i mean obviously he did lots wrong, made stupid mistakes and was emotionally moronic with a goal ended thousands of lives across the years but was the thing he did wrong actually wrong and was it really a betrayal?
well ethically and circumstantially it is a betrayal but what i'm having a hard time grasping is the idea that wasn't this always who he was, he was always sacrificing his men, why is it more noble to send men into war to die or send men in armor to kill and pillage peasants resulting in the death of thousands over years than having demons rip apart whats left of that army, if there goal was ultimately to see his goal fulfilled wouldn't it all go to waste if he just gave up and accepted his life as a cripple? again not saying he isn't evil
One thing that complicates this is that the afterlife of those who die in battle is uncertain unlike the guaranteed turbo-hell Griffith sent his loyal Hawks into. There is a difference between giving up your mortal years for a man and giving up your immortal soul
Dying in battle is a mich better death than being raped in every hole by degenerate apostle freaks. Fighting for Griffith brought men fortunes and renown and a purpose, being a human sacrifice killed by sexual assault does not. They may have chose to follow Griffith and die for him, but conditionally. Griffith just dropped all pretenses and used them as human sacrifices.
>wasn't this always who he was
yeah it was, that's the whole point, he was always a weird little charismatic weasel with an ego problem. any "good" he ever did was for ulterior motives so it was never truly good.
>any "good" he ever did was for ulterior motives so it was never truly good.
i like to think he did have some good, he cared for his men and loved guts, otherwise it wouldn't have been much of a sacrifice, maybe it was just gut's influence that brought out some good
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every single "good" thing he did was for the purpose of committing evil. it's like if somebody saved your life for the explicit reason of trafficking you into sex slavery
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i don't by it, it's too simple when you look at it like that, what makes griffith really evil is that he did care and he did have good in him
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griffith still trying to save guts in his condition after essentially selling him out always stuck with me when i was younger, i don't think ill ever get him
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makes sense to me he'd be taken aback by seeing a desperate wish made in his lowest moment actually coming to fruition before his eyes
He literally asks guts if he is a bad person after holding a dudes daughter hostage and burning all the nobles in a tower along with the queen. Griffith is evil.
Ubik explains it's not a vision or an illusion but it's his sub conscious made reality. Ultimately, Griffiths failure was caring for guts. Caring for a soldier who should have just been a tool for him to acquire his castle. He realizes it right before the eclipse. Griffiths humanity is what caused his downfall, so he cast it away.
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This, I don’t sympathize with Griffith but I do empathize with his empathy being his downfall
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Being abandoned by the person you care for the most in your worse state can make anyone irrationally spiteful
but was it really selling out? there goal was his and that goal was dead the moment he became a crippled tongueless and dickless husk, thousands of lives died for nothing if he didn't take the deal
The details surrounding it, it was absolutely selling out. He branded his subjects to be forever damned. His army may have had no problem dying for him, but damnation is a whole different animal.
He became that dickless husk because he was the one who made poor judgement and slept with the princess.
Yes. There's a very big difference between being willing to RISK your life in battle in service of a cause, and being willing to just be sacrificed like cattle for it.
>there goal was his
No. Sure, they all were supporting Griffith's dream, but they all also had dreams of their own that were part of why they were doing it. Did you even watch the show?
yeah i did, did you? they may have there own dreams but their main goal in life was clearly seeing his goals achieved otherwise why put their literal lives on the line for it every day for years
>they may have there own dreams but their main goal in life was clearly seeing his goals achieved
No. They believe in Griffith and the Band of the Hawk as path primarily to their own dreams. His dream is the roaring fire that sustains their more miniscule flames. That's the whole point of the Bonfire of Dreams scene. Try not speedwatching next time.
>but was it really selling out?
Yes, those men stuck with him through thick and thin and his response was to damn them to a gruesome death followed by a long period of suffering in the afterlife before identity death. >thousands of lives died for nothing if he didn't take the deal
Those lives weren't damned and taking the deal ruined many, many more.
His men were willing to fall in battle for him but not be sacrifices for demons. If Femto didn't have an ulterior motive, the world is arguably a better place than ever right now but obviously Griffith would not be content with just Falconia.
>the world is arguably a better place than ever right now >Fantasia >God Hand are able to incarnate >only safe space is locked up in a fortress (prison) city kissing Griffith's ass while surrounded by man eating demons.
No.
kek, i know. it’s just funny to trivialize things like that. like when some anons make threads about Thomasin from The VVitch saying how she “sold her soul for butter”. it’s obviously more complicated than that.
As stated multiple times in the thread already, they may have been willing to lay down their lives. But Griffith damned their everlasting souls. Those are two completely different things.
but was it really selling out? there goal was his and that goal was dead the moment he became a crippled tongueless and dickless husk, thousands of lives died for nothing if he didn't take the deal
griffith made a perfectly rational, utilitarian choice. if that's evil then you simply have other goals than his
The details surrounding it, it was absolutely selling out. He branded his subjects to be forever damned. His army may have had no problem dying for him, but damnation is a whole different animal.
He became that dickless husk because he was the one who made poor judgement and slept with the princess.
