>delayed until next year

>delayed until next year
Frick it I'll just fricking read it frick you Kirkman

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  1. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    Perhaps they'll give Immortal a power boost in the show like they're giving Omni Man..

    • 7 months ago
      Anonymous

      They've already given immortal a power boost. Nolans been nerfed really.

      • 7 months ago
        Anonymous

        How's that

        • 7 months ago
          Anonymous

          Immortal wasn't even able to put a scratch on Nolan in either of their "fights" in the comic and falls behind Mark not long after.

          • 7 months ago
            Anonymous

            waste of a character.

            • 7 months ago
              Anonymous

              Shounen brain rot. A character is more than how strong they are.

              • 7 months ago
                Anonymous

                Funny you mention shounen since that's what Invincible is. Mark is Goku and no other hero matters.

              • 7 months ago
                Anonymous

                Kind of the opposite really, the entire show is trying to make mark half as interesting as nolan now that the initial hook has been spent.

              • 7 months ago
                Anonymous

                Ah so Mark is Gohan but Gohan who actually keeps the role of Earth's protector. He still has to fight Nolan, Conquest, Thragg, etc while every other hero just hopes not to die during that.
                That just gets old man. I prefer shit where multiple characters are actually relevant and can actually fight the big bads if needed and not die instantly.

              • 7 months ago
                Anonymous

                One, he’s the title character. Of course he will be involved in all major events.
                Two, the rest of the cast contributes plenty and have their own storylines.
                The Dragonball comparison isn’t as solid as you might think.

              • 7 months ago
                Anonymous

                >he's the title character
                That doesn't mean he has to do everything under the sun.
                Last you, enjoy it.

              • 7 months ago
                Anonymous

                Mark literally would have lost to Conquest without Eve, he would have lost the thragg battle without Robot, Was carried hard by Nolan during the bugussy fight and the viltrumite war, this comparison is dogshit and Mark is constantly helped out by his friends and allies

              • 7 months ago
                Anonymous

                Goku would have lost literally every fight he ever had without outside intervention.

              • 7 months ago
                Anonymous

                Mark literally would have lost to Conquest without Eve, he would have lost the thragg battle without Robot, Was carried hard by Nolan during the bugussy fight and the viltrumite war, this comparison is dogshit and Mark is constantly helped out by his friends and allies

                Even the strongest guy can't do it alone. Guess that's why Superman has the league of Justice.

              • 7 months ago
                Anonymous

                That's a beautiful lesson for life. Even Superman needs a Justice League.

              • 7 months ago
                Anonymous

                Yeah, it's kind of sweet. No man is an island.

              • 7 months ago
                Anonymous

                Mark literally would have lost to Conquest without Eve, he would have lost the thragg battle without Robot, Was carried hard by Nolan during the bugussy fight and the viltrumite war, this comparison is dogshit and Mark is constantly helped out by his friends and allies

                Yeah except if Conquest punched Superman to the floor then here comes Diana, Billy, Martian Manhunter, and any other number of damn near flying bricks with extra special powers to fight him as someone goes to dust off Superman.
                Sure, Eve healed Mark but that's it. She nor did anyone else go and start hammering him in the mean time did they?

              • 7 months ago
                Anonymous

                She peeled out his entire skin and made him unable to move, i'd count that as an assist

              • 7 months ago
                Anonymous

                Could have sworn the final Thragg fight was just a prevented suicide pact. Otherwise Mark could have just held him down in the sun if he thought he was 100% fricked.

              • 7 months ago
                Anonymous

                Mark is Gohan.

              • 7 months ago
                Anonymous

                Ah so Mark is Gohan but Gohan who actually keeps the role of Earth's protector. He still has to fight Nolan, Conquest, Thragg, etc while every other hero just hopes not to die during that.
                That just gets old man. I prefer shit where multiple characters are actually relevant and can actually fight the big bads if needed and not die instantly.

              • 7 months ago
                Anonymous

                What is Immortal’s character? “Dude, I’m going to frick this barely legal cloning chick?”

              • 7 months ago
                Anonymous

                Arrogant elder statesman hero. A representative of the old guard who occasionally plays off Mark’s developing ideas of what it means to be a superhero.
                Occasional opposition.

