Superman is Satan. He inevitably turns evil, and did in the DCAU timeline as well. >BUT THAT WAS BECAUSE
How doesn't matter. Superman is a threat to all of humanity. A time bomb.
This. He’s such a spineless treacherous pissbaby
There is no appreciable difference between Superman threatening Hamilton one time in a crisis moment because a loved one’s life was on the line and that of a 130 pound junkie with a switchblade doing the same. Either could have done him in and it’s hilariously pathetic that he went along with Cadmus’ transparently heinous shit because he spent all of those years seething
>There is no appreciable difference between Superman threatening Hamilton one time in a crisis moment because a loved one’s life was on the line and that of a 130 pound junkie with a switchblade doing the same.
How many 130lb junkies are running around with the power to conquer or destroy the world?
superman was brainwashed once and suddenly he hated him and was willing to join up with CADMUS to make galatea and doomsday
the show wanted you to sympathize with him but does a poor job of making you feel for him and he comes across as a turncoat who is willing to betray his own friends out of paranoia
>Sure the CIA has overturned democracies, assassinated world leaders, contributed to human and drug trafficking, and even targeted innocent citizens they didn’t like >But that doesn’t mean they aren’t good guys
But Hamilton was working with the CIA. The problem isn't he feared Superman who ultimately did nothing wrong since he had no agency, the problem was he let that fear make him do objectively bad shit just in case Superman might go evil.
>but if we don’t stage a coup in this country and install a tinpot dictator and sew untold generations of death and misery into the region… they might become communists!
We should have fricked off and left the rest of the world to fight their stupid ethnic wars and install their shitty economic systems. Interventionism has been a disaster for the US.
execution doesnt match the concept
superman had just learned he was on death row for things he did under the influence of mind control, that they planned to kill supergirl too by association, and then he apologized for it afterwards
and then hamilton immediately goes from supermans friend to someone who hates him
its one of the fastest turnarounds to the enemy side and leaves you not really having any goodwill for hamilton
reminds me of that bit from star wars 8 that everyone misunderstands
people are allowed to have brief emotional threatening moments, especially if they quickly conclude 'no, i couldn't do it' and apologize.
but in today's climate, any perceived threat makes the man involved instantly guilty
>Sure the CIA has overturned democracies, assassinated world leaders, contributed to human and drug trafficking, and even targeted innocent citizens they didn’t like >But that doesn’t mean they aren’t good guys
i hate people like you because on one hand i do want small government, but on the other hand you're using this to undermine the few good parts, AND give them more power by doing so.
They stopped gommunists from doing infinitely worse, so
superman was brainwashed once and suddenly he hated him and was willing to join up with CADMUS to make galatea and doomsday
the show wanted you to sympathize with him but does a poor job of making you feel for him and he comes across as a turncoat who is willing to betray his own friends out of paranoia
Man I'm glad I never got to watch JLU. The DCAU gets real fricking depressing because of it and Batman Beyond.
Exactly how difficult would it be to make a device that prevents/removes brainwashing from Superman versus literally every stupid ass "somehow we will fight him" contingency.
Christianity is kinda wild, man. It's this mixture of Iron Age-Semitic myths and history reinterpreted through various Indo-European cultural elements (as far as the Old Testament goes). And then, of course, there's the tale of the carpenter who spoke in parables, and whose message was so vague that you could create any meaning you want. The best example of this is Lucifer, who was probably at least three separate figures merged into an overarching antagonist. And, of course, his banishment against God was turned into this epic war in heaven (which is a common feature in Indo-European mythology
>did Hamilton do anything wrong?
Fricking-up his biblical refences. There's nobody in the bible named "Lucifer".
>Lucifer, who was probably at least three separate figures merged into an overarching antagonist
Lucifer is not a proper noun, but an adjective that means something like "radiant". And one of the figures that it was used to describe was Jesus.
Yes, you don't create another creature to fight off the possible indestructible alien.