>branded them to be forever damned
no, they were just killed. the brand just pings your location for demons to see
>entire, loyal army
Eh, they weren't loyal to Griffith when they realized he was crippled for life and their meal ticket was over. In fact some of them hopped straight to Guts as their new leader.
His men were willing to fall in battle for him but not be sacrifices for demons. If Femto didn't have an ulterior motive, the world is arguably a better place than ever right now but obviously Griffith would not be content with just Falconia.
griffith literally did nothing wrong, he was a man chasing a dream and he did anything to get it and by Allah he did. Nobody should get in the way of something like that
yeah but you went through a year of torture, your life and dream ruined, and all you can think about his how that lill homie abandoned you when you needed him the most, also your dick and tongue are nor more
>yes but anyone would have taken the deal
The deal damns Griffith too, eventually he'll suffer the same fate they did, the noble and smart choice was to reject it and die in then while preserving your soul, and if he hadn't taken the deal it's possible the vortex would have dissipated and Skull Knight could have slaughtered more Apostles and saved some of the Hawks.
lmfao. I can say with 100% sincerity that I wouldn't have. My life isn't worth so much to me, and I'm rebellious to a fault, so if a bunch of butthole "gods" showed up and tried to coerce me into betraying people, I'd tell them to get fricked. You can say this is larp, but you'd be wrong.
no, what makes him compelling is that everyone would be tempted but no not everyone would take it. Griffith wasn't destined to betray his friends like he copes, He was only destined to be presented the choice. And he now lives a deeply unsatisfied existence
that's cause to him he was getting immediate payback on guts, everything we've seen of him after the golden age arc is a man who probably wishes he killed himself back then instead, he has everything he's ever wanted and it's nothing to him
>yeah bro literally everyone would kill all their family and rape their pregnant best friend's wife in front of him as revenge for not wanting to be their gay lover, fricking breeders...
He did wrong because he was too moronic to realise he wanted Guts’ ass more than he wanted to be a king.
Instead of embracing his homosexualry he initiated the biggest cope of all time by killing his friends and raping his bro’s waifu so he could make his bro feel as bad as he does.
Having borne witness to "Cast Griffith" threads and discussions for literally two decades now, this actually might be the best suggestion I've ever seen. Works for a lot of reasons.
Shut the frick up you fricking Black folk. This man face troony eunuch homosexual is not good casting for Griffith. Stop posting it in every thread you fricking Black person
I just discovered this model Marco Varcoe. Going off the looks alone he would be the perfect cast. Has the face like Hunter but unlike Hunter he has the body as well. Since he is a boy.
Berserk has ended, and Griffith has lost. You can see it reflected everywhere during the last few arcs. Griffith, underneath his godhood, is very clearly unsatisfied. Guts has accepted the fact that nothing will ever be the same, but that doesn't mean he is destined to a life of sadness and pain. Griffith did everything wrong and if you think otherwise you missed the entire point of the series
>lives in a bubble of complete delusion >has an encyclopedic knowledge of random bullshit >fixates on and obsesses over his interests >savant like strategic mind
He really was autistic, wasn't he?
Except he wasn't autistic. The main quality that allowed him to succeed was his charisma. If he had no men to follow him he never would have even gotten the chance to show off his strategic mind. A true autist would shun all social norms but griffith plays in to them to get what he wants
Gut's rage cursed the sword, some concession will probably be made for Guts where he easily dispatches Griffith just like he did when he left the Band of the Hawk because Griffith is the source of the rage, it is natural that entropy lure them together, and by challenging fate Guts has willed Griffith to death.
or something like that, sounds Eastern, probably gonna happen, Beast of Darkness jumps out of the sword or something.
To some degree. If he wasn’t such an autist about achieving his goal, he would have been begging for Guts’ dick. And I think Guts actually would have been down with it.
>are you a homo?
Donovan probably killed any drive Guts ever had to be homosexual.
Yeah, but in a cool way. Warrior homoeroticism is based as frick.
[...]
I really hope it doesn't end with some climactic final shounen-tier battle. Berserk is better than that.
my thoughts exactly, definitely wanna see some crazy jrpg battles but the final confrontation of Guts v Griffith should be handled very carefully and with respect
Yeah, but in a cool way. Warrior homoeroticism is based as frick.
Gut's rage cursed the sword, some concession will probably be made for Guts where he easily dispatches Griffith just like he did when he left the Band of the Hawk because Griffith is the source of the rage, it is natural that entropy lure them together, and by challenging fate Guts has willed Griffith to death.
or something like that, sounds Eastern, probably gonna happen, Beast of Darkness jumps out of the sword or something.
I really hope it doesn't end with some climactic final shounen-tier battle. Berserk is better than that.
To some degree. If he wasn’t such an autist about achieving his goal, he would have been begging for Guts’ dick. And I think Guts actually would have been down with it.
Yeah, but in a cool way. Warrior homoeroticism is based as frick.
[...]