              • 7 months ago
                Anonymous

                Twitter moment

              • 7 months ago
                Anonymous

                I just want to know if Kate always showers with two extras of herself.

              • 7 months ago
                Anonymous

                The Lincoln is Immortal thing gets stupider the more you think about it

              • 7 months ago
                Anonymous

                I detest Lincoln so I try not to think about that.

              • 7 months ago
                Anonymous

                moronic conservative with no media literacy? Checks out

              • 7 months ago
                Anonymous

                The Real Lincoln by Thomas DiLorenzo

              • 7 months ago
                Anonymous

                Immortal was Lincoln's body double and the real Lincoln continued his life as a vampire hunter post Immortal's death.

              • 7 months ago
                Anonymous

                only if you think lincoln was a flawless saint. he wasn't.

              • 7 months ago
                Anonymous

                >those two times the Immortal jumped out of a building to stop a vote
                no wonder he survived

              • 7 months ago
                Anonymous

                Fricking Whigs.

              • 7 months ago
                Anonymous

                To have someone to scrub my back? I would.

                I'm not OP but I also wanted to start reading the comics because I keep getting spoiled by random threads here and it's really pissing me off. Wich is a shame because I was really enjoying the show.
                How many issues of the comics have been adapted so far? And is the comic the same, worst or better than the show in your personal opinion?

                Some of the events of the comics are shuffled for the show, 26ish sounds right, give or take.
                I think the show is worse, just by contrast. I liked S1 so I read the comics, and I just kept finding myself saying "wait why did they change that? That makes less sense"
                The show does elaborate on certain elements the comic just glossed over quickly, which I appreciate and is one of the things that is going to keep me watching the show.

                Immortal is literally Krillin. The relatively weak human character who dies a lot and gradually becomes less important as the setting moves to space.

                Krillin had more to him than his ability to fight, and was pretty important on Namek. Immortal is more like Yamcha.

              • 7 months ago
                Anonymous

                >To have someone to scrub my back? I would.
                Yeah you right.
                I assume Kate can dismiss them without having to turn them into paste

              • 7 months ago
                Anonymous

                Yeah there's no charming effect for it they just walk into each other. I guess their splitting looks the same but in reverse. Honestly Kate has a ton of utility besides her virtual immortality. They don't even halfass explain the physics of it like they do with Eve. It seems like Kate could clone anything she's wearing, though I'm not sure I've seen her dupe outside the suit.

              • 7 months ago
                Anonymous

                If Kate was standing there in full /k/ommando load out and say, holding a rifle (let's say an HK416) and she began to duplicate, are all her clones now standing there fully kitted out like some operators?

              • 7 months ago
                Anonymous

                A clone hero making use of duped weaponry for their own personal army sounds kinda fun before. I know I've thought of a (dumb) hero named Arms Race who's a speedster but uses guns even though they can move faster than bullets. A self-nerf I guess bc they think guns are way cooler.

              • 7 months ago
                Anonymous

                That actually kind of sounds cool as shit, especially if you implement some common sense restrictions to the speed powers like punching a steel wall a million times at super speed isn't much more effective than punching it a million times at normal speed, or having to make sure the bullet leaves the barrels of the guns he's firing before moving on to the next shot, or having to explain to people that just because he can move fast, he still experiences time normally as the world slows down around him, so sure, he CAN run 5 miles to the store and back faster than you can blink, but do YOU want to run 5 miles to the store, grab a bunch of shit, and then run another 5 miles back? Maybe have him spend as little time sped up as possible because he had a traumatic experience when he first got his powers and spent like a year in accelerated time and it went by in only a moment to everyone else.

                Makes for an interesting character if you have to think about what is actually practical for one man to do alone while the world is frozen.

              • 7 months ago
                Anonymous

                Quicksilver when he is actually written in an interesting way is like this.

              • 7 months ago
                Anonymous

                >A clone hero making use of duped weaponry for their own personal army sounds kinda fun before.
                Reprise is a Hardware villain that does this.

