Decisive proof that sticking closer to the source material doesn't always make for a better movie
Decisive proof that sticking closer to the source material doesn't always make for a better movie
Decisive proof that sticking closer to the source material doesn't always make for a better movie
The big problem was Johnny Depp and the bad CGI.
Johnny was fine, it was Burton's moronic direction that ruined it. Same with Alice in Wonderland. Looks like shit and has an awkward tone that doesn't appeal to anyone.
Burton has no self control.
I hate how he's such an awkward weirdo, and the laugh is super annoying.
It worked in this movie THOUGH. Wonka is supposed to be a fricking weirdo.
The Depp version was based on Michael Jackson.
he acts like a freacking troony in this one
I don't know if it was him or just the character (Burton is the King of Cringe after all), but holy shit that was bad.
Burton just makes weird movies whether he intends to or not
If capeshit lasts longer than the next few years, we better hope this is the case for the comics they're putting out right now
To be fair characters like Kamala, Ironheart, fem Thor and America Chavez aren’t as bad in the MCU as they’re in the comics, they’re still fricking terrible though
they both had their merits. Gene Wilder clearly stole the show and made a superior adaption, but Depp and Deep Roy weren't bad either
Deep Roy sucked, I hated his oompa loompa(s)
Besides the iconic originals loompa song, Deep is the objectively better loompa. The originals didn’t even all speak English and are clearly just barely getting the choreography right. They look like drunks they scooped up off Sunset blvd. Deep’s had more good gags as well.
The only thing that makes the first one better is the fact that it was made in the 1970s, so the acting is better and the movie feels more innocent and sincere. But it's still a terrible movie about a psychopath torturing children.
true. it has a lot cognitive dissonance - the difference with the Depp production was that it reminded the audience they can't have it both ways.
Blue hands typed this post
>Blue hands
better run for it
OH N-
https://www.broadwayworld.com/japan/article/Koichi-Domoto-Will-Star-as-Willy-Wonka-in-the-Japan-Run-of-CHARLIE-AND-THE-CHOCOLATE-FACTORY-20230327
>those spider veins
reaching body horror territory
It already is.
>But it's still a terrible movie about a psychopath torturing children.
Or like an old Grims' fable where moral imperfections ended in awful endings.
As they should
>NNNNNNNOOOOO YOU CANT JUST DROWN ME IN CHOCOLATE FOR BEING A FATASS
get bent fatty
Lie about a pair of shoes fitting?
Frick you we'll take toes until it fits.
>chewing gum is a moral imperfection
He didn't torture the children. He let them do whatever they wanted but advised them not to do so. Children don't understand the concept of consequences so they didn't listen to him and they all paid the price.
>"enjoy the factory but don't do this this or this"
>do this this and this
>experience repercussions
>how could this psychopath torture me like this
Mike Teavee did nothing wrong you homosexual
I think Depp’s performance was too sinister and creepy. Like he’s luring in these kids to molest them. He doesn’t come off as a real person.
I preferred Wilder’s, “No. please. Stop.” brutal sarcasm. He’s more authentic. You can tell he’s putting on an act, but you can see the person underneath, especially at the end.
Mike Teavee did nothing wrong.
>I think Depp’s performance was too sinister and creepy. Like he’s luring in these kids to molest them. He doesn’t come off as a real person.
that's the point
Wonka is a creepy weirdo in the books, you aren't supposed to feel safe near him
It felt like Depp was doing a Michael Jackson impression. Wilder being a grumpy old man getting annoyed with rude children was better.
It was a twisted parody though. There was no love behind his eyes. It was serial killer vibes.
>Augustus gets rivered
>they go on the boat in the tunnel
>there wasn't a seat available for him anyways
premeditated and monstrous
Is this from the play where they kill off the child characters? Veruca getting mauled by the squirrels was pretty brutal.
Tbf Mike Teavee survives
It's an excerpt from the original 2001 script
>gets the most brutal death for chewing gum loudly
wtf was Wonka's problem?
Director’s cut when?
That's Hot.
I haven't seen the Depp one in over a decade and still get that damn Augustus Gloop song stuck in my head.
great big stinkin nincompoop
AUGUSTUS GLOOP
SO BIG AND VILE
The remake is super mean to the children for some reason.
because they are stupid brats
That doesn't justify torturing them on purpose.
>1930s
"FIND ME EVERY MIDGET IN THE WORLD FOR MY WIZARD OF OZ MOVIE!"
>1970s
"FIND ME EVERY MIDGET IN GERMANY FOR MY WILLY WONKA MOVIE!"