I really hope it doesn't end with some climactic final shounen-tier battle. Berserk is better than that.
yes but not in an intimate way, or maybe he was but it was mostly a love for a real friend
griffith is not gay you fricking Black folk. the only thing griffith lusts after is power. that’s why he gets analled by ugly bastard, and also why he fricks the shit out of the princess after guts leaves him. later after being rescued he forces himself on casca who just pushes him aside. then he rapes casca as femto to get an edge on guts.
Griffith is straight, Berserk started in the fricking 90s. There were no gay characters back then. fricking moronic americans
nah, Miura even made a point of this by showing that the King would never have let Griffith have his daughter and become a royal. one way or another, Griffith's dream would become impossible and he would be forced into a position where he could sacrifice what he loved to achieve it or die.
manga bros, im at the arc just past the horse rape with lady farnese and Mozgus. how are the later arcs? I feel like nothing is going to compare to the build up to the eclipse and its difficult to read for long periods
It really just gets better all the way. Falconia is kino.
Guts' storyline gets progressively slower and more boring while Griffith's has a bunch of shit going on.
thanks anons
>I feel like nothing is going to compare to the build up to the eclipse
This is true. If you were bored by the Lost Children and Conviction, you probably won't care for anything else that comes later either (and you have shit taste).
i wouldnt call it boredom necessarily. I was lucky enough to never have anything spoiled and went into reading this completely blind. the eclipse was a complete shock to me and ended up being the best manga experience Ive had
>I feel like nothing is going to compare to the build up to the eclipse
This is true. If you were bored by the Lost Children and Conviction, you probably won't care for anything else that comes later either (and you have shit taste).
Dropped it half way through Millenium Empire arc because it had been dragging on way too long fricking around on stupid boats and shit. Golden Age/Black Swordsman are the best ones Conviction is alright.
>I feel like nothing is going to compare to the build up to the eclipse
This is true. If you were bored by the Lost Children and Conviction, you probably won't care for anything else that comes later either (and you have shit taste).
Actually, Guts hesitated to kill her on at least two separate occasions when he had the opportunity to do so, and it's implied that it's because of his pity for her. He's a big softy, really.
she stopped liking him a while ago. regardless, intentionally having violent demon sex with another guys gf in order to traumatize them both, not to mention that (not sure if you know this) rape is bad
Griffith raping casca also serves to poison the fetus inside of her which ultimately leads to Griffith bring reborn in the material plane during the conviction arc
Filtered.
He knew that he needed the rape baby so he could reincarnate on the physical world, so he obligued the casuality meme.
Rubbing in it on guts face was just an added bonus
Because it wouldn't make any sense for him to still have it after being at the mercy of such a sadistic torturer for so long, not to mention the fact that his dick was what got him into that mess to begin with. I'd estimate that the penis came off in the first few days.
I reckon he's gonna realize that he's a pawn of void like the other godhands and will one day be replaced and will find some way to help redeem the nightmare he has created upon the world, who the frick knows how this is gonna end, i just hope they can somehow end this grim story on a happy note.
No, griffith was a psycho narcisist. Just look at shit like the torture chambers he instated. If anything, the "best" outcome for the berserk universe would be for Ganeshka to win the war and make the apostles and the god hand go frick themselves.
>Just look at shit like the torture chambers he instated
what? if you're referring to the church they already were doing that shit way before Griffith.
I really wish he'd rewritten the first few chapters. Guts and Griffith's personality just doesn't match up. Griffith taunting guts and being your regular bad guy and Guts fricking a demon in the first panel is just out of character.
>Guts fricking a demon in the first panel is just out of character
No it's not. In fact it's retroactive genius because it shows that Guts is losing his humanity and willing to literally sleep with the enemy to get his revenge.
The earliest chapters are a little bit weird, but I actually like it that way. It adds character to the story. If the whole thing was just totally consistent, it wouldn't feel organic to me.
The movies fricking stink because it's too condensed and they have these god awful transitions where the characters go from being 2D characters into ugly 3D models with clunky as shit animation that does nothing to improve the experience of watching it. Pick a style and stick with it instead of going the cheap route of poorly combining the two. Plus a long story like Berserk cannot work under the restrictions of a feature length film or even multiple films.
Not him but I'd argue it's pretty much as soon as fantasia begins. That's way, way past Lost Children. People forget how good the fight with Ganishka was.
if miura had to die and leave berserk unfinished, the ending we have now is pretty kino.
the calm before the storm that will bring everything to an end.
Honestly I'm kind of happy with what we have now and wish it was just over. I have a lot of worries over its continuation and honestly I feel Miura gave us more than enough and out of respect for him it should just be done. The new chapters and ending will never feel right and it will always have the scapegoat of 'it wasn't miura...' during all future discussions of the manga which puts a bit of a damper on it.
I don't want to insult Miura's friend and his proteges but still...
If you follow the story you will realize he in fact did nothing wrong. His soldiers will have died in war anyway.The countless soldiers who already died before are not different from the present ones. Plus Griffith is the manifestation of the desire of the people to want a saviour.
slept with the princess for silly reasons
how was he able to get it up
she was like 14.
exactly my point
not to mention hes gay
so how was he able to get it up
The princess fingered his butthole
he got it up because she was 14. Like any normal man could. I'm pretty sure he was bi and not completely gay.
