know, I thought the world's greatest hero would be stronger? That was kind of lame"
It's true that the character is above what you'd expect from a swordsman, after all, he's nuke-level. I'll grant this much. However, goku is galaxy level so he wins.
>HAKUCHAD'S strength and skill is powered by autism,
Oh buddy.
If we're getting into an autism competition, then you've already lost. Shadow has literally spent every waking moment of his life attempting to become a character archetype he saw on a tv show as a toddler. He is a sociopath who cares about nothing more than looking edgy and saying ominous lines, not to impress anyone, but simply because "it's cool". In doing this, he has mastered swordplay to the point that he makes other masters in his world look like children, used his natural genius to develop highly skilled genius level magical techniques in mere moments and with each volume of the LN he continually scales above his previous level of power. Sorry, but ShadowGOD is taking this one.
>delusional, power hungry villain
Loses to the true king of autism.
composite would include the non-singularity and post-shroud versions of Unicron which pretty much means composite would include JG1 Unicron since the other non-singularity and post-shroud versions are worthless
Lobo is not pure good or innocent, which is how you avoid the stare. You could argue he might have divine protection from the events of Lobo's Back, but that's rarely brought up. Really the only surefire way to avoid it is be truly innocent, divine, or have multiple minds(symbiotes consistently ignore it, due to the human and alien mind, though that may now be retconned into them being semi-divine by way of the King in Black). The real question is how bad it would hit him, since Frank is pretty high body count guy and creative with some of his kills, and he just threw up from the pain. Lobo genocided Czarnia, and then went around doing whatever the hell he wanted, regardless of who got hurt for years, so he's probably at a higher level, but he also has a huge pain tolerance.
Lobo is not pure good or innocent, which is how you avoid the stare. You could argue he might have divine protection from the events of Lobo's Back, but that's rarely brought up. Really the only surefire way to avoid it is be truly innocent, divine, or have multiple minds(symbiotes consistently ignore it, due to the human and alien mind, though that may now be retconned into them being semi-divine by way of the King in Black). The real question is how bad it would hit him, since Frank is pretty high body count guy and creative with some of his kills, and he just threw up from the pain. Lobo genocided Czarnia, and then went around doing whatever the hell he wanted, regardless of who got hurt for years, so he's probably at a higher level, but he also has a huge pain tolerance.
Lobo is himself a path of spiritual enlightenment and the psychopomp of said path. He owes penance to nobody
There's no 'belief system', pleb. It's a pure and true path of universal enlightenment that supercedes gods or abstracts, and Lobo is that path
Lobo owes penance to nobody
Anon, Lobo canonically walks over religious figures. You can dispense with your insecurity over God's place for you
11 months ago
Anonymous
So does Doctor Strange and it worked on him anyway
11 months ago
Anonymous
Dr Strange is not himself spiritual enlightenment as Lobo is, and is required to petition parareligious and religious figures for power.
Strange owes penance. Lobo does not
11 months ago
Anonymous
Strange attained a level of enlightenment over reality Lobo couldn't hope to understand. Lobo is a parody character. They are not the same
11 months ago
Anonymous
>elightened over reality >replaced by a woman
Sounds like trooning mousekek cope
Lobo doesn't need to 'achieve', he IS enlightenment. Seethe and mald
11 months ago
Anonymous
What a sad post you replied to me with. I thought you were serious
11 months ago
Anonymous
>no argument, just pure defeat
Curl up and cry, mousetroon
Lobo is more evil than any human I've ever met and the funny thing about all of those humans is they're evil because of the Original Sin. He is way evil and deserves to die screaming
Akuto Sai >Completed his harem quest >Mild manner >Hero loves him >Marries at age 15 >Highest magic in the verse >Divine creation magic >Robot Dragon Password lock >Omnipotent Law of Identity >Above fiction
If you were asked to put together a Luffy and Naruto opponent swap prompt which arc versions would you assign to which opponent? (Obviously Episode 1 would be 1:1 but after that it gets a bit muddied).
Hulk likely would have won off modern calcs by scaling to Thor.
Fight was good. I think it may be one of the best fights they've ever done. Models were expressive, blows were impactful, and it ended with cosmic headbanging.
My complaints with the fight are few and nitpicky. Broly used too much blaster shell spamming. Not enough screaming from either.
Considering Hulk just went toe to toe with an iteration of Thor who was able to one shot full power Galactus in Cates' comics, I really think they would have to reevaluate this one.
No it is not he was getting wrecked during that fight to the point the plan was to push him into Yggdrasil and ultimately it took Mjolnir’s Magic to cure Thor
I'm not claiming he's as strong as Cates' Thor.
But the simple matter of the fact is that he did WAY Better against Cates Thor than a fully fead Galactus did during the same run.
This still puts Hulk way higher than anything previous outside of NLF of speculation.
11 months ago
Anonymous
And this Thor was supposed to be stronger than when he beat Galactus, no? Since he had the "full" Odinforce, which he didn't have before because... reasons
11 months ago
Anonymous
>But the simple matter of the fact is that he did WAY Better against Cates Thor than a fully fead Galactus did during the same run.
And this Thor was supposed to be stronger than when he beat Galactus, no? Since he had the "full" Odinforce, which he didn't have before because... reasons
Yeah you can’t really compare the two fights. Thor was in his cosmic king form and went all out against Galactus since Galactus made him think the Black Winter wanted the whole universe when it just wanted Galactus, meaning Thor had to sacrifice 5 planets of people as his Herald. So he drained Galactus dry for a bomb.
With Hulk he’s not in his cosmic form and he’s clearly hesitating to kill him die their time together as heroes and the mercy he had for Banner.
11 months ago
Anonymous
Stupid sexy Thor.
11 months ago
Anonymous
I think he was saying Thor was stronger in THIS fight since he had full Odinforce.
11 months ago
Anonymous
Is Odin not much stronger than a herald of Galactus?
I would think it safe to assume inheriting Odinforce is the better power-up.
11 months ago
Anonymous
Okay and again totally ignoring the context of the situations. Like Thor was pretty damn proud of killing Galactus that’s why he goes all out and doesn’t hesitate while they’re alone in space. Compare to executing Hulk in a stadium full of people.
11 months ago
Anonymous
I don't see how that invalidates anything. Thor one-shots Galactus. Under the same writer, with full Odinforce, Thor has to actually spend a few pages on Hulk, even after Bill says he's going for the kill.
11 months ago
Anonymous
Well for one that’s Gamma Thor vs Mjolnir Hulk. This is different for the fact he’s not using his absorption abilities or thinking rationally like he could against Galactus when he drained the guy dry to avenge the planets he was forced to sacrifice . He just bashed blindly with no skill and ultimately Odin calmed him down and helped him. It’s called context because there’s more to battles than scenes of hitting. Like if you think you could switch out Gamma Thor and Cosmic Thor and get the same results you would be dead wrong. Gamma Thor would get wrecked by Galactus and a Cosmic Thor would just drain the enchantment and gamma out of Hulk with Mjolnir
11 months ago
Anonymous
Most people accept Thor was much stronger here than he was when he only had a herald power-up. But you do your own thing I guess.
11 months ago
Anonymous
And most people are smart enough to understand not all fights are based off arm wrestling contests. It’s called strategy and character not blindly inputting stats. I don’t think Gamma Thor would think
11 months ago
Anonymous
Not thinking rationally literally would HELP with a gamma rage power-up.
11 months ago
Anonymous
Not quite, it’s why people like Spider-Man and Captain America can run circles around the regular Hulk. This is just that on a larger scale.
11 months ago
Anonymous
What? No I'm saying Gamma Thor would literally become stronger by going berserker mode. He'd be wasting the power-up by thinking rationally.
11 months ago
Anonymous
Again, it’s not about strength here. There’s a reason Banner listened to Odin, he knew for a fact Yggdrasil was the best chance against Gamma Thor and he couldn’t win with strength or even come close.
11 months ago
Anonymous
The point is he fared better than Galactus. According to Cates, Hulk scales up from Galactus.
11 months ago
Anonymous
Not really no since again context in fights matter
11 months ago
Anonymous
The context just makes Thor looks stronger.
11 months ago
Anonymous
This is the guy you're talking about btw
11 months ago
Anonymous
I can't comment on Cates's writing, but he's absolutely right on power scaling. By all accounts, most of it doesn't make sense.
11 months ago
Anonymous
Most writers probably feel that way
11 months ago
Anonymous
I really do think that any writer obsessing over VSBattles power levels is handicapping themselves. Just write something fun and cool and let them figure it out!
11 months ago
Anonymous
Yeah, but there are limits to that. Spider-Man beating Firelord, even with a blitz, even with a billion punches is just silly. Never mind FIRElord not passively destroying the Symbiote. You gotta have weight classes and specs IMO
11 months ago
Anonymous
It's our job to make sense out of the consequences of what the writer puts down, it's not always going to make sense in death battle terms without some extra work.
11 months ago
Anonymous
It's our HOBBY. It's their JOB to make it make sense!
11 months ago
Anonymous
Oh, absolutely. You should be able to play by the rules you've established.
Odin in particular in a strange one. In one of his first big showing, Jack Kirby set it up so that essentially Odin, wearing super special armor, wielding a legendary sword, and amped by the power of his people was still no match for the celestial.
Now regular Thor can kill a celestial.
I remember a Transformers wiki article going into detail about how Devastator was almost invincible in his first appearance, then became fodder for the villain of the week thereafter. I think it applies there.
11 months ago
Anonymous
Odin in particular in a strange one. In one of his first big showing, Jack Kirby set it up so that essentially Odin, wearing super special armor, wielding a legendary sword, and amped by the power of his people was still no match for the celestial.
Now regular Thor can kill a celestial.
11 months ago
Anonymous
Characters like Odin also have way too many powers over their tenure to be written with any semblance of sanity. 99% of Asgard's plots could be solved trivially by composite Odin stopping time and banishing billions of souls to another dimension
11 months ago
Anonymous
That's what the Odinsleep's for.
11 months ago
DoctorGreen
>In one of his first big showing, Jack Kirby set it up so that essentially Odin, wearing super special armor, wielding a legendary sword, and amped by the power of his people was still no match for the celestial. >Now regular Thor can kill a celestial.
This powercreep... Were comics the original Gachas? Oh Frick, They are fricking Pictures too
11 months ago
Anonymous
Not seeing a problem.
11 months ago
Anonymous
That's still way more concrete Thor scaling than Hulk has really gotten before.
11 months ago
Anonymous
>Trying to ignore that Thor was actually stronger in Banner of War than he was when he killed Galactus >Telling other people they are totally ignoring context
Cates was clearly wanking both characters, even if he was wanking Thor more.
11 months ago
DoctorGreen
I don't see how that invalidates anything. Thor one-shots Galactus. Under the same writer, with full Odinforce, Thor has to actually spend a few pages on Hulk, even after Bill says he's going for the kill.
It's just Dragon Ball Logic, fools
According to Bill, Thor did go all out against Hulk. That doesn't mean It will cause collateral damage
11 months ago
Anonymous
This lol but Cates cares even less about power levels than Toriyama does
11 months ago
Anonymous
>cares even less about power levels than Toriyama does
You take that fricking back after fricking Ribrianne and what's his face from the Moro Arc that took like every character on at once.
11 months ago
Scholar of Green
>and what's his face from the Moro Arc that took like every character on at once.
Manga shit that is non-canon and made by Tracetaro
11 months ago
Anonymous
Moro literally had a passive ki drain ability.
11 months ago
Anonymous
No not Moro himself, that one prison dude that just took everyone to stop for no reason.
11 months ago
Anonymous
Who? 73 or Saganbo? Moro literally gsve both of them their power.
11 months ago
Anonymous
Who knew magic would rape everyone in the DBverse even more a Bardock level character.
11 months ago
Anonymous
They literally say in the comic they are both going all out and not holding back.
11 months ago
Anonymous
And Banner quite literally knows for a fact even when going all out he can’t match Thor which is why he listens to Odin’s plan. He did better than Galactus because Thor was stupider. If it was Cosmic Thor he would get raped
It still completely invalidated Bill's statement as a whole.
11 months ago
Anonymous
How so? He didn't fight WM Thor and you didn't have to pull that fight to show us they've fought before. They've fought tons of times. Hulk got power crept hard so he stopped being 1:1 with Thor in pure strength, because back in the day Thor had to fight Hulk without Mjolnir out of pride. Eventually it was decided that Hulk is stronger and Thor is more powerful. And then they decided Hulk has plot armor every time he fights Thor
11 months ago
Anonymous
Keep in mind in those days Thor’s strength was halved without Mjolnir meaning twice as strong as Hulk without the hammer
11 months ago
Anonymous
I took that as his striking power being halved, which makes sense. I mean it's a weapon right?
The whole thing Bill was claiming was that Thor never fought Hulk with the intent to kill.
That's it.
It's observably false.
I don't know what you're going on about or what your goal is here.
I don't have a "goal", you mongrel. I'm correcting your mistakes
11 months ago
Anonymous
Going >Okay yes, BUT...
Isn't correcting a mistake.
11 months ago
Anonymous
Hulk didn't fight WM Thor. That's the important part
11 months ago
Anonymous
The whole thing Bill was claiming was that Thor never fought Hulk with the intent to kill.
That's it.
It's observably false.
I don't know what you're going on about or what your goal is here.
11 months ago
Anonymous
I’m pretty sure a de powered Thor with a Leader amp with the intent to kill is not what Bill had in mind when he talks about regular Thor being willing to kill
11 months ago
Anonymous
He's making a very broad statement to just decide to omit shit.
11 months ago
Anonymous
Except for the fact that they barely fought after Thor activated Warrior’s madness. because they were interrupted by a nuke. Hulk landed one punch that Thor didn’t even feel
so uh, watching the CU preview, and they just stated they don't need their soul to survive. So looks like they're going with soul rip aint gonna be a wincon
I mean that's dumb but there's nothing stopping Dragonborn from turning Chosen into a block of ice and locking him up. You have to stretch pretty hard with the revival stuff too because even with revives, its not like Chosen can just respawn right there. Dragonborn will be topped off every time Chosen Undead came back and would in turn catch on to his bullshit, eventually deciding to just trap him or RNGing Wabbajak to eventually transform him
Oh I don't doubt it, DB has way more haxy ways to defeat CU, it's just my personal go-to win was just soul entrapment. Can't kill the soul? Slap that b***h into Azura's Black Star. But not it seems that that's no longer a cut and dry win
1. That's bullshit. Your soul collection isn't your soul. Even then, Dragonrend.
2. Even disregarding Dragonrend, Bend Will is strong enough to work on dragons. There's no way it doesn't work on CU. And it gives he EXACT same wincon to DB that Swank gave to Dio to put him over Schro Alucard.
