There's no afterlife. When you die it's over. This terrifies the theist.
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>The invention of smug
I don't understand why religious people are often the one's criticized for wishful thinking when Atheists seem to be much more guilty of it.
The general idea that your actions in life affect how you experience the after-life in a karmic capacity is a far tougher pill to swallow than simply assuming that death is final. Nothing frightens me about the idea of my existence coming to a peaceful end upon death since that means I effectively have 0 real responsibilities in life aside from just doing what I want to at any given moment, and I can get out of any problem by just killing myself.
On the other hand, if there is an after-life and it is affected by your actions in life, suddenly you're inundated with much more responsibility than you'd otherwise have, and must act accordingly.
And honestly, the latter feels like the more realistic theory to me for that reason, when has reality ever so convenient that you could escape the consequences of anything? Life is consistently a total ass-kicker, constantly feeding your the harsh consequences of your mistakes in a way that can't be escaped outside of the fleeting and temporary protection of denial and coping, and I doubt that ends when you die. So it seems to me that atheists are the ones leaning on idealistic theories moreso than any world religion. It's also just ridiculously arrogant to look at world around and, even knowing the vast and upredictable wonders of the universe uncovered so far, still think to yourself "Yup, I bet this is all there is to my particular existence"
Life has consequences for YOU, incel. Chads like me can do whatever the hell we want.
Pretty much this, unironically. Existence itself can be a punishment.
I can't tell if it's pasta because I'm not reading
Regardless of whether religion (any religion, but lets pick Christianity here) is true or not in the end, the benefits of having a Christian society is clear. In an atheist society, there would be murderers and law breakers all over because they dont fear any repercussions after death. Christianity at least keeps people in line and ensures their behaviors are clean and honorable. Look at what Christian societies have been able to build in the past 2000 years compared to other societies.
Religion has a practical use that can be distinct from a spiritual use.
I invoke rust and determine, all you christgays who need god and eternal damnation to not rape or murder are pieces of shit. Frick off you sociopathic piece of shit.
Except Scandinavian countries are the most atheist on earth, yet also have the lowest crime rates and highest standards of living. Yet Mexico is almost completely catholic and is one of the most dangerous and poor countries on the planet.
>has lived under a rock the last two decades
Tell me where he is wrong then? Because the nordic countries let brown religious people inside their country and they start destroying it suddenly changed anything?
yes, being a secular cuckold like the swedes or danes leads to the inevitable horror show that is their failed societies
But the only reason their societys are failing are because of low iq religious people... Don't you get the point?
every athiest is knowingly or unknowingly a satanist , jesus made that pretty clear.
Religions weren't even concerned about the afterlife until Christianity and Islam came around.
>he never even heard of the ancient Egyptian religion
lmao Americans... they really do...
Rob Lowe was in the movie for about 40 seconds. Does he really need a spot in the movie poster?
I love the XFM radio show and all of his TV. But his movies and stand up are horrendous. What did he mean by this?
He meant they need to play a fricking record
Let's see him mock the other two Abrahamic religions.
Come on Ricky Gervais be edgy!
Reminder that there is more evidence that trannies are women than there is evidence Jesus is the son of god
>evidence that trannies are women
How can such a thing exist? That's like saying there's evidence that the color red is actually blue.
The religious guys I have talked to usually tell me something along the lines of, without religion everyone would become gay serial killer child molesters. What I hear when they tell me this is that they themselves desperately want to do these things, but fear of hell stops them. Good I guess, but they are not people I want to know if those are the urges they are fighting down all the time.
That's how i feel, Like rules for dummies would would do it anyways if you didn't tell them not to. Imagine a sign that says " don't walk in fire ,it burns! " Now most people don't need that sign, they can see and feel the heat and realize it on there own. But before that sign, alot of dummies walked in it burning and dying, only cuz no one told them not to. my mom was raised Catholic but she has this weird mindset were she thinks only religious people have feelings or morals or intuition, it's the main reason I really hate religion, it's hijacked our natural human emotions and says " there's a spirit of a desert hippie in you! People without faith or religion are demons!!! " It's just wrong
You live in a civilization sculpted by those Christian beliefs. Go somewhere not built by Christianity like rural China or subSaharan Africa. See how man's nature absent Christianity has developed.
