First the design has been scrapped and it’s unknown whether Keoghan will return for the role. Rumor has it Gunn wants someone with the height and reach who can physically take on Batman. Here are character details.
>Joker in this universe is heavily inspired by esotericism and the Jesters you see when you take DMT. Joker will be a user of a drug by the same manufacturers as Drops that is essentially DMT and he kind of serves this Jester in the astral realm.
>Batman is aware of this quite early on but he spends the movie really testing his faith and beliefs and is teased by the possibilities of a supernatural world in which he may be able to see his family again. There’s never anything outright but there are moments Bruce thinks he may be up against way more than a man who seems to have luck on his side at all times. All of this leads to a discussion Bruce has with a priest that if done right may be one of the best Batman scenes of all time.
>Joker is fascinated by Batman as is the Jester he serves and he discovers Batman is Bruce fairly early and then devoted his crimes to breaking him. Joker goes on on an absolutely heinous crime spree in which he targets families living comfortably or rich whereby he kills everyone in the family except a son who has to witness all of it.
>Naturally the effects of these crimes hit Batman hard and he even contemplates stopping being the Batman and starts seeing the best shrink in Gotham, and I don’t even need to tell you her name!
>Batman takes one of the victims of Joker’s crimes under his wing as Robin and that’s where I’ll leave off. When Batman finally confronts the Joker about his crimes he simply says he “wants to see how many of the orphans turn out like me, and how many turn out like you.”
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based gunn dropping the ugly irish homosexual as jonkler
sounds moronic even by Cinemaphile fan fiction standards
Na we had a lot of leaks here on the first Reeves Batman film. This is probably the same anon
why does WB need to shit out a batman movie every fricking 5 years
why cant they do once a generation like Superman
none of these bat homosexuals hold a torch to The Dark Knight
they make money and they're always well made
The Dark Knight is cringe
Sounds like Miracles which if true kino inbound. Reeves does religious supernatural horror so well
FOR FRICK'S SAKE JUST BRING FUN AND BASED JOKER BACK STOP WITH THIS GAY AND AUTISTIC REALISM SHIT NO ONE WHO'S NOT A homosexual LIKES.
>realistic
did you even read the op?
it's still grimdark bullshit. I want fricking FUN Batman and Joker again, these characters are fricking silly concepts, treat them as such.
Nobody else wants that.
>treat fictional silly characters as they are instead of embarrsingly making them le serious for the hundredth time
Why?
>how do we appeal to a wider audience?
>I know, make the characters even more juvenile
That audience needs to get their heads out of their asses and realize these are fictional fricking characters. Silly and dumb. Stop substituing them for social interaction or for actual mature stories.
Sherlock Holmes is a fictional character too, doesn't mean the stories have to be as wacky and dumb as possible.
What you're saying is that audiences should lower their expectations.
I just want something like Arkham or classic Chuck Dixon Batman. They kept the fantastical nature of the character without it intefering with the dramatic stakes of the story. It's childish to me to think that the only way to do Batman seriously is to change everythig about him and his mythos. The average comic writer back then is better and smarter than any Hollywood writer.
See Batman & Robin. It almost killed Batman as a franchise.
I'm not talking like that. Preferably, I'd prefer if they went with an Arkham games tone. Classic silliness but not at the detriment of the dramatic storylines. Of course, you'd need actual good writers for that and not nepo tinyhat hires.
>Preferably, I'd prefer if they went with an Arkham games tone.
So, a grimdark edgy plot with a childish tone?
By that logic all this "leak" needs is a silly tone and it'll be no different than arkham
>grimdark edgy plot
>Arkham Origins: Eight assasins try to kill Batman on Christmas Eve
>Arkham Asylum: Joker lets loose everyone at the Asylum
>Arkham City: Batman has to stop Hugo Strange from releasing a biochemical weapon
.Arkham Knight: Batman has to stop Scarecrow from releasing a biochemical weapon
Seems pretty standard Batman plots to me
Have you read the first appearance of Joker? There’s nothing silly about it. He’s terrifying.
I actually have not. Elaborate.
He is denied gender affirming care and is forced to live in his AMAB body. It's terrifying.
You joke but at this rate I can see Reeves considering something like this. He did make Catwoman some ugly mutt who goes muh white privilige.
He calls into a radio show and tells Gotham he will kill one of its most wealthy citizens and steal his prized diamond in 24 hours. The whole Gotham Police force goes to protect this dude and he drops dead with a smile frozen on his face and they open the vault and the diamond is gone.
There's plenty of silly Batman content out there for you. There was an animated Christmas movie for kids that dropped on prime
>Fictional characters shouldn't be treated seriously
Yeah, the first season True Detective would've really been improved if Marty was cutting loud wet farts during his entire interview, and Rust kept spouting bad puns while hunting down criminals like Adam Wests Batman.