"You don't want to fight anymore."
YOU DIED
That stops revivals cold and there's no counter argument against it working.
Because they UR and BW aren't comparable in the slightest.
Here's UR's lore:
Advanced pyromancy of Quelana of Izalith.
Charm Undead and gain temporary allies.
The living are lured by flame, and this
relationship is part and parcel to the art of
pyromancy. Can be used by either gender.
UR works by taking advantage of a specific bond the undead have with the First Flame. It's why it only works on undead. Its' why it's a pyromancy.
BW is the result of saying reality-altering words to do exactly what the name implies. It works on Dragons, animals, and people because it's not a race-based exploit. It's not a pyromancy trick grounded in how undead work in DS.
Chosen Undead getting anywhere requires moronic asspulls against the Dragonborn while ignoring the counters DB has in place.
>lol he will just keep reviving
and Dragonborn will learn all his tricks. Not to mention he can't spawn right next to him so Dragonborn can prepare each time. Why not just soul trap or whatever
>lol it doesn't work like that obviously it'd just trap the currency it's totally different and he can survive without souls
>lol Chosen Undead will just respawn infinitely because he wants to
What about bend will to get him to frick off or stay down?
>No muh Vow of Silence
You mean that short aoe thing that isn't 100% effective as weakgays like Gwyndolin could no sell it? You know he could just walk out of it right
>No frick you it totally works and Chosen Undead eventually steals a win in a close fight
Oh cool. So what happens when Mora's Boon procs and Dragonborn now has 100% Magic, HP, and Stamina again?
>Uh Chosen Undead just comes back because he wont stay dead lmao
Okay so after these hundreds of times of Chosen Undead being a nuisance, what's stopping Dragonborn from entrapping him in a block of ice and locking him in a cage. Actually why not just rip off Anduin's soul fog so Chosen Undead is just flat out stuck even with bonfire revives? He could even just turn him into a chicken, that's not killing him
>Uhh frick you that wouldn't happen before Dragonborn died lol
No he did not. Anything Madara does gets adapted to by the Hyogoku, which wouldn't have worked to begin with because it was never regeneration in the first place.
Second I'm equating this to how a character has no loss cons but is still going to lose because of Swan's bias.
So Dragonborn against chosen undead is just seems like another Deadpool vs deathstroke situation. I doubt he’d be given access to the first flame and lord souls in the fight. Which means his only way of killing the Dragonborn comes down to his weapons and spells.
Not exactly as those two were relatively even with Deadpool having strong regen in the moment. Dragonborn pretty much outclasses Chosen Undead on every front hard and has pseudo reality warping shenanigans as icing. Chosen Undead's revival stuff doesn't even work well because he comes back far away after an indeterminate amount of time (at least long enough for the enemies to heal to full) by which point Dragonborn could have fricked off
He doesn’t so much has to outclass the Dragonborn in feats of power but wait for a mistake. That’s the chosen undead whole thing right there just learning and adapting. But honestly it depends on how much they give him, if he has the first flame he could set the bonfire wherever he wants. Besides what’s the point of having the guy reset in a death battle if one of his selling points to make the fight interesting is his revival.
Waiting for a mistake doesn't even work because Dragonborn has options to just no sell getting KO'd. Mora's Boon alone fricks Chosen Undead in a straight up attrition fight
>He can set the bonfire wherever he wants
Not how it work. Besides even with revival hax, Dragonborn has methods of trapping him or transforming him so it doesn't matter
I’m not to familiar with everything the Dragonborn can do mystically but yeah the chosen undead can’t beat being space removal or imprisonment.
CU winning by continually fighting until he wins is a piss victory because it turns it from a fight into a fanfic.
A lot of fights become goofy if you say "Oh, well, they can just come back later."
That's every single superhero.
>If he has the first flame he could set the bonfire wherever he wants
What the frick logic is this? If he has the first flame he is stuck in the kiln
The first flame can be moved and taken much like the souls in the game. It’s even possible to take if for yourself as seen in one of the ds3 endings.
One of the nordic chieftains chronicled in Vivec's writings could alter and rewrite the outcomes of fights by shouting, like she was Midnighter or Contessa or something. I don't think hoping for a mistake will do much. Will they scale DB to Tiber Septim being implied to have retconned Cyrodiil's landscape?
I’m not incredibly sure what they give the Dragonborn. We could just be looking at things only the player can do same for chosen undead. The fight can go either depending on what’s given I believe.
>It's even possible to take it for yourself
If you're the Lord of Cinder, which CU is not.
CU having First Flame powers is moronic fanfic headcanon.
11 months ago
Anonymous
The chosen undead literally gave himself to the flame becoming one of the beings in soul of cinder along side Gwyn who also kindle the fire. But your right the player can’t really use it so I guess it might not be fair to say the chosen undead has it.
>He doesn’t so much has to outclass the Dragonborn in feats of power but wait for a mistake. That’s the chosen undead whole thing right there just learning and adapting.
Oh we back to working on Guts logic now?
>CU literally beats enemies stronger than him every day!
>he can set the bonfire as long as he's burning for eternity as fuel
Huh?
11 months ago
Anonymous
Yeah, you know, some days it's five inches to the left, some days it's six inches to the right. Nothing major, but he's got some customization options.
One of the nordic chieftains chronicled in Vivec's writings could alter and rewrite the outcomes of fights by shouting, like she was Midnighter or Contessa or something. I don't think hoping for a mistake will do much. Will they scale DB to Tiber Septim being implied to have retconned Cyrodiil's landscape?
Consensus is that db takes unless they make it a war of attrition which is what swan will be banking on.
Thing is though is that dragonborn isn't just some self insert rpg protag like the lone wanderer. He does have some lore behind him that should put him above what cu can possibly do to hurt him.
Plus he has bend will and dragonrend.
bend will and dragonrend are extremely misinterpreted and overhyped
so far the Reddit seems to be in consensus that the fight won’t come down to
dragonrend, soul trapping, or bend will
FACT
dragon rend is described multiple times as making them understand mortality(something CU is already extremely familiar with), nothing more, and in game only works on dragons (not vampires, for instance)
Aldrin isn’t guaranteed to be killed, and the DB does not absorb his soul
if dragonborn says female in the dovahzul when looking at you you will get your dysphoria indulged liam and then you can get the railing from dio cosplayers you always wanted. and if he says the words mortal finite and temporary it means you are mortal finite and temporary. whether it would affect the cu is up for debate depending on the nature of his resurrections. you can kill every other immortal in the game just fine except for alduin so the shout is spec'd for dragons in the game. none of the words specify it's dragon only in lore. when you use the lore that's just him forcing immortals to experience mortality
>it does these things, it just isn't featured anywhere in game, and the only target relevant for the discussion (a being that is immortal beyond a physical death) isn't affected as I describe because reasons >yes it doesn't affect daedra or aedra or any truly immortal thing despite what I imply >but it just works ok!?
post any proof that it actually does anything more than what the wikis say (which is that it makes them experience immortality, not that it makes them mortal)
shitposting aside, the CU does die every time, and is resurrected all the same. So the CU isn't "immortal" in that "they never die or decay", because they do in fact die
it's how the thu'um works. you say the words and it happens because you are putting your "argument" forward to warp reality with and this is why might makes right to dragons. there's no reason it would be exclusive to dragons and certainly no gameplay reason why it should be used against vampires and dragon priests... since their immortality can be bypassed by just killing them whereas alduin required numerous contrivances. and it's not like they were gonna make that shout only available during the alduin fights haha. it was invented by non dragonborns to kill dragons who are immortal in a way they have no way of coping with since their souls are eternal. even then it didn't work since alduin can just wake them up. let's use our critical thinking here
11 months ago
Anonymous
what actually states that thu'um works this way?
I've been looking at wikis and nothing seems to imply that its simultaneously reality warping and so creatively capable/limitless
it doesn't make sense. Why not say "World is perfect?" or "Red Mountain is taken?" or "Daedra is dead"?
it either blatantly has limits, or every thu'um user is deeply myopic
11 months ago
Anonymous
anon they drill this into your head in the games (eso, skyrim) even in loading screens that shouts alter the fabric of reality to suit your argument. read up on the nordic chieftains from the lessons of vivec sermon 9. if you open your mind a little bit further you'll realize it's literally tonal magic which is manipulating reality by altering its tones/sounds. you haven't scraped the outer layers of this rabbit hole and claim to have scoured every source. >Why not say "World is perfect?" or "Red Mountain is taken?" or "Daedra is dead"
this is plain stupid. what does it mean to be perfect? and furthermore for the world to be perfect? what does it mean to take red mountain? what is death to a daedra? why would it have this scale? maybe dragonborn could use dragonrend on a daedra and maybe not. why would he? they are fundamental aspects of reality just as much as the aedra are. alduin is a god in his own right and it worked on him. and he is a good bit more 'immortal' than the chosen undead who is the ACTUAL character the dragonborn is fighting here. the nords by the time of jurgen were a degenerate and ignorant bunch of weaklings anyway. they were probably closer to ulfric than anyone else.
11 months ago
Anonymous
I'm going to need you to quote sources
closest I see that supports the thu'um being so capable is >Battles fought against her would always end in victory for Barfok, because she could shape outcomes by singing
although its questionable as to why she wouldn't simply say "I cant lose" or whatever >world perfect
don't take that literally, I just mean, if the thu'um is so capable of manipulating reality with seemingly no limit, why not shape the metaphysics of the world? why not say (anything)?
there isn't anything that actually seems to outline what the thu'um is capable of, and what its limited by, and all I'm seeing people post is big assumptions
we know that thu'um users were defeated, and that they were limited by fundamental aspects of their existence
this strongly seems to imply that thu'um is similarly limited, and not simply capable of altering reality as the user sees fit
does it alter reality? Yes, but that in and of itself is not impressive, as semantically all things alter reality so long as they are. The real question is, does it alter reality to the unlimited whim of the user? Clearly not. So where then is its limits? Why doesn't the DB or any thu'um user sing the world into their ideal outcome? What are the actual capabilities of the thu'um and where is it outlined?
11 months ago
Anonymous
>Being this much of a lorelet
Okay anon, out with it, which one of Swanky Swank's sycophants are you?
11 months ago
Anonymous
>no argument given
Sad!
11 months ago
Anonymous
i'm not going to quote you sources because that would be a pain in my ass and this is a secondary point of contention with the primary one being the lore implications of dragon rend. kirkbride happens to consider it a form of tonal manipulation aka reality warping and he came up with the damn thing. i have described the parallels betwixt it and tonal magic.
"i can't lose" is a vague introspective statement. >with seemingly no limit,
see this is your problem. you assume a hyperbolic infinite ceiling for what i'm saying. that's not what i'm saying. what i'm saying is that the words have definitions and when you understand those definitions you can employ them on reality. when you understand yol and say it, you shoot fire from your mouth. and because it's spoken it literally comes from your mouth. i'm not saying the dragonborn is the beyonder. if the dragonborn sees an immortal and shouts the word "mortality" at them, they would logically become mortal. lore wise. just as you shoot fire at them when you say "fire". sometimes you need a more esoteric configuration or understanding, hence ysmir needing shor to teach him how to shake the dragon just so to shout the nords back into adulthood after alduin shouted them into infancy at the behest of old knocker.
you also need to understand it takes decades to learn even the basics of thu'um. ulfric is in all likelihood superior to the average ancient tongue who only understood how to use the thu'um with force to blow down fortress walls. the chieftains outlined in vivec's lessons were huge outliers. when you really understand a word of power and employ it, that becomes your troth. now imagine if all you know is fus. ro and dah if you're lucky. maybe something else but no less elementary like yol toor shul. it's HIGHLY unlikely the dragonborn could shout incantations as complex as the way we're communicating with each other right now.
11 months ago
Anonymous
let me frame it like this. in elder scrolls the basic concept of magic is that you have your mana/magicka pool. you use a spell, you burn magicka to use this pool of energy to trigger a reaction. the reaction is by persuasion of the natural order, and this is most aptly seen with the school of alteration, which IS just straight up reality warping (see Reality and Other Falsehoods). you wanna use a fire spell, you burn the magicka, triggering the reaction which turns it into fire which you proceed to shoot out of your hands.
when you want to use the thu'um for the purpose of fire you have to proclaim fire as your troth, by fully understanding the meaning of the word in the dovahzul and reality will accommodate you. no bullshit mana/magicka burning and no chain reaction. you say fire and fire happens. not to be a degenerate heathen but it's not unlike the words "Let There Be Light"
this is the explanation I was hoping for
no sources, so its still unfortunately murky, but I can understand the hesitation to find them
so the limitation (if you can call it that) of thu'um is the individual's understanding of the relevant word(s)/whether or not the word(s) exist
this puts us in an awkward spot, as we are then forced to either give the DB infinite capability, or just limit them to what they have canonically done
more than likely, it will be the later
but we are still left with a conundrum
lore wise, it would appear that dragonrend should strip alduin (or any being, including aedra/daedra) of his inability to be killed, yet we know that he isn't killed and is in fact only delayed/still exists
either way, coupled with how the CU isn't "immortal" per se, it would appear that dragonrend would not be relevant here
its funny, I had initially assumed that Souls would have murkier/softer lore, but it seems ES may give it a run for its money, despite the fact that DS is intentionally vague
11 months ago
Anonymous
Honestly, it's something that I love. Dark Souls, The Elder Scrolls, God of War... Mythology and stories weren't obsessed with detailing everything to the most minute of details. They were about creating art with words, not science projects, and ultimately it's a kind of storytelling that I personally prefer. (There's absolutely nothing wrong with science projects!)
11 months ago
Anonymous
I'm sorry, but you are not autistic enough for DB threads, I'm going to have to ask you to leave
11 months ago
CapeworldComics
>Leaves us in conundrum
Only if you're stupid.