You either create a gun that can neutralize him or you plant a bomb inside the Alien's skull.
I don't remember tbh, but both of them did an interview talking about it and Timm even brings it up.
Even if he didn't write it I'm sure he suggested it, he hated the character since STAS.
the BFG is pretty much the only questionable thing the justice league did, as opposed to what they are merely capable of, which is why the show milked that issue so much
everything CADMUS did was either way worse, planned before they revealed the space laser, or ridiculously disproprtionate
The existence of the binary fusion cannon is pretty weird now that I think about it. Wayne probably funded most of the station out of his own pocket, so why did he include the biggest gun in the world and have it pointing at the earth? Seems way out of character now that I think about it.
The Justice Lords were the ones who installed it. But it is a legitimate knock against the league for keeping it afterwards, since even Batman and J’onn pointed out how stupid it was in hindsight for neither of them to think to uninstall it the first chance they had.
Considering what happened to Superman in the Justice Lord universe and in Beyond, Hamilton is right. The world was just 1 morally broken Superman or mind controlled Superman from disaster.
The Justice Lords are pretty different from the majority of "evil Superman/Justice League" stories. They don't engage in insane murder sprees, and they're not out to make the world "perfect." They're just sick and tired of people almost blowing everything up and everyone acting like jerks, so they're aiming to set things straight. It's a morally complex situation because you can fully understand where Superman is coming from.
It's also one dead or absent superman away from disaster.
this is like transformers... 4? 3? I think 3. Where everybody rejects the autobots and drives them to leave.
It was the 4th one. In fact that movie and the 5th were so frustrating to watch even for Bay movies 's standards because of how hard they fricked the whole story.
I'm getting out of this piece of shit thread. An arc which I enjoyed to the fullest is about to ruined by a bunch of overthinking manchildren shitting themselves over a decade old show.
Does anyone else agree this post must be a meta-ironic post on how co is now literally that other site? I think they oversold it though it's a little too on the nose.
Needs some work.
I originally skipped STAS, so he didn't seem that bad when I watched JL/U. I mean he's a villain, but it didn't feel like a huge betrayal. Going back to watch STAS, I realize Superman and he go way back, which makes it worse.
yeah his voice changed.
he's a scientist. he should understand the concept of brainwashing, and that Superman was not responsible for what he did. To then get all fricking anti-gun-nut on him and suggest that just HAVING that power makes him a danger is even MORE insane, as he has witnessed firsthand a solid dozen incredibly dangerous beings emerge from Metropolis, due to random accidents involving toxic waste and lightning. He should be kissing Superman's ass and coaching him to be the best he can be because if he isn't, we're dead.
I can’t do this shit anymore. The internet if completely fricked up with too many shills and schizos trying to start discord and control public information. They’re all over twitter, Youtube, reddit, fricking Cinemaphile of all places.
I socialize quite well outside the internet you schizo, but not everyone in real life cares about DC capeshit. Too bad the only active discussion about it online is completely fricked.
Oh frick yes he did. The whole point of the Cadmus arc is that the measures the US government was taking to protect itself should the Justice League turn against humanity all sound good in a vacuum once you completely divorce them of any emotional context, but in all practical reasons are borne from total selfishness or a complete inability to take responsibility. And Hamilton's the worst of the lot because he's both. His quote sounds solid in a vacuum, since it alludes to both the Justice Lords and the instance that Superman was brainwashed by Darkseid and turned against humanity as a living weapon to prove that not even Superman is infallible. But Hamilton is refusing to admit that the real reason he feels 'betrayed' is because Superman once threatened him in the heat of the moment to save his cousin's life, nor does it at all acknowledge that he was pathetic and angry enough to essentially tried to create a replacement Superman/Supergirl with the creation of Galatea in revenge, both violating Supergirl's person via their mental connection and essentially using all the medical knowledge of kryptonian biology gathered as a weapon of petty vengeance over Hamilton's humiliation.