>all men are pedophiles
Sounds believable tbh
>14
>pedo
He was thinking of Guts when he fricked her
He was thinking about guts
Men are attracted to women is how
These threads would be more interesting if the OPs of the threads were ever willing to admit that the character had in fact done wrong.
i mean obviously he did lots wrong, made stupid mistakes and was emotionally moronic with a goal ended thousands of lives across the years but was the thing he did wrong actually wrong and was it really a betrayal?
>was it really a betrayal?
how can you say that it wasn’t?
well ethically and circumstantially it is a betrayal but what i'm having a hard time grasping is the idea that wasn't this always who he was, he was always sacrificing his men, why is it more noble to send men into war to die or send men in armor to kill and pillage peasants resulting in the death of thousands over years than having demons rip apart whats left of that army, if there goal was ultimately to see his goal fulfilled wouldn't it all go to waste if he just gave up and accepted his life as a cripple? again not saying he isn't evil
>well ethically and circumstantially it is a betrayal but
>wasn't this always who he was
yes, it is a betrayal but from his perspective it wasn't
One thing that complicates this is that the afterlife of those who die in battle is uncertain unlike the guaranteed turbo-hell Griffith sent his loyal Hawks into. There is a difference between giving up your mortal years for a man and giving up your immortal soul
Dying in battle is a mich better death than being raped in every hole by degenerate apostle freaks. Fighting for Griffith brought men fortunes and renown and a purpose, being a human sacrifice killed by sexual assault does not. They may have chose to follow Griffith and die for him, but conditionally. Griffith just dropped all pretenses and used them as human sacrifices.
>wasn't this always who he was
yeah it was, that's the whole point, he was always a weird little charismatic weasel with an ego problem. any "good" he ever did was for ulterior motives so it was never truly good.
>any "good" he ever did was for ulterior motives so it was never truly good.
i like to think he did have some good, he cared for his men and loved guts, otherwise it wouldn't have been much of a sacrifice, maybe it was just gut's influence that brought out some good
every single "good" thing he did was for the purpose of committing evil. it's like if somebody saved your life for the explicit reason of trafficking you into sex slavery
i don't by it, it's too simple when you look at it like that, what makes griffith really evil is that he did care and he did have good in him
griffith still trying to save guts in his condition after essentially selling him out always stuck with me when i was younger, i don't think ill ever get him
makes sense to me he'd be taken aback by seeing a desperate wish made in his lowest moment actually coming to fruition before his eyes
they were friends
He literally asks guts if he is a bad person after holding a dudes daughter hostage and burning all the nobles in a tower along with the queen. Griffith is evil.
Griffith had done nothing but pile up corpses his whole life on the road to his ambition. What's a few more?
Okay Ubik.
Ubik explains it's not a vision or an illusion but it's his sub conscious made reality. Ultimately, Griffiths failure was caring for guts. Caring for a soldier who should have just been a tool for him to acquire his castle. He realizes it right before the eclipse. Griffiths humanity is what caused his downfall, so he cast it away.
This, I don’t sympathize with Griffith but I do empathize with his empathy being his downfall
Being abandoned by the person you care for the most in your worse state can make anyone irrationally spiteful
IM WAITING SO LONG
Yes, obviously. His decision making was rationale, sure, but that doesn't mean the decision wasn't ethically wrong.
he sold out his entire, loyal army including casca and his gay lover guts into damnation to acquire wings.
but was it really selling out? there goal was his and that goal was dead the moment he became a crippled tongueless and dickless husk, thousands of lives died for nothing if he didn't take the deal
The details surrounding it, it was absolutely selling out. He branded his subjects to be forever damned. His army may have had no problem dying for him, but damnation is a whole different animal.
He became that dickless husk because he was the one who made poor judgement and slept with the princess.
B-but muh laws of causality...
>but was it really selling out?
Yes. There's a very big difference between being willing to RISK your life in battle in service of a cause, and being willing to just be sacrificed like cattle for it.
>there goal was his
No. Sure, they all were supporting Griffith's dream, but they all also had dreams of their own that were part of why they were doing it. Did you even watch the show?
yeah i did, did you? they may have there own dreams but their main goal in life was clearly seeing his goals achieved otherwise why put their literal lives on the line for it every day for years
>they may have there own dreams but their main goal in life was clearly seeing his goals achieved
No. They believe in Griffith and the Band of the Hawk as path primarily to their own dreams. His dream is the roaring fire that sustains their more miniscule flames. That's the whole point of the Bonfire of Dreams scene. Try not speedwatching next time.
>but was it really selling out?
Yes, those men stuck with him through thick and thin and his response was to damn them to a gruesome death followed by a long period of suffering in the afterlife before identity death.
>thousands of lives died for nothing if he didn't take the deal
Those lives weren't damned and taking the deal ruined many, many more.
>the world is arguably a better place than ever right now
>Fantasia
>God Hand are able to incarnate
>only safe space is locked up in a fortress (prison) city kissing Griffith's ass while surrounded by man eating demons.
No.
>Falconia isn't even safe because it's crawling with demons and kushans
could it be that griffith.... is actually bad???
>to acquire wings.