Bend Will targets anything with a will. Even beings immune to part of the shout fold to all 3 parts.
There is no reason CU should resist it.
"Oh, my PVP Undead Rapport." that doesn't work unless you're a biaased turd. That's a pyromancy that uses an undead's connection to fire to mesmerize them. It's not a direct assault on their will by reality altering magic.
This is like saying an android could ignore Bend Will because it has a good antivirus program. CU can and should lose to Bend Will unless Swank slurps.
11 months ago
Anonymous
never mind that bend will works on beings who are straight up immune to conventional illusion magic (dragons) and it's so absolute there's practically zero resistance from them
11 months ago
Anonymous
never mind that bend will works on beings who are straight up immune to conventional illusion magic (dragons) and it's so absolute there's practically zero resistance from them
seems it specifically doesn't work on undead, or some specific dragons, or ebony warrior, which is unlucky. And even then its just one of a myriad of ways for the DB to kill the CU (noone is contesting this), but it still isn't a win con since it still won't kill the CU >That's a pyromancy that uses an undead's connection to fire to mesmerize them
you don't know that you are interpreting it that way, and it doesn't even mention some undead connection, just "the living", specifically >The living are lured by flame, and this relationship is part and parcel to the art of pyromancy. Can be used by either gender.
you could argue it would work on the DB based on that, although it probably wouldn't because it also says >Charm undead and gain temporary allies.
also, stop reddit spacing and remove the trip, its making me ill
i would say the applications of the words themselves are a limitation too. you can't just, at least to my knowledge, turn someone into fire by shouting yol at them. you shoot fire at them. when you use slow time you're literally shouting AT time and compelling it to move slower. but what is the fabric of time? where is it? in the case of this matchup it becomes muddled by so much conjecture it's insane. when you use soul tear you turn your target into an undead thrall because of the last word "zol" which means "zombie". not zombies as in night of the living dead, but spiritual undead. so perhaps the dragonborn would be able to target the chosen undead directly with "zol" and then use miraak's zii los dii du shout on him and...frankly that's a wrap. but like i said it's 100% conjecture. IMO when the greybeards lured you by shouting "DOVAHKIIN" that was akin to you summoning Odahviing. meaning it can be an appellation and not a name that targets you. and the words of dragonrend must be examined thoroughly. i know the chosen undead isn't immortal per se. he can die. but look at the other words: zah (finite) and frul (temporary). could something be extrapolated? what if the first flame gets a mouthful of those words? >yet we know that he isn't killed and is in fact only delayed/still exists
that's speculative but he is a special case as an agent of aka/auriel. he is necessary for the order of things, namely the end of all things and the beginning of the new kalpa. alduin is a GOD among dragons. it's worth mentioning that paarthurnax claims alduin is "no more".
i just remembered there's a story where some guy uses a fortify intelligence spell and mathematically disproves the existence of some other guy and the other guy just goes poof. but this was probably either an embellishment or an outright fairy tale lol
>guy just goes poof
I could believe it, based on my very limited understanding of CHIM
11 months ago
Anonymous
it wasn't CHIM, he just disproved the guy with a mathematical equation. i'm not sure it constitutes as a zero-sum on your path to CHIM.
way i see it, the dragonborn can counter both interpretations of the chosen undead. turn undead if he's considered an undead, bend will if not. soul tear should put him down for good regardless if i'm understanding this hollowing business correctly
11 months ago
Anonymous
>turn undead if he's considered an undead, bend will if not.
the thing is, is that its like the rest of the matchup, work or not, it doesn't actually *permanently* kill the CU
I'm fairly certain the DB outstats the CU in every way (aside from maybe strength), and even if he didn't, the DB certainly out hax's the CU
the problem is, it brings the DB to the same point as before, a fresh CU (easily "killed" once more, likely) ad infinite >soul tear, soul gems, etc
the CU unironically does not need a soul, and it seems thats the interpretation they are going with
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also, everyone is ignoring pic related, which even removes the ONE drawback of being undead >thats dark souls 2
yes, and that game was far worse, especially lore wise
but they seem to be using footage from dks 2, so it might come into play
11 months ago
Anonymous
>doesn't actually permanently kill
According to Dark Souls lore it does. You lose soul(s), hollow, lose all will, and die. Shitheads continuing to use the gameplay loop are as legitimate as saying the DB can just console command and save scum the CU. It's all disingenuous moronation and you homosexuals should be ashamed
11 months ago
Anonymous
>seems it
Stopped reading there. Worthless diatribe detected.
Also nta
11 months ago
Anonymous
i would say the applications of the words themselves are a limitation too. you can't just, at least to my knowledge, turn someone into fire by shouting yol at them. you shoot fire at them. when you use slow time you're literally shouting AT time and compelling it to move slower. but what is the fabric of time? where is it? in the case of this matchup it becomes muddled by so much conjecture it's insane. when you use soul tear you turn your target into an undead thrall because of the last word "zol" which means "zombie". not zombies as in night of the living dead, but spiritual undead. so perhaps the dragonborn would be able to target the chosen undead directly with "zol" and then use miraak's zii los dii du shout on him and...frankly that's a wrap. but like i said it's 100% conjecture. IMO when the greybeards lured you by shouting "DOVAHKIIN" that was akin to you summoning Odahviing. meaning it can be an appellation and not a name that targets you. and the words of dragonrend must be examined thoroughly. i know the chosen undead isn't immortal per se. he can die. but look at the other words: zah (finite) and frul (temporary). could something be extrapolated? what if the first flame gets a mouthful of those words? >yet we know that he isn't killed and is in fact only delayed/still exists
that's speculative but he is a special case as an agent of aka/auriel. he is necessary for the order of things, namely the end of all things and the beginning of the new kalpa. alduin is a GOD among dragons. it's worth mentioning that paarthurnax claims alduin is "no more".
i just remembered there's a story where some guy uses a fortify intelligence spell and mathematically disproves the existence of some other guy and the other guy just goes poof. but this was probably either an embellishment or an outright fairy tale lol
11 months ago
Anonymous
>i would say
Stopped reading there. Worthless diatribe detected
Also nta
11 months ago
Anonymous
I DO DECLARE then you homosexual
11 months ago
Anonymous
let me frame it like this. in elder scrolls the basic concept of magic is that you have your mana/magicka pool. you use a spell, you burn magicka to use this pool of energy to trigger a reaction. the reaction is by persuasion of the natural order, and this is most aptly seen with the school of alteration, which IS just straight up reality warping (see Reality and Other Falsehoods). you wanna use a fire spell, you burn the magicka, triggering the reaction which turns it into fire which you proceed to shoot out of your hands.
when you want to use the thu'um for the purpose of fire you have to proclaim fire as your troth, by fully understanding the meaning of the word in the dovahzul and reality will accommodate you. no bullshit mana/magicka burning and no chain reaction. you say fire and fire happens. not to be a degenerate heathen but it's not unlike the words "Let There Be Light"
>Scores going that high in general
Ignoring that still abysmally shit rankings for that season. I'd also argue Jason VS Michael was worse than Vegito VS Gogeta. Outside of the reputation, the episode itself was trash on pretty much all fronts.
Alright i can see their point about spunchbop vs aquakek as the best episode of this season but calling magneto vs tetsuo a 10/10 even for death battle's standards is just screaming "yeah im a shill but i won't admit it"
This season was fricking ass and its sad to see how moronic the fans are defending this low quality mid, i miss when death battle didn't have jank in their animations with stiff and awkward movements
Also praising that the zatanna drawn bit at the end was embarrassing, they try so hard to ape off anime and it just reeks of cultural insecurity and less comprehension of the base media, kind of like DC itself... (Wow, more reasons to believe the Bias Theory)
These are the people who get hyped for episodes not because they care about the matchup, but because Swan is the one directing it.
This is true, later in the video he says Swan is the best writer
If you said otherwise homosexuals from reddit will call you a hater
I was talking about nemesis who actually fricking said “I don’t care about CU vs DB but I’m hyped because Swan is writing!”
I don’t get how people like him exist. I remember when DB didn’t have fricking hero worship.
>Goes to vsbattles wiki to conduct his "research" >Uses reddit respect threads otherwise >This is the research team everyone lauds
Honestly death battle was better without this research team bringing in wank for pretty much every character. At least Ben and Chad tried to genuinely find out the characters' power level. Now it's just who can get wanked to conceptual level the fastest based on some vague statement made in some coloring book.
I gotta be honest, I'm assuming its mainly the Death Battle sup that shills for Swan, cause I go on Who Would Win, and anytime he's in an ep prominently like with Jonathan or Dio, everyone trashes his takes
Alright i can see their point about spunchbop vs aquakek as the best episode of this season but calling magneto vs tetsuo a 10/10 even for death battle's standards is just screaming "yeah im a shill but i won't admit it"
This season was fricking ass and its sad to see how moronic the fans are defending this low quality mid, i miss when death battle didn't have jank in their animations with stiff and awkward movements
Also praising that the zatanna drawn bit at the end was embarrassing, they try so hard to ape off anime and it just reeks of cultural insecurity and less comprehension of the base media, kind of like DC itself... (Wow, more reasons to believe the Bias Theory)
[...]
This is true, later in the video he says Swan is the best writer
If you said otherwise homosexuals from reddit will call you a hater
Alright, now I'm interested in whose video this is.
I know I shouldn't look at vsbattlewiki but can someone explain to me why they have this verse around Multi Galaxy to Universal? Like what the frick happens in this show??
Cat guy gets turned evil and turns into cat Blanco, creates an energy ball that dwarves galaxies, and is implied to have destroyed the universe as a character with time traveling powers was unable to get to the future since it no longer existed
I think it’s the wish thing. See they can combine their two respective items for a wish that will change reality. With a caveat. First the ladybug item makes a new universe while the cat item nukes the old Universe to make space. However it’s only when wielded together do they get that strong
There’s also Chat Noir destroying Pixelator’s dimension
Chat Noir on-screen galaxy busts in an alternate timeline. God I love this shit >My power is to have whatever object I need at the moment >My power is to literally hakai shit
Asgardians are some 3 times denser than humans, and that goes for everything from muscles to bones. This goes for Olympians too, and some aliens. If anything he's too light.
It'd be curious if it actually did go in a circle like pic, cause that'd mean the finale is the wave (which is possible Kyogre vs Chaos) and ngl that'd be a letdown.
Personally, I'm thinking the pentagram is either Devilman, Hellboy, or Etrigan. It'd be a further stretch, but you could also say Ghost Rider and Spawn (though flames and/or chains would be a more fitting image)
Notes on the latest podcast: >Fricking joke matches >Josh arguing for Dom, Swan for Kiryu >Swan's opening statement still erroneously compares RGG to GTA, declares statistical superiority, martial arts, JRPG stuff, items >Josh compares Dom to Captain America stats-wise >Swan actually hasn't played RGG, but still somehow says they're the F&F of video games, calls it "superhero anime" >Swan brings up Vin Diesel's contract about not losing in F&F, says it doesn't apply to the character alone >Sam thinks Kiryu is stronger than Dom >Swan wants to see this fight >Swan thinks Kiryu has stopped a charging bull, thrown motorcycles, fought a guy who wrestles large wild animals as training, a building-sized zombie monster in a non-canon zombie spinoff game, brings up an image of Majima carrying a cannon but doesn't properly identify him as such, is strong enough to bring through stone with single blows >Josh brings up Dom repeatedly surviving head-on car collisions with no damage, made a chasm with a stomp which Swan corrects to say it was an already damaged collapsing parking structure, Josh says Dom started the collapse, some discussion about said feat >Swan says Kiryu has a lightsaber
>Swan's opening statement still erroneously compares RGG to GTA
I want to fricking punch Swan's fricking face until he's lookin' like Doyle after Katsumi got done with him.
>Josh says "the crux of my argument is that Dom is indestructible", supporting evidence is Dom just being unharmed after a lot of crashes >Swan says Kiryu has ki, which he infuses into his vehicles as an extension of his own fighting style, survives rocket launchers to the face, survives a large point blank explosion completely unharmed, has dodged bullets by looking at them in slow motion >Josh says Dom has taken out a drone using a car, all the crazy stuff he does is by using a car >Brief talk about Ray vs Hank, the Thanos-Ant Man joke thing >Swan talks about Kiryu's self-made martial art, which he used to defeat a Taskmaster-like master assassin, an opponent that can telekinetically control helicopters, can instantly learn martial arts by witnessing a few moves, has stats enhancing items, items that bring him back to life after dying >Josh brings up the time Dom brings down a tunnel by pulling down chains >This fight seems entirely predicated on jokes >Josh's closing argument is a joke, Swan's closing argument is very thorough >Sam does not appear to be very enthused about this matchup, gives a pretty sober set of reasons as to why he's voting Kiryu >Ben's vote is a joke >Kiryu wins 3-1 >Ben likes the idea, wants to do a car-fu matchup, Swan also likes it, wants to hear other ideas for other car-fu fights, Sam also wants to see a car-based fight >Swan is directing Chosen Undead vs Dragonborn
Gilgamesh can beat up your favorite character
Too slow and weak
>Yujiro
No
Gilgamesh? PURE CANON FODDER!!!!!
Gilgamesh ca-AIIIEEEEEE
Maybe, maybe not
Doubt it
Nope, they're gonna swindle us this season yet again
Hey. Gonna finish the last couple requests from the previous thread, then do whatever is here
btw you think we're gonna get another revealed ep after CU vs DB or will it be something new?
If it follows circle probably new unless the flask/circle is Cole VS Mercer
I could see it since they were both science accidents, but I think they're the black/white one given how important the mortality system was to their games.
If they aren't completely Brandonbrained, it'll be the ? finale.
But the premier flubbed what could have been a GOAT fight and the second may show new levels of Swank bias. All signs point to this being a shit season.
Animation wise I didn’t like Ray vs Hank. Why were the ants purple?
It was a reference to the time when Hanks' ants were purple.
Prototype (at least the first one didn't play the second) didn't have morality systems.
Not a hard one, but there was still a "You can be the hero or the villain" aspect to it.
Frick no. If anything, the implication is that Unicron was the previous Galactus that existed in Galan's universe but instead of dying as a Galactus should, Unicron decided to continue on as a void-monster.