Go play with your Batman action figures and make your own dumb juvenile story, this board is for adults
I remember being 15
I remember being 7 years old and thinking Batman & Robin was silly
Campy Batman can work if it has something to say. Watch Batman the Brave and the Bold. It's a good mixture of Silver Age stuff that deals with more adult oriented themes in some episodes
Gunn is a fricking hack
why not give us a Romero joker? idc about le EDGEY AS FRICK joker. i want goofy antics to contrast batman's no fun allowed shtick
Because goofy Batman is only enjoyed by contrarians
>All of this leads to a discussion Bruce has with a priest that if done right may be one of the best Batman scenes of all time.
What is he Daredevil now
This. Tbf though I much prefer Daredevil and find him and Wolverine to be the only capeshit characters that I feel are KINO. Batman too I guess. At least with Matt the moralgayging makes sense cause he's a devout Christian./
Wolverine is a good character with terrible stories.
Gunn should just Reeves do his thing and frick off.
>supernatural-lite stuff
Sounds awful. They'll frick it up because there aren't good enough writers in hollywood. It will inevitably be written to be "it could be supernatural, but everything can technically be explained without supernatural means". But the hack writer will have several elements that just don't make sense without supernatural shit like the villain perfectly guessing a combination or predicting some bullshit like a passing truck with a hay bale to fall onto to escape.
And as I write this, you know it's true. And you know all the midwit morons will ignore it and love it anyway
>Joker slaughtering families except the son to frick with Bruce emotionally and psychologically
K I N O
It would only be kino if they went full on dark about it. They won't because no matter how much they LARP as this being le dark, they don't have the balls. So it won't be kino.
The original story was published in 1933 dumbass.
>Joker in this universe is heavily inspired by esotericism and the Jesters you see when you take DMT. Joker will be a user of a drug by the same manufacturers as Drops that is essentially DMT and he kind of serves this Jester in the astral realm.
nobody is going to believe this, right?
They turned riddler from
>insufferable genius obsessed with riddles
to
>disgruntled autistic /misc/ack
So joker becomes
>psychopath obsessed with silly jokes
to?
I guess some kind of hallucinogenic drug addict might work
>Naturally the effects of these crimes hit Batman hard and he even contemplates stopping being the Batman and starts seeing the best shrink in Gotham, and I don’t even need to tell you her name!
Chase Meridian bros... we're going home
I thought he meant Harley Quinzel
Post synopsis
Can't be done. But it involves both a complex crime spree for Batman and not only physical but spiritual circumstances that create the Joker so he actually makes sense the COIRRECT way. There's Nazis, Commies, mobsters, an ayahuasca trip, it's actually cool and set pre-war during the political turmoil before FDR decided to outlaw anyone who questioned his meddling, which was fertile historical soil to form a more literary story about tyranny and rebellion.
>are you trying to get under my cape, doctor?
it's Leslie Thompkins
Keoghan said he's returning. Manlets can wear stilts!
No he didn’t and it’s weird to me people thought that was positive confirmation. “My smile says it all” is Irish speak for “I’m dealing with bullshit.”
At this point, just get the guy who played IT. Great frame, tall like Pattinson, good actor to boot and looks like the Joker. Keoghan was a disaster and universal meme.
>Gunn wants someone with the height and reach who can physically take on Batman
Sound moronic
It probably would be but monkey joker was cool
Giving the joker that much ability sorta cheapens him. I like it when he uses charisma and intellect to frick with batman rather than 1v1 him
This one’s cool though cause he has a unique fighting and movement style that isn’t just a mirror to Bruce’s. It’s also cool that theyre both evocative of jungle animals. Very underrated iteration that isnt tryhard for a change.
>dmt shit
This screams psychopath tattoo on forehead levels of cringe.
Have you done DMT?
Joker kneeling in front of one of those huge smiling faces in the zig zag room would be a poster on every college dorm room in America if done right. Could be unironically iconic. Serkis is already in the film just get him to lend his Snoke voice as the jester and we are feasting lads.
It would have been a good idea for Joaquin to go there but Reeves Batman is just capeshit and it'd be wasted.
>he targets families living comfortably or rich
Fricking based. Eat the rich israelites.
They already cast Keoghan, they won't change him.
Lol they cut his appearance and didn’t even credit him as Joker. Sure sounds like commitment to me!
He was in after credits scene in a way and also in the film laughing with Paul Dano.
And credited as “Unseen Prisoner” lollll
Reeves said it's because the character is not the Joker yet.
I can not speak to the veracity of these plot details but I do have a little insight on this issue. WB screened two different cuts of The Batman, one with Keoghan pretty central to the plot including a couple scenes outside of the released deleted scene and on completely without him.