              • 7 months ago
                Anonymous

                I'll check them out

              • 7 months ago
                Anonymous

                That actually kind of sounds cool as shit, especially if you implement some common sense restrictions to the speed powers like punching a steel wall a million times at super speed isn't much more effective than punching it a million times at normal speed, or having to make sure the bullet leaves the barrels of the guns he's firing before moving on to the next shot, or having to explain to people that just because he can move fast, he still experiences time normally as the world slows down around him, so sure, he CAN run 5 miles to the store and back faster than you can blink, but do YOU want to run 5 miles to the store, grab a bunch of shit, and then run another 5 miles back? Maybe have him spend as little time sped up as possible because he had a traumatic experience when he first got his powers and spent like a year in accelerated time and it went by in only a moment to everyone else.

                Makes for an interesting character if you have to think about what is actually practical for one man to do alone while the world is frozen.

              • 7 months ago
                Anonymous

                She kind of does that with Rex in show. He gives her a bomb and she dupes herself then each of them run into an enemy or toss them.

              • 7 months ago
                Anonymous

                I think Yamcha at the start of the android saga could unironically kill Thragg.

              • 7 months ago
                Anonymous

                The Yamcha who fought a saibaman who is equal to Raditz to a draw wolf fangs right through Thragg's chest.

              • 7 months ago
                Anonymous

                How so?

              • 7 months ago
                Anonymous

                probably kinda helpful to get fully clean

              • 7 months ago
                Anonymous

                Yeah you right

              • 7 months ago
                Anonymous

                Sorry big I but Dupli-Kate is going to be with my OC!

              • 7 months ago
                Anonymous

                Not all of us would go full homosexual if we could make a free back washer.

                Real question is if the sex stays a threesome deal or goes full on orgy.

              • 7 months ago
                Anonymous

                wow you actually made immortal sound cool

              • 7 months ago
                Anonymous

                The problem is that he is supposed to be a professional team leader and the first thing he does is frick Kate after like a week
                Immortal sucks. He is weak, uncharismatic and a shit leader despite thousands of years of sxperience

            • 7 months ago
              Anonymous

              I know everyone wants to say it's just the evil superman trope but part of the whole point of the Viltrumites is they are ungodly, not even remotely close to "fair", unstoppably powerful. In most multiverses Mark sides with his father and the two steamroll the entire planet without any real effort.

              And a whole empire worth of these frickers is coming.

              • 7 months ago
                Anonymous

                Yeah

                Funny you mention shounen since that's what Invincible is. Mark is Goku and no other hero matters.

              • 7 months ago
                Anonymous

                Meh. Shounen is about endlessly powering up. Invincible is more like facing certain death cause what the frick else can you do?

                Of course it doesn't stay that way, but it's not due to training montages and the power of friendship.

              • 7 months ago
                Anonymous

                I'm talking more about how Mark fights every big bad and everybody else has to sit with penis in hand hoping he manages to win.

              • 7 months ago
                Anonymous

                >Shounen is about endlessly powering up.
                False

            • 7 months ago
              Anonymous

              Shounen brain rot. A character is more than how strong they are.

              isnt that kinda the point though in the first arch at least? That literally nothing on earth but A viltrumite can stand up to omniman.

              • 7 months ago
                Anonymous

                Does that ever change?

              • 7 months ago
                Anonymous

                Does that ever change?

                Kinda. Late game robot could definitely take down a few with sound had. He even kills an alt Mark. Dinosaurus seemed to be really high up there in strength and durability. Which is kinda random. Invincible War had a bunch of alt Marks taken down by the GotG but who knows how strong they were. Probably a little stronger than current Mark.

          • 7 months ago
            Anonymous

            Immortal is literally Krillin. The relatively weak human character who dies a lot and gradually becomes less important as the setting moves to space.

            • 7 months ago
              Anonymous

              Which is funny because Krillin mogs Thragg.

              • 7 months ago
                Anonymous

                Krillin would beg Thragg to frick his wife due to his sheer sex appeal and force of character/presence as the perfect man.

                It matters not that Saiyan Saga Krillin's saibaman nuking blast would be enough to turn Thragg into a fine bloody mist.