Satsuki vs vergil
Could I get Hank Hill vs Frank Murphy from F is for Family
Hank has a dynamite kick and is physically stronger than Peggy. (can't escape his grasp)
Bender vs Jake the Dog
That's not even fair.
Neither was Spongebob vs Aquaman or Saitama vs Popeye.
>the flask/circle
Doctor vs Rick.
Ikari kicks ass, it's the best song in the series. Didn't really care for the fight.
I'd guess it'd be Dexter VS Jimmy
Pic related but switch the two characters' positions, change R Mika's pic so that she's in her classic wrestling oufit but still sexy looking, and change the "DB vs" to a more generic but cool looking "VS" logo.
so like this
Hope it's a 3D fight, for the sake of fanservice. The last good one we got in that regard, was Bayo's. And that was a long time ago.
Dragonzord vs Mechagodzilla
dick vs balls
Baloo (TaleSpin) vs Gus (Kissyfur)
Miles Morales vs Spider-Monkey
lol
Who wins the intelligence advantage?
I'd give it to Galactus. Every iteration of Unicron gets bodied easily enough when you have enough Autobots ganging up on him.
You can replace Unicron with Galactus and say the same about Avenger.
They already think Galactus is infinite multiversal, this is a done deal.
They did not say that. They just said DBverse gets solo'd by him.
20:28. Proceed to cope.
They said Goku and Bejita can destroy infinite universes not Galactus.
So you're either pretending to be moronic or have the comprehension of a pre-schooler.
What if both apply to me?
>Meanwhile, Vegeta had no way to match the God-Blast, which could have killed friggin' Galactus! And that guy has threatened the infinite multiverse with destruction just as a side-effect of his battles. That's a level of power beyond anything we've seen in Dragon Ball yet, let alone Vegeta.
Eh, so is Unicron in certain canons
Well considering his 2v1 against Other and Scrier was gonna destroy the entire multiverse according to Oblivion then it would be weird if they didn't say that.
The Ultimate Nullifier is pretty above most Autobots
Has anyone ever tanked the UN?
Typically they rely on NATO to do the actual heavy lifting.
Yeah, an incomplete Infinite Gauntlet did.
he had all gems but soul right? i don't know if this is straight up tanking when he wasn't really hit by it
Korvac did by time travelling. Apparently the nullifier beams can't follow targets through time.
I'm talking about straight up taking it and tanking it
Would you happen to have scans or the issues?
Silver Surfer 109, the Ultimate Nullifier seemingly erases Morg and Tyrant, they are presumed dead. Later come Annihlation Wave Annihilus finds their perfectly intact and unerased bodies and uses what power cosmic they have left as batteries, which seemingly kills them for real this time.
Later in Fantastic Four (vol. 6) #41 it turns out Morg is actually alive and well after both the nullifier and annihlus. Later still come SIlver Surfer Rebirth it urns out Tyrant is also alive and well.
*also Air Walker got caught in the Nullifier blast int he same issue but he just astral projected his conscious into another body and he was fine come Annihilation Wave.
*Arishem also gets hit by a blast from the Nullifier, but tanks it until Reed is unable to keep up with the mental strain of using the Nullifier and dies.
Arishem is perfectly fine afterwards, even after getting hit it appears to take some time to actually be able to harm someone like him, and if they don't finish the job in time or get distracted then he can just shrug it off.
Why is he struggling? The dude has the Infinity, and one gem negates the physical drawback while the other denies the mental weakness. Also, he's supposed to be the most intelligent man in Marvel.
I thought the IG alone was enough to make the Celestials it's b***h.
I'm not sure this would apply. Tyrant's pet drone hijacked Morg's body and fused the Nullifier to him, and in this state Morg managed to liquify most of Tyrant's body with a single shot, so I doubt Morg would survive the same output... and it was physical output and not the implicate order destruction which tends to accompany the Nullifier's most daunting descriptions
>Fantastic Four (vol. 6) #41
Lemme guess... Slott? If so we can discard this
But they both did survive though. They tanked it, they healed, they lived and came back the same as ever. Galactus himself said he had to teleport to an alternate dimension to avoid the blast, so it's obviously the full Nullification they got hit with and were fine anyway.
The Nullifier doesn't have a "physical" or "implicate order" setting either. It has a button, you press it, it blasts at you. If you tanked it, you tanked all of it.
I'm not talking about "settings" like it's some Star Trek weapon. Your understanding of the Ultimate Nullifier is directly correlated to how you use it. In this case Morg liquified Tyrant's legs with the UN's energy but didn't wipe him from history the way its full output is supposed to do. Don't be disingenuous
>Your understanding of the Ultimate Nullifier is directly correlated to how you use it
Post a single scan saying this. The Ultimate Nullifier erases, it doesn't have a setting for "only destroy the body but not the rest". If that were the case Galactus wouldn't have had to run away from it.
And it didn't even manage to destroy their bodies, lmao.
Like I said it doesn't have a "setting". Most people wouldn't have a prayer if you're talking about using it without killing yourself. An inexperienced user can collapse the entire universe and, it seems, in Morg's case, only liquify. You display a remarkable ignorance of how the UN works if you think what Galactus and Morg took was the literal output of the Nullifier getting fired at them. Tyrant is >>> Morg, why would Morg take less damage from it than Tyrant did? The UN is a thing which destroys, body and spirit across time, it engulfs you, why would it have concussive force?
Why wasn't Tyrant wiped from the timeline if Morg hit him with the full esoteric properties and it was enough to chew through his ass? The only options we have are PIS or my hypothesis, nothing in between. Make your choice.
>it wasn't the full output of the Nullifier because...
>because I said so OK???
Lmao
They weren't wiped out because they tanked it. The ultimate nullifier jobbing doesn't create a new plotline where it "wasn't using its full power". It jsut means it jobbed and they tanked it.
I didn't say that. You're arguing with your histrionic imaginary friends, which are derived from your own mind. And then misusing the term jobbing. You're so pathetic...
>Accept the word of one who knows
Morg, Gabriel the Air-Walker, and one of the Mad Celestials all got hit by the Nullifier and all survived, no bullshit involved. They just got hit and kept living anyway. I also recall a comic where someone just bends the beam around back at the user via space manipulation but I can't find it.
I don't think the Avengers have ever straight up beaten Galactus without a macguffin
Alright, I guess this one's the official thread since thumbnail anon's here?
>g-darmanitan strength's is mentioned in the dex
I thought you said statements were off-limits?
Even then, Darm's best strength feat from the dex is destroying a dump truck with one punch (and that's Unovan, not Galarian). Nowhere near moonbusting/planetbusting levels of strength.
>and has brought him to ubers
Fanfic meta.
Obviously I don’t even know what the other one’s OP pic match is.
Anyways post your wishlists
what's the ben 10 mu?
Jaiden and Elemental Hero Neos.
Is Luffy vs Naruto bigger or smaller than the Ichigo vs Naruto matchup
One Piece is bigger nowadays so it's probably bigger.
Bigger. Pirates VS Ninjas and One Piece is the most popular of that big 3
In Japan at least.
Mostly true but I've definitely noticed more people acknowledging One Piece these days. Certainly way more than they used to some years ago.
It was always bigger
In Japan maybe. No one gives a frick about One Piece in the west.
I meant the matchup as a whole, Bleach has always been number 3
The other thread is just Fatehomosexualry
Beta Ray Bill beats Kingu and Enkidu by the way
Reminder that planets in Fate are multiverses
Shouldn't they do Silver Surfer first?
This already has a canonical answer of Unicron mogging the frick out of Galactus, and even if it didn't one of these guys obliterates entire universes and the other occasionally eats some planets.
>This already has a canonical answer of Unicron mogging the frick out of Galactus,
Literally when did they ever meet
In my Hispanic fanfiction.
One sad trend I've noticed is people writing stories just to make people universe busters or whatever. I think that ruins part of the fun of battleboarding, that we have these stories and can extrapolate from them, rather than custom-making someone who can pummel Goku.
Unicron used to canonically be the thing Galactus ran the frick away from once upon a time in Marvel prior to them losing the Transformers right, and even then it actually stayed canon ala the DC cross overs for like 40 something years prior to them finally deciding they wanted to make up a new backstory they could actually reference directly and use in modern comics.
>Unicron used to canonically be the thing Galactus ran the frick away from once upon a time in Marvel prior to them losing the Transformers right
>Making shit up
>He doesn't fricking know
newbie detected. Read old comics, moron.
Back when they had the rights to Transformers and got around to Unicron and his whole "Chaos Bringer, Annihilator of Universes" thing they made him responsible for obliterating the previous versions of the universe, including where Galactus came from because back then they used to try to weave their licensed comics into the main marvel narrative, it's like how Rom is actually important to a shitload of X-Men and to a lesser extent Skrull shit because he was at the center of the first real "Crisis" type event back in the day with the Dire Wraith invasion and shit like Rogue's becoming a not shit person and so on.
Coincidentally Rom also had Galactus eat shit at one point when he tried to eat the Dark Nebula and got his ass beat when he couldn't stomach it.
The one Galactus came from? You mean back when he wasn't Galactus, but a powerless scientist of Taa? Is that what you're telling us right now?
Pretty sure by the time Unicron actually showed up in the comics, the 'it takes place in the Marvel universe' angle was quietly dropped.
Galactus saw that his fight with Mephisto was going nowhere so he decided to begin eating Mephisto's universe, which was credible enough of a threat that Mephisto agreed to a ceasefire. Galactus violated the natural order of things by consuming magic and threatened the fabric of the multiverse. Galactus fighting the Other and Scrier were about to destroy the entire multiverse had Thor, Rachel Grey (?) and Norrin not stopped them. Galactus is the great filter and a cosmic abstract which stands in between Eternity and Death... he eats one planet at a time because why would he do more?
Because he's hungry.
You can't get lean like this if you gorge yourself on planetary life forces.
I'm in the school of eating a hearty meal regularly to maintain.
Mephisto just wanted to avoid losing all his shit and having to get new stuff, his counterparts and peers like the Fear Lords and Many Angled Ones have mogged the frick out of multiple Abstracts before, the ones that actually matter even rather than canonical in name only types like Galactus and the Celestials.
On that topic 1/3rd of the fricking Vishanti had to be talked down so that Agamotto wouldn't just fricking kill Galactus back when Galactus tried the same shit on him.
What a biased view. Galactus went toe to toe with Mephisto, the archetypal Hell-Lord, just fine before going scorched earth, which was an even bigger threat to the demon. Usually when the Fear Lords get up to some shenanigans it's got context behind it. Nightmare wasn't more powerful than Eternity, he just cast a spell to put him to sleep, it was the whole point of the story. It's heavily implied Eternity allowed this to happen at all because he knew it would be resolved anyway, and he proceeded to squash both Nightmare and Juggs with a wave of his all-encompassing hand. The Many Angled Ones assumed power and founded the Cancerverse because Death had been done away with, but when it was freed it was a wrap. Galactus fought Agamotto in the latter's own dimension and held his own, with the remaining 2/3 of the Vishanti intervening because the two were sending havoc across other dimensions not limited to Oshtur and Shoggoth's own
>held his own
>in a fight where Agamotto was mainly annoyed his stuff was being smashed and Galan was being a little twat.
>Where Galactus is going balls to the wall and clearly accomplishing nothing while Agamotto plays with him like an ant.
Not him anon but like, sure, that's how that fight was going. Agamotto's mom and her furry boy toy literally step in because Agamotto was getting pissed enough that he was going to straight up kill Galactus over meaningless bullshitand neither were going to back down because they were egotistical buttholes.
Lmao. Okay, Agamotto. Galactus was mulching all of your M-Bodies and destroying your realm and there was nothing you could do about it. Oshtur and Shoggoth showed up to stop you from doing something idiotic, which is to fight Galactus. BECAUSE IT WAS DESTROYING OTHER DIMENSIONS THAN YOUR OWN.
>Shoggoth
Hoggoth*
My apologies, Agamotto
>M-Bodies and destroying your realm
Anon I....
Its cute you think that Elder Gods and high tier shit in Marvel Magic like Agamotto use M-Bodies I guess. Galactus was eating literally nothing. He was getting bamboozled because he canonically knowns dick frick all about magic, he wasn't eating anything other than metaphorical shit in that fight.
Even the shit he was destroying was pointed out to just be the equivalent of Agamotto's TV reception. They make a point of showing that with Agamotto smugging it up and sitting down to watch the new shit that replaced it the moment Galactus left like nothing had ever happened. He was just pissed off at the upstart fricking with his cable and lipping off to him.
That's precisely what he was doing. He was making physical manifestations of himself, which we know as M-Bodies. Whether or not they come from Anthropomorpho. It's like calling a wildcat a kitty.
>Galactus was eating literally nothing.
They were engaged in a stalemate, and Galactus hadn't so much as threatened to eat Agamotto's realm. Galactus at least vaporized Agamotto's forms and his memory bubbles.
>He was just pissed off
That the battle was a no contest and Galactus got away with vaporizing his immediate entertainment. I've yet to hear you declare your departure from the notion that Oshtur and Hoggoth showed up to defend Galactus because he was oh so weak next to the worm. The fight was a blatant way to show you they were evenly matched with Agamotto having home field advantage. Strange mused that Agamotto -might- come out on top, but the fight was a stalemate nonetheless. Agamotto being hard to damage significantly does nothing to change his power level, which was even with that of Galactus.
There is literally nothing more to say about this. Anything further would be overthinking capeshit
One was voiced by Orson Welles.
And they say Falstaff was his biggest role...
I wouldn't say this is tanking. Though the full-gauntlet should allow one to tank it.
Morg is because of bad editors. The rest is because the UN has to be precisely targeted. It's what Korvac had to meditate on Eternity before pulling the trigger to kill the entire universe. If someone just targets "that guy over there" it can be survived by moving space/time/souls etc.
Otto you’re a comic is this thing
About it being canon Galactus folds to Unicron true?
Mew2King: Autism
Armada: Burnout
Mang0: Alcoholic
Dr.PeePee: Depression
Hungrybox: Animosity
My heroes...and FRICK Leffen.
Shame they couldn't be good at one of the good Smash games
>Ant-Man: By the way, I'm Scientist Supreme, Etern-
AIIIIIIIEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE.