A lot of shit went down, Keoghan drunk on set, breaking confidentiality, insulting Andy Serkis, and overall just kind of an off putting person who Rob really didn’t like and then the cut featuring him tested about as pore as I’ve ever seen.
He was cut but for his work hours and just as a professional courtesy he was still billed, he was included in the final Arkham scene but not credited as Joker and his deleted scene was released so he could put it on his resume and that it may help him in future projects.
The decision on him coming back or not really hinges on Reeves and Gunn and Zaslov, they can only tell you for sure, but I do know an extensive search has been underway in a recast effort.
And Keoghan has already hinted that he's going to be returning for the sequel
Watch the video and tell me that’s someone teasing anything other than they don’t know.
>Matt Reeves’ Joker
batman 2 is not happening
This. I've never met anyone irl who liked it or who have actually seen it.
I pirated it and took a break halfway through since it's legitimately not interesting at all then never really felt like going back to finish it. It has become the most embarrassing Batman flick I've ever seen
I've seen it 5 times and I never rewatch films as an adult.
Same. I saw it three times in theaters. A partrician choice to be sure.
Lol gay (and most likely samegay)
You sound like the kinda gay who's attempted to suck his own dick multiple times ke
Uh oh. moron alert.
Thanks for the insight, u/osksndjsmd!
I wish I could upvote you here!
FEMALE Joker is the BEST Joker!
Isn't Matt Reeves Batman movies not part of the DCEU? Why is Gunn meddling? Sound fake
Gunn is the head of DC Studios. Even if their universes are separate Gunn is still Reeves’ boss.
It probably is fake, but Gunn is in charge of the entire DC film franchise. So he's executive overseeing Joker as well as Batman 2 and any other dc films that aren't connected to his universe
I remember reading somewhere maybe Twitter or Plebbit that Batman visits a priest to talk about Joker. I thought it was bullshit.
But seeing this again, I'm now interested.
>actual positive portrayal of christianity in goyslop capeshit
As if.
It'll probably be course correction and get Bill Skarsgaard.,
It's unfortunate how wrong these guys get the Joker. If I could just get AI to work properly and make the comic I want I could publish my Joker origin story, "Batman: 1933", which is so good it would replace the Killing Joke.
Sounds trash. Setting established fictional characters in a past time is a crutch for the unimaginative who have nothing interesting to say
>inspired by esotericism and the Jesters you see when you take DMT
People see jesters while on DMT?
So are they going to let The Batman be its own continuity, or slopify it to fit the DC cinematic universe or whatever?
This is such preposterous bullshit it loops back round to being almost believable. good work.
>Joker in this universe is heavily inspired by esotericism and the Jesters you see when you take DMT
It's so gay and lame it has to be true.
If that weirdo twinkgay is actually the joker, I might not even end up watching the next batman
So Joker is coming out after Joker 2? Bravo Gunn!
>who can physically take on Batman.
The vast majority of Bruce's rogues can't take him in a 1v1 fight and they all know it which is why they rely on him burning his resources and diverting his attention and misdirecting him. Unfortunately for them Batman is a genius with a network of Robins who have to rely on tools and gadgets to be as devastating as Bruce is in hand to hand. A tall Joker is fine. But no fricking way does Joker get offensive unless Bruce is in a compromised position.
In Joker’s first appearance he beats Batman in hand to hand combat. Nearly kills him.
>Gunn
there's your first mistake. Gunn has no say in Reeves' Batman series. kindly kys.
Gunn is Reeves’ boss.
You gays can’t even nerd right.
>Joker in this universe is heavily inspired by esotericism and the Jesters you see when you take DMT
The NEPHILIM Looked Like CLOWNS
let it BURN
let it all BURN
the end of capeshit is HERE
>the Jesters you see when you take DMT
for every action, theres an opposite reaction
joker is the reaction to the birth of batman
youre welcome, homosexuals
p.s. kill the batman and you kill the joker
>height and reach who can physically take on Batman
moron.
>moron.
exactly
theres a reason why slade aka deathstroke exist
he is 1 for 1 batmans truest adversary
he IS batman minus the cape
He's actually Robin's #1 adversary LOL Slade has been stuck in the little league for 40 YEARS!
>Joker in this universe is heavily inspired by esotericism and the Jesters you see when you take DMT. Joker will be a user of a drug by the same manufacturers as Drops that is essentially DMT
Why do they have to make everything gay and lame? Heath Ledger was already supposed to be this "more edgy" take on the Joker but by the extent they try to one-up each other he is practically a classic goofy circus clown by comparison at this point.
This entire thread is hilarious. I hope no one fell for it
>Some random anon happened to get a script that maybe 5 people have seen
This sounds…. good. Don’t have any faith in the execution though the Batman was an underwhelming mess
Salvia jesters are a lot more Joker-esque than DMT jesters, but I guess the reason they are going with DMT is because it has a more ominous image in the public eye