I'm pretty sure it was a little more complicated than that.
kek, i know. it’s just funny to trivialize things like that. like when some anons make threads about Thomasin from The VVitch saying how she “sold her soul for butter”. it’s obviously more complicated than that.
no it's pretty much for wings and butter homie
they were already willing to lay down their lifes for him, they were an army
As stated multiple times in the thread already, they may have been willing to lay down their lives. But Griffith damned their everlasting souls. Those are two completely different things.
griffith made a perfectly rational, utilitarian choice. if that's evil then you simply have other goals than his
>branded them to be forever damned
no, they were just killed. the brand just pings your location for demons to see
How is raping your friends gf in front of him while he's pinned down getting his eye gouged out utilitarian?
how is the continuation of the species not utilitarian
>entire, loyal army
Eh, they weren't loyal to Griffith when they realized he was crippled for life and their meal ticket was over. In fact some of them hopped straight to Guts as their new leader.
this, there was no way griffith wasn't going to sacrifice them one way or another, might as well rip the bandaid off full force
His men were willing to fall in battle for him but not be sacrifices for demons. If Femto didn't have an ulterior motive, the world is arguably a better place than ever right now but obviously Griffith would not be content with just Falconia.
The ongoing monster apocalypse eith one safe haven is a better world than before?
griffith literally did nothing wrong, he was a man chasing a dream and he did anything to get it and by Allah he did. Nobody should get in the way of something like that
I hate the "the bad guy is just complicated and misunderstood" trope so much it's unreal
not even the case here, it's just autistic griffith apologists "having fun"
yes but anyone would have taken the deal, including all the homosexuals in this thread
nah. i couldn’t do that to someone like guts. i love that lil homie.
yeah but you went through a year of torture, your life and dream ruined, and all you can think about his how that lill homie abandoned you when you needed him the most, also your dick and tongue are nor more
Guts didn't tell him to go frick the princess. If Griffith considered him a friend instead of property, he wouldn't have gone full moron like he did.
anons you misunderstand me, im not saying any of this is guts's fault, im saying put in his shoes after a year you'd probably irrationally blame him
Seeing things from Griffith's twisted viewpoint I get what you mean, but I still can't symphatize with him
everything you mentioned was griffith’s fault. not guts’.
I genuinely would not have.
>yes but anyone would have taken the deal
The deal damns Griffith too, eventually he'll suffer the same fate they did, the noble and smart choice was to reject it and die in then while preserving your soul, and if he hadn't taken the deal it's possible the vortex would have dissipated and Skull Knight could have slaughtered more Apostles and saved some of the Hawks.
lmfao. I can say with 100% sincerity that I wouldn't have. My life isn't worth so much to me, and I'm rebellious to a fault, so if a bunch of butthole "gods" showed up and tried to coerce me into betraying people, I'd tell them to get fricked. You can say this is larp, but you'd be wrong.
and thats why no one would ever follow you
that's commendable, but if you've never held any interest in a leadership position you just can't relate
yes, he was weak
no, what makes him compelling is that everyone would be tempted but no not everyone would take it. Griffith wasn't destined to betray his friends like he copes, He was only destined to be presented the choice. And he now lives a deeply unsatisfied existence
>deeply unsatisfied
I would argue he was very satisfied.
that's cause to him he was getting immediate payback on guts, everything we've seen of him after the golden age arc is a man who probably wishes he killed himself back then instead, he has everything he's ever wanted and it's nothing to him
>after the golden age arc
>he reads the comic and watches the new cartoon
just the comic
defend this
i can't i only occasionally check in to see if either guts or griffith is dead
Shriek is cute and based, only a moron thinks otherwise
the girl is fine. the boy, on the other hand
he didn't have a choice, there is no world where gritffith wouldn't have taken the choice, thats how fate works in berserk
The whole point of Guts' character is giving the middle finger to "fate"
guts will lose
you can only jump so high out of the river
LOL. good luck with battling fate
I openly admit I'd take that deal but I relate more to the soldiers than Griffith so he's bad for taking it
i wouldve succeeded in killing myself with the tree branch
>yeah bro literally everyone would kill all their family and rape their pregnant best friend's wife in front of him as revenge for not wanting to be their gay lover, fricking breeders...
enjoy your life as a mute pathetic eunuch or your suicide, whichever you choose
Cast her
Daisy Riddley
He did wrong because he was too moronic to realise he wanted Guts’ ass more than he wanted to be a king.
Instead of embracing his homosexualry he initiated the biggest cope of all time by killing his friends and raping his bro’s waifu so he could make his bro feel as bad as he does.
>griffith becomes a god to prove he isn’t a gay
choosing to be a homo
unrionically my pick
Too masculine and handsome. He needs to be a pretty boy twink like a young Leo Dicaprio or River Phoenix
i don't think he's completely void of masculinity
Yeah but charcaters call him pretty and beautiful, not handsome and rugged.
speaking of a young clint eastwood would be perfect for guts
this, we already lost our perfect griffith
someone make the hair and brows whiter
nah, and timothy is great playing emotionally challenged gay autist
this is better
chalamet is devoid of charisma, griffith’s strongest personality trait
he has no presence
well you arent going to find a man that fits every aspect perfectly, if he's a charismatic actor chances are he's too masculine
i could actually see this working
pic related is unironically the ideal casting for Griffith.
that's a man
exactly.
unironically perfect
This, but only if I get to play Casca for the eclipse scene.
you brown?