How does Galactus defend against Dark Energon/Evil Angolmois?
The same way he can deal with all the various cosmic energies Marvel has?
Alien X solos fiction
>looks at Death Battle
Yeah, that's where you're wrong, benpedo
Is the Power Cosmic anything like the energy of Primus?
>Beats the almighty creator in a 1v1 easily
>Universal Undertaker due to the books of the dead
WWE is honestly the only universe that is equal to DC in terms of absurd bullshit
What are you talking about? Why is it always DC you lunatics rave about??
We're talking in the absurbity of the stories, not the dick measuring contest Vs gays love to have
WWE should take it handily then... Snitsky made Lita have a miscarriage then had a promo with JR saying "IT WASN'T MY FAULT!", then took a baby doll out to the ring while Lita was feuding with someone else and then punted it into the crowd. Vince told him "make sure it gets some air" lmao
Shockwave is the strongest Cybertronian and has no weakness or hubris that traditional villains have. He is the perfect killing machine. The
>not posting IDW GODwave
In the IDW comics, Shockwave was gonna merge EVERY Universe for his master, Nova Prime.
He nearly got offed by Tarn just because he couldnt reason with a psycho, and he ran like a b***h.
Also he spent 600 million years getting bullied by a bunch of girls for being a nerd.
>Dead Universe?
Mine and my master's.
My dream death battle.
Plankton vs Mr. Mind.
I defy you to find a better match up.
Plankton vs The Brain (Pinky & The Brain)
Mr Mind vs The Captain (Meet Dave)
I stand corrected. You might be on to something.
>Yamate...Shock-sama
YOUR DEMISE SHALL COME AT A TIME OF MY CHOOSING...NOT YOURS!
Shockwave punking Megatron pt. 1
I don't remember his toy. What he transform into?
gun
The original G1 shockwave was based off the Astro-Magnum Galactic Man toy.
It transformed into a futuristic Ray Gun.
That said, the fiction often depicted it in different and weird ways. G1 cartoon often showed it as a massive stationary cannon. The Marvel comic depicted it as a sort of giant orbital cannon/space ship.
This was likely to differentiate it from Megatron's gun mode.
Modern G1 interpretations seem to go with the Oribital Cannon/Spaceship idea. The most recent G1 style toys are pretty much the Old School ray Gun, turned upside down, and called a spaceship. This is likely due to laws about toy guns.
Shockwave linking Megatron pt.2
Shockwave linking Optimus.
are the Transformers comics any good? always thought Optimus Prime was awesome
IDW is hit or miss. For every good run it has, it has an equally shit heap run. Leaning more on the shit side generally.
That said, read Wreckers Trilogy. It is peak transformers comics. Generally considered the best run of all time.
Doesnt have optimus prime though. So do with that what you will.
Shockwave punking Optimus pt.2.
Season finale is Jin Mori vs Goku.
No it isn't plus Goku shitstomps. Now frick off.
Yes it is.
>TRANSformergay is so desperate to prove that his b list forgotten villain would totally beat Galactus that he is making shit up
You love to see it.
newbies and not knowing what the frick they're talking about, a classic combination as old as time.
There is a slim chance Unicron might lose, but what about SHOCKWAVE?!?!??
>SLOPwave
>Marvel Universe
Beneath ME!
>Star Trek
Beneath ME!
>Sakura Wars
Beneath ME!
>B-b-b-but that happened one ti-
AAAAAAIIEEEEEEEEE
>You got lucky twic-
YAMATEEEEEEEE, Shockwave-Sama don't merge Multiverses!
>Dr. Who
Beneath ME!
>G.I Joe
Beneath ME!
https://tfwiki.net/mediawiki/images2/b/b5/TheFlyinFoxTrot-Autobots.jpg
>MLP
Uh...crossover with the Gobots...you know, for the kids...
>troonyformers
>Troonformer is talking to xirself
>Optimus Pride
>Shockmaid
>Megatroon
>Unicuck
THESE are your fighters?
It should have happened last season and the season before.
The fact hat it didn't means it's never going to happen.
and even if it does, it'll be shit like how Jason vs. Micheal was.
I still do not understand who thought spending most of a Battle is spent on some rando.
It's like if Godzilla vs Gamera was half following irrelevant human characters
>Shows up out of nowhere
>Fraction of power is stronger than the Hulk
>Stronger than Eternity and Dormammu
>Restained in all appearance
>Mere essence turns ALL of Earth evil
ZOM SMASH
You know looking at the body they had something going there. Why the frick did they give him THAT head? LMFAO
Alas, he's too silly looking, so he's stuck in the never-ever-again pile of characters.
Previews when?
The other thread had the CU one.
They are funcking wrong. The Chosen Undead can be killed if you remove his soul, that's how he kills other undeads.
Swank, either deliberately or by being a lorelet, confused the player's resetting soul collection with CU's own soul.
I kind of want Unicron to win because he's clearly the underdog.
Is he? Marvelgays are some of the most laid back power scalers I have ever seen but Transposters always talk all that good shit
Marvelgays are laid back until Abstracts come up usually at which point furious wanking ensues, particularly with the chump ones like Galactus as of the Abstracts haven't been the lower rung of Cosmic/Magic dickwaving in Marvel for like 50 years on account of them in universe being a made up arbitrary designation with basically no consistent feats or rules.
You Black folk cannot understand Unicron, he's basically Lucifer Morningstar in a robot suit, he was created by TOAA as his son
too much MCUgoyslop fried your brains
If he is Lucifer Morningstar, then Primus is Michael Demiurgos.
No, pretty sure he was made by a random monkey scientist.
Your Unicron lore is like 40 years out of date.
An yes, I think these days he was made by an unnamed Antillan scientist.
These days he's a multiversal monster like usual.
But even Antialla Unicron was implied to be more godly than just someone's robot.
>the most omnipotent force in the multiverse
i'm glad AI is taking these homosexual writers' jobs away
>Eliminates Ezra
>Garrotes Guts
>Implodes Ichigo
>Kills Kirito
>Ryonas Ryuko
>Stabs Saber
>Zaps Zoro
Is there a single swordsmen, nay, a single character, that can stand against the leader of Shadow Garden, Cid Kagenou-sama?!
>Jobs to the white void and the cold steel
>le planet level infinite speed power wank
Doesn't matter. Pure skill can overcome even speed and strength. Shadow's swordsmanship is unrivaled and he has killed a being (a memory of the hero Olivier) that greatly outstats him in every category simply by fighting her with sword techniques he designed to look cool that aren't even his "real" ones.
>dragonball
LOL
I don't know who this is
>LOL
I'm sorry but Goku's already won the argument.
>Pure skill can overcome even speed and strength
HAKUCHAD'S strength and skill is powered by autism, and his durability scales to the boundary which is a multiversal dimension
>HAKUCHAD'S strength and skill is powered by autism,
Oh buddy.
If we're getting into an autism competition, then you've already lost. Shadow has literally spent every waking moment of his life attempting to become a character archetype he saw on a tv show as a toddler. He is a sociopath who cares about nothing more than looking edgy and saying ominous lines, not to impress anyone, but simply because "it's cool". In doing this, he has mastered swordplay to the point that he makes other masters in his world look like children, used his natural genius to develop highly skilled genius level magical techniques in mere moments and with each volume of the LN he continually scales above his previous level of power. Sorry, but ShadowGOD is taking this one.
https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Cid_Kagenou
Nuke level. Not exactly a threat to much in the high tiers. I think they have Deku higher
That stat is outdated and likely far higher, as his strength grows exponentially between each volume of the LN. He has also beaten opponents that massively outstat him with pure skill and intelligence. He was FTL at 10 years old and is likely massively higher than that in the current arc of the novels.
Yeah, light novel Batman or not, not that strong. Loses to Dane Whitman
Read the last couple of lines again please, carefully this time.
Oh I did. See like you said it was a world where injuries were realistic enough people die to bullets. Which he took advantage of by just biting her artery but someone like say….. Guts wouldn’t have. His Berserker armor would just keep him going. Or anyone with Haki Chakra, Magic.
He was able to do that without using magic at all, which his opponent was using to kill him without emrcy. VS Battles also left out the feat directly after that, were he effortlessly defeats several copies of that same opponent after revealing he could use magic the whole time. The only reason he didn't was because he thought it would look cooler. I also don't think guts has nuke level durability.
>VS Battles also left out the feat directly after that, were he effortlessly defeats several copies of that same opponent after revealing he could use magic the whole time.
Yeah, a lucky bite from someone who kept pausing their attacks. Not to mention he pinned her which he wouldn’t be able to due to Guts who would just cut his head off.
>Yeah, a lucky bite from someone who kept pausing their attacks.
It wasn't luck. He wouldn't be saying something like "gotcha" if what he expected to didn't happen. He deliberately set up that pin because he's able to predict what an enemy will do just by looking at how they fight.
Yeah, I’m not seeing him pin any sword anime guy. I’m pretty even Erza would just break out of the pin
He was able to pin that specific opponent because, despite it being quite strong, it was basically a puppet or robot controlled by someone else. Against other opponents, he would win in other ways. Have Ezra or Guts dodged full scale sword attacks by simply walking?
>it was basically a puppet or robot controlled by someone else
Then it sounds like it’s not any testament to his ability against someone skilled, and other ankle sword users rape him
Have you missed how i've said, repeatedly, that the thing he was fighting also considerably out-stated him because he wasn't using magic? And that he was deliberately toying with it, only allowing it to hurt him so he could kill it in a cool way? And then immediately afterwards proceeds to destroy several copies at once?
It was a puppet so not very impressive since it can’t really do anything alone. And if his teeth could bit through it in the world, then it’s not like it was about unable to damage it. All in all, it’s not very impressive, it was fighting a strong puppet that was a glass cannon and had no autonomy
I just used the puppet example as a means of showing how he could still feasibly beat opponents that out-stated him. I don't even need that example for characters like Guts or Ezra, who he could obliterate easily even in earlier parts of the series, let alone what he's capable of in volume 5.
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>Doesn’t know how nukes work.
Let me remind you if something called dispersal of force. Used a while back in Predator vs Boba Fett and easier explained through that one Indiana Jones movie. The larger the explosion the less damage it will do something smaller than it. Meaning the guy he beat didn’t ACTUALLY get hit with a nuke’s worth of force, just a human sized portion of it
Funny you mention that, because he can actually change the size, and presumably power, of the nukes he makes.
Okay, making them bigger doesn’t actually help
If you make something bigger, then what also, could you presumably do with it? I also have an example for him centralizing the force of his nukes into a single attack. Also, these are only his attacks inn book 1. In book 2, even his normal magic is stated to have greater attack potency than most nukes. Sorry, but Ezra, Guts, Zoro and most other swordsmen just don't have a chance.
Yeah saying he can shrink if is a stretch if there is no proof also it says right there the energy stretched to the horizon. Which means VERY widespread
>Yeah saying he can shrink if is a stretch if there is no proof
Not really. He can already make attacks smaller than others and centralize his power into a single point. The proof already exists.
>it says right there the energy stretched to the horizon. Which means VERY widespread
In the second the clips I posted, his attack goes sub-continental (the full clip got cut off). That means even a beam stretching to the horizon is still a condensed version of what he can fully do.
Also, you didn't respond to my statement about his normal magic power being beyond nuke level in book 2, or give examples of Ezra, Guts etc. having a greater skill feat than avoiding sword attacks by casually walking through them.
>In the second the clips I posted, his attack goes sub-continental (the full clip got cut off). That means even a beam stretching to the horizon is still a condensed version of what he can fully do.
Okay, I feel like you’re missing the point. We’re talking about all of it in one spot. It being wider spread is not a good thing. Also casual dodges are sort of a staple for any swordsman
>Okay, I feel like you’re missing the point.
No, I think you are. If the full range os his attacks is known to be at least sub-continental, and he has also been known to make attacks more small and/or more narrow than that, what does that tell you?
>Also casual dodges are sort of a staple for any swordsman
Those are still "dodges" and not the act of casual movement.
>Let me remind you if something called dispersal of force.
On a related note, there is Dispersal of Energy and It's about heat. The more area a thing has, the more energy it causes due to heat.
Meaning that even if your hand were to shine like the Sun itself, it would never output the same energy as the sun does.
This, of course, disproves the Lord of the Rings's wankfest that Death Battle did.
>the more energy it emits
emit is a better term
>He has also beaten opponents that massively outstat him with pure skill and intelligence
That doesn't mean ANYTHING. If the opponents aren't universe-busters, he isn't either. He kills an opponent 2x stronger than him...that places him 2x nuke-level at best?lol.
>He was FTL
post proof
>gets cut once and is erased from every timeline ever
that literal who is nothing compared to hakumen. kneel.
>Someone spend time to turn a LOTR meme into a dragon ball meme
Fricking hell
I’ll show you what true guts are
>It's a stick, it's knife! NO, it's the Sword of Superman!
*Shatters weebshit sword and free his Stockholm syndrome victims*
Lois: My hero! *Smooch*
>can barely handle a megaton
>gets blown around by normal level nukes
"Hm...You know, I thought the world's greatest hero would be stronger? That was kind of lame"
Please, a megaton would make him sub-Gamera level. You don't want that now do you?
Day 1 Deku
It's true that the character is above what you'd expect from a swordsman, after all, he's nuke-level. I'll grant this much. However, goku is galaxy level so he wins.
Lucky 7.
What are his feats?
Pfft that's it?
>Shadow Garden
>Shadows
He shall become a druid of the Ministry
>delusional, power hungry villain
Loses to the true king of autism.
>No Sasuke
NarutoCHADs….
Cid isn't even planet level, I love TEIS but please don't try this again. It saddens me to see him get stomped.
so if Galactus vs Unicron happens will these use the multiversal singularity Unicron or a composite Unicron?
Is that not essentially the same thing? I mean, why would a composite Unicron ignore the multiverse level stuff?
composite would include the non-singularity and post-shroud versions of Unicron which pretty much means composite would include JG1 Unicron since the other non-singularity and post-shroud versions are worthless
Lobo is not evil and thus should not have been susceptible to Ghost Rider's penance stare
Lobo is not pure good or innocent, which is how you avoid the stare. You could argue he might have divine protection from the events of Lobo's Back, but that's rarely brought up. Really the only surefire way to avoid it is be truly innocent, divine, or have multiple minds(symbiotes consistently ignore it, due to the human and alien mind, though that may now be retconned into them being semi-divine by way of the King in Black). The real question is how bad it would hit him, since Frank is pretty high body count guy and creative with some of his kills, and he just threw up from the pain. Lobo genocided Czarnia, and then went around doing whatever the hell he wanted, regardless of who got hurt for years, so he's probably at a higher level, but he also has a huge pain tolerance.