              • 7 months ago
                Anonymous

                Well I guess I can't argue with those numbers, fellow SCHOLAR.

              • 7 months ago
                Anonymous

                What the frick is up with DBZgays and cucking?

              • 7 months ago
                Anonymous

                When you're a DBZ fan and your favorite character is not named Goku or Vegeta, cucking is all you do.

              • 7 months ago
                Anonymous

                Bejita*
                Conduct yourself properly even outside of the halls.

              • 7 months ago
                Anonymous

                You're right.

              • 7 months ago
                Anonymous

                Cucking is an ultimate form of humiliation, so the character (Vegetable) best known for being humiliated by the villain (main or side) would be cucked a lot. It's a very big problem in the Shonen part of Cinemaphile whenever a fight occurs.

              • 7 months ago
                Anonymous

                Well I guess I can't argue with those numbers, fellow SCHOLAR.

                Reddit

              • 7 months ago
                Anonymous

                All the Z-Fighters are leagues above most superhero universes by the end of Z. That's what happens when power levels get completely bullshit.

        • 7 months ago
          Anonymous

          >fanart vs reality

        • 7 months ago
          Anonymous

          Not fanart btw

        • 7 months ago
          Anonymous

          At least I am.. Invincible
          >farts

  2. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    The animation was never stellar so how bad are the conditions that they had to delay it?

    • 7 months ago
      Anonymous

      If Kirkman is to be believed they essentially had to restart production after Covid

      • 7 months ago
        Anonymous

        I hope this is true and season 3 has better animation. Comic adaptations this close to the source material basically don't exist anymore, so I really want to love Invincible, but the animation is very choppy

        • 7 months ago
          Anonymous

          >having an adaptation that's faithful to the original source material
          Gee, must be nice...

          • 7 months ago
            Anonymous

            Oof

          • 7 months ago
            Anonymous

            Don't care, he's hot

          • 7 months ago
            Anonymous

            that looks like a woman

          • 7 months ago
            Anonymous

            I will take Nolan being a memetastic psycho any day over Mark getting busy pushed in by two killer twins.

      • 7 months ago
        Anonymous

        I wonder how many people are regretting going along with that propaganda known as COVID.

    • 7 months ago
      Anonymous

      crunch is a natural part of any entertainment medium
      but animation is kind of under a microscope
      fans have been very vocal on wanting animators to be treated "fairly" and its already a medium where they frequently miss deadlines anyways
      also Invincible is popular enough to get away with it

    • 7 months ago
      Anonymous

      It doesn't really have anything to do with the production (they're literally already animating season three), Amazon just delayed it so they'll have more shows in 2024 because of the strikes.

  3. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    Isn't it done or did they actually not finish it from what I remember it's early next year like January or February release?

  4. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    It's only almost month
    Season 2's second half's release date got leaked for early January
    That said, I'm starting to tinfoil over the idea that Kirkman deliberately did this increase book sales given new Invincible reprints are coming out with the "Read my books" line being a conscious choice to subconsciously convince people to read the source material instead of wait

    • 7 months ago
      Anonymous

      This, it's no surprise the omnibus books are on sale. Classic sales tactic
      >drip feed new thing
      >ppl get interested
      >ppl want more content
      >stop the feed but remind them other media covering said thing exists
      >ppl buy the comics, movies, books, etc to sate their want for more until said drip feed starts again.

      Invincible wasn't even shilled comic wise in season 1, now everyone is like comic mark this and future character that so its not a surprise they cut you off before the show alone is enough. They did the same thing with The Boys.

      • 7 months ago
        Anonymous

        Yes but The Boys comic was fricking dog shit compared to the show.

    • 7 months ago
      Anonymous

      >"Read my books" line being a conscious choice to subconsciously convince people to read the source material instead of wait

      Absolutely devilish.

    • 7 months ago
      Anonymous

      Well people have been begging the west to be more like Japan. A good chunk of anime is only made for selling manga and light novels,

      • 7 months ago
        Anonymous

        Also helps like manga you can just start reading at Invincible no 1 and get a complete story. Sure there's a couple spin offs but you can ignore those without losing much.