>2000s
"FIND ME ONE MIDGET TO COPY AND PAST FOR MY WILLY WONKA MOVIE!"
>2020s
"NO, WE WILL NOT BE CASTING ANY MIDGETS IN OUR SNOW WHITE MOVIE, PETER DINKLAGE SAID SO!"
What's with the midget erasure in modern hollywood?
>What’s with the midget erasure in modern hollywood?
Midgetflation, they’ve realized their value in the entertainment industry and are now asking for so much for so little.
That reminds me of the time I saw the Austin Powers 3 ad in the theater that was just a parade of midgets and I laughed so hard my cheeks hurt
You aren't wrong though, it's like how they erase Native American imagery from sports logos and butter boxes, saying dressing like them and using that aesthetic is racist. Is that not just a roundabout way of making them disappear?
You act like natives made those
Don't let Cinemaphilegays hear you say that!
Seriously, their critique on whether capeshit is good or not is how close it is to the comic book. Could be an amazing film! But if it diverges from their little coloring books, they have a meltdown. Just visit any Deadpool spam thread.
You can't even really say that since the later film heavily deviates with the subplot about his dentist father who hated candy.
Compared to the original film having Charlie drink the fizzy lifting pop that's a pretty minor detail.
Gene Wilder version is forced Soul / nu-Soul
Johnny Deep remake is organic Soul
Johnny Depp remake is too cruel
>teenager mistakes heckin computer graphics for "soul"
grim
What would a version of Willy Wonka made in Japan be like?
Japanese Grandpa Joe would be based
>Noone is paying for my sake, Charlie-kun, I am giving it up
>Japanese Willy Wonka
I'm happy to see the general consensus is gender bending Willy Wonka
I want her to shrink Mike Teavee and stick him in her bra.
>Japanese Augustus Gloop is barely overweight
>doesn't even fall into the chocolate river, Wonka just smacks the piss out of him for stealing a piece of candy and the Oompa Loompas sing a song about him shaming his family
Sudoku to follow?
That
is a guy
I want him to shrink Mike Teavee and drop him down the front of his underwear.
Wonka is the man
No blueberry scene, no watch
Is this real?
Impressive, very nice, now let's see the blueberry scene
Probably a bunch of fanservice for really really depressing men as well as annoying music numbers compared to moderately enjoyable ones.
That already exists, it's called Danganronpa
I’m a big supporter of not sticking closely to the source material. If I wanted the exact same story I’d just read the book again. Sticking close to the source material has a ceiling of “it was good but the book was better”
Freddie Highmore was so cute when he was little
Autist Wonka is based and realisticpilled. Timmy filters another ones
That's why deviating from the source and making a prequel is the best solution
making a prequel is literally never the best solution
please god no
He looks more like Dr. Who than Willy Wonka
OG wins for giving me nightmares about tunnels
>the director let a centipede crawl on his face for the tunnel scenes
>that machine with the bees were live bees and the kid who played Mike let them out
Movies these days can't into behind the scenes kino
It felt so unnecessary and they went to those lengths to create it? I don't understand
It's not about why
It's about why not
>hmmm, kids aren't really getting the moral lessons of not being a fat hedonistic brat
>i know, let's scar them for life by flashing scenes of insects over music that increases in intensity while inside a dark tunnel
i could see it
Nah, the producers of 1971 did it deliberately to traumatize kids with mk ultra techniques right before the questionably scripted blueberry scene as a way to test mass persuasion over kids. They know it would give a bunch of kids boners and it was deliberately done so because they knew within 20 years or so there would be tell tale signs that it slipped into the mass consciousness and surely enough it popped up all over the place starting in the 90s and rolling into the 00s. It was some early programming, and relatively innocent considering they could have given kids a fetish for rape or mutilation but instead settled for the physically impossible inflation fetish.
1971 is superior mainly because it's great contender for the most timeless film ever made, and Wilder's and the rest of the cast's performances are godly. 2005 is nice for being more faithful to the book, but it's a little too hyperactive and weird.
Wonka is my favorite kid's movie because the themes are characters are so timeless, you can change them in all sorts of ways, and as long as it gets the same point across, it still works. That stageplay from a few years ago is a good example of this. The other reason is the blueberry scene gave me a boner, and now I am an architect who wants to frick spherical blue b***hes.
Blueberry fields forever
glad I am not the only one who had this experience
I wonder how many blueberry chads there are out there
>he doesn't know
All over the globe.
Post moar berry pics done by japs
What do we say?~
Thank you~
Does anyone know the picture says?
The ass drop moment really does elevate the newer version, good to see it was noticed.