Lobo is himself a path of spiritual enlightenment and the psychopomp of said path. He owes penance to nobody
Yeah it doesn’t care about belief system
There's no 'belief system', pleb. It's a pure and true path of universal enlightenment that supercedes gods or abstracts, and Lobo is that path
Lobo owes penance to nobody
Yeah I’m pretty sure all religions say that. But it kinda means shit
Anon, Lobo canonically walks over religious figures. You can dispense with your insecurity over God's place for you
So does Doctor Strange and it worked on him anyway
Dr Strange is not himself spiritual enlightenment as Lobo is, and is required to petition parareligious and religious figures for power.
Strange owes penance. Lobo does not
Strange attained a level of enlightenment over reality Lobo couldn't hope to understand. Lobo is a parody character. They are not the same
>elightened over reality
>replaced by a woman
Sounds like trooning mousekek cope
Lobo doesn't need to 'achieve', he IS enlightenment. Seethe and mald
What a sad post you replied to me with. I thought you were serious
>no argument, just pure defeat
Curl up and cry, mousetroon
that sequence was so cringe
Lobo is more evil than any human I've ever met and the funny thing about all of those humans is they're evil because of the Original Sin. He is way evil and deserves to die screaming
Now for an autistic amount of Deku requests
1
2
Thanks dude
Logically this is an easy win for Alex, right? He did canonically beat Gill.
Who wins, Jinwoo or Blackhand?
>listtroon is hiding behind another character
Take your meds.
Don't worry, Goku. Just throw him a block of Katchin, and that would be enough to make paste troon.
Akuto Sai
>Completed his harem quest
>Mild manner
>Hero loves him
>Marries at age 15
>Highest magic in the verse
>Divine creation magic
>Robot Dragon Password lock
>Omnipotent Law of Identity
>Above fiction
Dragonborn preview is today right?
If you were asked to put together a Luffy and Naruto opponent swap prompt which arc versions would you assign to which opponent? (Obviously Episode 1 would be 1:1 but after that it gets a bit muddied).
>With the right stat setup
So how exactly is that going to work or are they just going to max all stats because frick you?
They will probably just max stats, which is a stupid idea, but this entire fight concept is pure fanwank nonsense anyway.
thoughts on the hulk vs broly fight?
Massively underplayed Hulk.
I want a redo with Titan Hulk.
I want a redo with Green Door Hulk or Smashonaunt Hulk.
Knowing them they'd say Smashtronaunt Hulk doesn't scale to the top tiers of Level 10 because Bruce never fought half of them or something.
He was dominating King Thor.
That story literally ended with them all saying that Thor had always held back against Hulk
Hulk shouldn't last more than 1 second against anyone with super speed.
Hulk has fought Thor though, thus he's faster than anyone in DB.
Downplayed Hulk and didn't give him most of his good feats. Otherwise, the fight was fun.
Hulk likely would have won off modern calcs by scaling to Thor.
Fight was good. I think it may be one of the best fights they've ever done. Models were expressive, blows were impactful, and it ended with cosmic headbanging.
My complaints with the fight are few and nitpicky. Broly used too much blaster shell spamming. Not enough screaming from either.
Fight was pretty alright but the blows felt like they were hitting each other with pool noodles even when they got to the planet busting.
honestly had they included this part as the planet busting with screams included, I'd give it a lot more marks
I’m still annoyed Asura got cucked but also love the meme I made
Considering Hulk just went toe to toe with an iteration of Thor who was able to one shot full power Galactus in Cates' comics, I really think they would have to reevaluate this one.
Reminder Beta Ray Bill pointed out Hulk’s always fought a holding back Thor
this story sucked so bad. why is cates like this?
Thor bias much?
Naw. It's just Cates writing for hype. You should know this by now
If you read carefully, he says he always fought a Thor who was holding back UNTIL that fight. So the scaling is still very much legit.
No it is not he was getting wrecked during that fight to the point the plan was to push him into Yggdrasil and ultimately it took Mjolnir’s Magic to cure Thor
Most fights have never had a solid Hulk win.
I'm not claiming he's as strong as Cates' Thor.
But the simple matter of the fact is that he did WAY Better against Cates Thor than a fully fead Galactus did during the same run.
This still puts Hulk way higher than anything previous outside of NLF of speculation.
And this Thor was supposed to be stronger than when he beat Galactus, no? Since he had the "full" Odinforce, which he didn't have before because... reasons
>But the simple matter of the fact is that he did WAY Better against Cates Thor than a fully fead Galactus did during the same run.
Yeah you can’t really compare the two fights. Thor was in his cosmic king form and went all out against Galactus since Galactus made him think the Black Winter wanted the whole universe when it just wanted Galactus, meaning Thor had to sacrifice 5 planets of people as his Herald. So he drained Galactus dry for a bomb.
With Hulk he’s not in his cosmic form and he’s clearly hesitating to kill him die their time together as heroes and the mercy he had for Banner.
Stupid sexy Thor.
I think he was saying Thor was stronger in THIS fight since he had full Odinforce.
Is Odin not much stronger than a herald of Galactus?
I would think it safe to assume inheriting Odinforce is the better power-up.
Okay and again totally ignoring the context of the situations. Like Thor was pretty damn proud of killing Galactus that’s why he goes all out and doesn’t hesitate while they’re alone in space. Compare to executing Hulk in a stadium full of people.
I don't see how that invalidates anything. Thor one-shots Galactus. Under the same writer, with full Odinforce, Thor has to actually spend a few pages on Hulk, even after Bill says he's going for the kill.
Well for one that’s Gamma Thor vs Mjolnir Hulk. This is different for the fact he’s not using his absorption abilities or thinking rationally like he could against Galactus when he drained the guy dry to avenge the planets he was forced to sacrifice . He just bashed blindly with no skill and ultimately Odin calmed him down and helped him. It’s called context because there’s more to battles than scenes of hitting. Like if you think you could switch out Gamma Thor and Cosmic Thor and get the same results you would be dead wrong. Gamma Thor would get wrecked by Galactus and a Cosmic Thor would just drain the enchantment and gamma out of Hulk with Mjolnir
Most people accept Thor was much stronger here than he was when he only had a herald power-up. But you do your own thing I guess.
And most people are smart enough to understand not all fights are based off arm wrestling contests. It’s called strategy and character not blindly inputting stats. I don’t think Gamma Thor would think
Not thinking rationally literally would HELP with a gamma rage power-up.
Not quite, it’s why people like Spider-Man and Captain America can run circles around the regular Hulk. This is just that on a larger scale.
What? No I'm saying Gamma Thor would literally become stronger by going berserker mode. He'd be wasting the power-up by thinking rationally.
Again, it’s not about strength here. There’s a reason Banner listened to Odin, he knew for a fact Yggdrasil was the best chance against Gamma Thor and he couldn’t win with strength or even come close.
The point is he fared better than Galactus. According to Cates, Hulk scales up from Galactus.
Not really no since again context in fights matter
The context just makes Thor looks stronger.
This is the guy you're talking about btw
I can't comment on Cates's writing, but he's absolutely right on power scaling. By all accounts, most of it doesn't make sense.
Most writers probably feel that way
I really do think that any writer obsessing over VSBattles power levels is handicapping themselves. Just write something fun and cool and let them figure it out!
Yeah, but there are limits to that. Spider-Man beating Firelord, even with a blitz, even with a billion punches is just silly. Never mind FIRElord not passively destroying the Symbiote. You gotta have weight classes and specs IMO
It's our job to make sense out of the consequences of what the writer puts down, it's not always going to make sense in death battle terms without some extra work.
It's our HOBBY. It's their JOB to make it make sense!
Oh, absolutely. You should be able to play by the rules you've established.
I remember a Transformers wiki article going into detail about how Devastator was almost invincible in his first appearance, then became fodder for the villain of the week thereafter. I think it applies there.
Odin in particular in a strange one. In one of his first big showing, Jack Kirby set it up so that essentially Odin, wearing super special armor, wielding a legendary sword, and amped by the power of his people was still no match for the celestial.
Now regular Thor can kill a celestial.
Characters like Odin also have way too many powers over their tenure to be written with any semblance of sanity. 99% of Asgard's plots could be solved trivially by composite Odin stopping time and banishing billions of souls to another dimension
That's what the Odinsleep's for.
>In one of his first big showing, Jack Kirby set it up so that essentially Odin, wearing super special armor, wielding a legendary sword, and amped by the power of his people was still no match for the celestial.
>Now regular Thor can kill a celestial.
This powercreep... Were comics the original Gachas? Oh Frick, They are fricking Pictures too
Not seeing a problem.
That's still way more concrete Thor scaling than Hulk has really gotten before.
>Trying to ignore that Thor was actually stronger in Banner of War than he was when he killed Galactus
>Telling other people they are totally ignoring context
Cates was clearly wanking both characters, even if he was wanking Thor more.
It's just Dragon Ball Logic, fools
According to Bill, Thor did go all out against Hulk. That doesn't mean It will cause collateral damage
This lol but Cates cares even less about power levels than Toriyama does
>cares even less about power levels than Toriyama does
You take that fricking back after fricking Ribrianne and what's his face from the Moro Arc that took like every character on at once.
>and what's his face from the Moro Arc that took like every character on at once.
Manga shit that is non-canon and made by Tracetaro
Moro literally had a passive ki drain ability.
No not Moro himself, that one prison dude that just took everyone to stop for no reason.
Who? 73 or Saganbo? Moro literally gsve both of them their power.
Who knew magic would rape everyone in the DBverse even more a Bardock level character.
They literally say in the comic they are both going all out and not holding back.
And Banner quite literally knows for a fact even when going all out he can’t match Thor which is why he listens to Odin’s plan. He did better than Galactus because Thor was stupider. If it was Cosmic Thor he would get raped
Hulk fought Warrior's Madness Thor in the past. Continuity trumps Bill's personal beliefs.
IIRC Thor was depowered at the time and amped by the Leader
It still completely invalidated Bill's statement as a whole.
How so? He didn't fight WM Thor and you didn't have to pull that fight to show us they've fought before. They've fought tons of times. Hulk got power crept hard so he stopped being 1:1 with Thor in pure strength, because back in the day Thor had to fight Hulk without Mjolnir out of pride. Eventually it was decided that Hulk is stronger and Thor is more powerful. And then they decided Hulk has plot armor every time he fights Thor
Keep in mind in those days Thor’s strength was halved without Mjolnir meaning twice as strong as Hulk without the hammer
I took that as his striking power being halved, which makes sense. I mean it's a weapon right?
I don't have a "goal", you mongrel. I'm correcting your mistakes
Going
>Okay yes, BUT...
Isn't correcting a mistake.
Hulk didn't fight WM Thor. That's the important part
The whole thing Bill was claiming was that Thor never fought Hulk with the intent to kill.
That's it.
It's observably false.
I don't know what you're going on about or what your goal is here.
I’m pretty sure a de powered Thor with a Leader amp with the intent to kill is not what Bill had in mind when he talks about regular Thor being willing to kill
He's making a very broad statement to just decide to omit shit.
Except for the fact that they barely fought after Thor activated Warrior’s madness. because they were interrupted by a nuke. Hulk landed one punch that Thor didn’t even feel
Lads, I was wrong. He wasn't empowered by the Leader.
It was Omnibus
Fricking coneheads
He was not Warrior’s madness just yet and when he did go WM Thor didn’t even feel Hulk’s punches and shrugged off a nuke while Hulk had to go AWOL
so uh, watching the CU preview, and they just stated they don't need their soul to survive. So looks like they're going with soul rip aint gonna be a wincon
%21
I mean that's dumb but there's nothing stopping Dragonborn from turning Chosen into a block of ice and locking him up. You have to stretch pretty hard with the revival stuff too because even with revives, its not like Chosen can just respawn right there. Dragonborn will be topped off every time Chosen Undead came back and would in turn catch on to his bullshit, eventually deciding to just trap him or RNGing Wabbajak to eventually transform him
Oh I don't doubt it, DB has way more haxy ways to defeat CU, it's just my personal go-to win was just soul entrapment. Can't kill the soul? Slap that b***h into Azura's Black Star. But not it seems that that's no longer a cut and dry win
It depends how you interpret it because Seath was apparently able to manipulate Chosen's location after killing him
Soul Fog could probably get it done.
1. That's bullshit. Your soul collection isn't your soul. Even then, Dragonrend.
2. Even disregarding Dragonrend, Bend Will is strong enough to work on dragons. There's no way it doesn't work on CU. And it gives he EXACT same wincon to DB that Swank gave to Dio to put him over Schro Alucard.
"You don't want to fight anymore."
YOU DIED
That stops revivals cold and there's no counter argument against it working.
Swank will just say CU has an unbreakable will because “he endured so much”.
He'd probably point to Undead Rapport not working in PVP to give CU blanket immunity from mind control. Which is bullshit of the highest degree.
Why is it bullshit?
Because they UR and BW aren't comparable in the slightest.
Here's UR's lore:
Advanced pyromancy of Quelana of Izalith.
Charm Undead and gain temporary allies.
The living are lured by flame, and this
relationship is part and parcel to the art of
pyromancy. Can be used by either gender.
UR works by taking advantage of a specific bond the undead have with the First Flame. It's why it only works on undead. Its' why it's a pyromancy.
BW is the result of saying reality-altering words to do exactly what the name implies. It works on Dragons, animals, and people because it's not a race-based exploit. It's not a pyromancy trick grounded in how undead work in DS.
Because it’s a PvP limitation for obvious reasons. It’d be instant victory if you got it off in PvP.
Chosen Undead getting anywhere requires moronic asspulls against the Dragonborn while ignoring the counters DB has in place.