So, yeah. Hamilton did something wrong. He did EVERYTHING wrong. He didn't just betray Superman, the prick basically had a seething fit after his girlfriend dumped him then went and tried to make a replacement girlfriend/daughter using his ex's cousin's DNA. That's creepy as frick no matter how you slice it.
He lost the moral high ground the moment he created a 'human weapon'. If creating a person specifically to be used as a tool and a shield doesn't cross the line, don't know what does.
I mean, she's even called Galatea.
yeah he compared superman to satan
The question was, "Did he do anything wrong?"
Yeah he trusted the government over his long time friend
Well, his power girl got her ass whooped and he lost so he did do something wrong. If he did anything right he would have won.
Question never said that
no, he compared them to angels. He said superman COULD be a satan, or a pure angel, the point is they don't know and thus should be prepared.
Maybe because Superman is actually a fallen angel and the league are Nephilim.
Superman is Satan. He inevitably turns evil, and did in the DCAU timeline as well.
>BUT THAT WAS BECAUSE
How doesn't matter. Superman is a threat to all of humanity. A time bomb.
Calm down, Lex.
it's what he didnt do
Whatever lofty justifications he might've had are undercut by
>you said scawwy words to me that one time
This. He’s such a spineless treacherous pissbaby
There is no appreciable difference between Superman threatening Hamilton one time in a crisis moment because a loved one’s life was on the line and that of a 130 pound junkie with a switchblade doing the same. Either could have done him in and it’s hilariously pathetic that he went along with Cadmus’ transparently heinous shit because he spent all of those years seething
>There is no appreciable difference between Superman threatening Hamilton one time in a crisis moment because a loved one’s life was on the line and that of a 130 pound junkie with a switchblade doing the same.
How many 130lb junkies are running around with the power to conquer or destroy the world?
Did this happen before or after dark heart?
After, but he had already decided to work against Superman long before that
superman was brainwashed once and suddenly he hated him and was willing to join up with CADMUS to make galatea and doomsday
the show wanted you to sympathize with him but does a poor job of making you feel for him and he comes across as a turncoat who is willing to betray his own friends out of paranoia
>Sure the CIA has overturned democracies, assassinated world leaders, contributed to human and drug trafficking, and even targeted innocent citizens they didn’t like
>But that doesn’t mean they aren’t good guys
that's the just the consequence of being the biggest kid on the block.
But Hamilton was working with the CIA. The problem isn't he feared Superman who ultimately did nothing wrong since he had no agency, the problem was he let that fear make him do objectively bad shit just in case Superman might go evil.
They stopped gommunists from doing infinitely worse, so
>but if we don’t stage a coup in this country and install a tinpot dictator and sew untold generations of death and misery into the region… they might become communists!
We should have fricked off and left the rest of the world to fight their stupid ethnic wars and install their shitty economic systems. Interventionism has been a disaster for the US.
>Operation Northwoods
>JFK
It was after being brainwashed that he used his strength to intimidate someone he considered a friend.
execution doesnt match the concept
superman had just learned he was on death row for things he did under the influence of mind control, that they planned to kill supergirl too by association, and then he apologized for it afterwards
and then hamilton immediately goes from supermans friend to someone who hates him
its one of the fastest turnarounds to the enemy side and leaves you not really having any goodwill for hamilton
reminds me of that bit from star wars 8 that everyone misunderstands
people are allowed to have brief emotional threatening moments, especially if they quickly conclude 'no, i couldn't do it' and apologize.
but in today's climate, any perceived threat makes the man involved instantly guilty
i hate people like you because on one hand i do want small government, but on the other hand you're using this to undermine the few good parts, AND give them more power by doing so.
also this.
>The good parts of government
>I want small government
>Also the CIA are the good guys because Merica! Don't question the alphabet community!
How many shekels did mossad send you Abraham?
Man I'm glad I never got to watch JLU. The DCAU gets real fricking depressing because of it and Batman Beyond.
The show has some real crap writing.