        • 7 months ago
          Anonymous

          Except for that one part where you have to read a seperate special one-shot Viltrumite War prelude in between issues from the main comic

    • 7 months ago
      Anonymous

      I hate this half season bullshit. Just release it week after week once it's done. You get diminishing returns on audience retention with half season bullshit

      • 7 months ago
        Anonymous

        They are already working on S3.

    • 7 months ago
      Anonymous

      >That said, I'm starting to tinfoil over the idea that Kirkman deliberately did this increase book sales given new Invincible reprints are coming out with the "Read my books" line being a conscious choice to subconsciously convince people to read the source material instead of wait
      Kino

  5. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    lel is just a seasonal holiday,
    weirdest fricking decision but short.

  6. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    If the episodes were nearly an hour long I'd be okay with this.

  7. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    whaaat? alright, whatever..

  8. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    They made a frickton of money from comic sales after the success of the first season. Presumably production will get back on track after this rough second season.

    • 7 months ago
      Anonymous

      Over half a million when S1 first started airing

  9. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    Next year January, right? It’s not that big of a delay.

    • 7 months ago
      Anonymous

      January or February from the sounds of things.

  10. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    I'm not OP but I also wanted to start reading the comics because I keep getting spoiled by random threads here and it's really pissing me off. Wich is a shame because I was really enjoying the show.
    How many issues of the comics have been adapted so far? And is the comic the same, worst or better than the show in your personal opinion?

    • 7 months ago
      Anonymous

      We're in issue 26 territory iirc.

  11. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    Lincoln got what he deserved

  12. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    you can't rush art

  13. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    was cecil supposed to look and sound like trey gowdy or is that just coincidence?

  14. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    Enjoy the shittiest, most rushed and unsatisfying ending of any comic ever. Mark becomes everything he fought against in the entire comic in the span of a few pages, also Kirkman tried to redeem the rapist lady viltrumite in like 4 panels but it didn't work.

  15. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    where’s the best way to read it

    • 7 months ago
      Anonymous

      https://readcomiconline.li/Comic/Invincible

      • 7 months ago
        Anonymous

        not him but thanks cus they also have the goon

        • 7 months ago
          Anonymous

          yw

        • 7 months ago
          Anonymous

          "the goon"?

  16. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    I read a few pages, saw that it reaches a point of 'the real power was the friends we made along the way' and checked out. I'm good.

  17. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    Why don't they just outsource the animation? It won't look any different. If they used Dong Yang or something, it would've been so far along by now.

    • 7 months ago
      Anonymous

      Wait it is outsourced? what the hell the excuse here? What's wrong with this studio?

  18. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    ow

  19. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    There's like a week until next year.

    • 7 months ago
      Anonymous

      >2023/11/29
      >week till next year
      sure buddy

  20. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    Could somebody post QUALITY scenes?

    • 7 months ago
      Anonymous
  21. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    While I understand the frustrations, at the same time I kinda grew out of the "OMG I HAVE TO WAIT HOW LONG?????" Phase because... there's so much media out there to experience that 1 or 9 months flay by way faster then you think

    • 7 months ago
      Anonymous

      The real problem is going to be when it comes out and turns out being really crappy...again.

      • 7 months ago
        Anonymous

        But what if it isn't

        • 7 months ago
          Anonymous

          The trend is your friend, so far it has been crappy, so it's very likely to remain crappy.

          • 7 months ago
            Anonymous

            I'll take Invincible's current animation over some soulless Family Guy knockoff or Big Mouth shit any day.

            • 7 months ago
              Anonymous

              Bad example, animation in comedies is not all that important, whereas in action shows it's ESSENTIAL.

              • 7 months ago
                Anonymous

                Does Vox Machina count

              • 7 months ago
                Anonymous

                Haven't watched it, what about it?

              • 7 months ago
                Anonymous

                Its art and Invincible's are pretty similar, I know Amazon is behind both of em.

              • 7 months ago
                Anonymous

                >Its art and Invincible's are pretty similar
                Not a good indication.

              • 7 months ago
                Anonymous

                As I said before, I'll take it over most of the animated noodly arm shit any day.