No but he down
Having borne witness to "Cast Griffith" threads and discussions for literally two decades now, this actually might be the best suggestion I've ever seen. Works for a lot of reasons.
hunter is actually fairly talented and isn't a charisma black hole, can see guys wanting to frick him and in a femto look
Got the face, but Griffith is a man and a pretty ripped one at that. Wouldn't work.
so is hunter
Hunter literally has breasts.
prove it
This troony would never agree to play an actual man who leads others. These frickers lean too far into faking being feminine.
I unironically don't think Hunter is feminine enough to play Griffith
Shut the frick up you fricking Black folk. This man face troony eunuch homosexual is not good casting for Griffith. Stop posting it in every thread you fricking Black person
I just discovered this model Marco Varcoe. Going off the looks alone he would be the perfect cast. Has the face like Hunter but unlike Hunter he has the body as well. Since he is a boy.
Same anon. I forgot to attach the photo.
no lips
His lips are normal. No need for Jay z sized lips.
i'd frick him
The resemblance is mad
here's your griffith bro
You're like 20 posts behind.
cast him
Terry Crews.
kek
Michael Clarke Duncan
Idris Elba
>griffith
ezra miller
>guts
Colton Haynes
>Casca
Moner
Berserk has ended, and Griffith has lost. You can see it reflected everywhere during the last few arcs. Griffith, underneath his godhood, is very clearly unsatisfied. Guts has accepted the fact that nothing will ever be the same, but that doesn't mean he is destined to a life of sadness and pain. Griffith did everything wrong and if you think otherwise you missed the entire point of the series
I can’t even hate fap to Griffith bros. What a vile monster.
No
the eclipse scene still fricks me up
>lives in a bubble of complete delusion
>has an encyclopedic knowledge of random bullshit
>fixates on and obsesses over his interests
>savant like strategic mind
He really was autistic, wasn't he?
Forgot to add
>childlike comprehension of emotion
>sperges out when he doesn't get what he wants
literally me
in a bubble of complete delusion
>>has an encyclopedic knowledge of random bullshit
on and obsesses over his interests
like strategic mind
literally me
All Great Men are.
Except he wasn't autistic. The main quality that allowed him to succeed was his charisma. If he had no men to follow him he never would have even gotten the chance to show off his strategic mind. A true autist would shun all social norms but griffith plays in to them to get what he wants
That's called a psychopath
>likes getting fricked in the ass by old men
yep sure sounds like (you)
no
im not kidding
He reshaped the entire world to revolve around his massive ego.
yeah and what did you do last tuesday?
Not sell out humanity to be eternal feudal slaves to a demon horde just because I wanted to live out my own fanfic.
It was destiny. Or if it wasn't he could have killed himself.
How did he know?
isn't he omnipotent?
I guess. If the Behelit Sword does literally nothing against him the would the Dragon Slayer even stood a chance?
dragon slayer is an anomaly
Gut's rage cursed the sword, some concession will probably be made for Guts where he easily dispatches Griffith just like he did when he left the Band of the Hawk because Griffith is the source of the rage, it is natural that entropy lure them together, and by challenging fate Guts has willed Griffith to death.
or something like that, sounds Eastern, probably gonna happen, Beast of Darkness jumps out of the sword or something.
>Beast of Darkness jumps out of the sword or something
If it comes out of the armor to frick Griffith right in the bussy it would be monumental kino of the highest order.
>probably be made
>probably gonna happen
anon..
>He doesn't know
>Skull Knight single-handedly dooms the entire planet
What's the next part of your brilliant plan, jackass?
>. If the Behelit Sword does literally nothing against him
You kind of missed the point.
Skull Knight wasn't intending to split open a new dimension.
it doesnt do nothing, if it hit him he would be dead af
No. It is explicitly stated that the Godhand aren't omnipotent.
He was gay for Guts right?
To some degree. If he wasn’t such an autist about achieving his goal, he would have been begging for Guts’ dick. And I think Guts actually would have been down with it.
>are you a homo?
Donovan probably killed any drive Guts ever had to be homosexual.
my thoughts exactly, definitely wanna see some crazy jrpg battles but the final confrontation of Guts v Griffith should be handled very carefully and with respect
Yeah, but in a cool way. Warrior homoeroticism is based as frick.
I really hope it doesn't end with some climactic final shounen-tier battle. Berserk is better than that.
yes but not in an intimate way, or maybe he was but it was mostly a love for a real friend
Yes. I doubt he was thinking to himself "I want to get railed by Guts," but he was definitely 200% gay for Guts.
griffith is not gay you fricking Black folk. the only thing griffith lusts after is power. that’s why he gets analled by ugly bastard, and also why he fricks the shit out of the princess after guts leaves him. later after being rescued he forces himself on casca who just pushes him aside. then he rapes casca as femto to get an edge on guts.