>lol he will just keep reviving
and Dragonborn will learn all his tricks. Not to mention he can't spawn right next to him so Dragonborn can prepare each time. Why not just soul trap or whatever
>lol it doesn't work like that obviously it'd just trap the currency it's totally different and he can survive without souls
>lol Chosen Undead will just respawn infinitely because he wants to
What about bend will to get him to frick off or stay down?
>No muh Vow of Silence
You mean that short aoe thing that isn't 100% effective as weakgays like Gwyndolin could no sell it? You know he could just walk out of it right
>No frick you it totally works and Chosen Undead eventually steals a win in a close fight
Oh cool. So what happens when Mora's Boon procs and Dragonborn now has 100% Magic, HP, and Stamina again?
>Uh Chosen Undead just comes back because he wont stay dead lmao
Okay so after these hundreds of times of Chosen Undead being a nuisance, what's stopping Dragonborn from entrapping him in a block of ice and locking him in a cage. Actually why not just rip off Anduin's soul fog so Chosen Undead is just flat out stuck even with bonfire revives? He could even just turn him into a chicken, that's not killing him
>Uhh frick you that wouldn't happen before Dragonborn died lol
Swank, uh, finds a way
It's dubious whether or not bonfire revives should be allowed at all for determining a win.
CU comes back at a bonfire hours later several yards from where he got killed. Meanwhile, DB called a dragon and flew away.
That's not enough to count as a DB win? It's not like CU's Sekhiro and can just stand up again.
the DB promo just confirmed CU can survive without a soul
as for the other issues, CU can kill itself at any time and respawn
CU respawning is core to the character, it wouldn’t be CU without it
>it's nothing but reddit memes
Frick
>gamera is becoming the benchmark for being a low tier b***h
How did this happen gamerabros…
Gameragay constantly bringing him up and wanking him
Oh I know, it was a rhetorical question
>Smough's hammer is le 100 tons
Oh cool can't wait for them having to calc the Greybeards whispering shaking a fricking mountain kek
I wonder if they'll calc giants tossing people leagues away one handed and these bad boys we got from Legends
All your Dragonborn fans who agreed Aizen loses are now about to get a taste of your own medicine.
Are you equating the hogyoku to bonfire resurrection? Both Madara and Dragonborn have respective counters.
No he did not. Anything Madara does gets adapted to by the Hyogoku, which wouldn't have worked to begin with because it was never regeneration in the first place.
Second I'm equating this to how a character has no loss cons but is still going to lose because of Swan's bias.
>People want to see Spider-Man vs Ladybug
>We get Spider-Gwen vs Ladybug because muh girl fight
How would you feel?
>People want to see Spider-Man vs Ladybug
Who is people
Leddit
>Not the superior Skitter vs Ladybug
Plebs
>Worm
No.
>Worm
>No
Worms?
Yes
>Worms
Agreed.
Worms vs Lemmings
happy since Spider-Man isn't going to get destroyed by a French
>soundwave? What a joke
You mean Shockwave?
So Dragonborn against chosen undead is just seems like another Deadpool vs deathstroke situation. I doubt he’d be given access to the first flame and lord souls in the fight. Which means his only way of killing the Dragonborn comes down to his weapons and spells.
Not exactly as those two were relatively even with Deadpool having strong regen in the moment. Dragonborn pretty much outclasses Chosen Undead on every front hard and has pseudo reality warping shenanigans as icing. Chosen Undead's revival stuff doesn't even work well because he comes back far away after an indeterminate amount of time (at least long enough for the enemies to heal to full) by which point Dragonborn could have fricked off
He doesn’t so much has to outclass the Dragonborn in feats of power but wait for a mistake. That’s the chosen undead whole thing right there just learning and adapting. But honestly it depends on how much they give him, if he has the first flame he could set the bonfire wherever he wants. Besides what’s the point of having the guy reset in a death battle if one of his selling points to make the fight interesting is his revival.
Waiting for a mistake doesn't even work because Dragonborn has options to just no sell getting KO'd. Mora's Boon alone fricks Chosen Undead in a straight up attrition fight
>He can set the bonfire wherever he wants
Not how it work. Besides even with revival hax, Dragonborn has methods of trapping him or transforming him so it doesn't matter
I’m not to familiar with everything the Dragonborn can do mystically but yeah the chosen undead can’t beat being space removal or imprisonment.
The first flame can be moved and taken much like the souls in the game. It’s even possible to take if for yourself as seen in one of the ds3 endings.
I’m not incredibly sure what they give the Dragonborn. We could just be looking at things only the player can do same for chosen undead. The fight can go either depending on what’s given I believe.
>It's even possible to take it for yourself
If you're the Lord of Cinder, which CU is not.
CU having First Flame powers is moronic fanfic headcanon.
The chosen undead literally gave himself to the flame becoming one of the beings in soul of cinder along side Gwyn who also kindle the fire. But your right the player can’t really use it so I guess it might not be fair to say the chosen undead has it.
CU winning by continually fighting until he wins is a piss victory because it turns it from a fight into a fanfic.
A lot of fights become goofy if you say "Oh, well, they can just come back later."
That's every single superhero.
>He doesn’t so much has to outclass the Dragonborn in feats of power but wait for a mistake. That’s the chosen undead whole thing right there just learning and adapting.
Oh we back to working on Guts logic now?
>CU literally beats enemies stronger than him every day!
Yeah, because all they do is stand around in the same place like morons until he memorizes their patterns.
Guts has honestly faced worse than Nightmare and won
>Setting the bonfire wherever he wants
That's some dumb-dumb reading of the lore and mechanics.
Do you write for Death Battle by any chance?
>If he has the first flame he could set the bonfire wherever he wants
What the frick logic is this? If he has the first flame he is stuck in the kiln
He can set the bonfire wherever he wants, so long as it's in the kiln.
That doesn't make sense, otherwise Soul of Cinder would just revive itself when you beat it and none of the plot would work
I thought Soul of Cinder did revive itself once? I might be misremembering.
It's more of a second phase thing where it goes Gwyn mode.
>he can set the bonfire as long as he's burning for eternity as fuel
Huh?
Yeah, you know, some days it's five inches to the left, some days it's six inches to the right. Nothing major, but he's got some customization options.
One of the nordic chieftains chronicled in Vivec's writings could alter and rewrite the outcomes of fights by shouting, like she was Midnighter or Contessa or something. I don't think hoping for a mistake will do much. Will they scale DB to Tiber Septim being implied to have retconned Cyrodiil's landscape?
New Yates track. (Yugo [Wakfu] vs Aladdin [Magi])
>Putting Yugo against Z-grade Shonen
Wakfu is better than this.
Yeah, it should be Aang.
Aang couldn't harm him in any way, how is that any better
Aang's not from a Z-list shounen. I spent a full 10 seconds trying to figure out the commonalities between Yugo and the Disney Aladdin were.
Shut up Otto.
Look into your heart and know that I'm right, Z-list shounen fan.
Put your trip back on
>Chosen undead vs dragonborn
Garra vs toph 2.0
We've had similarly bullshit outcomes with Swank at the helm (see Jonathan VS Tanjiro)
Swanshit better be entertaining OR ELSE
Outside of Swan autism, how is every other place taking upcoming fight? Here seems pretty solid on DB taking it
Even their own subreddit is mostly in favor of DB stomping. Of course there are still morons who'll take whatever Swank says as gospel.
Consensus is that db takes unless they make it a war of attrition which is what swan will be banking on.
Thing is though is that dragonborn isn't just some self insert rpg protag like the lone wanderer. He does have some lore behind him that should put him above what cu can possibly do to hurt him.
Plus he has bend will and dragonrend.
bend will and dragonrend are extremely misinterpreted and overhyped
so far the Reddit seems to be in consensus that the fight won’t come down to
dragonrend, soul trapping, or bend will
FACT
dragon rend is described multiple times as making them understand mortality(something CU is already extremely familiar with), nothing more, and in game only works on dragons (not vampires, for instance)
Aldrin isn’t guaranteed to be killed, and the DB does not absorb his soul
if dragonborn says female in the dovahzul when looking at you you will get your dysphoria indulged liam and then you can get the railing from dio cosplayers you always wanted. and if he says the words mortal finite and temporary it means you are mortal finite and temporary. whether it would affect the cu is up for debate depending on the nature of his resurrections. you can kill every other immortal in the game just fine except for alduin so the shout is spec'd for dragons in the game. none of the words specify it's dragon only in lore. when you use the lore that's just him forcing immortals to experience mortality
>it does these things, it just isn't featured anywhere in game, and the only target relevant for the discussion (a being that is immortal beyond a physical death) isn't affected as I describe because reasons
>yes it doesn't affect daedra or aedra or any truly immortal thing despite what I imply
>but it just works ok!?
post any proof that it actually does anything more than what the wikis say (which is that it makes them experience immortality, not that it makes them mortal)
shitposting aside, the CU does die every time, and is resurrected all the same. So the CU isn't "immortal" in that "they never die or decay", because they do in fact die
it's how the thu'um works. you say the words and it happens because you are putting your "argument" forward to warp reality with and this is why might makes right to dragons. there's no reason it would be exclusive to dragons and certainly no gameplay reason why it should be used against vampires and dragon priests... since their immortality can be bypassed by just killing them whereas alduin required numerous contrivances. and it's not like they were gonna make that shout only available during the alduin fights haha. it was invented by non dragonborns to kill dragons who are immortal in a way they have no way of coping with since their souls are eternal. even then it didn't work since alduin can just wake them up. let's use our critical thinking here
what actually states that thu'um works this way?
I've been looking at wikis and nothing seems to imply that its simultaneously reality warping and so creatively capable/limitless
it doesn't make sense. Why not say "World is perfect?" or "Red Mountain is taken?" or "Daedra is dead"?
it either blatantly has limits, or every thu'um user is deeply myopic
anon they drill this into your head in the games (eso, skyrim) even in loading screens that shouts alter the fabric of reality to suit your argument. read up on the nordic chieftains from the lessons of vivec sermon 9. if you open your mind a little bit further you'll realize it's literally tonal magic which is manipulating reality by altering its tones/sounds. you haven't scraped the outer layers of this rabbit hole and claim to have scoured every source.
>Why not say "World is perfect?" or "Red Mountain is taken?" or "Daedra is dead"
this is plain stupid. what does it mean to be perfect? and furthermore for the world to be perfect? what does it mean to take red mountain? what is death to a daedra? why would it have this scale? maybe dragonborn could use dragonrend on a daedra and maybe not. why would he? they are fundamental aspects of reality just as much as the aedra are. alduin is a god in his own right and it worked on him. and he is a good bit more 'immortal' than the chosen undead who is the ACTUAL character the dragonborn is fighting here. the nords by the time of jurgen were a degenerate and ignorant bunch of weaklings anyway. they were probably closer to ulfric than anyone else.
I'm going to need you to quote sources
closest I see that supports the thu'um being so capable is
>Battles fought against her would always end in victory for Barfok, because she could shape outcomes by singing
although its questionable as to why she wouldn't simply say "I cant lose" or whatever
>world perfect
don't take that literally, I just mean, if the thu'um is so capable of manipulating reality with seemingly no limit, why not shape the metaphysics of the world? why not say (anything)?
there isn't anything that actually seems to outline what the thu'um is capable of, and what its limited by, and all I'm seeing people post is big assumptions
we know that thu'um users were defeated, and that they were limited by fundamental aspects of their existence
this strongly seems to imply that thu'um is similarly limited, and not simply capable of altering reality as the user sees fit
does it alter reality? Yes, but that in and of itself is not impressive, as semantically all things alter reality so long as they are. The real question is, does it alter reality to the unlimited whim of the user? Clearly not. So where then is its limits? Why doesn't the DB or any thu'um user sing the world into their ideal outcome? What are the actual capabilities of the thu'um and where is it outlined?
>Being this much of a lorelet
Okay anon, out with it, which one of Swanky Swank's sycophants are you?
>no argument given
Sad!
i'm not going to quote you sources because that would be a pain in my ass and this is a secondary point of contention with the primary one being the lore implications of dragon rend. kirkbride happens to consider it a form of tonal manipulation aka reality warping and he came up with the damn thing. i have described the parallels betwixt it and tonal magic.
"i can't lose" is a vague introspective statement.
>with seemingly no limit,
see this is your problem. you assume a hyperbolic infinite ceiling for what i'm saying. that's not what i'm saying. what i'm saying is that the words have definitions and when you understand those definitions you can employ them on reality. when you understand yol and say it, you shoot fire from your mouth. and because it's spoken it literally comes from your mouth. i'm not saying the dragonborn is the beyonder. if the dragonborn sees an immortal and shouts the word "mortality" at them, they would logically become mortal. lore wise. just as you shoot fire at them when you say "fire". sometimes you need a more esoteric configuration or understanding, hence ysmir needing shor to teach him how to shake the dragon just so to shout the nords back into adulthood after alduin shouted them into infancy at the behest of old knocker.
you also need to understand it takes decades to learn even the basics of thu'um. ulfric is in all likelihood superior to the average ancient tongue who only understood how to use the thu'um with force to blow down fortress walls. the chieftains outlined in vivec's lessons were huge outliers. when you really understand a word of power and employ it, that becomes your troth. now imagine if all you know is fus. ro and dah if you're lucky. maybe something else but no less elementary like yol toor shul. it's HIGHLY unlikely the dragonborn could shout incantations as complex as the way we're communicating with each other right now.
this is the explanation I was hoping for
no sources, so its still unfortunately murky, but I can understand the hesitation to find them
so the limitation (if you can call it that) of thu'um is the individual's understanding of the relevant word(s)/whether or not the word(s) exist
this puts us in an awkward spot, as we are then forced to either give the DB infinite capability, or just limit them to what they have canonically done
more than likely, it will be the later
but we are still left with a conundrum
lore wise, it would appear that dragonrend should strip alduin (or any being, including aedra/daedra) of his inability to be killed, yet we know that he isn't killed and is in fact only delayed/still exists
either way, coupled with how the CU isn't "immortal" per se, it would appear that dragonrend would not be relevant here
its funny, I had initially assumed that Souls would have murkier/softer lore, but it seems ES may give it a run for its money, despite the fact that DS is intentionally vague
Honestly, it's something that I love. Dark Souls, The Elder Scrolls, God of War... Mythology and stories weren't obsessed with detailing everything to the most minute of details. They were about creating art with words, not science projects, and ultimately it's a kind of storytelling that I personally prefer. (There's absolutely nothing wrong with science projects!)