              • 7 months ago
                Anonymous

                >noodly arm shit
                I'm assuming you mean "CalArts style", which is tired but still representative of some really great shows, but is this still a thing?
                In the other hand Netflix and HBO is churning amazing stuff and not just "Noodly arm shit"

              • 7 months ago
                Anonymous

                Name of the show?

              • 7 months ago
                Anonymous

                The Legend of Vox Machina

  22. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    >Bad example, animation in comedies is not all that important, whereas in action shows it's ESSENTIAL.

    • 7 months ago
      Anonymous

      >cry.jpg
      This sort of response is nothing but a big cope, just accept the fact the show looks crappy as frick.

  23. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    Why did Robot Brutally murder Knockout, Shapesmith, and Kid Thor? They're kinda fodder anyway

    • 7 months ago
      Anonymous

      Cuck anger.

      • 7 months ago
        Anonymous

        Bejita moment

        • 7 months ago
          Anonymous

          Who's Bejita?

          • 7 months ago
            Anonymous

            I cannot tell someone who has not walked the hallowed halls.

          • 7 months ago
            Anonymous

            >Ricksmen

  24. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    Why is everyone so much angrier at Nolan in the show? I don't remember Mark, Debbie and Art being that cold in the comics. Mark even cried while hugging him and asked him to come back.

    • 7 months ago
      Anonymous

      Was the train scene in the comic?

      • 7 months ago
        Anonymous

        not in the same way, no. Nolan was a lot more brutal in the show. He punches Mark into some subway cars but he doesn't do the whole "hold him in front and grind everyone to bits" thing

    • 7 months ago
      Anonymous

      Compare what Nolan did before leaving in comic and in the show

    • 7 months ago
      Anonymous

      >Why is everyone so much angrier at Nolan in the show?

      • 7 months ago
        Anonymous

        this scene kinda ruined his redemption arc in the show. maybe if he killed them on accident while fighting, but this shit looks more lik omniman trying to cope about wanting to kill humans when he actually didn't wanted to do it

        • 7 months ago
          Anonymous

          Oh please there are people who've done way worse than Nolan that've been redeemed in universes and by fans.

          • 7 months ago
            Anonymous

            yeah, but the train scene was a show OG, not a comic thing. that's why im sckeptical

            • 7 months ago
              Anonymous

              Fair enough.. also damn I had a character to throw in case you were like "oh yeah? who?" lmao. I guess that's what expecting everything to devolve into an argument on here has prepared me for.

    • 7 months ago
      Anonymous

      Because show is going for drama and more realistic reactions. Debi would require spouse abuse level self confidence to accept Nolan after being called a pet on a global scale.

      Fans are realizing just how fricking brutal Nolan is because the train scene makes the murders personal vs. a bunch of randoms you don't see getting killed off screen.

      Like or hate the show, it is probably one of the best depictions of a super in world of tissue paper.

  25. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    Actually, the whole Robot arc is hilarious because he saw monster girl underage body and said "would" to the point of turning himself into a shota

    • 7 months ago
      Anonymous

      Which board does Robot frequent? He sounds like a Cinemaphile user to me.

      • 7 months ago
        Anonymous

        he probably browsed /lo/ before they killed it

        Fair enough.. also damn I had a character to throw in case you were like "oh yeah? who?" lmao. I guess that's what expecting everything to devolve into an argument on here has prepared me for.

        damn homie you were already ready to rumble after being here for years.
        but thinking about it, vegeta and magneto did way worse shit and nowda6ys they're considered heroes

        • 7 months ago
          Anonymous

          Vegeta's from a universe where death bears far less weight. Not just because of the dragonballs but also because of the afterlife being an established existence. Hell is confirmed to exist in the Invincible universe but it's far less upfront about how it all works.

  26. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    This show feels like a Mexican telenovela. It reminds me of Gloryhammer, who started as a parody band and it's taking itself way too seriously with its lore now. Or OPM, for a probly better example.

  27. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    The price to pay for making it hand drawn instead of using tweening.

  28. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    Its actually alright

    The story is an allegory of how weakness will literally ducking kill you. Compassion is useless, stone cold reason is the only way to live.

    And I feel Mark Grayson is the villain

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