Griffith is straight, Berserk started in the fricking 90s. There were no gay characters back then. fricking moronic americans
>griffith is not gay you fricking Black folk
I suspect that you know nothing about Berserk.
im gonna make you hurt
>homosexuals turn kino into something gay
this is like the greek myths all over again
Griffith literally fricks a dude in the first arc
to save his men having to die ironically
He's only gay for pay
>Griffith is the straightest man I have ever met
he cute
yes but if gut's hadn't left he never would've, and no im not saying it's gut's fault
nah, Miura even made a point of this by showing that the King would never have let Griffith have his daughter and become a royal. one way or another, Griffith's dream would become impossible and he would be forced into a position where he could sacrifice what he loved to achieve it or die.
better question is how will he die?
>my thoughts exactly
t. read Miura's moe drivel
>>my thoughts exactly
Yes, he got his butt fricked so many times so that he could afford an army. That's not very kingly behavior.
manga bros, im at the arc just past the horse rape with lady farnese and Mozgus. how are the later arcs? I feel like nothing is going to compare to the build up to the eclipse and its difficult to read for long periods
Keep reading. Redditors will say it goes to shit as soon as Shierke, but Berserk doesn't really fall apart until they get on the boat.
thanks anons
i wouldnt call it boredom necessarily. I was lucky enough to never have anything spoiled and went into reading this completely blind. the eclipse was a complete shock to me and ended up being the best manga experience Ive had
Yeah. Nothing will top the eclipse.
Read shigurui. Anime is ultimate kino as well
It really just gets better all the way. Falconia is kino.
Guts' storyline gets progressively slower and more boring while Griffith's has a bunch of shit going on.
>Guts' storyline gets progressively slower and more boring while Griffith's has a bunch of shit going on.
>I feel like nothing is going to compare to the build up to the eclipse
This is true. If you were bored by the Lost Children and Conviction, you probably won't care for anything else that comes later either (and you have shit taste).
prepare your anus
starting to understand why my monster hunter friends made berserk jokes often
Conviction arc is fricking awesome, you're in for a treat.
god i wish that was me
Dropped it half way through Millenium Empire arc because it had been dragging on way too long fricking around on stupid boats and shit. Golden Age/Black Swordsman are the best ones Conviction is alright.
There's some incredible torture porn and foot kino
Idol Master and its consequences have been a disaster for the human race.
tranime
Wrong board
go back to rebbit
He was clearly a sociopath and used his friends as stepping stones for his own personal greed. He also didn't feel bad about it afterward either.
Talking to an uncaring god can do that, specially when it tells you nothing really matters it's all a play
if he didn't sacrifice his friends it would have all been for nothing
/thread
Exactly. Nothing can go against fate. The truth is, the game was rigged from the start.
Why do women ship guts and him
If Guts doesn't give this b***h the Farnese Special with his Dragon Slayer...
Guts has a special disdain for child abuse, anon.
Not to Demon children..
Actually, Guts hesitated to kill her on at least two separate occasions when he had the opportunity to do so, and it's implied that it's because of his pity for her. He's a big softy, really.
all of the mercenaries in his band were willing to die for him (because he was chad), and that's exactly what they did.
homies with no real purpose will never understand making such a decision
grow the frick up
real homies set out their own purposes in life instead of being the sub bottom to eldritch causation entity
filthy dyel twink sympathiser
No more tears bros..
Didn't the same studio the animated this also animate pokemon? If so, weird choice, but st somehow works.
Both shows were in development at the same time so it's not like they were known as the "pokemon studio" yet.
The '97 Berserk anime really was kino, wasn't it.
I just wish they included Skull Knight at the end, otherwise the anime ending makes zero sense.
i really need to watch it sometime. some madlad uploaded the entire thing to youtube
Is this the one with the fricking troll music during the eclipse?
Nvm that was the full series video that cut the intros and credits.
link?
>05:02:30
Haven’t seen either of the anime series but god damn the Wounds chapters are so fricking kino.
>source material is kino
>put your grasses on
>HAAAIIIIIYO FOOOOOR CES
The '97 is okay, pretty low budget in terms of animation iirc.
The OST was at least
It was... like a... truck...
BERSERKER
it's there gigachad equivalent
no matter what you think about his other actions, raping casca and rubbing it in guts’ face was not ok
>literally begging for Griffith's wiener for the entire series, and when she finally gets it, she cries "rape"
Women.
she stopped liking him a while ago. regardless, intentionally having violent demon sex with another guys gf in order to traumatize them both, not to mention that (not sure if you know this) rape is bad
you had me up until
>rape is bad
if you cant agree with this them im not arguing with you, Black person
Griffith raping casca also serves to poison the fetus inside of her which ultimately leads to Griffith bring reborn in the material plane during the conviction arc
the first rule of seizing power is to rape brown girls
true, probably the only thing he did wrong
Filtered.
He knew that he needed the rape baby so he could reincarnate on the physical world, so he obligued the casuality meme.