Literally thousands.
I can only assume we share some similar characteristics as a result. Every once in awhile I notice some king strolling around with a gf who sports the 71 aesthetics and I know he made it. And there are a LOT of girls who signal hard around Halloween with the burton-Esque getup. I knew one who was fricking THICC and did violet for a Halloween party but actually cut her hair and wore blue on and off for the rest of the month. I fricked it up by coming off too desperate but I managed to bag another who put out much more subtle vibes.
Interesting. It's always been Veruca for me. I like em bossy and spoiled <3
I had a crush on her as a kid
same only as a kid tho haha
she looked like my crush at school back then. Good times
Ayyyy
Unironically the most recent Willy Wonka performance.
I pretty much prefer the sequel, the train film one
The Depp Wonka is the better version and I'm sick of pretending it isn't. Also, this PS2 game
Did they ever figure out the boob easter egg?
no, I never got past the mike tv level. there were boobies in the game?
I don't know. Apparently, some guys found that a piece of dialogue saying "Show me your boobs" or something like that exists in the game's files along with a texture of boobs. It was either an easter egg or somebody left the texture in as a joke.
>praises something shitty from the last 10 years
>uses obnoxious overused meme phrase
yeah, you're underage
>2005
>last 10 years
ok moron
frick me I forgot it was that old
what the frick
happens to the best of us
Depp wanka is like watching a fever dream.
So was Johnny Depp supposed to be Michael Jackson? Mid-00s normies absolutely loathed poor Wacko Jacko, and it feels like that was the concept behind the 2005 one. Eccentric man builds wonderland for children because he seems to like the concept of childhood too much, never got to be accepted for himself by his overbearing/abusive father so he creepily lives through children.
Its like it has perverted undertones or something.
Reminder that if you prefer the 1971 movie over the 2005 one, you are literally a RLMcvck.
?
Why doens't the original feel like a 70s film, yet the 2000s version feels painfully like a 2000s film?
The stuff before they get to the factory absolutely feels like a 70s British comedy aside from all the kids weirdly being American:
didn't roald dahl literally unironically write the 70's movie?
He wrote it but they then changed his screenplay and banned him from the set. He also hated that Wilder played Wonka "like a drunk".
Neither version gets Wonka correct
Dahl was a grumpy old codger who basically wrote Mike just so he could have an excuse to shit on television for six pages. Guy deserved to have his trash rewritten.
JEW
yes, but he was honest about his people and why hitler disliked them
"one of the good ones" kek
Same with Stephen king and his shining
>tfw there will never be a Great Glass Elevator film
Was it too kino for cinema?
It's a weird weird book and it's fricking terrifying at times for a kid (even more than normal for Dahl).
>completely silent mist field void
>Nothing at all around other than mist
>it's filled with silent, invisible monsters that you won't know are creeping up on you until they strike and and you die a painful death
>Charlie's grandmother's ghost slowly floating towards them, fading in and out.
There's also that joke about the Chinese...
Apparently it is going to be one of the Wonka books Netflix are adapting though.
I like both
I like both around the same.
Remake is far and away better
I drank the vodka bottles on the plane
Those are some sexy little girls Ollie.
The kids were hotter in the new one
>The unruly Veruca Salt may have been more than a handful for her overly permissive parents in "Willy Wonka and the Chocolate Factory," but the actress who played her, Julie Dawn Cole, could not control an unexpected real-life development during filming as she, well, developed.
>"When we were filming I was 12, almost 13, and different things happen physically to a young girl at that age," explained Cole. "So I started as a very flat-chested 12-year-old, but I was quite proud, as any 12-year-old would be, about what was happening up top. Of course they filmed out of sequence, so we did the factory gates first of all, then something else. We finally did my finding of the golden ticket six weeks into the filming, by which time I had become a proud 32 AA."
>"You probably don't remember this, Mel, but I remember because I'm scarred by this for life, and you owe me many sessions of therapy," she teased, "but you and [producer] Stan Margulies stood around discussing whether I needed to wear binders because you could see my bumps. I was immensely proud of them, and you were going, 'No, you can't see them.' And Stan Margulies was going, 'Yes, you can.' 'No, you can't.' I'm going [speaks excitedly], 'Yes, you can! Yes, you can!' Anyway, I figured you inhibited my development, and I never became a DD. That's never been told before."
The Depp version was better and had catchier songs
Gene Wilder as Wonka and Roy Deep as oompa loompa
The Gene Wilder version is somewhat better but they’re not that different in quality. The original movie isn’t as good as people say it is, and the remake isn’t as bad as people say.