Like a spoiled child you bite the hand that has guided and protected you.
christianity adopted tenets that made societies functional, not the other way around.
If that's true, what modern civilization would you say is a good example of having been realized absent Christianity?
non-sequitur. Can you figure out why?
You're right that Christianity led to the enlightenment, but after enlightenment and especially in modern times we evolved beyond needing religion for anything. And worshiping israelites is just not something i want to do as a white man.
>There's an afterlife. When you die you’ll be judged for your actions. This terrifies the atheist.
It’s their sole comfort when they suffer alone.
>When you die it's over.
Yes, but no. Absence of conscious experience for eternity is a logical impossibility. There must be a continuation of "being" after your death, it's just that the nature of that continuation is unknown.
Just because you can't wrap your head around something, doesn't mean its "a logical impossibility."
No. It's like dividing by zero, you can't wrap your head around it because it fundamentally doesn't make sense. There can't be an infinite duration of "not".
>you
you mean "I." You didn't exist for an eternity before you were born.
I want you to stop and think about bafflingly stupid what you just said was. Do you need me to explain it?
Feel free to explain your bafflement.
>the time before your birth was FOREVER, until it ended
>he thinks there was a beginning of time
Uh yeah it's called the big bang
so you've just proven you can't comprehend "nothing."
>Just because you can't wrap your head around something, doesn't mean its "a logical impossibility."
kind of sounds like atheists and the concept of God
ah yes, the classic christgay "no u."
are you implying it's not true?
Atheists literally believe God is an old man sitting in the clouds granting wishes like a genie. Not even the most braindead christian yokel believes this. Atheists are literally more moronic and have less abstract thought processes than braindead christian yokels.
>no one believes biblical canon
lol
the unknowable abstract meta-space god is a recent invention.
you understand that pretending to be moronic and arguing disingenuously doesn't win arguments, right? /misc/ has lied to you.
Picrel is what motivates you to believe in sky daddy.
>Christian biblical literalists don't exist
Cope virgin
>Atheists are moronic for thinking that Christians believe in something that they actually believe in
Wow now THIS is trad and Groyperpilled
>I will now spout buzzwords and call you a groyper for some reason (that reason is because I'm losing the argument)
is it any wonder palestine is getting slaughtered again?
>post moronic no true Scotsman argument
>get called out
>declare an imagined victory
Epic tradcath moment
>dude I'm smart I go to /misc/ I even memorized the sticky picture on top of the page!
lol
Uh oh he's out of arguments now
atheists never had arguments in the first place
Nah, he's right you know
>when i think about it, the concept of non-being forever doesn't make sense, and I trust my reasoning and intuition
vs
>sure it doesn't make sense, but that's just our puny human brains! you can't trust our reason and intuition, this is beyond our understanding
>the concept of non-being forever doesn't make sense
Explain why in your own words.
How do you explain that dividing by zero doesn't make sense? It just doesn't, by the definitions of zero and division.
If you've ever had your wisdom teeth removed or something like that, think about how they knocked you out. You were sitting in the dentist's chair and suddenly you teleported to the waiting room. There was no intervening time. You are saying that after your death, there's an eternity of that. An infinite duration of... no duration. That doesn't make sense.
>anesthesia wore off therefore I will always exist
Because you exist now
>if something exists it has to exist in perpetuity
Why?
Conscious experience must be, again just by definition. There is quite simply no alternative to it.
You still haven't explained why you think that, beyond, ya know, "i've never been unconscious forever therefore I will be conscious."
This is something you have to grasp intuitively. I started out as a "its just nothing forever after your death bro" atheist but then I really thought about it and I arrived at the truth.
Think about the phenomenon of your birth. There was nothing, and then there was a "you" that just kind of emerged. Why can't this happen again after your death? And if it can happen, why WOULDN'T it happen?
you arrived at a conclusion that's comforting.