I'm sorry, but you are not autistic enough for DB threads, I'm going to have to ask you to leave
>Leaves us in conundrum
Only if you're stupid.
Bend Will targets anything with a will. Even beings immune to part of the shout fold to all 3 parts.
There is no reason CU should resist it.
"Oh, my PVP Undead Rapport." that doesn't work unless you're a biaased turd. That's a pyromancy that uses an undead's connection to fire to mesmerize them. It's not a direct assault on their will by reality altering magic.
This is like saying an android could ignore Bend Will because it has a good antivirus program. CU can and should lose to Bend Will unless Swank slurps.
never mind that bend will works on beings who are straight up immune to conventional illusion magic (dragons) and it's so absolute there's practically zero resistance from them
seems it specifically doesn't work on undead, or some specific dragons, or ebony warrior, which is unlucky. And even then its just one of a myriad of ways for the DB to kill the CU (noone is contesting this), but it still isn't a win con since it still won't kill the CU
>That's a pyromancy that uses an undead's connection to fire to mesmerize them
you don't know that you are interpreting it that way, and it doesn't even mention some undead connection, just "the living", specifically
>The living are lured by flame, and this relationship is part and parcel to the art of pyromancy. Can be used by either gender.
you could argue it would work on the DB based on that, although it probably wouldn't because it also says
>Charm undead and gain temporary allies.
also, stop reddit spacing and remove the trip, its making me ill
>guy just goes poof
I could believe it, based on my very limited understanding of CHIM
it wasn't CHIM, he just disproved the guy with a mathematical equation. i'm not sure it constitutes as a zero-sum on your path to CHIM.
way i see it, the dragonborn can counter both interpretations of the chosen undead. turn undead if he's considered an undead, bend will if not. soul tear should put him down for good regardless if i'm understanding this hollowing business correctly
>turn undead if he's considered an undead, bend will if not.
the thing is, is that its like the rest of the matchup, work or not, it doesn't actually *permanently* kill the CU
I'm fairly certain the DB outstats the CU in every way (aside from maybe strength), and even if he didn't, the DB certainly out hax's the CU
the problem is, it brings the DB to the same point as before, a fresh CU (easily "killed" once more, likely) ad infinite
>soul tear, soul gems, etc
the CU unironically does not need a soul, and it seems thats the interpretation they are going with
?t=77
also, everyone is ignoring pic related, which even removes the ONE drawback of being undead
>thats dark souls 2
yes, and that game was far worse, especially lore wise
but they seem to be using footage from dks 2, so it might come into play
>doesn't actually permanently kill
According to Dark Souls lore it does. You lose soul(s), hollow, lose all will, and die. Shitheads continuing to use the gameplay loop are as legitimate as saying the DB can just console command and save scum the CU. It's all disingenuous moronation and you homosexuals should be ashamed
>seems it
Stopped reading there. Worthless diatribe detected.
Also nta
i would say the applications of the words themselves are a limitation too. you can't just, at least to my knowledge, turn someone into fire by shouting yol at them. you shoot fire at them. when you use slow time you're literally shouting AT time and compelling it to move slower. but what is the fabric of time? where is it? in the case of this matchup it becomes muddled by so much conjecture it's insane. when you use soul tear you turn your target into an undead thrall because of the last word "zol" which means "zombie". not zombies as in night of the living dead, but spiritual undead. so perhaps the dragonborn would be able to target the chosen undead directly with "zol" and then use miraak's zii los dii du shout on him and...frankly that's a wrap. but like i said it's 100% conjecture. IMO when the greybeards lured you by shouting "DOVAHKIIN" that was akin to you summoning Odahviing. meaning it can be an appellation and not a name that targets you. and the words of dragonrend must be examined thoroughly. i know the chosen undead isn't immortal per se. he can die. but look at the other words: zah (finite) and frul (temporary). could something be extrapolated? what if the first flame gets a mouthful of those words?
>yet we know that he isn't killed and is in fact only delayed/still exists
that's speculative but he is a special case as an agent of aka/auriel. he is necessary for the order of things, namely the end of all things and the beginning of the new kalpa. alduin is a GOD among dragons. it's worth mentioning that paarthurnax claims alduin is "no more".
i just remembered there's a story where some guy uses a fortify intelligence spell and mathematically disproves the existence of some other guy and the other guy just goes poof. but this was probably either an embellishment or an outright fairy tale lol
>i would say
Stopped reading there. Worthless diatribe detected
Also nta
I DO DECLARE then you homosexual
let me frame it like this. in elder scrolls the basic concept of magic is that you have your mana/magicka pool. you use a spell, you burn magicka to use this pool of energy to trigger a reaction. the reaction is by persuasion of the natural order, and this is most aptly seen with the school of alteration, which IS just straight up reality warping (see Reality and Other Falsehoods). you wanna use a fire spell, you burn the magicka, triggering the reaction which turns it into fire which you proceed to shoot out of your hands.
when you want to use the thu'um for the purpose of fire you have to proclaim fire as your troth, by fully understanding the meaning of the word in the dovahzul and reality will accommodate you. no bullshit mana/magicka burning and no chain reaction. you say fire and fire happens. not to be a degenerate heathen but it's not unlike the words "Let There Be Light"
—AAAACK
>Chosen Undead
Weakling
>Grimm
what a gay
Could the EDF defeat the X-Com reboot duology aliens?
>Bring me Thor
>Bring me all of fiction
>Average DB youtuber IQ
Good lord...
To be fair the bottom ones are right
These are the people who get hyped for episodes not because they care about the matchup, but because Swan is the one directing it.
the spongebob vs superfriends aquaman episode was pretty cool ngl
>Scores going that high in general
Ignoring that still abysmally shit rankings for that season. I'd also argue Jason VS Michael was worse than Vegito VS Gogeta. Outside of the reputation, the episode itself was trash on pretty much all fronts.
Alright i can see their point about spunchbop vs aquakek as the best episode of this season but calling magneto vs tetsuo a 10/10 even for death battle's standards is just screaming "yeah im a shill but i won't admit it"
This season was fricking ass and its sad to see how moronic the fans are defending this low quality mid, i miss when death battle didn't have jank in their animations with stiff and awkward movements
Also praising that the zatanna drawn bit at the end was embarrassing, they try so hard to ape off anime and it just reeks of cultural insecurity and less comprehension of the base media, kind of like DC itself... (Wow, more reasons to believe the Bias Theory)
This is true, later in the video he says Swan is the best writer
If you said otherwise homosexuals from reddit will call you a hater
I was talking about nemesis who actually fricking said “I don’t care about CU vs DB but I’m hyped because Swan is writing!”
I don’t get how people like him exist. I remember when DB didn’t have fricking hero worship.
nemesis is adjusting his act because he now thinks he has a shot at joining the team
>Goes to vsbattles wiki to conduct his "research"
>Uses reddit respect threads otherwise
>This is the research team everyone lauds
Honestly death battle was better without this research team bringing in wank for pretty much every character. At least Ben and Chad tried to genuinely find out the characters' power level. Now it's just who can get wanked to conceptual level the fastest based on some vague statement made in some coloring book.
honestly, I'd love to be on the team cause 1. I'd get paid for that shit and 2. It may let me ring in Swan's autism
I gotta be honest, I'm assuming its mainly the Death Battle sup that shills for Swan, cause I go on Who Would Win, and anytime he's in an ep prominently like with Jonathan or Dio, everyone trashes his takes
Alright, now I'm interested in whose video this is.
I think nemesis bloodryche or biff weed.
Biff Weed
Nemesis is just his "bestie"
I know I shouldn't look at vsbattlewiki but can someone explain to me why they have this verse around Multi Galaxy to Universal? Like what the frick happens in this show??
I think Chat Noir literally destroys the universe in some parallel future thing? Something like that.
Cat guy gets turned evil and turns into cat Blanco, creates an energy ball that dwarves galaxies, and is implied to have destroyed the universe as a character with time traveling powers was unable to get to the future since it no longer existed
I think it’s the wish thing. See they can combine their two respective items for a wish that will change reality. With a caveat. First the ladybug item makes a new universe while the cat item nukes the old Universe to make space. However it’s only when wielded together do they get that strong
There’s also Chat Noir destroying Pixelator’s dimension
Chat Noir on-screen galaxy busts in an alternate timeline. God I love this shit
>My power is to have whatever object I need at the moment
>My power is to literally hakai shit
Strongest Cyanide and Happiness character?
El Reverso
So the top tiers of the verse are just El Reverso and Half-Off-Oscar
LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, WE GOT HIM
I still see people elsewhere unironically seething about that fight. Hasn’t it been like 4 years already?
Oh no, this is in their blooper video they just posted, you have to be a champion to see it though.
I was just commenting on the bengays still seething after all this time, you’d think they would have gotten over it by now
i see more mentions of bengays seething than actual benfafgs seething. it seems like halgays are the ones stuck in the past
t.bengay
I mean its the last time Hal was relevant
the outcome was correct but it needed a better explanation
What happened
Quick question: Does Thor’s weight sound right to any of you for his stats? He weighs over 600 pounds. Just how dense are his muscles
Asgardians are some 3 times denser than humans, and that goes for everything from muscles to bones. This goes for Olympians too, and some aliens. If anything he's too light.
Wrestlinggays get the rope?
>Hogan putting the hulk over
Even the flash recognized the powers of Macho Madness
Some might cost a little. Some might cost a lot. But I'm the Million Dollar Man...and Lex you will be bought HAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHA
How did Glonth make it into that panel?
I love BRICKS.
Hope so
Alright, so we're getting something new after Chosen Undead vs Dragonborn, right? They said they were saving the poll fights for the end.
It'd be curious if it actually did go in a circle like pic, cause that'd mean the finale is the wave (which is possible Kyogre vs Chaos) and ngl that'd be a letdown.
It could be Harry Potter vs Percy Jackson.
Which symbol is predicted to be bill cipher vs horse guy? I need to know when to skip the episode.
The one on Dec 3 represents "shuffle" or "random" on some media players, so some people think that one. Or the question mark.
Best guesses are pentagram (they both make use of the symbol) and question mark (because they're both lol random).
Personally, I'm thinking the pentagram is either Devilman, Hellboy, or Etrigan. It'd be a further stretch, but you could also say Ghost Rider and Spawn (though flames and/or chains would be a more fitting image)
Ghost Rider vs Spawn is long overdue.
If its not it, at least let it be doomchief 2
is rune king thor canon to esrth 616?
I kinda want to see Son Goku vs Jin Mori.
Fricking tard souls up in here
Notes on the latest podcast:
>Fricking joke matches
>Josh arguing for Dom, Swan for Kiryu
>Swan's opening statement still erroneously compares RGG to GTA, declares statistical superiority, martial arts, JRPG stuff, items
>Josh compares Dom to Captain America stats-wise
>Swan actually hasn't played RGG, but still somehow says they're the F&F of video games, calls it "superhero anime"
>Swan brings up Vin Diesel's contract about not losing in F&F, says it doesn't apply to the character alone
>Sam thinks Kiryu is stronger than Dom
>Swan wants to see this fight
>Swan thinks Kiryu has stopped a charging bull, thrown motorcycles, fought a guy who wrestles large wild animals as training, a building-sized zombie monster in a non-canon zombie spinoff game, brings up an image of Majima carrying a cannon but doesn't properly identify him as such, is strong enough to bring through stone with single blows
>Josh brings up Dom repeatedly surviving head-on car collisions with no damage, made a chasm with a stomp which Swan corrects to say it was an already damaged collapsing parking structure, Josh says Dom started the collapse, some discussion about said feat
>Swan says Kiryu has a lightsaber
>Swan's opening statement still erroneously compares RGG to GTA
I want to fricking punch Swan's fricking face until he's lookin' like Doyle after Katsumi got done with him.
>Josh says "the crux of my argument is that Dom is indestructible", supporting evidence is Dom just being unharmed after a lot of crashes
>Swan says Kiryu has ki, which he infuses into his vehicles as an extension of his own fighting style, survives rocket launchers to the face, survives a large point blank explosion completely unharmed, has dodged bullets by looking at them in slow motion
>Josh says Dom has taken out a drone using a car, all the crazy stuff he does is by using a car
>Brief talk about Ray vs Hank, the Thanos-Ant Man joke thing
>Swan talks about Kiryu's self-made martial art, which he used to defeat a Taskmaster-like master assassin, an opponent that can telekinetically control helicopters, can instantly learn martial arts by witnessing a few moves, has stats enhancing items, items that bring him back to life after dying
>Josh brings up the time Dom brings down a tunnel by pulling down chains
>This fight seems entirely predicated on jokes
>Josh's closing argument is a joke, Swan's closing argument is very thorough
>Sam does not appear to be very enthused about this matchup, gives a pretty sober set of reasons as to why he's voting Kiryu
>Ben's vote is a joke
>Kiryu wins 3-1
>Ben likes the idea, wants to do a car-fu matchup, Swan also likes it, wants to hear other ideas for other car-fu fights, Sam also wants to see a car-based fight
>Swan is directing Chosen Undead vs Dragonborn
>Car fight
Pls pls pls don't bring back Death Race
Swan wanted to bring it back, declared as such.
>swan is directing
It's going to be absolute shit. Recusal needs to be a thing
>Swan is directing Chosen Undead vs Dragonborn
Oh boy here we go
>Swan is directing
Of fricking course he is
>They're seriously going to consider Kiryu vs Dom Lorento over Wei Shen
Will CU winning be the new Toph vs Gaara?
No it'll be the new Madara vs Aizen.
I found him
I fricking found the fricker who thinks Naruto is Multiversal.
He isn't playing a bit, he genuinely is moronic.
Where?
In our hearts.
Twitter.
I'd drop his name but I might get b& for doxxing so I'll just say I saw him in a reply to a Naruto dying to Kid Buu meme.
New thread, move when needed.
I prefer the Ben vs Hal one
Why? It's just outrage bait. And it doesn't have any information in it.
That’s exactly why. The other one makes it feel like a general. And I don’t like general threads.
You're in a general thread buddy
>Why?
This board is full of satanists and demon possessed people drawn to the misery of children
The other one is 3 minutes older, though.