Exactly how difficult would it be to make a device that prevents/removes brainwashing from Superman versus literally every stupid ass "somehow we will fight him" contingency.
That was the point, wasn't it?
Well cloning someone without their consent pretty damn unethical.
He let fear control him.
Christianity is kinda wild, man. It's this mixture of Iron Age-Semitic myths and history reinterpreted through various Indo-European cultural elements (as far as the Old Testament goes). And then, of course, there's the tale of the carpenter who spoke in parables, and whose message was so vague that you could create any meaning you want. The best example of this is Lucifer, who was probably at least three separate figures merged into an overarching antagonist. And, of course, his banishment against God was turned into this epic war in heaven (which is a common feature in Indo-European mythology
>did Hamilton do anything wrong?
Fricking-up his biblical refences. There's nobody in the bible named "Lucifer".
>Lucifer, who was probably at least three separate figures merged into an overarching antagonist
Lucifer is not a proper noun, but an adjective that means something like "radiant". And one of the figures that it was used to describe was Jesus.
try reading the good book sometime. I think you'll be shocked by how disinformed you are.
This is a raw ass line for a kid's show
*ALL AGES show.
I wish they had a moment to reconcile, like he tries to console Hamilton after Galatea dies or whatever happens to her.
He made a child soldier.
I absolutely HATE everything about Cadmus
both had good reasons but supes didn't tried to defend himself cuz the show want you to believe he was the wrong
Superman is never wrong.
>ok wise guy, what would YOU have done with Doomsday?
Why do you keep spamming this shit you fricking idiot?
throw him into space
Doomsday can't fly
I woulda fricked him up the ass til he got his shit together.
Doomsday have holes doesn't he? If there is a hole, there is a way. Just need someone with a durable physiology to do the deed.
>>ok wise guy, what would YOU have done with Doomsday?
Same but without telling anyone.
Does DCAU Doomsday have any defences against magic? Just get Zatanna or Dr. Fate to turn him into a frog lmao, it's that easy
Yes, you don't create another creature to fight off the possible indestructible alien.
You either create a gun that can neutralize him or you plant a bomb inside the Alien's skull.
I didn't read the thread, but it was just shitty writing. That's it.
Timm said he always hated Hamilton.
I thought Mcduffie primarily wrote the Cadmus arc
I don't remember tbh, but both of them did an interview talking about it and Timm even brings it up.
Even if he didn't write it I'm sure he suggested it, he hated the character since STAS.
I mean it IS pretty awkward that the space laser is pointing inward.
Hell they had to pull the plug on the Cadmus storyline and switch to Brainiac because they were making too much sense.
reminder
>reminder
Reminder of what?
>bad guys are le good actually!
actual bootlicker mentality
They were already making Ultimen and Galatea before they knew about the space gun, no?
the BFG is pretty much the only questionable thing the justice league did, as opposed to what they are merely capable of, which is why the show milked that issue so much
everything CADMUS did was either way worse, planned before they revealed the space laser, or ridiculously disproprtionate
The existence of the binary fusion cannon is pretty weird now that I think about it. Wayne probably funded most of the station out of his own pocket, so why did he include the biggest gun in the world and have it pointing at the earth? Seems way out of character now that I think about it.
The Justice Lords were the ones who installed it. But it is a legitimate knock against the league for keeping it afterwards, since even Batman and J’onn pointed out how stupid it was in hindsight for neither of them to think to uninstall it the first chance they had.
Considering what happened to Superman in the Justice Lord universe and in Beyond, Hamilton is right. The world was just 1 morally broken Superman or mind controlled Superman from disaster.
Yeah good thing Superman pushed him that one time. Quality writing.
The Justice Lords are pretty different from the majority of "evil Superman/Justice League" stories. They don't engage in insane murder sprees, and they're not out to make the world "perfect." They're just sick and tired of people almost blowing everything up and everyone acting like jerks, so they're aiming to set things straight. It's a morally complex situation because you can fully understand where Superman is coming from.