Is it? The ride never ends, so pain and suffering never ends
Samsara is not comforting.
That's why Buddhists don't seek eternal life they think they already have it. they seek eternal death.
because even if the pattern that is "you" is reassembled at some other point in eternity, there will be no connection between them. it will pop out of the void the same way you did, and then cease to exist.
There doesn't have to be a connection. It's simply another "you". It happened once, no reason it can't happen again.
so now you're talking about something completely different. can you figure out why?
The two concepts are linked and thinking about the birth thing is what led me to realize the whole thing where you can't not exist
If a "you" emerged from nothing, and there's nothing after your death, then there's nothing stopping another one from emerging. And if it can happen, then given eternity it WILL happen. And you can just repeat this ad infinitum.
You don't really think the entirety of existence is just
>there was nothing for a long long long long time and then you blip into existence at this one fricking time and place for 80 years and then that's it it's nothing forever after that
do you? That's such a fricking arbitrary and inelegant model of existence. It's just dumb
> And if it can happen, then given eternity it WILL happen. And you can just repeat this ad infinitum.
that’s sort of an arbitrary conclusion imo
you could've just said no.
your original assertion is that your consciousness must continue to exist. that non-existence can't be permanent. You've now pivoted to the idea the exact pattern that is you must be able to exist again, that its a statistical certainty given eternity. These are separate ideas you've confused. An exact copy of you won't be you. its possible there is, on earth, right now, an exact duplicate of your physical makeup, but that person isn't you. that person isn't aware of you and you aren't aware of that person.
See here you're making the assumption that your "you", your particular subjective experience, is like some particular arrangement of bits, and the only way your experience could continue is if that particular arrangement happened again. Ironically this is rooted in religious thinking, you're essentially talking about a soul, just one that dies when your body dies. I'm not talking about a soul. In fact it's kind of the opposite, what I'm saying assumes that there ISN'T anything unique about your consciousness. It's all interchangeable. You die, you're gone, and then another you is born, because why not? It's all the same shit.
do you believe that given some infinite amount of time the exact arrangement of the universe will reoccur?
I'd say no but i don't have any strong feelings about it
> the only way your experience could continue is if that particular arrangement happened again
I said the opposite of that. You did not understand
, and it seems you are in full cognitive dissonance mode.
Whatever I'm tired trying to explain it. Just keep thinking about it and you'll arrive at the same conclusion I did, it's inevitable
I'm older than you and have thought about this longer than you have. Your conclusion is wishful thinking based in personal experience, stymied by an inability to extrapolate your experiences.
Basically, you did have breakfast this morning.
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So what if you didn't come from nothing or return to nothing?
What if life is just a simulator where we lose our memories before playing for the sake of immersion and get all those memories back when we are finished playing?
>again just by definition
Define consciousness in your own words
>There is quite simply no alternative to it.
The alternative is that consciousness is ephemeral
>There must be a continuation of "being" after your death
Proof?
Calling it now Gervais pivots and becomes a weak deist who peddles self help in 10 years.
God could be 1000% fake and every single prophet, saint, or holy person since the beginning of time could be a fraud, I would STILL prefer to live in a Christian society than a gaytheist one and most people feel the same. It's the same thing with weed, potheads always argue about how much more harmful alcohol is than weed, I would MUCH rather live in an alcoholic society than a pothead society and so would everyone else.
>"I'm sure these rational and logical arguments will convince this illogical person!"
I think everyone engages in some form of illogical behaviour to stay sane. Militant atheists engage in this one.
Man tv really wants to be pol today. Running back athiests v christians and a 15 year old gervais movie?
An atheist will literally mock you about religion to your face, then immediately tell you they believe in Aliens, Time travel, alternate universes,simulation theory, and other made up shit.
what do you think VR will be like in the future?
Like minority report, but shittier and with ads everywhere.
Not if you’re a Muslim or a israelite they won’t.
I love when the goodness of God strikes anger in the heart of the Atheist.
God bless you OP.
God bless you so much.
on the contrary i can imagine about a trillion worse things that could happen. only a loving god could give us the sweet release of death