Rubbing in it on guts face was just an added bonus
Everybody in this thread would've done the same thing, anybody who denies it is lying
this, no one wants to live as crippled mute eunuch with no dreams when they can become a god and have their goals achieved
why do people keep saying griffith's dick got cut off, nowhere does it say thats the case
Because it wouldn't make any sense for him to still have it after being at the mercy of such a sadistic torturer for so long, not to mention the fact that his dick was what got him into that mess to begin with. I'd estimate that the penis came off in the first few days.
I thought he got castrated during his torture but I could be wrong.
Wouldn’t make sense for them to let him keep it, honestly embracing my inner coomer and making the eclipse deal just to get my penis back
Context for this?
After having experienced femto's foot long schlong, Caska is repulsed at the mere sight of tiny dick Guts.
No. In fact guts were more morally abhorrent
Guts has one of the worst lives in all of fiction. He has an excuse why he’s the way that he is.
Jesus had it worse yet he kept his morality. This was in real life as well
Jesus didn’t have it worse than either of those two homosexuals
Reminder he and guts have been molested by men
Guts was actually raped. Griffith prostituted himself and then boo hoo’s about it in the river.
Guts had a hard life.
they both did
Yo is someone gonna wrap up the Manga or is it gonna be unfinished forever?
>he doesn’t know
Some dude apparently knows the broad strokes of the ending, Miura's studio is going to work with him to finish the manga
Hopefully he kills Isidoro off.
Not my monkey boy please
He did, but he can redeem himself
how
he can frick off and permanently die for starters
i mean he has to die regardless but fricking off and dying seems a bit easy
I reckon he's gonna realize that he's a pawn of void like the other godhands and will one day be replaced and will find some way to help redeem the nightmare he has created upon the world, who the frick knows how this is gonna end, i just hope they can somehow end this grim story on a happy note.
yes but i understand him
There was no incentive to be good metaphysically speaking in the Berserk universe.
No, griffith was a psycho narcisist. Just look at shit like the torture chambers he instated. If anything, the "best" outcome for the berserk universe would be for Ganeshka to win the war and make the apostles and the god hand go frick themselves.
>Just look at shit like the torture chambers he instated
what? if you're referring to the church they already were doing that shit way before Griffith.
>things would be better if Indian rape apostles took over the continent
Black person, Ganeshka makes eclipse look almost kind
I really wish he'd rewritten the first few chapters. Guts and Griffith's personality just doesn't match up. Griffith taunting guts and being your regular bad guy and Guts fricking a demon in the first panel is just out of character.
>Guts fricking a demon in the first panel is just out of character
No it's not. In fact it's retroactive genius because it shows that Guts is losing his humanity and willing to literally sleep with the enemy to get his revenge.
The earliest chapters are a little bit weird, but I actually like it that way. It adds character to the story. If the whole thing was just totally consistent, it wouldn't feel organic to me.
pretending he wanted a friend and flipping out when guts takes him too seriously
Berserk rules. The movies and the CG series suck dick. Manga is still the best but it does eventually become shit like all good things
The movies really weren't that bad, they just rushed a lot of things. The series however..
The movies fricking stink because it's too condensed and they have these god awful transitions where the characters go from being 2D characters into ugly 3D models with clunky as shit animation that does nothing to improve the experience of watching it. Pick a style and stick with it instead of going the cheap route of poorly combining the two. Plus a long story like Berserk cannot work under the restrictions of a feature length film or even multiple films.
Not to mention that they turn Caska's rape into a fricking porno.
Even the sex scene with Guts went into a bit of H territory lol am I right that the studio used to hentai productions?
I love looking at those old school hand painted backgrounds. Some of them almost look like watercolor, but I think they used Acrylic.
Movies were fine
He got his happy ending. I'm happy for him.
anyone who wouldn't have done what he did clearly is not a man of any kind of aspiration
GUYS RECOMMEND ME 10 GOOD ANIME
When does it turn to shit, if at all? Does it just get a quality drop or does it become actually shit. I’m on lost children arc
it never turns to shit but the quality drops
When
Not him but I'd argue it's pretty much as soon as fantasia begins. That's way, way past Lost Children. People forget how good the fight with Ganishka was.
the first quality drop is when the meet the witches and the second (massive) one is the beginning of the fantasia arc
Like the last 5 chapters or so. Even then it's still decent.
nah homie
he tried to cripple-rape casca and failed
he had no dick
if miura had to die and leave berserk unfinished, the ending we have now is pretty kino.
the calm before the storm that will bring everything to an end.
Honestly I'm kind of happy with what we have now and wish it was just over. I have a lot of worries over its continuation and honestly I feel Miura gave us more than enough and out of respect for him it should just be done. The new chapters and ending will never feel right and it will always have the scapegoat of 'it wasn't miura...' during all future discussions of the manga which puts a bit of a damper on it.
I don't want to insult Miura's friend and his proteges but still...
Yeah. He thinks he's in charge. Void told him everything he wanted to hear. Falconia is doomed to fall and everyone there will another sacrifice.
If you follow the story you will realize he in fact did nothing wrong. His soldiers will have died in war anyway.The countless soldiers who already died before are not different from the present ones. Plus Griffith is the manifestation of the desire of the people to want a saviour.
>farts loudly
i was into you, but i'm over it now
BAZINGA