It's also one dead or absent superman away from disaster.
this is like transformers... 4? 3? I think 3. Where everybody rejects the autobots and drives them to leave.
It was the 4th one. In fact that movie and the 5th were so frustrating to watch even for Bay movies 's standards because of how hard they fricked the whole story.
b***h made
I'm getting out of this piece of shit thread. An arc which I enjoyed to the fullest is about to ruined by a bunch of overthinking manchildren shitting themselves over a decade old show.
no one's hating it, just viewing the motives of one character and wondering if he was in the right or wrong.
Does anyone else agree this post must be a meta-ironic post on how co is now literally that other site? I think they oversold it though it's a little too on the nose.
Needs some work.
I originally skipped STAS, so he didn't seem that bad when I watched JL/U. I mean he's a villain, but it didn't feel like a huge betrayal. Going back to watch STAS, I realize Superman and he go way back, which makes it worse.
"Angels are bright still, tho the brightest Fell"
yeah his voice changed.
he's a scientist. he should understand the concept of brainwashing, and that Superman was not responsible for what he did. To then get all fricking anti-gun-nut on him and suggest that just HAVING that power makes him a danger is even MORE insane, as he has witnessed firsthand a solid dozen incredibly dangerous beings emerge from Metropolis, due to random accidents involving toxic waste and lightning. He should be kissing Superman's ass and coaching him to be the best he can be because if he isn't, we're dead.
I can’t do this shit anymore. The internet if completely fricked up with too many shills and schizos trying to start discord and control public information. They’re all over twitter, Youtube, reddit, fricking Cinemaphile of all places.
Maybe you should try socializing outside for once in your pathetic life. lmao just kidding, I know that ship sailed a long time ago
I socialize quite well outside the internet you schizo, but not everyone in real life cares about DC capeshit. Too bad the only active discussion about it online is completely fricked.
>No one in real life cares about DC capeshit
Fixed that for you
So when DCAU makes on-the-nose references to Christianity, it's cool, but when Snyder does it, he's a hack?
Samegayging Snyderbot shill detected. I should expose your ass and link your reddit account here.
When DCAU did it, they did it in an entertaining way. When Snyder did it, he did not make it entertaining.
People from Peru need to be banned from this site.
Oh frick yes he did. The whole point of the Cadmus arc is that the measures the US government was taking to protect itself should the Justice League turn against humanity all sound good in a vacuum once you completely divorce them of any emotional context, but in all practical reasons are borne from total selfishness or a complete inability to take responsibility. And Hamilton's the worst of the lot because he's both. His quote sounds solid in a vacuum, since it alludes to both the Justice Lords and the instance that Superman was brainwashed by Darkseid and turned against humanity as a living weapon to prove that not even Superman is infallible. But Hamilton is refusing to admit that the real reason he feels 'betrayed' is because Superman once threatened him in the heat of the moment to save his cousin's life, nor does it at all acknowledge that he was pathetic and angry enough to essentially tried to create a replacement Superman/Supergirl with the creation of Galatea in revenge, both violating Supergirl's person via their mental connection and essentially using all the medical knowledge of kryptonian biology gathered as a weapon of petty vengeance over Hamilton's humiliation.
So, yeah. Hamilton did something wrong. He did EVERYTHING wrong. He didn't just betray Superman, the prick basically had a seething fit after his girlfriend dumped him then went and tried to make a replacement girlfriend/daughter using his ex's cousin's DNA. That's creepy as frick no matter how you slice it.
I'd trust supernatural beings over our goverments any day
Nerds are spiteful bastards with female-oriented brains. Look at this place.
Didn't superman enslave earth under thanos' mind control?
The only good thing about the show was the fapbait and Lex
He had that musical made after him.
He lost the moral high ground the moment he created a 'human weapon'. If creating a person specifically to be used as a tool and a shield doesn't cross the line, don't know what does.
I mean, she's even called Galatea.
>The CIA is good actually
Uhhhh no it ain't tranmilton